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A bad joke, but that's not the point. The real point is you trying to 'joke' your way through the game doing absolutely nothing useful. Jokes are great when you also contribute, but you haven't and don't seem to want to.In post 226, CloudKicker wrote:136 was an obvious joke, stop taking everything so literally
I don't use or care about meta. Every good player can and does change their meta to help win games for their alignment. Meta is for either those naive enough to assume people are robots who never change their play/get better, or those policy lynchbait players that don't know how to change. I doubt you're either of those two, so don't bother. You're in this game currently, so I'll judge my reads off of that. They could change, but you are currently my top scum read.In post 241, CloudKicker wrote:I never claimed vi, titus did and its her read on myself not mine. This is my townplay, when im scum i dont aggro the attention of the whole town just to do my show, i can give you 2 game on site that demonstrate that meta.
Wrong IMO. Motivation is always simple for scum: don't get lynched, get town lynched. That's it. Everything after that is pointless conjecture. Actions are the process of following win con for both alignments (and third party). Actions are everything. Motivation is a red herring.In post 246, CloudKicker wrote:People are really innaccurate on average on this site and this is one of those reasons, actions are NAI, intention/motivation are AI
Actually, I didn't say you're not good? I said I don't think you're bad, so you could easily manipulate meta to work for you rather than against. Meta is an easy defense to scummy play that isn't easily countered. It's not good for town to need meta as a defense, but scum absolutely love it. I will say that if you are always looked at as the VI when town, what causes that, and why don't you switch it up? Maybe you purposely act that way as scum to give a good meta cover? Who knows? Youre basically telling me that I'm giving you too much credit here? I think you're much smarter than you've let on.In post 249, CloudKicker wrote:Its funny, you say that im not a good game so therefore my meta wouldnt change, but you refuse to consider meta to read me.
Why is Lapsa obvious town? Obvious? Really? Guess I missed that boat. Please explain why he's town and what makes it so obvious. I find Lapsa scummy, and he has a wagon currently, so you'll have to explain to everyone what the obvious part is they're all missing (unless you think Lapsa's wagon is all scum).In post 133, CloudKicker wrote:No hes not, he voted obvious town and you say someone fosing obvious town is null because lack of content beep beepIn post 102, Titus wrote:He's null. Too early.In post 101, Alisae wrote:Titus why do you think Gamma is not a BFF?
Lapsa is obvious town, sonia didnt say hi so ill go and say that its not towny, titus had 2 bad posts, tra
This is why I moved to Seattle. I haven't seen snow in two years, and I moved two years ago. Coincidence? Wish I could've flown home for the Cubs parade though.In post 258, Cabd wrote:Fuck Chicago winter.
I'm back and thawing out.
Nero; by "buffer" you mean on what wagon?
I'm wondering why. I TR you for evaluating the game though. That's far more than some have done.In post 265, Nero Cain wrote:What do you think of me town reading Lapsa?
Can say this about literally any D1 wagon. Why is Lapsa probable town (or obvious town according to Cloud) than probable scum? Do the players on Lapsa's wagon look scummier? Are there any specific posts by Lapsa that give town vibes? Is there anything to look at, be it a string of posts, a vibe, whatever that gives you a 'Lapsa is town' impression rather than just 'this wagon got big too fast, must be scum driven?' Im seriously wondering what it is that makes you all think Lapsa is town. I'll let cloud explain the 'obvious' wording, since he said it. I just want to know why that is the read you came away with, regardless of it being a gut feeling or due to the players on the wagon. What created that TR on Lapsa?In post 271, Nero Cain wrote:I think the Lapsa wagon was shit and wouldn't be surprised to see scum on it.
Proving what? That I was at work? Really? So it wasn't a joke post? Lol wow, okay then.
In post 87, Tywin Lannister wrote:At work so can't post or read anything yet, but confirming. VOTE: Alisae cuz hi! And OMGUS!.
Will read/post at my lunch break
That's what my OP and then Lapsa's question immediately came after it. I assumed that's what it was for, but if it is about Alisae (why didn't he state that? English not his primary language?) not being an alt, then... I don't know aside from playing in a recently finished Newbie game with her, and she seemed to be brand new by the questions, hangups about words/accronyms like 'OMGUS, chainsaw defense, WIFOM, etc) thinking they were scummy buzzwords, and her general demeanor in her first game. I also brought up that she was an alt in that game for seeing Alisea (not Alisae) in the newbie Q. A player looked it up and confirmed both were brand new alts, and she was a new player.In post 88, Lapsa wrote:@Tywin do you mind proving this?
Doubt casting? I can doubt your read while not calling it AI. I also legitimately don't understand it. You are calling a scummy player town due to non-association with the players voting him. How is that a read? That ignores everything Lapsa does in favor of what someone else has done independent of him instead.In post 286, Nero Cain wrote:Are you reading anything that I'm saying?In post 280, Tywin Lannister wrote:Can say this about literally any D1 wagon. Why is Lapsa probable town (or obvious town according to Cloud) than probable scum? Do the players on Lapsa's wagon look scummier? Are there any specific posts by Lapsa that give town vibes? Is there anything to look at, be it a string of posts, a vibe, whatever that gives you a 'Lapsa is town' impression rather than just 'this wagon got big too fast, must be scum driven?' Im seriously wondering what it is that makes you all think Lapsa is town. I'll let cloud explain the 'obvious' wording, since he said it. I just want to know why that is the read you came away with, regardless of it being a gut feeling or due to the players on the wagon. What created that TR on Lapsa?In post 271, Nero Cain wrote:I think the Lapsa wagon was shit and wouldn't be surprised to see scum on it.
I don't think that any of the Lapsa votes were any good and while yes, itcouldbe all really bad town that voted Lapsa but its myOPINIONthat they were scummy votes and thus there's likely scum in there and that's just what scum hunting is. Also Titus is ignoring the fuck out of me like she does as scum.
I don't really like this doubt casting on my reads. Why are you trying so hard to keep Lapsa lynchable but aren't even voting him?
Agree with Elibirn. Answer his questions Lil Uzi. It's only fair.In post 292, Elbirn wrote:Yeah, nah. You don't get to keep your rvs vote on me, not explain why, and then instead of talking about why you think I'm scum go off on a tangent about alisae instead. Tell the good people of this thread why I'm scumIn post 285, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:Well, feels like my vote is in the right place. I do agree with the town read on Alisae though and I'm sure a quick meta dive can confirm how she's been described for those who do TR her. I also like when she posts more seriously, it's attractive. Her questions and reads feel like they're coming from town.
Square up, you bout to catch these blessed hands
Gladiate: Lil Uzi Vert
Way to read my mind as I post about Eliburn and Lil Uzi lol.In post 299, Alisae wrote:Tywin do YOU think Titus is scum? Also what do you think currently of Elbrin and Uzi?
Uzi
I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt for the moment. I'll let him answer. I've missed questions before as town (missed yours a few times last game), so it's entirely possible he missed them. I don't think he can miss it now, so next post or two from him should give a better read.In post 310, Titus wrote:Then why are you treating Uzi with kid gloves?
Stop posting useless fluff and contribute.
Titus is not town.In post 426, Alisae wrote:The reason here Titus is interacting with me. Titus is evaulating me as scum. Titus is scum hunting. Titus is doing town things. Thus she gets my read as town.In post 423, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The reason she gives for her intial SR on you, Titus, looks bad. She said you haven't been evaluating the game I think, but the shift to a TR looks like it could be defensive.
Why would I care if she's interacting with you? You could be her scum buddy. Titus is calling me scum, not you. So in calling me scum, she needs to ask me questions, not you. And now that you chainsaw HARD for Titus, I question if maybe you two are buddies. It surely isn't a townie move to not let her answer her own questions, let alone letting the focus go off of her.In post 426, Alisae wrote:The reason here Titus is interacting with me. Titus is evaulating me as scum. Titus is scum hunting. Titus is doing town things. Thus she gets my read as town.In post 423, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The reason she gives for her intial SR on you, Titus, looks bad. She said you haven't been evaluating the game I think, but the shift to a TR looks like it could be defensive.
Townies (why only townies? Scum too) don't like walls because they don't like reading. This is a game about reading and intuition, so not liking it is an oxymoron. Don't play Mafia is you can't handle basic functions like reading and writing. This isn't charades.In post 430, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:But you see how an outsider could also see scum!Alisae is being pushed by town!Titus and decides to attempt to divert Titus by giving her a TR?
Is there a particular reason you think townies don't like wall posts, or was it arbitrary/intuition?
pedit:AI means alignment indicative btw, not just alignment. Saw it used to mean just alignment in an earlier post too I think so pointing it out now.
Also you're blowing up the gladiator claim. Check the wiki, it's a possible role in this setup even though it's not an explicitly normal role. Titus claiming it's a regular role is NAI. I don't think Titus's moonbrain would take the claim seriously until she saw the mod confirm it, at least mine wouldn't![]()
As far as I can tell Titus isn't lying
Then I misread it. My bad. I assumed it was directed toward me due to the wording and my post being quoted.In post 433, Alisae wrote:Why do you think the read was directed towards you? Becuase it wasn't.In post 431, Tywin Lannister wrote:Why would I care if she's interacting with you? You could be her scum buddy. Titus is calling me scum, not you. So in calling me scum, she needs to ask me questions, not you. And now that you chainsaw HARD for Titus, I question if maybe you two are buddies. It surely isn't a townie move to not let her answer her own questions, let alone letting the focus go off of her.In post 426, Alisae wrote:The reason here Titus is interacting with me. Titus is evaulating me as scum. Titus is scum hunting. Titus is doing town things. Thus she gets my read as town.In post 423, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:The reason she gives for her intial SR on you, Titus, looks bad. She said you haven't been evaluating the game I think, but the shift to a TR looks like it could be defensive.
I stand corrected, but the context was about Uzi's vote (or non-removal after RVS) on Elibirn not being explained. I didn't see anyone in-thread support Elibirn's legitimate gripe, so I added my weight behind it. Apparently, that makes me scum according to Titus/Sonia. I don't understand how, but I'll accept it as a reason, however badly contrived it may be. Uzi didn't even give that to Elibirn at the time, so I believed it needed to be addressed. It still isn't satisfactory IMO, but it is A reason. Again, reasons should always be given. Alisae didn't give one for voting me. I believe that needs to be addressed as well.In post 443, Lapsa wrote:In post 427, Tywin Lannister wrote:I haven't seen anyone else pressure Uzi.
I'm still catching up, but I just noticed this. What 'evidence' did you post to prove I somehow lied?In post 615, Titus wrote:Anyone who makes up what I said and when confronted with evidence it's not true doesn't back down.In post 608, Cabd wrote:You and I have very different definitions of a lair, Titus. Can you lay out why exactly you feel Tywin should be a major scum read of mine? As for Alisae; not discussing it right now; you don't see it.
VOTE: AJ
Not on this page yet, but will get to it soon. The problem with calling someone a liar is you better be damn sure you can prove it, and you haven't, because I didn't. Also, don't post something as 'proof' that just so happens to be far after the fact and later than your continual posts calling me a liar. Nice misrepresentation, again. Scummy as fuck. You def aren't town. If you were, you'd read the game and use real logic instead of continuously pushing a mislynch on the person who calls you out.
Lol you sound like me. This game is moving extremely fast. 38 pages on Day 1 is a lot. I mean, I was halfway caught up last night before I had to leave for my work's holiday party, and i think I stopped somewhere between page 23-26 to respond to Titus' continuous claim that I lied (I didn't). Regardless, I left for the party and come back on today and it's now 12 more pages. Considering how most players don't like reading anything longer than a sentence, I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of them skip it all together and either quit or just go to the last page and post whatever. I'll read it all and catch up, but I have no such hopes that everyone will.In post 938, Cabd wrote:Game is dead for almost half the day now. Lurkers have no excuse to not be caught up. Come on, hop in and DO SHIT.
Being paranoid is fine, but it isn't when you specifically name two players as scum and ignore absolutely everyone else in the game. When I eventually flip town (and I WILL get lynched this game, because half the game is full of teenagers that don't know what they're doing, call things that aren't scummy as being scummy, and write 39 pages of almost completely useless content that frankly is annoying af), what will you do? If Alisae also flipped town, you'd be down two townies with absolutely zero reads. The few reads you did claim just now are at the very least half-wrong, so if both players are town, you're awful at this. Just saying.In post 951, Aj The Epic wrote:"Can't get a good read" isn't true. I'm just a paranoid player and therefore don't like to have a townlist I don't trust.Tywin Lannister wrote:AJ picks the easiest players to call scum here. That's not a real analysis. He simply went with the two players most won't disagree with in a way that requires explaining. AJ hasn't done anything all game as far as I've seen, unless I missed something between the last 12 pages (will catch up soon regardless). The guy is skating by and is half-hearting these bs reads.
AJ: why am I scum? Why is Alisae scum? Why do you have two scum reads, but can't seem to get reads on more than half the game? Please explain all the reads you half heartedly slapped together.
I've discussed Alisae and you for scum. Until you respond there, I'm of no need to do your busy work. You either read it or you don't.
Furthermore it's completely on you not to be an 'easy target', aka someone who can be easily scum read. Alisae isn't necessarily that either, as certainly there's not exactly popularity for her lynch before I started discussing it. One vote on, from Nos in RVS. At peak, 3 votes on.
P-edit: Gamma's more suspect for what he HAS said, those 2 just haven't said much.
+1. Thank you for recognizing this. I say it every game it seems, but meta is used way too much as reasons for votes in mafiascum. They're usually bad reasons.In post 842, Cabd wrote:Speaking as somebody who lived the life of a meta player for years: meta is only valid if the person in question does not know their tells. If a person is aware of their meta, it's useless.
+1In post 912, Lapsa wrote:FYI: Titus is scum.
It already launched a while ago?In post 1004, Gamma Emerald wrote:I'm getting the NES Classic the morning it launches.
+1
I like this list, minus me on the scum side. I also don't think Lapsa is scum. He's been pushing for Titus all game, and his early wagon was definitely scum fueled IMO.In post 922, mozamis wrote:OK, caught up.
Town: Me, Sonia, Cloud.
Pro town: SSBm, Elibirn, Pine
Null: Cabd, AJ, Uzi, Nero, Gamma, Transcend, Nosferatu
Pos scum: Twin, Lapsa, Alisea
Scum: Titus.
I can definitely see it, albeit it being pretty improbable due to just straight bad play. Alisae would be extreme newbscum in that scenerio though, and Titus sure hasn't called her out for the blatant buddying. It's really bad, and any suspicious townie would call it out. Honestly, if I wasn't so sure Titus was scum, I'd just straight call Alisae scum and vote there. Buddying that bad on D1 isn't town play.In post 1048, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:Do you see Titus and Alisae as scum together and does Alisae's behavior affect your read on Titus at all? Can you explain why Nero is so high on your list?In post 1036, Tywin Lannister wrote:Town: Cabd, SSBM, Cloud, Nero
Pro Town: Elibirn (see Uzi below), Sonia, mozamis, Lapsa
Null: Transcend, Gamma, AJ, Pine
Pro scum: Alisae, Nosferatu, Uzi (Uzi or Elibirn could change sides based on the flip of the other)
Scum: Titus
Honestly? The lack of connections to my top scum reads in Titus/Alisae, plus a general townie vibe I've gotten from you after I originally voted. I just don't see you as scum now.In post 1064, CloudKicker wrote:Changing reads is fine, i was just wondering what made you changeIn post 1062, Tywin Lannister wrote:I change reads when I get more info Cloud. You were my first non-RVS vote. Am I not allowed to reevaluate?
Think I addressed this, but since you didn't read:In post 1074, Alisae wrote:Actually, asking you this. What will you do if Titus flips town?In post 1050, Tywin Lannister wrote:@Alisae: what will you do if Titus flips scum? Your entire game will be flipped upside down. Why in the world would you be so sure of anyone on D1? That's ridiculous.