Balto the Invitational - Game Over

[Nuwen]

hi

[Nuwen]

I want to go to the beach.

Reck's scumread on Fate is pretty forced. His scumread on the new guy over botched vote tags p worse.

[Nuwen]

FATE AND NUWEN WALK INTO A THREAD

NUWEN GETS NINJA'D 3 TIMES BEFORE TYPING A SENTENCE

[Nuwen]

I want to go to the beach.

His scumread on the new guy over botched vote tags p worse.

Really? that was a p town position to take

Why is town more likely to call a joke scummy?

Because uh

VOTE: VOTE:
Did i vote right? #virgin

This is pretty obviously a cute joke about being unsure how to operate, break the ice, etc. Reck calling LIECAUGHTYOU seems bad. The best argument for town Reck is that his lazy scum ass wouldn't bother isoing someone, but that's a poor behavioral prediction and there's no way to test it.

[Nuwen]

You have to let me coast while I catch scum for you, that's the deal.

[Nuwen]

Matt. Sthap.

[Nuwen]

VOTE: Beethoven
@mod: I assume my dayvigs got lost in the mail?

Hey get back here and say soulful stuff. What's with the Beethoven vote?

[Nuwen]

Matt is smart enough to recognize that Trollie is a bad D1 lynch following the unlyncher claim w/ Trollie as target. We get nothing from a claim test -> clusterfuck night phase. That's not waffling, that's ~

learning

.~

[Nuwen]

Matt vs. Triforce looks like pretty proactive town on either side.

Heeeey

Spoiler:

Light Scum:
ActionDan - I don't like the dissonance of his insistence to nameclaim with his unlyncher on Trollie. One of those is clearly bullshit, which makes me tend toward him being scum. I'm having trouble seeing the scum benefit of him claiming unlyncher though. PEdit: AD's most recent post might bump him to null. Meh.
Beethoven - I didn't like his quick hop of the reck wagon, especially with his exaggerated reasoning. He's not being very helpful with his Fate vote either, yelling at people to get on without any reasoning. I feel like it looks like he's doing stuff, when he's really not.

Null:
ChannelDelibird - hasn't really posted enough for me to get a read
Cogito Ergo Sum - same as above
Fate - I think the bulletproof claim is ignorable. I have always have trouble going through his posts to get a read because caps are harsh.

Light Town:
Amrun - I don't think she'd bother to check all that often as scum on a V/LA, and if she did she'd make it a point to be slightly more content heavy.
BBmolla - I never believe any day 1 claim from BB. His posts on trollie seem genuine.
DrippingGoofball - Isn't afraid to post a shotgun of reads, which is easy to be questioned about later if they change. I would like reasoning on some of these though.
Grimmjow - I kind of agree with reck's "posting grimm is town grimm"

Town:
Frequency - New players as scum tend not to make "i don't know what the hell i'm doing" jokes like the one he did.

off to eat; other people later. probably tomorrow as I'm at AX.
Gammagooey
Iecerint
MattP
Nuwen
TheTrollie
Triforce
xRECKONERx


Spoiler: I'll probably be on the trollie wagon.

This list is alphabetically ordered and doesn't include anything about Reck, who was probably the MOST prolific poster up to the moment this post was made. Inclined to think this post was composed as filler content.

[Nuwen]

you guys

vote axxle

[Nuwen]

An alphabetically-ordered list means he started the post with the approach "hey, I'm gonna produce some content here." He gives us the impression of having reads (TO BE CONTINUED when gamestate is more poppin', right?) rather than actually reading people in the game. This doesn't have to be scum, it can be lazy town expecting to shrug through D1 screamfest.

Yes, a lot of people do the same thing to megadump a full game of reads because copy/pasting is convenient way to order thoughts.

I agree that Icerint is the next-scummiest player in the game, and that Triforce is overly acidic today. When you have a gun just STFU, use it, and don't make a shitstorm in the thread because you can't control the day phase kill too.

STOPERVJEG2 OMG THE NIUINJA

[Nuwen]

@DGB: Why do you say you are willing to hammer but are not willing to bring me to L-1?

Here is why. Your post #635 was uber-scummy.

VOTE: Axxle

What makes #635 scummy?

Is it possible to read Axxle as a town player who got caught up at a bad life time? If not, why not?

[Nuwen]

Vote Icerint

[Nuwen]

i honestly can't tell if actiondan is being serious with the scum-context-thing post because it's just so completely wrong.

i'm just gonna do this for now because my only reason to not do this is that iec has a lot of posts and i think that that's unusual for iec-scum but also a silly reason to not vote him

Vote:Iecerint

I don't like Icerint's position/reaction to Axxle's wagon in retrospect. My read comes from pretty deep gut, but if I had to pick a post it'd be this one:

He's not, he's at L-2.

Reck is encouraging people to go the extra mile and make it L-1. Idk I think L-2 is fine.

He is at L-2 for making a terrible post that was separately identified as terrible by like 3 separate microgames.

Those of you who weren't lucky enough to join the Axxle wagon should go make something else happen while we wait for Axxle to finish flying around or whatever.

The language used to encourage Axxle's lynch? Axxle was off Icerint's radar entirely until he became the lynch candidate? Explanation fails me now but we'll come back when brain is working better.


Axxle (9) -

Fate, xRECKONERx

, Iecerint,

Nuwen,

Beethoven, BBmolla,

Gammagooey, DrippingGoofball, MattP

Letting Fate & Reck read each other until kills sort them out.

Gamma throwing pretty town vibes.

Mattp's slot is another shoulder shrug. I think his read on Trollie is supported by conviction.

BBmolla could be worth a lynch. I can't read his tone sometimes so I don't know if this post is a joke or serious softclaim, but I'm sure it'll matter eventually.

Okay vote me, just let me use my super important ability before the hammer.

Beethoven's leaning on night kill divination pretty hard, but ActionDan's reaction was pretty gross. The countup post is probably worth a lynch as well. We'll talk more later.

[Nuwen]

Inscrutable CES is about par for the course.

[Nuwen]

Prodding Kublai Khan

I know this game is a clusterfuck, but in your next post can you provide

two or three

sentences about each player so far. You don't need to quote things or be completionist about it, just tell us how you're reading each slot in the game.

For example, I'm reading your slot as a giant -----.

Talk to me about something that' not ActionDan.

[Nuwen]

Hey I'm voting Icerint. Why are you voting Icerint? Can't be a hipster with you squares gunking my jibe.

[Nuwen]

We're here. Did not realize I'd gone so long without posting. I actually signed in to post yesterday and didn't have anything interesting to say.

@Gamma: Why is KK's lurking worse than CES/CDB/whatever?
@Triforce: Why have you been ignoring Iecerint all day?

At this point I would lynch

AD, Trollie, and Fate.
Would also lynch Nuwen or Triforce potentially.

The bolded is lazy and the italics are just busywork/loaded questions.

you wanna dance

[Nuwen]

I usually read Reck's OMGUS reactions as lazy town. Fits with his un-solidified reads on the last few pages.

Basically, he doesn't know where to focus his attention so the most obvious thing is to fight with the guy who thinks he's scummy. The vague threats and stuff are just his way of showing us clout.

shrug

[Nuwen]

I read that post thoroughly and still don't understand your read. If you want to call me scum, you should have gone for the "spearheaded Axxle, then waited for an open wagon window" angle.

I agree that KK's reads are boring. Triforce is currently VOTING FOR RECK and in KK-land the wagon on Amrun consists of ALL TOWNISH shit voting for another town player (but this hasn't been worth a mention). One of his scum reads (Molla, miller-scum) is the tail vote on Amrun. His focus remains on the stuff we're already talking about.

meh

I get the feeling from today's pace and the start/stop catchup that we're going to end up with another mediocre lynch today. This one might be it!

[Nuwen]

I usually read Reck's OMGUS reactions as lazy scum. Fits with his un-solidified reads on the last few pages.

Basically, he doesn't know where to focus his attention so the most obvious thing is to fight with the guy who thinks he's scummy. The vague threats and stuff are just his way of showing us clout.

shrug

I changed one word in your post. Can you find the difference? Hint: The post still reads basically the exact same.

Reck's idea of "lazy scum" is to create a sitcom special within the thread or self-implode. He just doesn't know what to do right now, and he's being obvious about it. When I read Reck scum, he's trying to be in full control of his own behavior or is writing a stageplay script. Passivity is a symptom of apathy. Is Reck more likely to be visibly apathetic as town? As scum? What does he have to gain from drawing attention to himself in this way as scum?

Here's a question:

Why am I pausing to give you this detailed and nuanced read of Reck's recent behavior today. What motivations could power my posting?

Am I scum WITH Reckoner? Am I scum picking a random townie to defend? For what end? Reck is a useless, lazy sack of shit this game (like I just said). Doesn't sound like a powerful ally to me.

[Nuwen]

Nuwen what do you mean by sitcom special? Can you point to a game this happened in

You make a narrative, usually an angry one.

The curtain opens, enter a hunched-over man stage left.

At center stage he stands upright. The audience sees a tall, haggard drunk with a perfectly-proportioned head.

UHHHHHH I DON'T THINK SO I'M THE

GOD-DAMNED COP

AND MY REPLACEE DIDN'T SUBMIT AN ACTION NIGHT 1, THEN INVESTIGATED AN OBVIOUS TOWN PERSON NIGHT 2.

I think we should lynch DerpAFuck today guys. Who's with me? DerpAFuck only wants to lynch me because he knows it's the only path to victory.

Additionally, I haven't posted until this point because my Cat-Brakes Caught on Fire and needed to be replaced, so I took the weekend off to avoid doing that and post here instead. Now I'm going to drink because you're all IDIOTS and not listening to me!

[Nuwen]

Can we flash wagon on CES or CDB and see what comes out of the woodwork while their time zones slumber?

Because I really think these wagons on ActionDan/Trollie are so so so intellectually lazy and both town AND scum voting for them have missed rather important information. Lessee where those votes scatter to instead.

Truly, it's CES and CDB we should be worrying most about. They've both been been consistently voting for Trollie. CDB is double-plus gross for one of his early posts D2:

Why has such a good meet produced such a terrible game?

Town:

Molla, ActionDan, Gamma, Beethoven, MattP, Nuwen, Grimm

Scum:

Reck, Amrun, Trollie

Honestly I don't even know what the hell is going on here:

Triforce

Some town moments but have also been bothering me:

CES, Fate, Iecerint

Why isn't Reck - Reck, of all people - voting for anyone?

VOTE: Reck

See, he's reading ActionDan as town here. ActionDan has played shenanigans this game, but the #1 thing you should take away from ActionDan's ISO is that he thinks Trollie town. SO TOWN. So SUPER AWESOME TOWN, reppin' that shit since night 0. And Trollie isn't entertaining Dan wagons 'neither folks. Winkyfaceclub McJPG.

like I said, pretty lazy either alignment. The Trollie read is definitely bad. The fact that Amrun & Reck join CDB's scum reads probably means he's just cherry picking early in the game this size, with a plan for the long haul later?

CES will just continue to be inscrutable while providing us with daily teacake-sized truisms about the game. I expect someone will pipe up and say "I have a result on CES!" if he persists a few more days.

[Nuwen]

Why are you still voting for Trollie after reading my post in full.

[Nuwen]

But you can't just

say

that, you disingenuous scum-poodle.

[Nuwen]

But that was just a cute song and dance, don't be distracted by the dashing British acc-- ALL GLORY TO THE HYNOTOAD

unvote, vote Triforce

[Nuwen]

CES, what is your read on Nuwen?

+5 scum points. Her play has just generally been underwhelming and she seems to be unabashedly pushing some anti-town things, both things I definitely associate with her scum play.

What are some anti-town things that I have done?

What specific elements describe a not-underwhelming Nuwen game?

[Nuwen]

If I interpreted it incorrectly: What did you actually mean?

Her whole post explaining what my "stageplay" or "sitcom"-like scum meta is... the post was so convincingly me that I thought it was something I had actually posted before, turns out it was all made up, the end

now you're just being sarcastic.

[Nuwen]

I don't think ActionDan is scum and I'm reading Triforce as all over the place. Where does your town read come from, how solid is it?

[Nuwen]

Nuwen may I ask why, if you noticed actiondan repping Trollie as blah di blah, would you then go out of your way to call my reaction to Beethoven's pressure "gross", and then change your mind and say 'I don't think Actiondan is scum'?

Beethoven's leaning on night kill divination pretty hard, but ActionDan's reaction was pretty gross. The countup post is probably worth a lynch as well. We'll talk more later.

It's almost like Nuwen saw ActionDan do something scummy,

reread the game

, then came to a different conclusion with the full game in perspective.

Fate isn't scum. Your vote is poor.

[Nuwen]

CES, what is your read on Nuwen?

+5 scum points. Her play has just generally been underwhelming and she seems to be unabashedly pushing some anti-town things, both things I definitely associate with her scum play.

What are some anti-town things that I have done?

Out of your pushes (Axxle, Iece, me, CDB, Triforce) only one of those has a reasonable chance of being scum as I see it.

What specific elements describe a not-underwhelming Nuwen game?

Posts? Insight?

Icerint, CDB, Triforce are good places to apply pressure. Icerint is being read as town by most of the game, but sometimes it's difficult for me to see why. If Icerint is not scum, I think some of the people with 100% town reads on him are exaggerating small tells (Amrun, namely) because they know his alignment already.

You're welcome to point out the town things these slots have done so we can move on.

[Nuwen]

(4) I would lynch the fuck out of AD just because i cant read him and i dont trust his silly D1 bullshit

Heeeey there goes my working theory.

[Nuwen]

Nuwen, y u no answer my question

Should be p obvious

Icerint is scum but I recognize that people think he's town, so either have to convince a lot of people that they're wrong or sit on my read until something else happens. Being the one voter on an outlying wagon is useless and bad.

[Nuwen]

Nuwen: Well then why did you say that it looks like I (and others, but you didn't name them by name) know his alignment because my towntell on him is exaggerated, in your opinion? I took that to mean you think I am scum who knows he's town. Do you think we are scum together, then? Or am I misunderstanding that post entirely?

Asking yourself "what if I'm wrong" is not only how you become a better person, but also a better mafia player

[Nuwen]

We're really not concerned with looking town.

[Nuwen]

Fate's attitude towards me and method of attack is distinctly different than towards axxle. Compare.

flash Axxle wagon sounds HELLA enticing right now seeing as 3 townies agree on his horseshit list post

Unvote:
Vote: Axxle

What pinged my gut was his-and I've seen this about a hundred times-"I can't read fate he caps" shtick as a cop-out filler read on my slot


LETS DANCE

the case on Axxle is not flimsy at all Grimm, you just don't understand it

My case is that 3 townies (me, nuwen, gamma) agree that his list was a pile of scumhorseshit at an attempt at content

If you don't agree then you're just gonna be on my list of fuel

The operative word is "case". Fate formed reasons to lynch axxle based on content from axxle that a few other people also agreed was scummy.

Beethoven: 2

You are removing all context from her posts and ignoring that late game posts are more relevant than early game posts.

irrelevant. her context, her timing of interjections. irrelevant. scum only care about frequency of seeing their name come up. context don't matter at nighttime.

....

Wow this is complete pile of horseshit

Unvote:
Vote: ActionDan

Unvote:
Vote: ActionDan

I know Reck's retarded, but you have no reasont o be still voting KK other than being scum atm.

That doesn't exist here. Not only that but the auxiliary reason of Fate being happy to lynch axxle, that nuwen and gamma also were on board, isn't present here either.

His recent posts are attempts to fill this gap, but they are poor substitutes for a lack of reasoning earlier.

Fate still isn't scum. You should change your vote to something else. If we end up in a situation where it's either you or Fate, I will lynch you over Fate because a useless town read is worse than a not-useless town read.

[Nuwen]

unvote

Gamma, I think Triforce's non-cooperation and anger are symptoms of pride abused rather than scum at this point. I just don't see the scum play being so openly hostile D1 / uncooperative now.

I also think this fits more with the general ennui and massive split wagons today, which HAS to be caused by mostly AFK & apathetic town. Count it up: Matt, Trollie (maybe?), Fate isn't doing much outside of Dan, CDB is gone but might occupy a town slot, Triforce isn't doing much of anything, I'm not doing much of anything by voting Triforce, Gamma isn't doing a heck of a lot by voting Triforce, etc. That adds up to a lot. If CES turns out to be town too that's even more town clout not getting exercised. When you account for actively anti-town slots like Triforce (+town players occupied with lynching that slot, like Gamma) that's so much focus and power neutralized today.

Zdenek has given us a lot of insight into a slot we couldn't read firsthand. Beethoven's tone with that slot is pretty poor, especially because he's voting for ME while actively trying to discredit a lot of Zde's new perspective. Compare the depth of field behind some of Zd's read's vs. KK's for a replacement slot. All KK gets is

Holy crap KK's scumreads are basically identical to mine.

And Zde's reads get PbP chunked apart? Where's the scrutiny of KK's replacement perspective?

Or I could be, you know, wrong because a good third of this game has made it intentionally difficult to read their slots. Maybe we'll throw darts at avatars today for the lynch.

[Nuwen]

Moo

heeeeeeeey

[Nuwen]

VOTE: Gammagooey

3 sentences is all you get to explain yourself. ITTBWH

[Nuwen]

Seems bad. Your gut is bad. Gamma would be on broadway If he could fake the conviction -> mistake while tunneling thing on the last page. I think he thinks he's right about TRIFORCR

[Nuwen]

Nuwen why aren't you voting right now?

reasons

I'll probably sheep onto a compromise lynch that has the most town voting for it

[Nuwen]

I don't particularly think that either of you are scum at this point. At a push I would vote Trollie, but I would rather lynch Nuwen, who posts things like this:

Gamma, I think Triforce's non-cooperation and anger are symptoms of pride abused rather than scum at this point. I just don't see the scum play being so openly hostile D1 / uncooperative now.

When you want people to not kill you, the last thing you should do is be an asshole. If you honestly think anger and dickishness are part of Triforce's ULTIMATE SCUM PLAN, you should vote for them instead of trying to build a case against me.

But you're not

Because you're scum, and not enough people are interested in lynching Triforce to make that direction worth your while.

And a town player discussing an honest read with another obv-town player like Gamma is threatening? Mislynch options sliding through your fingers?

zzzzz on you all

[Nuwen]

"Anger and dickishness" has nothing to do with their D2 play at all, and I don't think it's that accurate re: their D1 play, either.

I probably used the wrong adjectives, especially "dickishness." That word reveals my feelings vs. being a neutral descriptor. It's my belief that singer went off the deep end with her scum read after I insulted the slot too, so whoopsadaisy. Have seen it happen before. The other 2 members of the hydra seem to have been ignoring her Nuwen read until the "I AIN'T GOT PERMISSION TO DO THIS Y'ALL" post.

Anger is still appropriate, other people noticed it too. I think it was Gamma who asked "why does every post that doesn't contain 'Buzz' sound angry."

Still not worth clamoring over yet.

~~~

I think Trollie should claim. I'll

vote Trollie

stick this here for VCA.

[Nuwen]

unvote

for claim before quickhammer.

Play this one out, scrubs. The best thing Trollie can do is absorb a NK while we do something PRODUCTIVE with the remainder of the day.

[Nuwen]

But that also means you should claim in your next post Trollie or everyone will kill you by policy

[Nuwen]

^Proof that anything I ask in this game people will do the opposite

Yeah, I know that's gotta be frustrating.

But if you haven't reread, why is it so important for Trollie to bite it w/o claim for an early nightphase? You have time. I have time. We all have the time.

[Nuwen]

Actually, no. Nuwen is fucking scum.

That was a shallow as balls response to matt that shows shes commenting w/o really comprehending the game.

Yeah, she's being lynched tomorrow.

(Or Today depending on the claim.)

I have 0 incentive to post and unvote as scum, instead of sit and wait until Trollie is lynched. I know you both aren't that bad.

It's pretty obvious that I don't think Trollie is scum and just don't want to lynch him if I can avoid it. You're welcome to explain/invent the scum motivation there.

[Nuwen]

Actually I'm down with a compromise lynch, but only because its a FLASH COMPROMISE

Unvote:
Vote: Nuwen

JHUEHUEHUAHUEHAUHUHAUHUAH

???

[Nuwen]

well see now you're confiremd town trollie.

how are you getting to this?

scum wouldn't neighborize two strong town players.

[Nuwen]

vote Nuwen

Stop.

[Nuwen]

I'm going to claim so you clowns don't waste your time.

I'm a nuanced one-shot cop. Not going into detail because it'll affect the way scum resolve their night actions. Still sitting on my ability and laying low. The plan was to avoid NKs with shrug-worthy day play and use my shot when PoE makes this game easier.

[Nuwen]

Good town don't sit until deadline so some random-ass compromise lynch goes through.

[Nuwen]

stop being bad fate

[Nuwen]

vote Nuwen

Hey we're all wondering why you SHEEPED the guy you voted for as scum with only nuwen a claim in between. If fates lies were indeed scummy, you would have recognized that as Trollope claimed BEFORE the nuwen wagon. Why would you make a big deal about secretely interogating him if all the information powering your read was already said.

Zz dragging us down not sure if lynch worthy.

[Nuwen]

Fake-claiming neighborizer in the neighbor QT sounds like a very Fate thing to do, especially if he turns out to be VT.

- Then he goes TROLOLOLOL I'M NOT THE NEIGHBORIZER after Trollie claims. I ask him to claim to me. He says no. He says he fakeclaimed because he wasn't sure if I was town or scum when we first started in the QT. However, he has since expressed that he is sure I'm town (in so many words), but is still refusing to claim.

THIS IS NOT WHAT TOWN PLAYERS WHO THINK THEY HAVE A MAKESHIFT MASONRY WITH ANOTHER TOWN PLAYER DO.

#3) Despite all of this, he has some valid points on Nuwen, and it's still pinging me, and I don't know how to react because he has lied/obscured the truth/gone back on so many things.

Why would you sheep Fate onto me after you already knew he was lying?

The "I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, SO MANY LIES" and "THE JAVA CAT ATE MY POST" sounds like scum Reck 100%. I know, because I posted as scum Reck.

[Nuwen]

Fake-claiming neighborizer in the neighbor QT sounds like a very Fate thing to do, especially if he turns out to be VT.

- Then he goes TROLOLOLOL I'M NOT THE NEIGHBORIZER after Trollie claims. I ask him to claim to me. He says no. He says he fakeclaimed because he wasn't sure if I was town or scum when we first started in the QT. However, he has since expressed that he is sure I'm town (in so many words), but is still refusing to claim.

THIS IS NOT WHAT TOWN PLAYERS WHO THINK THEY HAVE A MAKESHIFT MASONRY WITH ANOTHER TOWN PLAYER DO.

#3) Despite all of this, he has some valid points on Nuwen, and it's still pinging me, and I don't know how to react because he has lied/obscured the truth/gone back on so many things.

Why would you sheep Fate onto me after you already knew he was lying?

The "I DON'T KNOW WHAT TO DO, SO MANY LIES" and "THE JAVA CAT ATE MY POST" sounds like scum Reck 100%. I know, because I posted as scum Reck.

[Nuwen]

Cat did eat my post.

Fate is manufacturing lies and confusion all by his pretty little self. Which is 90% of the reason I want him dead, because it clears it up.

Except I just cleared his motivations up for you up there^ probably

[Nuwen]

Vote Reckoner

[Nuwen]

almost as much as your reads

[Nuwen]

Triforce has expressed an interest to flash wagon me several times. CES has expressed suspicion of me. Nuwen is going to try and bullshit her way through a last minute lynch on me. Don't do it, because I'm actually town.

This. Even though you're in our top five, Nuwen's vote has scumscumscum written all over it. There is literally no town motivation in trying to start new shit 26 (28?) hours from deadline.

OH MY GOD THE DEADLINE PANIC THE DEADLINE WE MUST ONLY VOTE FOR THESE 2 THINGS THE DEADLINE THE DEADLINE

[Nuwen]

Oh yuore voting nuwen now sweet.

Still retarded with the whole IM MAD U DUN CLAIM BRO because now that fucks any gambits we could've brewed because you outed everything to the thread

He OUTED everything to LYNCH you. The only reason he isn't now is because I started calling him scum instead, and you're still conveniently trying to kill me. Stop voting for me.

[Nuwen]

A Hermit Card from Shadow Hunters.

"Kill the claimed cop role" is a pile of horseshit. My role is exponentially more useful as the game continues. I expect DOCTORS and TRACKERS to target me, because I'm not going to be lynched by Fate's whim. His read his poor, and he hasn't demonstrated why I'm scum.

nuwen will be around to revote when she realizes nobody else is actually going to lynch reck today

accurate.

[Nuwen]

Because Nuwen has done legitimately scummy things. I have been scum before and claimed WAIT A SECOND GUYS GIVE ME ONE NIGHT TO SORT THIS SHIT OUT I HAVE AN ABILITY ETC ETC to buy myself some time and this reeks of the exact same thing.

That's because you flail about as scum and don't anticipate the way people will work.

I

HAD

to claim early at town here, knowing it would take a bit of posting and dialog to sort out quality town reactions vs. opportunistic scummy ones. I didn't wait until last minute so we're stuck lynching something lame, like Trollie. I think astute people will recognize this is the only town play I have in response to Fate + flash wagon.

Scum would have waited until

last minute

to claim, then used reactions like ActionDan's snapunvote to coast, like Reck's above.

Give me a list of the scummy things done by Nuwen.

[Nuwen]

I'm going to claim so you clowns don't waste your time.

I'm a nuanced one-shot cop. Not going into detail because it'll affect the way scum resolve their night actions. Still sitting on my ability and laying low. The plan was to avoid NKs with shrug-worthy day play and use my shot when PoE makes this game easier.

Hey, this is not equivalent to "Nuwen admitting to playing scummily."

I have actively defended my town reads and have been actively looking to pick up town reads on people, which is how you build a lynch pool/cop pool.

I said I was laying low, not chasing my scum reads during the day. I didn't want to poorly crumb in the FUTURE with passionate suspicions in case I eat an incidental nightkill, plus low key day play puts me low on the NK priority list.

Triforce is trying to twist this post by saying I am intentionally behaving like scum - that isn't accurate. I'm just not being as vocal as early, except where my town reads are threatened.

[Nuwen]

I HAD to claim early at town here,

Wait, then why are you posting in all caps about how the DL is meaningless to you when it CLEARLY affected your decision to claim?

There's a big difference between anticipating & working within limited time, and just screaming "DEADLINE IS CLOSE" as a tactic to stifle new topics.

[Nuwen]

Give me a list of the scummy things done by Nuwen.

1 Calling Dan scum and simultaneously attacking the people voting him (me, Iec)
2 Discouraging NK spec by implying Im scummy for it (esp considering DGBs only reference to you was to call you scum and you at least 3 partially agreed that Dan was scummy at the time which is what I was pushing)
3 Your Flop on reckoner which you still havent addressed
4 Complaining about the DL forcing you to claim and simulataneously saying anyone talking about hte DL is dumb in all caps
5 Admitting to being scummy intentionally (Ive done that shit as an IC in a newbie game as scum, trollol)

I 100% expect this to be addressed btw.

I expect you to link/quote examples of all the above and stop wasting my time.

1. When have I wanted to lynch Dan,

after

figuring out that he's town?

2. Where have I talked about the DGB being killed, except here:

Beethoven's leaning on night kill divination pretty hard, but ActionDan's reaction was pretty gross. The countup post is probably worth a lynch as well. We'll talk more later.

This post says "Beethoven is using the nightkill as his primary lead today, which I'll point out as noteworthy because there's a lot of

other stuff

going on in this game. The aside, ActionDan reacted in a way that makes me want to reread him. Let me go do that."

Reading this as "ACTIONDAN IS SCUM, BEETHOVEN IS DAH SKETHY 4 NK SPEC GUYS" is a sad reach.

3. Reck is being ALL KINDS of inconsistent with his jump to Fate. Do you not understand why it's scummy to

sheep

Fate while calling attention to the lying/weirdness of Fate's fakeclaim? Reck is riding both ends of a 1v1 storm. If that doesn't ping your scumdar, sit down. I do concede that I probably won't get him lynched, and his decision could also be the product of drugs/alcohol. Fate says it's a vendetta vote, which could be right too and allows Reck to be town. I'll be around to place a serious vote, obv.

4.

There's a big difference between anticipating & working within limited time, and just screaming "DEADLINE IS CLOSE" as a tactic to stifle new topics.

Stifling votes (like those on Reckoner) is good because it doesnt waste people's time with bullshit and spread dissonance when we could be consolidating onto actually viable scum wagons today.

Look at Triforce's post about deadline, dating back to

~3-4 days ago

. It's clear that slot is trying to make us feel crunched for time. Excuse me if it gives me the impression of Chicken Little.

5. Admitting to being scummy intentionally (Ive done that shit as an IC in a newbie game as scum, trollol)

I'm going to claim so you clowns don't waste your time.

I'm a nuanced one-shot cop. Not going into detail because it'll affect the way scum resolve their night actions. Still sitting on my ability and laying low. The plan was to avoid NKs with shrug-worthy day play and use my shot when PoE makes this game easier.

Hey, this is not equivalent to "Nuwen admitting to playing scummily."

I have actively defended my town reads and have been actively looking to pick up town reads on people, which is how you build a lynch pool/cop pool.

I said I was laying low, not chasing my scum reads during the day. I didn't want to poorly crumb in the FUTURE with passionate suspicions in case I eat an incidental nightkill, plus low key day play puts me low on the NK priority list.

Triforce is trying to twist this post by saying I am intentionally behaving like scum - that isn't accurate. I'm just not being as vocal as early, except where my town reads are threatened.

[Nuwen]

That just means Triforce is reading my posts with a lot of confirmation bias, I think. Confirmation bias is a town thing usually.

[Nuwen]

I'd help with Molla.

[Nuwen]

This type of threadplosion is A+ for reads. I am pleased.

vote bbmolla

I think Dan is scum, and I don't think that it is possible that he has anything that might confirm Nuwen as town as ANY alignment, unless it is an ability he used and not flavor "confirmation." He is implying the latter. This makes me slightly less interested in flipping Nuwen before Dan, but I already wanted to flip Dan first anyway.

Dan has effectively softclaimed one of the other types of Shadow Hunters cards (equipment, one of the d00ds: shadow, hunter, neutral) is what I'm reading. If he tries to claim something else I wouldn't buy it.

[Nuwen]

Unless Nuwen is his scumbuddy and did that to try and create strife because she's almost the only one who would be that crafty w/r/t the Reck/Fate dynamic.

As much as I enjoy people overestimating my foresight and intelligence...

This play is REALLY high risk with no/low reward for scum. I don't see it happening. Trollie, as scum, has

no reason

to give two town players an attempt to collaborate together and read each other. Town are strongest when they can PoE and trust other players, and weakest when they're limited to dayplay and solo paranoia.

Trollie's play is also supported by a lot of scattered town tells here and there, which I think the people casing him are ignoring.

[Nuwen]

Confirmable can mean a lot of stuff.

Where is it on a scale of "stuff happens" to "The mod descends and declares my slot an Innocent Child."

[Nuwen]

I think if you can become confirmed town it'll be incredibly valuable, because right now a lot of town are reading you as scum. Going from a serious lynch candidate to a necessary night kill is the final Charizard evolution of town.

[Nuwen]

What effect should happen?

[Nuwen]

csafkj LAUYGHING SO HARD YOU CAN'T EVEN

UNVOTE

[Nuwen]

Heeeey I think if Triforce were scum here more energy would be spent trying to push SOMETHING ELSE forward with all this emotional, passionate chi. So right now I'm just reading it as a town player who would rather spend their final moments making sure everyone knows how

WRONG

they were for posterity. I think a lot of things Triforce is doing can be explained with a town perspective. The power makes me want to at least wait for a night phase of interactions. Sure, this stuff can be faked but why would anyone want to fake being whiny to the grave.

If Singer were frustrated as scum she'd probably just not post, make someone else do it instead?

So uh

vote zdenek

or ActionDan are the table enders today. I like the Dan lynch

a lot

less.

[Nuwen]

unvote

I'll be around all day.

[Nuwen]

I'm pretty sure Fate is town, Matt.

[Nuwen]

good god nuwen better have something to show for her bullshit tomorrow or i will vote park her the remainder of the game

I wonder if these lone votes are supposed to make scum think LOL WHAT SHIT READS SHE CAN LIVE or something.

But Reck just wants to cherry pick what's in front of him like a fatass

[Nuwen]

obviously triforce is vanilla, like I said a hundred posts ago.

Should've just manned up and fucking HARD COUNTECLAIMED NUWEN SCUM

THEN

YOU

COULDVE

BEEN

FUCKING

HEROES


GLORK ARE YOU SO DICKWHIPPED THAT YOU CANT GODDAMN FAKECLAIM FOR YOUR 100% SCUM READS ANYMORE?

FUCKING HELL

That would have been the misplay of the century.

Why do you want to lynched the claimed something-thingy over an actively anti-town VT? Sure, a lot of Triforce's play can be read with a town mismotivation like I've been saying, but there's no skin off our necks now for purging it out. They're looking like the best option overall.

I've read ActionDan doing some town things too. I'd rather let the slot prove its role or stumble over a complex claim later in the game.

[Nuwen]

I mean, we still have 9 hours to dig ourselves out of this twin town wagon trap.

Fate stop voting for ActionDan because you think I'm scum. Who else is scum? I know you have other reads that you've been keeping silent.

[Nuwen]

triforce you keep deliberately misrepresenting people's posts. there is an if in that sentence for a reason.

Yeah but ANYBODY can misinterpret things and react poorly, not just scum. Have you been reading my posts at all Gamma?

[Nuwen]

Heeey Fate right on time

[Nuwen]

triforce you keep deliberately misrepresenting people's posts. there is an if in that sentence for a reason.

Yeah but ANYBODY can misinterpret things and react poorly, not just scum. Have you been reading my posts at all Gamma?

there's a pretty clear difference between misreading posts and deliberately taking out words and then pretending that poking at the players making the statement is scumhunting.

That doesn't quite fit with what Triforce is doing though.

IMO, the biggest tell was when the Trifecta probably told Singer "fuck, go post and make us appear town somehow." We ended up seeing that pressure and frustration in Singer's posts IMO. There's not a lot she can do/answer for when the stuff the slot is accused of is not exclusive to scum.

What do you think of their claim, Gamma? Why would scum not come out with a prepared claim full of rainbows? Why would scum pretend to be a power, but admit to lying in the final hour? Do you think Triforce expected to be unvoted in response to their claim,

or did they expect to be hammered and finally free of frustration?

I dunno. Town fits more. Triforce is at the very bottom of the compromise barrel I think.

Beethoven is better.

[Nuwen]

I would actually tolerate would be a Nuwen lynch.

Because scum go out on a limb and defend the compromise lynch ALL THE TIME at deadline instead of just voting for it.

[Nuwen]

Nuwen if YOU ARE TOWN then lynching AD is retarded and Triforce is obviously town

Come to my wagon. We can make it happen 10 hours

vote Beethoven

[Nuwen]

Nuwen theres NO WAY they'd MAKE singer post as scum, what in the fuck? Does anyone actually have any ability to read into dynamics?

That's what I said, more or less.

[Nuwen]

Triforce has expressed an interest to flash wagon me several times. CES has expressed suspicion of me. Nuwen is going to try and bullshit her way through a last minute lynch on me. Don't do it, because I'm actually town.

This. Even though you're in our top five, Nuwen's vote has scumscumscum written all over it. There is literally no town motivation in trying to start new shit 26 (28?) hours from deadline.

Really?
We can't lynch this?

We get it. Triforce is calling other people out on things it proceeds to do or has done. Someone already said hypocrisy isn't only a scum thing, which is correct.

You vote for Beethoven?

[Nuwen]

I just woke up to another dozen pages and I've only skimmed so far.

Apathetic Fate has turned into Leader Fate because of deadline. That is textbook scumFate.

Let's think about what would be happening if Fate were on vacation in Tahiti.

We'd still be on Trollie/AD split. Both of these slots are probably town. If Fate were scum, his play for the day would have been to lynch one of them and be done. Instead, his play for the day is a little erratic but motivated by rooting out

new

stuff. It's working.

[Nuwen]

Unvote
Vote: Triforce

Honestly, he could put it anywhere but himself right now and it would be better than whatever he is doing right now.

At least 2 people you guys have town reads on have told you NOT to vote for Triforce. Why do you think calling for MORE support for the Triforce lynch is the correct thing to do? If minimum

two

supahtown players aren't voting for Triforce, aren't you providing a perfect segue for either a bus or non-attentive lazy town to just vote and be done (without putting in the effort to really read the game). People are willing to make bad decisions of they're absolved of responsibility for them or are under pressure.

"Anywhere but himself" is a deceptive phrase, because the only really viable places right now that won't get Zde ridiculed are the wagons ON town.

wheeeeee

[Nuwen]

Unvote
Vote: Triforce

Honestly, he could put it anywhere but himself right now and it would be better than whatever he is doing right now.

At least 2 people you guys have town reads on have told you NOT to vote for Triforce. Why do you think calling for MORE support for the Triforce lynch is the correct thing to do? If minimum

two

supahtown players aren't voting for Triforce, aren't you providing a perfect segue for either a bus or non-attentive lazy town to just vote and be done (without putting in the effort to really read the game). People are willing to make bad decisions if they're absolved of responsibility for them or are under pressure.

"Anywhere but himself" is a deceptive phrase, because the only really viable places right now that won't get Zde ridiculed are the wagons ON town.

wheeeeee

minor typo fixes

[Nuwen]

Look at how quickly the AD wagon just disbanded and the Triforce wagon has stayed completely constant sans myself and Nuwen actually

Look at how you're all trying to rationally explain to them that they're wrong and they're acting ambivalent and expressing their inner turmoil and frustration

The wagon on me dissipated in a similar way (scum and some obv town hop on, scum and some obv town hop off). Beethoven is a common denominator on both my wagon and AD's. Feeeeeels good man.

There's also a biiiiig difference between the people trying to prevent Triforce from being lynched and

Have fun mislynching Triforce.

FEELS GOOD MAN

[Nuwen]

Cooperation is power and it makes me happy.

[Nuwen]

I feel like noone reads my posts

I do I do I do

[Nuwen]

What rational reason has been given for a Triforce lynch since they claimed VT? Tell me ONE legitimate reason given

I will quote and bold this high-quality post that reiterates a point I made earlier, which NO ONE voting Triforce has successfully addressed.

Look how big that fucking font is.

[Nuwen]

Hey I don't feel like digging through your posts, full result over again please?

[Nuwen]

Gamma being role-confirmed town sounds awesome, and so does scum dying. Those are the choices if you vote for Beethoven. You should be begging us to lynch you d00d, because those are sublime in the best AND worst case scenario. Lynching VT because we're pussies is awful. Shame on you.

The snap unvotes are gross.

I've ISO'd Beethoven for interaction with Gamma. First, listing someone as a

weak

town read isn't the correct way to crumb because it can't be read into if you die without claiming. That's a reverse-engineered crumb.

Second, there's a piece of interrogative wording in his post that doesn't make sense if he knows Gamma is town:

Gamma: I would be down to vote Trollforce, but they are not my preferred lynch today.

so you should probably vote someone else.

Why don't you care about Trollie and Nuwen's lone votes?

p-edit: Claim aside, Nuwen looks scum to me. But my gut really wants to believe her claim and her story makes sense despite how dumb it may be. I 100% agree that Dan is the right lynch today although I would be fine with Triforce or Trollie as compromises. I agree that Fate is less likely to do provable bullshit as scum. As town he likely feels he can just do whatever he wants - it fits his ego.

p-p-edit: I really dont see whats wrong with not wanting to lynch a claimed 1 shot cop. Its a retarded claim. Let her use her shot or claim to get blocked or whatever. Shes tracker bait.

He isn't trusting confirmed town's read on Nuwen (at the time, Gamma thought I was pretty town because owe shared a couple opinions), but is using the cop claim to segue into supporting another mislynch (Triforce, Trollie) Maintaining that I'm scum while inching onto other wagons could be a scum play. If he's trying to narrow down a lynch in his mind, I'm sure a sound logician like AP would prefer to methodically cross candidates off a list instead of keeping all options open.

[Nuwen]

Dan has role information to suggest Beet is town.

he also supposedly has role info to confirm nuwen's claim

how can he do both

it means he's drinking deep into the role speculation wine and is putting himself way out on a limb with his theories, playing over-cautiously around roles because he's probably used to winning mafia via powers resolving. seems like a pretty town approach to me.

[Nuwen]

isn't the correct way to crumb because

HITOSHRUG

[url="http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p4264663"]HITOSHRUG IS A PROVEN SCUM TELL IN 100% OF ALL INSTANCES[/quote]

you can't make this shit up!

[Nuwen]

isn't the correct way to crumb because

HITOSHRUG

But seriously, why would anyone ever crumb that way.

[Nuwen]

isn't the correct way to crumb because

HITOSHRUG

But seriously, why would anyone ever crumb that way.

This is SUPER RELEVANT because Beethoven's wagon is the most unexpected thing to happen today. Based on the game's reads, did anyone think Beethoven would be a potential lynch candidate 3-4 days ago? No?

Then neither did he, therefore he didn't have time to prepare a claim with advance breadcrumbs.

As town, why would Beethoven lay suboptimal breadcrumbs if he didn't expect to be lynched, really?

[Nuwen]

Day 2, VC 26

ActionDan (2):

Amrun, Beethoven

TheTrollie (2):

Cogito Ergo Sum, Kublai Khan

Nuwen (3):

Fate, Triforce, xRECKONERx

Fate (2)

: Iecerint, ChannelDelibird

Iecerint (1)

: TheTrollie

Triforce (2)

: Gammagooey, Zdenek

xRECKONERx (1)

: Nuwen

Amrun (1)

: ActionDan

Not voting (2):

MattP, BBmolla

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to lynch.
Deadline: (expired on 2013-07-26 22:50:36)

^ Read "actually viable scum wagons" as "ActionDan".

Townreads: KK, CES, CDB, Reckoner, Molla (where you at? : ( )
Weaker Townreads: Fate, Amrun, Matt, Iec, Gamma?

Potentially willing to lynch anyone not listed above ^.

This is the gamestate when Beethoven's crumbs occurred. No one is voting for Beethoven. In his very next post, he supposedly creates his read list with a result crumb in a sub-optimal place - why would a town mind feel the need to crumb his result in an obscure way at that point in the game?

Faaaaakeclaim detected.

Because I have recent cop meta on my other hydra where we were so obvious we got blocked 2/3 nights and killed after that because it was obvious.

So fuck me for tryingto learn from my mistakes.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=28174

MY CRUMBING OF AN INNOCENT ON AJTHEEPIC GOT ME PERMANENTLY ROLEBLOCKED AND NIGHTKILLED IN THIS GAME.

IM TRYING NOT TO MAKE OBVIOUS CRUMBS THAT GET ME NKD

This doesn't explain why you'd

OBSCURE

your result by listing OTHER PEOPLE as MORE TOWN than Gamma. I don't believe you'd make a split of townreads/weak townreads if you were afraid of being a power, because that ALSO implies results (just not necessarily who your innocent is on to scum OR town, which is bad and doesn't actually make sense).

[Nuwen]

Like, you don't even have to be AFRAID OF ROLEBLOCKS AS A ONE-SHOT. That is an ILLOGICAL, INVENTED FEAR from a slot proven to be pretty sound of mind.

[Nuwen]

why would a town mind feel the need to crumb his result in an obscure way at that point in the game?

BECAUSE I WAS TRYING TO THINK OF A WAY TO DO IT THAT WASNT OBVIOUS AND IT FINALLY OCURRED TO ME ON THE SPOT.

I DONT KNOW

You also didn't breadcrumb targeting Gamma D1, which is the super-responsible play in the event your read is incorrect and you die. I know you're beeeetter than scrub mistakes like not accounting for being wrong.

[Nuwen]

I uh

Don't care about self-meta from people I'm calling scum.

But keeeeep going we might get material that appeals more to the general audience?

[Nuwen]

You also didn't breadcrumb targeting Gamma D1, which is the super-responsible play in the event your read is incorrect and you die

No, we didn't. Honestly the only thing I got on that is hydra dissonance. We hadn't really discussed who to target and Maestro was flaking and I kept thinking hed come back to talk about it but he didnt. But I wasnt saving my shot and I was reasonably certain Gamma was town and a likely NK choice after some reading but wanted to be sure.

Sounds like you were really confident in your Gamma read, right then? You wouldn't have expected to die by targeting him, otherwise you would have held your shot until a better time.

In this claim fantasyland Gamma is so obviously town (dying without a hint would be objectively awful, right? Might as well hold onto that shot if unsure - Gamma's gotta be hypertown in this scenario) that he deserves a single-shot ability to ABSOLUTELY make him town N1. Then he spends the day proceeding to disagree with Gamma's reads overall, usually ignoring them in lieu of his own wiiiide open list of options.

Then, after claiming this unlikely action/result pick you tell us that you crumbed the result already at a time when you probably didn't expect to claim today. If you were expecting to be shot instead (which would be the town fear here - getting NK'd), it would make your result intentionally obscure to anyone reading your ISO.

Sounds like a lot of bumbling, anti-town decisions. I don't get that impression of you at all and I find it difficult to swallow as a defense.

[Nuwen]

Vote: Nuwen

I deny being hated.

Why do you think Reck was vigged, CES?

[Nuwen]

Wait a second

the roleblocker got lynched

and they killed Gamma over nuwen

are you fucking shittin gme

CLAIM RIGHT NOW WOMAN

I have to wait for more people to post so I know who to fake counterclaim a guilty on.

[Nuwen]

Vote: Nuwen

I deny being hated.

Why do you think Reck was vigged, CES?

Killing suspicious anti-town players seems like fairly straightforward play.

I usually don't find you voting

with

suspicious, anti-town players and not lynching scum. What's up with that.

[Nuwen]

CLAIM RIGHT NOW WOMAN

Vote: CES

[Nuwen]

Here's the full claim since CES isn't trying to be coy or anything. His shit is pretty anti-town, so I'm guessing SK if not scum.

I'm a kill investigator. I can pick a target, and if that person has preformed a kill they'll become hated the next day (cute 1 damage flavor from Shadow Hunters).

[Nuwen]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

NOT YOU TOO

hitoshrug is still scum tell in 100% of all observed instances

[Nuwen]

Trollope (autocorrect lol!), Fate

CES you know how this works. If you want to be town, you lock yourself into a claim. You don't get to sit in your special savant corner after shooting Reck.

[Nuwen]

Fate is the least likely scum in the gAme*

[Nuwen]

CES you know how this works. If you want to be town, you lock yourself into a claim. You don't get to sit in your special savant corner after shooting Reck.

You're just being silly because you have a "guilty" on me. I'm not going to claim over some half-baked SK theories. SKs don't make kills that can be traced back to them as vig kills.

Except you only came forward after I heavy-handedly started asking you questions about the Reck kill instead of claiming my result. It's not like your first post of the day said "I KILLED RECK ME ME ME ME." You even had the opportunity to respond to speculation about Reck when ActionDan posted:

ok. Should we agree that the Reck kill was a vig kill, or not?

I'd be inclined to think Gamma was the scum kill

But you didn't. You voted for Nuwen instead. I know you've been reading me as scum in-thread since yesterday, so I'm surprised that you choose to vig-shoot Reck instead of a long-standing

unlynchable

(who's gonna help you lynch Nuwen? No one, probably) scum read.

So we read your shot's motivation as: kill a town player, let the cop live to catch scum for you. Sounds like SK play to me.

If you were really a vig you could also say I

confirm your role

, if only you'd claim it. I suspect you don't know whether to claim 1-shot and risk being caught in a lie later, or admit to having more than 1 shot in a game where town powers seem to be single-use.

[Nuwen]

kill it kill it make it stop

VOTE AMRUN

[Nuwen]

May the supreme-deity-or-collection-of-universal-axioms give us the grace to learn from our mistakes and better ourselves.

This game had a very narrow margin of error (3 scum lynched back to back, innocent child @ lylo) but it was hit. Consider how this happened as you enter future situations with even HIGHER chance of error, and reflect on the things we have learned.

People are persuaded by repetition. The SCD is empowered by beating a dead horse with capslock until it happens; there's a REASON this tactic is famous. Cat memes, campaign slogans, song refrains - if you repeat it enough it can become reality. Do It Like A Scientist and check the things you take for granted as truth (and then learn to balance this by not being overly paranoid all the time).

Only then can we have nice things.

Also CES holy shit I still don't have words for you.

[Nuwen]

May the supreme-deity-or-collection-of-universal-axioms give us the grace to learn from our mistakes and better ourselves.

This game had a very narrow margin of error (3 scum lynched back to back, innocent child @ lylo) but it was hit. Consider how this happened as you enter future situations with even HIGHER chance of error, and reflect on the things we have learned.

People are persuaded by repetition. The SCD is empowered by beating a dead horse with capslock until it happens; there's a REASON this tactic is famous. Cat memes, campaign slogans, song refrains - if you repeat it enough it can become reality. Do It Like A Scientist and check the things you take for granted as truth (and then learn to balance this by not being overly paranoid all the time).

Only then can we have nice things.

Also CES holy shit I still don't have words for you.

[Nuwen]

May the supreme-deity-or-collection-of-universal-axioms give us the grace to learn from our mistakes and better ourselves.

This game had a very narrow margin of error (3 scum lynched back to back, innocent child @ lylo) but it was hit. Consider how this happened as you enter future situations with even HIGHER chance of error, and reflect on the things we have learned.

People are persuaded by repetition. The SCD is empowered by beating a dead horse with capslock until it happens; there's a REASON this tactic is famous. Cat memes, campaign slogans, song refrains - if you repeat it enough it can become reality. Do It Like A Scientist and check the things you take for granted as truth (and then learn to balance this by not being overly paranoid all the time).

Only then can we have nice things.

Also CES holy shit I still don't have words for you.

[Nuwen]

Hey Nuwen, spend more time trying to lynch Axxle, Reck, and us from up on your pedestal.

Uh, I backed down from lynching your slot because cooperation is tech. I listened to people I had town reads on, like Fate, who were calling your slot town. It's on you if your slot couldn't prove its town motivation on its own. Probably a pretty difficult task in a tri-person hydra; I wouldn't tri it (hue).

You break eggs to lynch scum? I am sorry it was Axxle though, because rereading made me see town things he did. Would have been fun to have him in this game and I think his slot would have town-telled even more if given appropriate time opportunity.

Making people feel bad about their mistakes is bad tho, because then they'll be afraid to make mistakes in the future. Jesus.

[Nuwen]

Hey Nuwen, spend more time trying to lynch Axxle, Reck, and us from up on your pedestal.

Uh, I backed down from lynching your slot because cooperation is tech. I listened to people I had town reads on, like Fate, who were calling your slot town. It's on you if your slot couldn't prove its town motivation on its own. Probably a pretty difficult task in a tri-person hydra; I wouldn't tri it (hue).

You break eggs to lynch scum? I am sorry it was Axxle though, because rereading made me see town things he did. Would have been fun to have him in this game and I think his slot would have town-telled even more if given appropriate time opportunity.

Making people feel bad about their mistakes is bad tho, because then they'll be afraid to make mistakes in the future. Becoming emotionally invested in your mistakes and somehow conflating them with your value as a person/player is bad news. EVERYONE will be wrong on the way to being right.

[Nuwen]

Get fucked by flavor speculation, blame moderator????

Flavor by definition has no fucking bearing on the game itself. Whether it's patently wrong, inconsistent, or so accurate it could be canon should have no bearing on how you play mafia. If you think anything pertaining to flavor is go-to "solid evidence" as opposed to behavioral content then you deserve what's coming. Learn your lesson and quit your bitching.

[Nuwen]

hey Molla guess who that douchebag scum was that kept you alive because you were literally worth nothing

No shit.

Don't really have any comments, played awful, contributed to the town loss. Bout it.

You made me laugh more than anyone else in this thread (that's not an insult - claim delivery was HILARIOUS)

[Nuwen]

Confirmable can mean a lot of stuff.

Where is it on a scale of "stuff happens" to "The mod descends and declares my slot an Innocent Child."

Woof, Woof, Woof

Confirmable can mean a lot of stuff.

Where is it on a scale of "stuff happens" to "The mod descends and declares my slot an Innocent Child."

Woof, Woof, Woof

Woah. Calm down BBmolla! Stop barking at us. Please. Just calm down and we'll give you what you want. Who's a good dog who's gender we didn't learn? Who's a good dog who's gender we didn't learn! Yes you are. Now, roll over!

BBmolla is MOD CONFIRMED to be the Karaoke Dog and aligned with the

Balto Meet

.

The above is mod confirmed to be true, purple text and all that! Day Continues.