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Assumes that zombie random target resolves after hide does, but yeah that sounds good.In post 14, MattP wrote:Noone should be hiding early on to allow the PRs to have their chances of being hit lowered. Since we only have two hide chances each we can't throw them away early on.beefycheese-
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It probably does yeah.In post 21, Majiffy wrote:I reckon the zombie target does resolve after the hide.beefycheese-
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Matt and desperado aren't scum togetherIn post 76, Thor665 wrote:Would you like to offer a read on me, or Matt, or anyone else now?beefycheese-
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mattpIn post 89, Jon Doe wrote:I see both points here. I can't see why scum would draw so much attention to themselves but I can't see why town (other than VI) would pull a stunt like this either. The motivation is rather confusing to this head.
why so itchy about multiball so early?beefycheese-
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Yeah but you deliberately introduced that possibility without commenting on whether or not it is likely. Do you think it is likely?In post 111, Jon Doe wrote:I am not itchy. I just throw up every possibility until I'm left with what's possible. Not "itching for it" but when I say could be it means just that. Could be.
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They might if it was a claimed role that was pretty demonstrably fake.In post 125, Trust Fund wrote:With thor on this one. No way scum would risk hammering a claimed role, no matter how bullshit it was, unless it was scum on scum. So it establishes that it is either {scum, scum} or {town, town} and I see TT a shitton more likely.
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That's a really weird claim to make right now.In post 144, Majiffy wrote:And yeah, this is sounding a lot like anti-town third-parties rather than a full, assembled scum team.beefycheese-
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hyperbole is a thing
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Which also means an anti-town third party could potentially be totally mcfucked by the roll of a dice? There's also just no precedent for what you're claiming in a large as far as I've seen.In post 155, Majiffy wrote:Why? Think about it; there's already the potential of up to 2 anti-town nightkills before factions are even considered. Plus, given the flavor, it's not exactly like there's a whole lot of wiggle room for a full-blown scum team.beefycheese-
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Matt, break this post down for me, I don't find complaining about early name claims unreasonable, and SK's vote is at least synchronized with that second sentence.In post 253, StupendousKey wrote:UNVOTE:
VOTE: Trust Fund
Why are people claiming right now? The Pitoli votes are bad, he's barely even said anything.beefycheese-
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Well I am in the middle of isoing your interaction with each other and you at least look town as fuck.
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I swear I never fucking do that.
I wanna say L-2In post 708, Ellibereth wrote:He's at L-what now.beefycheese-
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I swear I never fucking do that.
I wanna say L-2In post 708, Ellibereth wrote:He's at L-what now.beefycheese-
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What about mollie?In post 718, sangres wrote:
yeah I am liking Mara for town.In post 691, borkjerfkin wrote:Ok I lost the point of #405 in the ISO then.
My Mara town read is my port in the storm right now.
I don't find either SK "scumslip" legit (#329 is pretty definitively not one, and #253 is just an uninteresting post) so meh.
Mara, has it been KBW posting?beefycheese-
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Seriously: I'm working on it.In post 725, No Brains Here wrote:I think it is the perfect question to ask you and I am wondering why you are prevaricating.
I did not read Xenoblade all that closely, and I sure as shit didn't on D1 when all I had time to do was post votecounts before 10 new pages popped up.beefycheese-
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Interpreting this as a sarcastic response to Amrun, You clearly think we should be looking on the wagon, not off it, but then you go after GIF, who wasn't on it, with a point that isn't objectively very good on someone who can't respond to pressure right now.In post 805, waynegg wrote:Yes ignore the wagon that's bound to be full of scum given the nature of the lynch to go after one of the three or so players who were saying you guys were falling into an obvious trap. That's the smart play here...
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What is #805 then if not just subtly flinging shit at Amrun? You're basically saying Amrun is not being smart for not limiting her search to on the wagon, and then you abandon that mantra like 3 posts later despite the fact that you had a few people on the wagon that you called scum. How that translates into "there is nothing to be gained from that wagon" I have no idea. Why are you ignoring all your scumspects that were on the wagon after saying it's the right place to look?In post 828, Jon Doe wrote:Did you somehow miss the whole vote analysis thing where it's apparent there's nothing to be gained from that wagon at this time. There wasn't one solid reason for any vote. The ISOs I looked at for those players (which was most of them) was just as fruitless. If you're going to omgus vote me, at least have to courtesy to point out what I may have overlooked to corroborate how bad I suck.
Add bork to the scum pile because instead of giving a clear counter argument, he just discredits the case all together with no work to back up that lame shit.
I have no idea how OMGUS comes into it other than that's kinda what you're doing to me.beefycheese-
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You seem to have no idea what this term means so whatever, boring semantic argument.In post 833, Jon Doe wrote:And it's omgus.
There are plenty of things wrong with it:In post 815, waynegg wrote:This is odd behavior for GiF. He says he aggressively WhiteKnights what he sees as bad lynches when town ~ every time. Yet, though he had the opportunity to, and plainly reads SK as town, he instead throws out a limp, no conviction hand with "how is this slot scum again?". This isn't GiF as town. Also, GiF is more involved and helpful as town than what he showed D1.
I don't see that he thinks KBW is town, just that he's KBW.
you're the one saying that he WKs every time rather than is just generally his playstyle.
and it looks like he's trying to clarify the slot, not defend it.
But pointing out how you so easily criticized amrun for going after who she objectively thought was scummiest rather than who was scummiest on the wagon and then you went and did the same thing yourself is the main point I was trying to make there.
@Desp: I don't have anything to go on with pitoli; let's not have another day like yesterday where nobody explains fucking anything.beefycheese-
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Well let's clear this up -- why is this?In post 836, Jon Doe wrote:If anything you've bolstered it with the KBW thing.beefycheese-
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Because he wasn't trying to argue that he thought KBW was town. He was arguing that KBW does dumb crap a lot so stuff people are calling scummy is probably null.In post 840, Jon Doe wrote:Why didn't GiF WK when that's his always meta as town?beefycheese-
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That's a dumb fuck thing to say, so I just did go read it and he says that "he WKs as either alignment" and that "people he WKs usually end of flipping town"In post 849, Jon Doe wrote:he also says he WK's people regardless of how he reads them when he's town.
not that "he WKs people always (as town) for the fuck of it regardless of how he feels about them" Cause ??? what the fuck? That's really what you think? I don't think you think that.beefycheese-
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Bonus: Not scum with john doe; scum would have voted for the correct player.In post 851, Toogeloo wrote:Vote: wayneggbeefycheese-
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Ok, well there you have it.In post 858, Sugar Cain wrote:I think your day 1 was a little bit scummy but Mara feels like you were lost and confused. I didn't think that and wanted to see how you felt about your own play.beefycheese-
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I echo matt's sentiment more than I agree with the actual point -- I could see someone initially making the argument OGML made, and then going back and thinking about it more and realizing the argument is not sound.In post 1025, No Brains Here wrote:I was saying that OMGL is scum for not considering that Jon Doe might have information NOT ABOUT THE SCUM KILL, BUT ABOUT THE VIG'S KILL. He just wanted to frame Jon Doe. That is not a townie mindset.
That 'going back and thinking about it more' thing didn't happen and it turned into a 'la la you scumslipped mantra'.
VOTE: ogml
@jon -- I see that GIF did in fact say you said he said. It's a dumb thing for him to have said but whatever. I don't agree with your case in GIF at all -- I think that the page he was on concerning the SK wagon is a really genuine page to have been on at that time of day, and I just think you're applying a blanket to a situation that really just doesn't work here.
@mollie -- I looked at sangres slot; 353 and 376 rub me wrong, especially considering that the unexplained SK vote preceded it by a lot, and just that it seems to kinda skirt around the more important part of voting for scum and lynching them and shit. I don't know how to explain the point I'm trying to make here very well.
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@amrun - basically jon talked about trust fund's death implying that it was the scum kill; jon later justified this with flavor hints (which is wrong in this case, but plausible)
ogml came back and said jon was scum for slipping cause the only way he'd know trust fund was the scum kill is if his team had done it. DGB pointed out that the hole here is that jon could be a vig who shot majiffy but OGML has been adamant at pushing this as a scumslip.
But people are ignoring that Dan is probably right and it's Majiffy who was likely killed by scum -- I just think jon looked for flavor hints where there weren't any.beefycheese-
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I feel like this is an argument for jon doe being townIn post 1052, Amrun wrote:Oh wait, they said trust fund was a scum kill?
That makes no fucking sense.
Lol sorry DGB
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I disagree at this point - OGML has said things about more of the slots in the game than pitoli has and I think people generally have stronger opinions about OGML's alignment than they do pitoli's (I don't recall seeing a single person calling pitoli town yet, for example). I think that makes OGML more useful.In post 1408, MattP wrote:Both are fine. Pitoli is more useful
I had pretty strong reasons for Sugar Cain town D1 and I want to bring those to the table when I get a chance.beefycheese-
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Following up:
I had Sugar cain as town for:
I know for a fact Mara was burned out on scum games. I don't see any reason to have posted this other than genuine elation at having not drawn scum. Otherwise you have to believe that this was a trap for people like me who knows she feels this way and I just don't see that being likely at all. 688 also struck me as really town.In post 165, Sugar Cain wrote:oh fuck, I slipped :/
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though, I wouldn't really mind KBW either >.>
yes we are town Amrun, you don't know how pumped I am to actually be town after so many scumdrawings
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As for Thor, I feel like when I've seen Thor scum in the past (I was in a newbie with him where he was scum briefly, a long time ago, and there was a mini where we were doing the 'creeper club' where he was scum) he has pretty much gone out of his way to discredit his detractors / just generally be confrontational with people attacking him instead of actually trying to work stuff out / compromise.
I see absolutely no hint of that here. This looks more like Open 465 where I was scum and he was town and he was being reasonable.beefycheese-
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I think I was ignoring the underlined, and you have a point; it'd be a much better tell if it were unsolicited. I'll reread the slot.In post 1531, Thor665 wrote:As far as your clear for Sugar - I mean,i was specifically done as a response to a question of if they were scum or not.I'm not sure I buy that they wouldn't consider how to play that as a town response...why do you see that as so unlikely?beefycheese-
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Cause he was NK analyzing the TF kill as if it were a known thing that TF was the scum kill. It looked organic to me, which would indicate he didn't know it wasn't.In post 1608, Sugar Cain wrote:Lets just pretend that TF is a vig kill, how does that make Titus less likely to be scum?beefycheese-
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I don't think OGML slipped; in fact I think (as several of us have said) that TF isn't even the mafia NK.In post 1617, Toogeloo wrote:OGML was actually the one who slipped.
But OGML saw blood in the water and tried to nail JD to the wall for it without considering other reasons JD may have had to say it. The ultimate truth about who was actually what kill (fuck, chesskid could be a vig and majiffy and TF could both be zombie kills for all we know, however unlikely that is) isn't as important.beefycheese-
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noIn post 1643, OhGodMyLife wrote:borkjerfkin is a strong candidate for scum too, in the (likely) event I'm wrong about at least one of my other reads. I don't really find Pitoli scummy anymore.beefycheese-
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