I am so, so sorry that you drew a scum role PM, AP.
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VOTE: Guilty Gunsmith.
I am so, so sorry that you drew a scum role PM, AP.
Claim: Masons with Majiffy, who is a bodyguard-mason, and will be protecting me each night most likely. Just thought I'd let you know.My academy.
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(May or may not be serious.
Depends on whether you think I've read so much as a single word or not.
And thus, whether you think I'm catching up on the large start of the game or whether I'm just posting to say, "yo". )My academy.
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For realz, though, I found this immediately eyebrow-raising.
This, too.In post 6, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Thank you whoever gave us that 1-shot Day cop ability. Naturally we used it on PeregrineV and PeregrineV isMafia.
I'll let you guys have your petty RVS, but I fully expect him to be lynched by P5 at the latest.
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Also lets have a flavor claim of whether or not we are organic or inorganic.
Snork and I will start. We're organic!! Popcorn mastin!
For a game about being organic...this opener felt an awful lot like it was inorganic.
Probably town.
Is going to be the last scum caught. (Town.)
Mollie alarm bells ringing.In post 14, pirate mollie wrote:hey guys
wats going on
I didn't find a hydra partner in time so I am solo
can some1 give me the tldr version of wat this game is about cos I am already confused.
I am tired of being confused in gamz.
Like...normally, when mollie's town, I can tell fairly well. Here, something just instantly feelsoff.
Let's actually vote to that.
vote: mollie.
I <3 you and I'm hoping this read changes. But it most certainly is not a townread.My academy.
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Vezok's town. I was also concerned with Zx's opener; that vezok locked onto it is a VERY good sign.In post 36, vezokpiraka wrote:Everyone we lynch zzzx today.
If you want to have a clean game without the same immense post being quoted every three or four posts just to add another line come with me.
vote zzzx
(Or, y'know, I'm scum buddying him so that he gets mislynched after I flip scum. )
My initial read was that, yeah. Not absolutely sure, though.In post 38, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Also doduo, looks pretty town.
Gut reaction is town, but Titus is always scum, so.In post 46, Titus wrote:~Noted. This is the same type of metal mistake I make as scum.
VOTE: Guilty Gunsmith
Do you want to drink with me? I got plenty of alcohol. Or are you content being scum?
Majiffy, stop policy lynching and help me lynch scum. I think Doduo has a post restriction.
Nevermind that, Titus is thinking exactly like I am. Town.In post 48, Titus wrote:Mollie being confused early is also indicative of likely scum as she was confused really early in the game where we were scum together. I wound up having to bus her. Sorry Mollie.
(Majiffy's posting is actually quite alarmingly NOT sending off townvibes instantly.)My academy.
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This is better, though.In post 70, pirate mollie wrote:MAJIFFY I NEED YOU TO SCREAM TOWN LOUD AND CLEAR
Not so much this.wtf is titus going on about
But this is good.In post 77, pirate mollie wrote:ap you are making me nervous.
Vote: Majiffy.My academy.
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*points to these statements immediately next to each other*In post 83, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Ok, what about me is making you nervous?
I've already dropped like a million towntells.
Not necessarily scum, but not sending off townvibes.
Change my mind about Ax. He's town.In post 93, ZZZX wrote:
But there is no scum motive behind it. I expect you see it deeper than this. I actually town read him for that play.In post 79, Majiffy wrote:
I have never seen Marquis troll a game like this.In post 74, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:
Yes Im totally sure that Marquis going about his general schtick of posting the words squack and quack over and over in this game has special relevance to this game despite it just being his thing.try again?In post 67, Titus wrote:Drunk guy who can only squawk or quack totally fits flavor as alcohol is an organic compand... at least according to my role PM.
In post 106, pirate mollie wrote:ap is town guyz
...In post 107, pirate mollie wrote:so is majiffy!
I see it and I can buy it, but I'm not absolutely sold.In post 111, vezokpiraka wrote:This is scum right here.
Come help me lynch scum for the glory of organic materials.
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I'm kinda skimming page six and such.
Like, important words are there yet the whole exchange is turning me off.
Kinda feel like just saying screw it and working in reverse to find scum via POE.My academy.
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Kinda feel like yolo-voting Lying Cat and townreading AP. But meh.
/caught up, but this is pretty dang worthless posting.My academy.
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I'd quote posts of yours I agree with.
That there aren't any is a large contributing factor in my vote.My academy.
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Eliminated def-townreads.
BPC/Saki/zabriel/beast haven't posted; I got a gut feeling Speedy Saki's town, though. PBC probably is, too. Kinda getting the vibe beastcharizard picked up a town role PM, too. zabriel's a bit more iffy; we'll have to wait and see him actually post content.
But on those who HAVE posted...
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)
^Posting looks more town than not-town, but this is shallow analysis that doesn't go in-depth.
Majiffy
^Closest thing to a well and true proper scumread I have. A town-Jiffy synchs really well with me. This Jiffy...most assuredly isn't.
Titus
^Always scum, but townreading decently strong. Not enough for elimination, though.
MTD
^Haven't really bothered reading his posting, but vaguely felt town I guess.
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
^Meh, I suppose town for now, but this is a zero-strength read.
pirate mollie
^
Gun to head, town?
PeregrineV
^Need more.
Wickedestjr
^Skimmed, but posting does look like scum.
Slight concern in that everyone's wagoning him, though. Yeah, scum can make themselves be that obvious, but did he?
/badreads.My academy.
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The slot's town to the nth degree. Lynching them will never be on the table.In post 206, Majiffy wrote:What's your position on the DoduoTrollPostRestrictionFakingThing that NoOneWillEverBeAbleToReadBecauseTroll and WeReallyShouldn'tAllowToClutterTheThreadNorGetAnywhereNearLYLO?
It's right there?In post 207, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:Mastin where's your catchup posting because that wasn't it, try again!!
Kinda want to be masons with vezok, now.My academy.
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Yep! The only reason I even labeled them as badreads is because I did the math and found I had at most, like, 3 viable scum names when there's gonna be four meaning I townread too many people too quickly.In post 209, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Seriously.... you felt the need to do this?My academy.
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VOTE: Guilty Gunsmith.In post 213, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Mastin's entry is a little worrisome. It doesn't scream town to me. In fact her stance on me is pretty meh. I'd wagon mastin right now but not feel amazing about it. Just kidding, I probably would.
How about the fact that Majiffy's sole content is pushing a policy lynch, when there's other things to be talked about. And if he were town, I'd expect us to synch up on some things and he's done nothing of the sort.Come on, give reasons for the Majiffy vote. I dont see anything particularly egregious from Majiffy so far.My academy.
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Because their posting has looked highly town. It's lighthearted. Whimsical. Annoying, yes. A pain, sure. Scum?In post 214, Majiffy wrote:Explain to me where you got that read.
Not in a million years.
This is what I'd expect you as town to think.My academy.
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On the contrary, me not identifying with Majiffy is quite explicitly why he's a scumread.In post 215, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:- didnt try to identify with majiffy,My academy.
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Okay. I will give you one thing. One thing that could give a shadow of a doubt.And that's notscience being in the hydra but not posting, because notscience makes his alignment obvious with posting, well, posting. And a faked PR can be a convenient way of avoiding that.
Thing about it is, though, that they look obvtown anyway in spite of (or perhaps partially because of) the faked PR, meaning that point doesn't really hold to me.My academy.
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Yeah, well the thing about Majiffy is that if his pushes are "meh" and you expect more...that generally means he's scum. And Majiffy was quite correct--his posting in L4D was doing my will. You thinking this isn't doing any favors to my read on you, either.In post 224, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:@Mastin: Cute. I already said that I found Majiffy's Doduo push to be "meh" and that I expected more. The Doduo push doesnt make Majiffy scum though. ITs fairly null and Majiffy's air feels different than L4D to me so far. I dont see why Majiffy is a good vote.
Also Snork and I both think you are scum, so ha!
I mean, legit, my posts are probably terribad in a lot of other ways because I'm half-assing it, but you and Majiffy are actual scumreads that I actually feel.My academy.
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Not motivated, but tone. They just feel town. I also don't see the scum motive, so it's null at worst, not null at best.In post 225, Majiffy wrote:SHOW ME POSTS. QUOTES. TELL ME WHY THE POSTS BY DODUO ARE TOWN-MOTIVATED.
Your vote says otherwise.In post 228, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:My top scumreads right now are mastin2, WickedDestJr, ZZZX, MTD in roughly that order of increasing lynchburnfire-ness.My academy.
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Anyway, not going to get overly invested in this game, soyeah, leaving before I'm late for my next class. (I'm writing an MD article on this, btw. Stay tuned.)My academy.
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Actually, changed my mind.
Had a thought while driving that AP/Snork was town.
Frustratingly, have not a dang cluewhatthat thought was, but had it all the same, so
VOTE: Majiffy.My academy.
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Btw, for those curious about anything, you can just ask.
vezokpiraka
Doduo (notscience + Marquis)
ZZZX
Titus
Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)
pirate mollie
MTD
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
Wickedestjr
Majiffy
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
beastcharizard
Bipolarchemist
zabriel
PeregrineV
Not exactly a readslist. But basically annotation of thoughts atm.My academy.
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(Also, for the record, will not be this active whole game. Feel like posting, so am posting. When I don't feel like posting, I'll be posting more sparsely. When I do, I will, unless real life dictates I won't, since I'm not going to prioritize this game above it. [Again, working on article explaining my theory.] Basically, you could run me up and I'm not going to be posting any differently than I am now. Maybe a bit more, perhaps a bit less, but tone would be the same and so would devotion to the game. I'm only human, so there would be some change [in particular, spite meaning I wouldn't claim if run up], but otherwise, the same.)My academy.
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Kinda? They're lazy and explicitly so. I don't feel like putting in extreme effort into the game right now.In post 244, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:You're posts are so EMPTY!!!!
Postin' my feelings which often are just that. If I felt like going deeper, I'd go deeper. Right now, I don't. Probably will later.wtf is this surface level nonsense??
This one you're just wrong on, though. There's plenty of feels. You can't see it, it's not a problem on my end.There is no feels!
Yep! Still is!Your read on us was so wishy washy!
And my lynch on SC was on town.Your SC lynch in House Party had more heart!My academy.
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Dunno. That's basically the one thing whichIn post 245, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Why do all your posts sound like you don't even believe what you're writing?shouldn'tbe a problem. Like. You said it yourself. Surface level play. A scuMastin can use legit surface-level play, meaning if I was scum I'd believe what I was writing, too.My academy.
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(Basic preview of articles:
Casual play is more productive and fun and healthy.
Investing heart into it not only reduces fun, but also accuracy.)My academy.
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Still don't remember what made AP town before, but feelin' it anyway all the same.My academy.
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That's what I want to know.In post 249, pirate mollie wrote:mastina whats up?
Like, I realize I'm half-assing my play, here, but I don't see where the issue is. Honestly, I've never felt more serene than right now, and happy energetic lightness. Like I'm playing a game rather than doing a job. (Even my internal tone this game is lighter. My normal internal voice is a bit lower than what I have this game.) That should be conveyed quite clearly, but it shouldn't be interfering with reads. It should be Mastin through the filter of a new personality but still Mastin.My academy.
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What self-meta?In post 252, Snork wrote:I hope you don't expect me to actually take your self meta and apply it...
I don't remember that. I mean, there was an "I'm admitting to being scummy" in L4D, but not lazy.Also also this is the same "I'm admitting I'm being lazy so it's ok and you shouldn't lynch me" kind of attitude from NY 172. Where you were scum.
When I stopped actively trying. I have him as town for now. If I actually bothered trying to read him, maybe I'd give ya a more in-depth answer, but eh.In post 253, pirate mollie wrote:where did you lose your way to read ap?My academy.
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I have literally no clue what you're saying.In post 259, Perpetual Nonsense wrote: oxymoron! Does half-hearted play get you by as scum? Nope, and it shouldn't as town either. Stop whining about your play being half-hearted ONLY after people break down your play to you and put pressure on you. It looks really, really bad.
Easy, vezok's thoughts are basically an open book to me. I mean, even when playing half-heartedly, I can tell this is his towngame. I detailed this last game, essentially, that vezok's essentially like me only not quite; he saw the same things I did and posted about them in a town way, soyeah.Also, mastina please explain your read on vezok. Top of the town list, why?
Gut. You just seemed town. In spite of not existing. I just felt it.In post 263, Speedy Saki wrote:How did you get reads on is mastin when we haven't even posted yet?My academy.
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I dunno. I mean, sure, yeah, I feel different, but not in an 'off' way, in a Mastin way. Your guess is as good as mine.
Vaguely agree.Oh and the post above me is made by awful scum.
Actually...I didn't. That's the same reason I haven't voted you. (Well, aside from the votes already on you.) I had that game specifically in mind when thinking of you, because frankly, it's the only game I remembered.In post 270, Wickedestjr wrote:Last time I played with mastin, this game, she was in the Horrifying Hero hydra and had a very very strong scum read on me starting from the bottom of page 1. I'veneverplayed with somebody so certain that I was scum, even though I was town and eventually forced to claim cop. Granted it was a few years back, but I have a hard time believing mastin forgot.
Why is it that everyone is saying there's something weird about me? It's me.In post 273, Lying Cat wrote:Heppy to lynching the wicked.
Something's weird about mastin, but I dont care for how little resistance there is to a wagon.
(That said, there seems to be a bit of a contradiction with the attitude towards me compared to Wicked, though not absolutely sure.)
Well, the wagon forming such as it did does give concern for its validity, but Vezok's hop off of it is not at all noteworthy.In post 274, Titus wrote:VEzo's jump makes no sense to me. He has a wagon on scum that he started, but he gets off??? That makes no sense to me and makes me glad I never got on the Wicked wagon as I'm doubting its validity.
Well, I just guessed initially. Got a gut vibe before you had even posted that it'd be true. Then you started posting. And, well. It's still true.In post 275, Saki wrote:really mastin, how are we town-ish
i know we're town but i want to know how you know because i need to know that because i want to know that i think i know what you know
No objections here, though do me a favor and invite Zx for me.In post 282, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:We can form a trifecta townblock you me and vezokMy academy.
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Yes, I am. Town players are town players. Moreover, town players like you are town players that individually might be perceived as sub-par but when collectively put together are actually an incredibly awesome force.In post 284, Metal Sonic wrote:You mean that zzzx dude? Are you sure you want two fluffers in your town block cause you're getting way more than popcorn
I trust vezok. A lot. Zx kinda reminds me of me in my MS youth, in that I see potential to be good after a little dosage of humbleness and time spent on the site. (No, the two are not mutually exclusive.) I think Perpetual Nonsense is town, and know Bert's competent. I'm also thinking you're town and I know that you can not-suck when you choose to.
Nope! You didn't. Vezok's town because his posts are bleeding town, basically being exactly in line with my own thoughts, just more vezoky than mastiny.In post 287, MTD wrote:@mastin: So do I get it right that you townread vezok for (seemingly jokingly) disliking a ZZZX postbecause of posting styleand then say that ZZZX is town for townreading Doduo,which he is basically the content of the post vezok didn't like?
Kinda? I don't think forcing a townbloc is a good idea. I don't stop townblocs from forming, and it looks like one is forming on its own. Naturally. Rather than artificially. Which makes me not oppose it and actually have a suggestion for it.In post 288, Lying Cat wrote:Is this the same mastin who thinks forcing townblocs to form leads to scum infiltrate townblocs?My academy.
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(MTD might be scum, but I should probably read his posting in more detail and do some crossreferencing, since there's something in there that I THINK was absent from his scumgame that I remember being present in his towngame, soyeah, not sure.)My academy.
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Actually, I think this is the answer I have for you, Titus. Your strength as a scum player is being transparent without being transparently-scum. That is, your thoughts are made crystal clear and feel (because they largely will be) genuine, but are still furthering a scum wincon. Thus, why everyone reads you as town when you're scum. It's also the weakness in your scumgame, though, because if something feels off, if something doesn't add up, on the transparent thoughts, it's the giveaway that you're scum, I'd think. (Not exactly sure; I'd have to fact-check.) And I'm actually theorizing this is actually why you're so hard to read as town: because players with experience playing with you's main way of reading players (transparency) they know doesn't apply to you, meaning they find it difficult to tell whether you're town or scum in spite of sounding town.In post 374, Titus wrote:Despite me being totally transparent, no one reads me well.
Again, haven't fact-checked, but I think this is an accurate summary of you as a player.
Which is exactly what I was saying?In post 293, vezokpiraka wrote:@mastin: bert's town. Look at his posts and tell me if anything doesn't scream town to you.
Helpful hint, pressuring players generally works better if you're pressuring someone who actually will change when under pressure. Which admittedly would happen in past games but I'm not letting it happen this game, so pressuring me isn't going to do anything. Talking to me, sure, yeah, that can do stuff. Pressuring me, not so much.Have you heard of pressure? Wicked is already scum. No need to keep my vote there when we pursue other leads.
Past, actually. It's something you'd never expect, but I can in fact be pushed so far that I BREAK. And not only boil over, but evaporate into scolding-hot vicious steam. (Not a pretty sight.) Part of the reason for the chillz attitude this game.In post 384, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:Mastin has been pushed up right to boiling point...
Welcome to me, MTD. Above all other things, that you'll learn about me. Nobody changes game to game more than I do. (Thus my thread about meta in MD.) In part because nobody's been in as many games as I have. (150+ by now.) It's not just role, it's not just alignment, it's not just game type, it's not just players inside the game, it's not just my mood, it's not just the circumstances of other ongoing games and past games (read the MD thread for more details; they DO influence things!), but rather, all of them combined and more, making me basically the very definition of, "don't use objective tells; use subjective feelings about patterns", more or less.In post 399, MTD wrote:So... from what I can tell from 2 games with mastin (1 where she was town 1 she was scum), this feels like neither really...
Not quite. You placed me inside of it. I mean, you couldIn post 295, Speedy Saki wrote:mastin's townbloc: speedy saki, mastin, zzzx, vezok, perp. nonsenseletme in if you felt like it, since I do work well with players like you and am town, but I don't really see myself inside the townbloc right now. The weird feelings around me are too strong for that.
Believe it or not, I'm actually aware of this. However, though Zx's initial misread raised my eyebrow, read your exchange in its full entirety. It looks incredibly town on both ends.In post 314, Metal Sonic wrote:Hello towns just to clear up some stuff
I have played with zzzx off site before
Since then zzzx has gotten a hardon for me and is stalking me
We have completed N games together and I always read him right
He always reads me town regardless if I was really town or scum lol
As he is stalking we are currently in X concurrent games, including this one
This is the first time he calls me scum
And people wonder why Vezok is my top-townread.In post 342, vezokpiraka wrote:ZZZX and Sonic.
Stop that fight ffs. You are both town. Go find scum.
Actually, I am. The entirety of them is lynching (mainly on policy) players that I am thinking town. Aside from Wicked, who I'm avoiding giving conclusions on for the time being. It's not that I'm not bothering to read your posts. It's thatIn post 346, Majiffy wrote:She isnt bothering to read my posts.there's nothing to be read, thus the scumread.inyour posts
The only direct questions you've given me are loaded questions. So when I have answered...yes, they've been deflecting...but deflecting the weight in a manner to unload them and leave the scales of the question/answer balanced. (That...made sense in my head?)She avoids direct questions in favor of half assed deflected answers.
Eh, I guess I can kinda see the comparison, vaguely. (Though it should be noted that as scum, I don't think I've ever used the same trick in two back-to-back games. Specifically because players will be looking for the trick in the next game, so I change things up each time. Typically, my townplay resembling a previous game = scuMastin; my scumplay resembling a previous game = masTown. Cyclic rather than static play, you could say.)This is looking a lot likd her l4d game.
And yet, you're not seeing my thoughts at all, and I'm not seeing yours at all. You're advocating the lynch of players for the most part I largely have no problems with, and your reads in general are being held tightly to your chest. There's no transparency at all. There's a lack of seeing into what you're thinking, because you're going out of your way to push things in a zero-info way. And you're not really seeing any of my thoughts. My reads, my reasons, you accused me of not reading your posts...but have you read mine? Your posting hasn't reflected that at all.In post 373, Majiffy wrote:Im gonna have to go with mastin because we think really similarly.
Thus the vote.
This guy. This guy gets it.In post 402, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:Jiffy you're usually very very vocal which I like, but here you're almost completely reactionary without initiative. What is up with that huh? Like you did not come in to this game firing out of this gate and that worries me.My academy.
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Yesbutno. Yes, there's a point to me being lazy as scum, and that's because I'm SO dang good at it that often, I slack off simply because when I put the time and effort into things, I'll basically nearly never lose a scumgame. No, me half-assing it isn't a scumtell, since, well, in spite of the above, me half-assing my play is something that actually comes from a town me more, really. It's...kinda confusing; I can't really explain it myself.In post 493, Lying Cat wrote:Every. Single. Time. I've seen Mastinscum she's half-assed her play. Is this legit or am I being aggressively paranoid?
Umm. I'm not sure about this. But I checked my role PM just now. And it's possible I'm uncle/auntie Ethyl? /knows nothing about Organic Chemistry. Like, it's possible, it's also possible I'm not; I don't know what uncle/auntie Ethyl means, I just know it's possible given my role PM that I am it.In post 408, Titus wrote:Jiffy, Are you my uncle Ethyl now?
Maybe? Won't get me resisting it. He's maybescum, maybetown, until I look at things more in-depth.In post 457, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Can we lynch MTD?
Attitude overall not alignment-indicative and could be from scum.In post 471, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:I have her firmly in my null-town pile right now. I dont think her attitude overhaul is alignment indicative at all, but it could be from scum.
Null-town.
Not computing.
Of course me saying it invalidates it, but I've kinda felt plenty-whimsical this game, and that's a good thing, not a bad one. And yeah, you are.In post 473, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Nor a ruse, nor a trick, nor a whimsy. She is being genuine about her feelings. That doesn't make her town, but reread her with this in mind? I guarantee that Im right.
(Thus the scumread because he is.)In post 476, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Majiffy is one of the few people who won't misread mastin aggressively for shit reasons.My academy.
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I vaguely remember it being the reason I scumread him in Tough Guy. Soooooo, maybe?In post 513, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Majiffy is the over-explaining/awkward/rigid feel of his posts alignment indicative or just how he sounds all the time?
Though I agree, I disagree that this means MTD suspicion is invalid altogether.
And yet, I had no problem with it.
I really don't like this post.In post 494, ZZZX wrote:[snip]
See, this is the problem. The closest I've gotten to agreeing with you is thinking (but not sure) no on Titus, thinking (and being fairly sure) no on Zx, and thinking maybe (but not sure) on Wicked. That's like a 1.5/4 if you're being extra-generous.
No, No, Maybe, Yes.In post 501, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Titus, MTD, ZZZX scumteam. Wickeddestjr
Closest they have to shit-posting is their lack of stronger presence in-thread.Nothing personal to you, Marquis and NS. But your posts this game are fucking utter shit.
As I said. Not feeling the townz.
I normally feel the townz.
Then why do I know absolutely nothing about most of your reads?In post 512, Majiffy wrote:I've been incredibly transparent, Mastin.
Show the invalid ones, then. I've explained every read that people have asked me to explain.I know not a single valid reason for one of your town reads. Not one.My academy.
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Not that hard to check, y'know. He already said he was town, there.In post 523, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:why didn't you answer the question? Was he scum or town there?
No, I have you as vaguely suspicious but maybe not.In post 526, Wickedestjr wrote:So instead you have me as your second strongest suspect.
That'd require me to actually remember the game in detail, and to do serious analysis and to also assume your play wouldn't change over the years and also assume your scumplay would be markably different and as you can see by all of these qualifiers, that kind of judgement is kinda worthless to make.2. How is my play different here? Or do you agree that I'm playing the same way?
You're a meh-read. You could be town. Could be scum. Your posting vaguely looks scum. Knowing your posting vaguely looked scum as town previously plus the wagon and reasons on you casts some doubt on it. Haven't really bothered to form a conclusion one way or the other.
Any one of these three wouldn't be a problem. Any combo of two (or all three) creates problems. Vezok hopped onto MTD's wagon--fine to dislike, except Vezok's previous vote was on me, who MTD just voted rather than voting for Vezok. He votes the person Vezok is also scumreading strongly.In post 530, MTD wrote:mastin not so much, her posting didn't get any better, just more...
VOTE: mastin
I also don't like vezok's hop onto my wagon.
My posting doesn't get any better--not true, but fine. It also hasn't gotten worse, just more of it as MTD said. That'd be fine if MTD had a marked scumread of me, OR if MTD left the comment at just that. But MTD's previous thoughts on me were, "This isn't like either of Mastin's games I've played with her, but it's especially not like her scumgame", last I checked. Meaning that if my posting was weird-but-maybe-town and hadn't changed, MTD's position also wouldn't have changed.My academy.
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Oh, heck with it.
I know there's a wagon there already, but I feel like voting there anyway.
VOTE: MTD.My academy.
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Please note that I say this with the understanding that it's not just a gun to my head, but that the hammer has been cocked and the trigger is micrometers away from launching the bullet into my head, AND that my will to live is at its all-time highest and I never more than ever want to live and that declaration is what my life depends upon.In post 533, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Mastin, gun to your head, read on Mollie?
...Got it?
Town.My academy.
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So I retain basically none of my memory from the game. But.
VOTE: Majiffy.In post 542, Majiffy wrote:
I have no idea what game you're reading but it's clearly not this one.In post 521, mastin2 wrote:Closest they have to shit-posting is their lack of stronger presence in-thread.
As I said. Not feeling the townz. I normally feel the townz.
Because you haven't been reading my posts, despite insisting that you are.In post 521, mastin2 wrote:
Then why do I know absolutely nothing about most of your reads?In post 512, Majiffy wrote:I've been incredibly transparent, Mastin.
I already have, and you still have failed to offer a valid reason for the Doduo townread.In post 521, mastin2 wrote:
Show the invalid ones, then. I've explained every read that people have asked me to explain.I know not a single valid reason for one of your town reads. Not one.
Don't really need to. This is not a town-Jiffy.My academy.
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Though this does actually look like something that looks like a town-him.In post 543, Majiffy wrote:No way TownMastin gives up a push on ScumMajiffy she's sure about to push a meh scumread on MTD.
But I explicitly said it was not exactly a readslist. Just a feels-list. Something highly fluid and in change. (Which is an important factor: reads change.) Kinda, "closer you are to the top, less concerned I am; closer you are to the bottom, more concerned I am" list. Which I suppose is vaguely reads, but not a readslist. You're vaguely suspicious but maybe not. Your position reflected that.In post 545, Wickedestjr wrote:
I don't believe you. In post 242 you posted a list of the players that had contributed. Vezok, your strongest town read iirc was at the top of the list. Doduo and ZZZX, who you labeled as definite town reads, were second and third on the list. Scrolling down, Majiffy, your vote at that point, was at the very bottom of the list. Guilty Gunsmith, another slot that you had voted, was third from the bottom. It really looked like you ordered it from most townish at top down to most scummy at bottom. My name was second from the bottom.mastin wrote:
No, I have you as vaguely suspicious but maybe not.In post 526, Wickedestjr wrote:So instead you have me as your second strongest suspect.
Hey, Wicked.In post 553, Wickedestjr wrote:But I don't think scum mastin realized that until I brought it up, even though she claims that she had remembered and was considering it.
Go look up Anything Goes.
Attack on Titan.
The early scum QT in NY 172.
Some of my thoughts in Left 4 Dead.
Also, look up Tales of Vesperia, and iso the hydra Wallduskkel; look for links near the end.
Also also, look at House Party; if not in my iso, then in the dead QT.
As scum, pinning down players is my strength. Believe me when I say. If I was scum. I most certainly would have realized that and had taken it into account. Literally every scum game of mine has been won largely because I know players, know how they think, and can set up circumstances to be beneficial to me. (After all, it takes a truly masterful scum player toclaim scum in-thread to. /still ridiculously proud of that game.) And if you look at Vesperia/House Party, you'll see they had a scum hider (well, sorta, in Vesperia). Which I ranted at the mods of those games, linking to...Armor's Tough Guy Mafia, for why it is a ridiculously-OP role that can secure scum victory in any game unless the scum player screws up. And those games, with their respective rants? Are both within REALLY recent memory, so events tied to them (such as my linking to our last game) are also fresh in mind.securevictory
I had it in mind. My alignment regardless, you can believe me on that.My academy.
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Actually, yeah! I made SIGNIFICANT progress on my webcomic's layout. Felt incredibly productive.In post 589, Speedy Saki wrote:I hope we all enjoyed our lives without mafiascum
Oh, geez, now I remember why vezok was my #1 townread.In post 567, vezokpiraka wrote:My mind is going to explode if I see more people posting about mastins thoughts. You can't outpredict her. You are literally digging a hole for yourself and you won't be able to get out.
Like, the statement itself is null. The tone and delivery of it, though, is completely and entirely town.
Lack of interaction is itself a type of interaction, btw.In post 581, vezokpiraka wrote:Also mastin interacts with her scumbuddies in some way. Here she interacted with almost nobody.
Whoah. I'm actually a counterwagon! MTD had five votes (forget who the fifth was--I can only think of Wicked being the vote changer, though), and with my unvote, now has only three.In post 582, Antihero wrote:Bipolarchemist - 1 (PeregrineV)
Guilty Gunsmith - 1 (Titus)
mastin2 - 4 (Perpetual Nonsense, MTD, Majiffy, Wickedestjr)
MTD - 4 (Speedy Saki, Guilty Gunsmith, vezokpiraka, mastin2)
Titus - 1 (pirate mollie)
Wickedestjr - 2 (Doduo, Lying Cat)
Not Voting: beastcharizard, Bipolarchemist, zabriel, ZZZX
Thing about it is that I don't remember not liking Speedy Saki (quite the opposite), vezok's my strongest townread, and AP's probably town (but eh), compared to a wagon where the only townread is Perpetual Nonsense and I've voted two of 'em and have been vaguely scumreading the third. I mean, I don't want to get all egotistical on ya, but, well...kinda hard not to think two scum there.My academy.
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Some?
(Kinda thinkin' town now.)My academy.
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Vaguely remember talking about Majiffy, but other than that, no.
(Also,
VOTE: MTD.)My academy.
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Right now? It's a trolol face thanks to L4D.In post 603, Speedy Saki wrote:Mastina I have always wanted to ask you about your avatar choice
My normal avatar, though, is the Zorbak Grin. (I'll be going back to it after the thrill of L4D has faded.) The ebil moglin was my original avatar on the original site I used the name mastin2 on. (I may have signed up on MS.net as Mastin first, but I switched to mastin2 largely because I felt more comfortable on it.) I always loved his scenes in AE games.
Now, my MS.net version has been changed, to be a member of the Cult of UberNinja. And I intend to be one of its last followers, which is why it's going back up once I feel like stopping bragging. (Admittedly, that may take a while. I'm still ridiculously proud of how I handled that cop guilty and the resulting paranoia and lack of info from it, and the whole grand plan overall, even.)
Eh, I suppose it is an objectively bad thing, 'specially since you never run up a scuMastin without her own consent (note: inability to execute a plan out of inactivity is what we like to call "implied consent" ), but it's actually quite refreshing. Last time I felt this good, it was on an alt. Plus it's good info either way.
Well, I've been scumreading him, though he has done stuff that could be vaguely town. Definitely want to hear more from you, though.what I am saying is that unless he does something SUPERDUPER town I tend to scumread him.
Ask about a player and I'll probably be able to help ya.there are a lot of players that I am unfamiliar with and I think that is why i am having a hard time orienting myself in the game.
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(Like, I just took a look. Literally the only player I've no experience with at all is SXTLHGaiden...who's inside a hydra anyway. Everyone else, experience. Admittedly, some, not much, but overall, I basically know everyone here.)My academy.
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Okay, I'll stop ignoring it and choose to actually address it.In post 608, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Mastin stop ignoring my hipster scumread on Sakiscum.
You're wrong; move on.
There, done ignoring it.
This doesn't really feel like a town response to realizing you're being wagoned.In post 610, MTD wrote:Hm, I don't remember much, but obviously I am being wagoned...
I'll be rereading.
Also, Vezok is so ridiculously town that I'm actually worried he's going to end up nightkilled. Which would really, really suck.
Always a concern about AP. This + Snork = one of the main reasons my read on AP has been not nearly as solid as it should be. Also also why Majiffy's been a strong scumread of mine; his reads have been, well...weird.In post 622, vezokpiraka wrote:@AP: Your reads are usually better. What's happening to you?My academy.
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All of them?In [url=/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5911931#p5911931]post 626[/url], Guilty Gunsmith wrote:What posts of his feel town to you?
I said it in L4D. Vezok's just the type of player who's, well. Who's extremely like me. He's incredibly easy to read for me. Like, I can look at his posts, and basically the whole time, see them and think, "Yep. That's a town-mindset." The tone behind what he says. The mindset motivating him. His whole reads. Everything. It's town. Think, "mastin, but less verbose and more subtle". Read his iso again. He's making good, solid points. He's looking at all the key areas. He's saying all the right things. Yeah, he's not me. But he's similar enough to me that I can tell he's town, more than I can with any other player. I'd basically be willing to entrust my life to him. (Thus, my concern that he'd end up nightkilled. Players that I tend to trust with my life also tend to die before I give mine. )
Hey, you're currently not a scumread, so take your victories where you can. I'd be more willing to townread you, though, if you didn't ignore my input on some of my strongest reads and take them into consideration. Now if you talked to me about my weaker reads, sure, yeah, you'd be able to influence me. But my stronger reads should be influencing how you perceive those players. Instead you're trying to undermine them. See the concern?And I get that you are committed to the whole "Lol AP could be scum cause his reads suck" routine right now, but drop that like a hot potato and ISO Vezok stat, tia.My academy.
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Huh. That's unusual.
You left out the important part of that post, though, that being the ":P" at the end. It was an important addition, since it made my intention more clear. I was choosing to ignore your read because I didn't feel it needed to be addressed. Because the read didn't really hold validity to me, and still doesn't. You confronted me about it, I counter-confronted you. You think Saki's scum, you're going to need to show it to me, since that hydra is also near the top of my town list.In [url=mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?p=5911936#p5911936]post 627[/url], Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Mastin I really fucking hate what people, yourself and possibly myself included, are doing to the site meta.Okay, I'll stop ignoring it and choose to actually address it.
You're wrong; move on.
There, done ignoring it.My academy.
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Oh, figured it out. Problem on my end I think, but I know what it is and it shouldn't exist again.My academy.
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By itself, yeah. But use the words I say there, and apply them to vezok posts I've quoted. You see them there, and should see why I see that.In post 633, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:This is all extremely abstract.
More subtle Mastin. Less compelling, but just as perceptive, perhaps even moreso. Vezok's opinions may not be compelling...but the opinions he shows are insanely town and hold merit.I found I didn't find many of Vezok's opinions very compelling.
You just called my reasoning on Vezok abstract; my posting is equally not based on concrete analysis, and I have basically the exact same train of thought. As I said. We're similar.Nothing from Vezok is based in concrete analysis and Idislikethe feels I get from his train of thought (especially on you and wickeddest).
What things do you feel strongest about?You are pushing me aside to follow your own things though.
Sadly, I'm not scum this game. But yes, I do feel I'm a good candidate for Most Cunning anyway in spite of that, since my scumgame IS amazingly strong this year. Alas.You deserve the Most Cunning nomination.
I don't think so? The letters ent appears in my PM, but I don't see a P.Are you an ENTP by chance?My academy.
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Loling is also not exactly a town response to an accusation.In post 637, MTD wrote:
lol.In post 625, mastin2 wrote:This doesn't really feel like a town response to realizing you're being wagoned.
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Control-fed my role PM with the letter P. Obviously, it comes up, but never in a place that would even remotely suggest ENTP. (Also, just checked; ent doesn't come up, though en with a later t that I can be seen becoming ent does.)In post 638, mastin2 wrote:I don't think so? The letters ent appears in my PM, but I don't see a P.My academy.
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Oh.
THAT.
We actually had this discussion in a speakeasy thread, but sadly, the best parts of it were lost in the rollback. (That, or I discussed it under my other online identity, but I coulda sworn I did it on MS.net at one point.)
I think the answer I gave then was, "Kinda?", in that it gave a good guideline but was not a complete fit. For instance, there's a stark contrast between my online and real-life selves. In-person, I'm more introverted (I'm asocial; I LOVE socializing...but absolutely SUCK at it), but since those limitations don't exist in text form, on forum environments, I'm extroverted. (You can tell I'm more introverted online, too, when it comes to chats. I typically lurk in them and occasionally pop in. When I do pop in, I'll probably have a fair amount to say, but often, I simply...don't. It's only in forums that I have the time to think and respond to everything, becoming the social beast that I am.)
I also have both sense and intuition. They're basically gut and logic, right? Well...I've held for years that the two are basically the same thing, and my world perspective on things is similar. I sense things. I have an instinctive feeling for them. Like when driving, I justknowmy speed. I've got a better natural speedometer than my cars' speedometers. (You'd think that'd be subjective, but it's not. My speedometer will tell me I'm going a speed, and those radar signs will show my true speed. Said radar signs agree with GPSes on my speed. And whenever I feel my speed, if I check it to a GPS, the GPS says I'm going more or less the speed I feel I'm going, even if the speedometer says something else. Thus, while it should be subjective, I justknowit's true.) I have a natural knack for feeling the handling of a car. The speed, the steering, I can basically create a mental profile of it all.
...And therein enters the logical part. I sense the things, but then I process them intuitively. I have this way of instantly analyzing the things I see and basically going through things logically.
To explain this, think of...art. There's basically two ways that you can go about art, and they fit into the two types. One is to follow the strokes, the flow, of things. How objects move. Dynamic tracking. How things go. It's not "making it up as you go along", but it is building things naturally, with an idea in your head that you bring to life on the paper, bit by bit, by bringing things out.
The other way to go about it is more geometrically. Mathematically. Like an architect, you can create lines and shapes. You build things like a structure. And then layer them out, bit by bit, piece by piece. It's not static and stale, but it is organized, precise, and deliberate. Two separate approaches. But for my art, I've found that I'm at my strongest as an artist when the two merge together. You can already tell in my descriptions of the two alone that they have overlap, no? That the two separate art approaches have a great degree of similarity, of planning vs doing, of on-the-paper vs on-the-head. And my way is to do both at the same time.
I feel things. I process things. And to me, that really covers the others as well. I think things, and feel the conclusion. I feel something, then think of why I feel that way. (For instance, if I have a craving for food, that's a feeling. Then I askwhyI'm craving that food, and through knowledge, can generally get what my body's asking for. Craving steak? I probably need protein.)
So really, I feel as if seeing things through the eyes of the ENTP world is too narrow. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, going through the list.
Does describe me. Though I should note that I LOVE smaller communities, because that more intimate feeling makes me feel like family to them.ENTPs gain energy through interactions with people or objects in the outside world. They tend to enjoy having a wide circle of acquaintances.
Also more accurate than not. Because I DO think of things in more abstract terms, and when it comes to stories, am very good at getting the bigger picture down. And I do have my head in the clouds when it comes to the future. Buuuuuuuuuuuuuuut, it should be noted...I'm VERY good at picking up the details of OTHERS. My own details, I SUCK at pinning down, but others, I'm awesome at.N – Intuition preferred to sensing: ENTPs tend to be more abstract than concrete. They focus their attention on the big picture rather than the details, and on future possibilities rather than immediate realities.
And this one? This one's more false than true. Because I am a very, VERY subjective person. I do what I feel like doing, rather than what is objectively the best thing to do. Yeah, sure! I'll weigh them in my head. I'll think how I feel. And I'll think about the facts of the situation. Most lylos are actually a debate between think vs. feel, and ultimately I do a LOT of thinking in the lylo, but I often place FAR more into feeling than should be for a T. I suppose it applies for others, though. When thinking about plans, well...that's kinda what I'm good at doing.T – Thinking preferred to feeling: ENTPs tend to value objective criteria above personal preference. When making decisions, they generally give more weight to logic than to social considerations
More true than not, but as noted, I'm impulsive. REALLY impulsive. I tend to not jump to conclusions. I am reserved. I like to take my time. Think things through. Analyze. But sometimes?P – Perception preferred to judgment: ENTPs tend to withhold judgment and delay important decisions, preferring to "keep their options open" should circumstances change.
...No, make that basically most of the time?
Ultimately, I just say, "Ah, screw it," and jump right in.
(Note that I have been diagnosed as being bipolar. And that might influence some of this.)
Well, I certainly fancy myself as most of these. I tend not to think myself the inventor of new ideas...but I DO see myself as being an innovator for the application OF them. I like to own, be the originator, of things. I also have a tendency to rules lawyer. (At least I used to, when I was of the mindset that playing to win was the more important half of the equation.) I was ALWAYS a highly-adventurous child, and I most CERTAINLY am a visionary. So basically most of these do define me.The ENTP has been described variously as the innovator, the originator, the lawyer, the inventor, the explorer, and the visionary. ENTPs also fall into the general categories of thinkers, rationals, and engineers.
Oh, yes. Most certainly. I see the strings of people, and how they are woven. However...the thing is, I see these things for others. I've NEVER been able to integrate myself into them. It's actually been a point of frustration in my life. Imagine having near-perfect clarity of...everything. A seeming omnipotence for how humans work, and social interactions, and seeing others happy and knowing how they got there and understanding it and having everything there. Knowledge. Understanding.ENTPs are quick to see complex interrelationships between people, things, and ideas. These interrelationships are analyzed in profound detail through the ENTPs auxiliary function, introverted thinking (Ti). The result is an in-depth understanding of the way things and relationships work, and how they can be improved.
...But being stuck on the outside, unable to apply it for yourself. (It should be noted that while I've never been diagnosed [mostly out of choice], I've been suspected of having high-functioning autism most of my life, which may contribute.)
However, this? Doesn't fit. Not even remotely. I couldn't care less how competent or intelligent a person is. I do care about it in myself, rather, I fear the lack of it and am always striving to make sure I have it, but that doesn't seem to really fit.To the ENTP, competence and intelligence are particularly prized, both in themselves and in other people.
I've been called brilliant my whole life if that matters. But verbally quick? No, not really. If I've got a speech? I'll nail it. I'm a masterful actor if I've memorized my script. But if I've run through my lines yet don't have them down? Heck no. I suck. Again, problems not present online. My typing speed I suppose does make me verbally quick, because I've got an insanely-high WPM count. I do see myself as incredibly flexible, EXTREMELY loyal (I do NOT like breaking my word, and seeing people I care about drift away HURTS), and am incredibly resourceful, soyeah, there's that.ENTPs are frequently described as clever, cerebrally and verbally quick, enthusiastic, outgoing, innovative, flexible, loyal, and resourceful.
Okay, this is spot-on.ENTPs are motivated by a desire to understand and improve the world they live in. They are usually accurate in sizing up a situation. They may have a perverse sense of humor and sometimes play devil's advocate, which can create misunderstandings with friends, coworkers, and family. ENTPs are ingenious and adept at directing relationships between means and ends. ENTPs devise fresh, unexpected solutions to difficult problems. However, they are less interested in generating and following through with detailed plans than in generating ideas and possibilities.
I guess? I really suck at teamwork in real life, and in mafia games, I'm generally best at smoothing things out, so maybe, maybe not.In a team environment, ENTPs are most effective in a role where they can draw on their abilities to offer deep understanding, a high degree of flexibility, and innovative solutions to problems.
This one's definitely true, though.The ENTP regards a comment like "it can't be done" as a personal challenge, and, if properly motivated, will spare no effort to discover a solution.
Well...yeah.A ENTP could consider everything above to be only ones personal interpretation.
For certain definitions, yes. I'm highly pragmatic, but also highly stubborn. I generally am really good at giving good info, but I have to deliver it effectively. (My words are always helpful, it's just that they have to be coherent in-speech and readable online.) And expressive, heck yeah, I'm a ridiculously large ham in real life if you give me the chance.Inventors are introspective, pragmatic, informative, and expressive.
Well, I am pursuing a degree in engineering, so there's that. Not sure drafting is the type of engineering they're talking about, though.They can become highly skilled in functional engineering and invention.
Depends--resistant to how things were done in the past by others? Yep! I don't care. Resistant to how things have been done in the past by me? Heck no, I'm a creature of extreme habit and absolutely HATE it being broken.Of all the role variants, Inventors are the most resistant to doing things a certain way just because it was done that way in the past.
Sure, I guess.Intensely curious, Inventors are always looking for new projects to work on, and they have an entrepreneurial character. Designing and improving mechanisms and products is a constant goal of Inventors.
Full of ideas, sure. Focusing pragmatically on only the more realistic ones becoming reality, sure. But this is for story ideas, with me as a writer. Don't think that's what they had in mind.Though full of ideas, Inventors are primarily interested in those that can be put into action or used to make products.
Don't think so.For example, they see product design as a means to an end, the goal being a marketable prototype.
Eh, more true than not.When beginning a project, they rarely start with a blueprint. Rather they are confident in their ability to find effective and pragmatic solutions during the design process.
Most of the time, yeah, 'cept when my temper flares. (Also, conversationalist is only for my online self.)Inventors tend to be laid back, nonjudgmental, and good conversationalists.
Yep!They are often nonconformists who attract a circle of friends interested in their ideas or activities.
Okay, this one's spot-on.Generally informative rather than directive in their social exchanges, Inventors are often able to explain their own complicated ideas well, and to comprehend the complex ideas of others.
Surprisingly, yeah.In arguments they may use debating skills, often to the significant disadvantage of their opponent.
A fact that I'm aware of, thus why this part fails since, well, I know it and try to not fight people.This strategy can backfire, however, by alienating those seeking a cooperative relationship rather than a combative one.
I say that I can. History shows that's iffy.Inventors are usually ingenious individuals who are capable of rising to meet the demands of challenging situations.
I've always thought I'd make a good leader, but I don't actually see it working.In work, they tend to be good leaders of pilot products that test their abilities.
Drive, yes. Social skills, not so much. Not in-person, anyway.Constantly looking for new ways to do things, Inventors usually have the drive and the social skills to implement their ideas.
I could go on, but you get the idea:
Probably the closest personality type to being accurate, but...not all-encompassing of me.My academy.
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...That. Probably shoulda been spoilered.My academy.
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In post 643, mastin2 wrote:I could go on.So further reflection is "probably the best fit, and highly accurate, but not a full encapsulation of me".Spoiler: And decided to anyway :PMy academy.
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Also kinda lacking the proper words to respond to this, but there's no forcedness. It IS a valid concern.In post 642, MTD wrote:
lol again.In post 639, mastin2 wrote:
Loling is also not exactly a town response to an accusation.In post 637, MTD wrote:
lol.In post 625, mastin2 wrote:This doesn't really feel like a town response to realizing you're being wagoned.
Sorry but there is a type of accusation that is so forced that I just can't take it seriously.
Pressure exists.
Responding to pressure is a key way to help read players.
The way you're responding to pressure doesn't look town.
When called out on it, you saying 'lol' was also not a town response, because basically, posting just a "lol" is something that, well. Kinda often comes from a scum player who simply doesn't have a response. There are town ways to respond to an idea you think is ridiculous as town. Typing 'lol' is not one of them. 'lol' has its place in a town player's vocabulary, as does the lol-emote, but not there during that time.
Know the type of response I'd have expected?
None at all.
Or if one is given?
"Meh."
"No."
"Whut?"
And the like.
Other similar not-necessarily-scum-but-definitely-not-town responses include, "You serious?" and "You joking?"
It's basically mindset/tone and all that. Town players shrug it off, knowing it's not really anything. Scum players are dismissive of it as being ridiculous.
Is this a rock-solid tell, heck no. Is it an indicator, I think so.My academy.
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Actually, as a personal thing, it should've been in my GTKAS. (Which you can find as the ":P" link in my sig.)In post 664, Speedy Saki wrote:That should've been in your academy not in this game urgh
Wait, they're not the same?!?In post 671, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:Are you describing my townplay or my sex life?
...Dammit!
Except 'lol' is explicitly being dismissive of it? I'm talking about the accusation, not the initial reaction to the wagon.In post 655, Majiffy wrote:
"lol." looks a lot like "shrugging it off".In post 648, mastin2 wrote:It's basically mindset/tone and all that. Town players shrug it off, knowing it's not really anything. Scum players are dismissive of it as being ridiculous.
Is this a rock-solid tell, heck no. Is it an indicator, I think so.
We can be and I'm considering it but I currently just so happen to find it unlikely.In post 665, Speedy Saki wrote:Why can't mastin + majiffy both be town?
Can see that.
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(You're underestimating Mastin, considering I was the scumbag pulling the strings for that entire game. How Majiffy acted and even my own death were part of my scum plan for victory. It takes a good scum player to not get lynched. It takes an amazing scum player to have your lynch be beneficial to your team as mine was.)In post 725, Speedy Saki wrote:From l4d2 you as scum made me eat my own sh*t, but I couldn't say the same for mastin. Maybe I'm underestimating mastin.
I'm not going to say it's pretty par for him, but I will say that beastcharizard is the type of player who becomes much easier to read when given a bit more time to read him. (Which is saying that it could be pretty par for him. )In post 688, Guilty Gunsmith wrote:I get the feeling that someone is going to make a post along the lines of
"Eh 684 is pretty par for Charmeleon", so Im going to preemptively derail that by telling you to buzz off.
Majiffy might actually be town.
Also, Bipolar Chemist's posting here isn't giving me the same townvibes it gave me last game. (Granted, that game I was scum, but still.)My academy.
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Knowing Antihero, I knew what would happen, but I decided, "eh, might as well look anyway for the lulz".In post 748, BipolarChemist wrote:AWW I TOTALY LOOKED GOSH
I was not disappointed.
Forgot to comment on this before. I took my foot off the gas pedal because of others who I also trust when it comes to Jiffy giving me pause, combined with catching glimpses of what could be his town self. The read needs time to simmer over. Overall, I'd say he's still in the scum heap, but not nearly as strongly as he was; the read needs time to develop.In post 732, Perpetual Nonsense wrote:mastin let's talk about jiffy because you took your foot off the gas pedal
Took me time to remember, too, since it was my mark-of-shame scumgame. (Which was mainly a mark of shame for ~reasons~. A fair number personal.)In post 744, BipolarChemist wrote:I played a game with you Mastin?!?! Oh shit I dont even remember!
Butyeah. This doesn't feel like the you I encountered in 172.
I probably should compile a 'readslist' again soonish.My academy.
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vezokpiraka
pirate mollie
Speedy Saki (Saki + Metal Sonic)
Perpetual Nonsense (Bert and SXTLHGaiden)
ZZZX (roughly equal to Doduo, though)
Doduo (notscience + Marquis)
PeregrineV
Titus
Guilty Gunsmith (Snork + AngryPidgeon)
zabriel (might be higher, Majiffy's alignment depending)
beastcharizard
Lying Cat (Jingle + sthar8)
Wickedestjr (about on par with Majiffy in terms of waffling)
Majiffy
Bipolarchemist
MTD
Something like this. Positions VERY highly fluid, though.My academy.
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