Marvel Avengers Alliance - Game over

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Aunt Jemima

Can I count on you to be town this game?

[PeregrineV]

Also, from the Marvel Super Heroes role playing game.

Altered Humans (normal people who acquired powers, such as Spider-Man or the Fantastic Four)
High-Tech Wonders (normal people whose powers come from devices, e.g., Iron Man)
Mutants (persons born with superpowers, such as the X-Men)
Robots (created beings such as the Vision and Ultron)
Aliens (a blanket term used to cover non-humans, including extra-dimensional beings such as Thor and Hercules).

[PeregrineV]

Ok, 1 point for PeregrineV (who has a broken link in his sig) and 1 point for Squirrel Girl.

Fixed.

[PeregrineV]

Welcome back Pappums, good to have you playing again!!

[PeregrineV]

This isn't going to get me anywhere, is it? I might as well put my vote on scum.

VOTE: Umbrage

I like your conviction!!

Vote: Umbrage

[PeregrineV]

I don't really like the late rvs votes, primarily from pidgey and pv.

Pv's is worse since its on an existing sort-of-wagon.

vote: pv

Late RVS vote? Where?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Aunt Jemima

Can I count on you to be town this game?

VOTE: PeregrineV.

Though I am in fact town, you are not. You are pulling the same opener as last game and expecting me to townread you for it. You are also far more active early-on than the sweet-Grinny I am used to seeing.

Which game was that? Last one I remember I was town and town-read you, and you flipped it.

The one before was in the dark days when you were scum, and caused me to always want to know if you are scum or town like really early in the game.

And active? I think I have 4 posts, but thank you!!

[PeregrineV]

Something that is REALLY bothering me is Aunt J. She calls out PV for his entrance, PV comes into the thread again and ignores her, and she just acts like it hasn't happened in the next post. It's bizarre behaviour - surely if you were calling someone out in the manner which she did PV, you expect some kind of response, and flip your shit when you're ignored?

Not so much. There is a history there (220), whereas she is one of the first I try to figure out. In turn I either expect her to be cautious in trying to figure me out, or worried that I'm focusing on her.

[PeregrineV]

Voting umbrage in 120. You playing dumb bro?

Why would you think that is a random vote? My random vote was here (3).

[PeregrineV]

So to be clear you are going with the "this was a serious vote" angle? Bold.

Yes, it was, and not sure why it was bold.

[PeregrineV]

3 Aronis
6 Aunt Jemina
8 Kid A
10 BulbaFenix (Bulbazak/Fenix Hydra)
12 UniversalSlutBus (Alexcellent/JKMatthews hydra)
15 Mutleyddmc
16 mozamis
19 pappums rat
20 SnakePlissken

People i had to check to see who else was in the game.

Snake hasn't posted at all I think, and will probably be replaced.

Mutley though....

[PeregrineV]

Only been two days and he's only had an RVS vote.

Fire in the hole!

Vote: Mutlety

[PeregrineV]

I'm bugged that people are choosing to dismiss how I caught Yates by just calling the conversation "silly" without actually providing any validity to the claim that it's silly.

I CAUGHT SCUM! Why does everyone always ignore me?

Silly is an opinion. Yates calling the conversation silly doesn't mean it is silly, nor does it mean he's scum.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE BEAST CHARIZARD

His reasons for his reads look like bollocks.

Just finished 2 games with him as town and he looks exactly the same as he does now. Take it for what it's worth, but don't think he's scum.

[PeregrineV]

Ok. So if its a serious vote - why are you voting umbrage then?

Because of this series of events.
Self-vote. (53)
Questioned. (108)
Pointed out as to meta. (114)
Answered. (128)
Evaluated. (144)

Hey everyone.

VOTE: Umbrage

@umbrage: Care to comment why you self voted?

Hey Umbrage. Still self voting I see

@umbrage: Care to comment why you self voted?

tradition

Standouts for me at the moment are
Umbrage: Self voting at that point in the game, then still not having changed it seems noncommittal. Fairly astute observation on the Yates/Nero probably being town v town though, so more of a town read for me.
~JKM

My feelings on it.
53- Never a fan. Basic implication is that you want to lynch yourself in a game where the lynch is used to try and lynch the mafia team, meaning you are mafia.
108- Questioned it in a neutral manner. Not an attack or accusation, but inquiring as to the reason behind it. Feel like this is the most town thing about all this.
114- Volunteered meta to the effect that Umbrage always does this. Considering his self-vote earned him votes, feel like it was a defense of sorts on a player whom there would have been no read. scumpoint for Moz, even if only a minor one.
128- Gave his reason. No read adjustment, but not a fan of self-votes in RVS.
144- Given a townread for self-voting and not changing it (and Yates/Nero stuff). Since I see nothing town about self-voting, or keeping it there, not sure how this contributed to the townread. And it obviously did, or it wouldn't be mentioned.

(who you aren't voting anymore because you swapped to voting a lurker)

Umbrage posting/play itself is not coming across as scummy, so I'll keep an eye on him (and Moz and Slut) while moving on.

And your attack of my vote on him gives you a special eyeball too, but I'll assume you can figure that out from the entire post.

[PeregrineV]

Really why? Which mods give that sort of advantage to scum? If they are going to give an advantage to scum like that, why even give character names in the first place. Why would a mod go through all the trouble to create a game, such as this one, with a theme, that was made clear was Marvel Avengers Alliance vs. People outside the Marvel Universe and then give fake claims to the non marvel characters?
and more importantly, What would make predetermined fake claims necessary for this game?

Games are generally designed not to be broken by flavor. That means that making all of the mafia the villains of whatever theme and then not giving them fakeclaims would make the game unfair and not fun to play. In most flavor-based games, fakeclaims are given to non-town roles.

In Jason games (this mod), that is always the case.

[PeregrineV]

Is there any reason to believe that KidA's Wolverine claim isn't true, or that he is scum?
Because so far, all I see from his play is weak wagon hopping from an inexperienced player who has self admitted that he isn't yet able to come to his own conclusions, but has proven that he is willing to jump on whatever seems popular at the time.

He could be Wolverine.

The point is more to his reaction. He thinks he got the worse character ever in the history of the Marvel Universe.

Many players do not like to play scum, so scum has a higher incidence of complaining about their roles.

If you liken it to Kid_A, he could have been complaining about being a scum role, realized his mistake, and used his fakeclaim.

Or used his real rolename, but still be mafia.

Basically, his character does not clear him either way.

[PeregrineV]

Stop talking about fakeclaims ffs. I had to read two pages of non-sense.

PeregrineV is giving me some bad vibes.His posts where he explains his umbrage vote feels as a very weak reason to vote someone. I'd expect town Pere to try to find scum not hunt Umbrage.

So is Umbrage scum?

And if my reason is weak to you, then ignore 512 and use this "I voted him because he gave me bad vibes."

[PeregrineV]

Day 1 Vote Count 6

Pidgey 5 -,Umbrage,The Rufflig,jklash12,displaced,Kid A,
The Rufflig 4 - Aronis,vezokpiraka,pidgey,Chandra Nalaar,
beastcharizard 3 - Mutleyddmc,ThAdmiral,mozamis,
Yates 3 - Nero Cain,ZZZX,Squirrel Girl,
Umbrage 2 - beastcharizard,UniversalSlutBus,
ZZZX 2 - pappums rat,Aunt Jemina,
Squirrel Girl 2 - UnfriendlyNeighbors,Yates,
Mutleyddmc 1 - PeregrineV,
mozamis 1 - Josh_B,

Not Voting

BulbaFenix,
SnakePlissken,

Also, bad wagons:
Pidgey
Rufflig
Beast
Yates
Umbrage
Squirrel

[PeregrineV]

Day 1 Vote Count 6

Pidgey 5 -,Umbrage,The Rufflig,jklash12,displaced,Kid A,
The Rufflig 4 - Aronis,vezokpiraka,pidgey,Chandra Nalaar,
beastcharizard 3 - Mutleyddmc,ThAdmiral,mozamis,
Yates 3 - Nero Cain,ZZZX,Squirrel Girl,
Umbrage 2 - beastcharizard,UniversalSlutBus,
ZZZX 2 - pappums rat,Aunt Jemina,
Squirrel Girl 2 - UnfriendlyNeighbors,Yates,
Mutleyddmc 1 - PeregrineV,
mozamis 1 - Josh_B,

Not Voting

BulbaFenix,
SnakePlissken,

Also, bad wagons:
Pidgey
Rufflig
Beast
Yates
Umbrage
Squirrel

Isn't that everyone that isn't oZZZXo??

You and Mutley and moz. Of course, those are just existing wagons. I think there are better players to vote.

[PeregrineV]

You and Mutley and moz. Of course, those are just existing wagons. I think there are better players to vote.

Then why aren't you voting them?

406

[PeregrineV]

JoshB and/or PV, you were speculating about Kid A claiming wolverine. With him saying this, would this make him a bad lynch because of the uncertainty of his role or would it make him a good lynch because he claimed as he did?

Thanks

I feel like I answered this, but maybe I didn't.

A KidA lynch should should have nothing to do with his Wolverine claim.

[PeregrineV]

Why the fuck did someone shoot aronis now.
There were so many better targets.

Are all Daykillers town sided? I have never been in a game with one and at first I thought it was a modkill.

No.

[PeregrineV]

My point precisely. You are expecting me to townread you for playing the same way you did as town last game.

Yeah, no. I play too many games to ever try anything like that.

Don't really care if you townread me or not. How and if you do so will be used by me to determine your alignment.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: Josh_B.

I realize that my reads may not be exactly clear. Unfortunately I have neither the time nor energy to create a reads list, however, I will answer what my read on a specific player is and why on request. (Mainly townreads of various strength.) However, three reads that I feel the need to comment on: I feel as if there is precisely one scum between Ragey, Vezzy, and Grinny. If I were to guess right now, it would be Grinny.

You forgot Joshy B. You know, the one you're voting.

[PeregrineV]

Just an FYI/prod dodge, JKM is out of town for the week and I'm having internet issues, most likely won't be able to post til tomorrow or Tuesday.

Alexcellent

I want you to be town, but I think you might be scum.

Why?

[PeregrineV]

@XXYYZZ- What posts of yours are being ignored?

[PeregrineV]

Just an FYI/prod dodge, JKM is out of town for the week and I'm having internet issues, most likely won't be able to post til tomorrow or Tuesday.

Alexcellent

I want you to be town, but I think you might be scum.

Why?

You would know the answer to that more than I would. Why do you want me to be town?

I want you to be town because I hoping for minds that work differently that can challenge me to see differently, since I don;t think I;ve ever played with either head.

I think you might be scum because I disagree with with your Beast vote (minor), and 370 has no comments on the previous 5 pages and also prewarns us that the game is too large so yuor activity is going to drop (major). It gets a little better with 715, but only barely.

[PeregrineV]

Why am I missing the whole Rufflig=scum thing? Did he slip and post his role PM or something?

[PeregrineV]

Why am I missing the whole Rufflig=scum thing? Did he slip and post his role PM or something?

All his posts scream of scum.
Cautious scum and way too thoughtful. There is literally no town emotion coming from him.

I read the first 26 posts, and it seems pretty clear to me that he's saying pidgey's reason for voting displaced changed, in his opinion. He calls pidgey scum for it, and then has to defend this position from Nero and Chandra.

Nothing particularly scummy there yet. I'll keep looking, but.......

[PeregrineV]

Fair enough if you disagree with the vote I guess, didn't disagree enough to say anything at the time?
JKM made it fairly clear that there wasn't anything worth commenting on. Up to that point the thread was basically just a shitfight between Squirrel and Yates.
I'm not sure I see what's scummy in saying that he is likely going to be fairly inactive. Is it the inactivity that's bothering you or the head's up that he's going to be inactive?

I don't comment on every vote made. I might if I feel like I have something to say. If I comment or not,the action taken may affect my reads.

I don't care about Limited Access. I find thread-shitting (or more accurately, complaining about a mafia game in terms of it's players, activity, content etc.) to be very popular among scum. It allows them to minimize their activity (because they hate the thread) until they need to come back in. It's like a license to lurk (because the thread confuses them), and I feel like your statement was a setup for than sort of behavior.

[PeregrineV]

I think a better question for peregrine is why do you think UniversalSlot is scum? I dont really have a read there.

I usually, correctly or incorrectly, hold hydras to a higher standard of posting quantity.

UniversalSlutBus and UnfiendlyNeighbors both have 12-13 posts between 4 players.

That always concerns me.

What about your Unfriendly read?

And is your Universal read based on null posts, or posting that leans town and scum?

[PeregrineV]

Just a quick note since im at work and on phone, but i've played other jason themed super hero games.

DC universe for example.

And scum always had a fake claim. So i'd go with the idea that they wouuld have fake claims here too. For all we know, there could be 2 scum teams too, since many jason games of this size i played had 2 scum teams (DC universe, WWE 1.0, WWE 2.0)

Here is where I was able to find it. All of the conversation plus and minus a page is here. I think Yates was the first one to mention it earlier in the DP.

That was mentioned 300 posts before 742. Why would you word it that way based on a single post 15 pages before?

[PeregrineV]

@pidgey- you can ISO them. They don't have much words. The posts are big-looking because they quote.

[PeregrineV]

Cabdhead is gonna datamine this and catch up officially tomorrow, so hold me to it.

OK.

Vote: UnfriendlyNeighbors

[PeregrineV]

That was mentioned 300 posts before 742. Why would you word it that way based on a single post 15 pages before?

Because it didn't occur to me how to use the information at the time.
Because I hadn't reread the DP yet.
Because my association reads weren't lining up with my scum reads.
Considering the possibility of two scum teams made more sense when reading minor players and questionable posts that contradicted with the patterns of other players.
Occam's Razor
I don't know what to call the scum teams yet. I have it in my notes as Team1 and Team2. (NO I won't show you my notes. They'll probably get me killed +we only get one lynch per day and I've probably already said too much).
Publicly disclosing certain suspicions is a way to confirm or deny those suspicions based on the reactions of other players. i.e. my methods of scumhunting.
Is your concern over me suspecting two teams, or is it over the people I've FoS'd? And why draw attention away from the FoS'd suspects? Do you not find the FoS's adequate enough to prove the likelyhood of my suspicion?

Games of this size can have 2 teams. But, until a scumflip of Mafia A or Blue Mafia or some distinguishing characteristic, the general assumption is only one team.
Why?
Because town can't really do anything about it, until they know, and maybe not even then.
So, if you had said that because the 2-team discussion was fresh on your mind, then I get it.
But it seemed more in the nature of a slip.

[PeregrineV]

specifics-

That was mentioned 300 posts before 742. Why would you word it that way based on a single post 15 pages before?

Because it didn't occur to me how to use the information at the time.

That was my question. How did it pop into your brain at post 742, "2 teams! Squirrrel is on one!"

Because I hadn't reread the DP yet.

DP? Death post? What info in it points to 2 teams?

Because my association reads weren't lining up with my scum reads.

Reads are reads not facts. Not sure how associations not lining up lead to "2 teams!" and not "my scumreads might be wrong".

Considering the possibility of two scum teams made more sense when reading minor players and questionable posts that contradicted with the patterns of other players.

No flips except a VT. No patterns exist except between unknown players and a single town player. Not getting this.

Occam's Razor

Simplest reason? I'm asking why it came up in your brain at post 742. I don't see evidence of it.

I don't know what to call the scum teams yet. I have it in my notes as Team1 and Team2. (NO I won't show you my notes. They'll probably get me killed +we only get one lynch per day and I've probably already said too much).

This is the first we are hearing that you suspect multiball.

Publicly disclosing certain suspicions is a way to confirm or deny those suspicions based on the reactions of other players. i.e. my methods of scumhunting.

Yes, I get that. If you are looking for scum, makes sense. If you are looking for scum on the other team, then that makes you scum.

Is your concern over me suspecting two teams, or is it over the people I've FoS'd? And why draw attention away from the FoS'd suspects?

The two teams thing. Don't know who you have FoS'ed.
Since my attention wasn't on your suspects, I doubt it's moving away from them. Plus multitaksing FTW.

Do you not find the FoS's adequate enough to prove the likelyhood of my suspicion?

Umm, no? Not sure what this means in relation to my question.

[PeregrineV]

@Josh

(780)- I think I get what you are saying. If you re-read the game from a two team standpoint, then your posting makes sense.

[PeregrineV]

An explanation will need to wait until after I have gotten caught up. However, the basic is that Joshy has shown trends that I strongly associate with coming from a sour player of somewhat-low experience.

A pretty deep explanation of this will be necessary if you want me to accept this.

[PeregrineV]

Top 4 wagons suck.

[PeregrineV]

Top 4 wagons suck.

What's your top pick then?

UnfriendlyNeighbors. A hydra of Mastin/Nero (who have, in games this size put up more posts than some complete Newbie games) with nothing to say is not VT or a town PR. They are scum.

[PeregrineV]

I didn't see this:

Secondly, I suspect that at least one team already had this information.

Likely both teams would know if this is multifaction since typically each team is given a role that is expressly designed to find a member of another faction. Again, look at WWE 2.0 and check out the role pm for Scott Hall. Plus, if you are in a game this size, you are scum, and you only have 2 or 3 buddies? Chances are pretty much 100% there's another team out there so the logic isn't all that hard.

Shit, ignore my point about scum not knowing about another scum team then. I could have sworn in DR Who mafia (Jason large game), when I was scum, we didnt know there was another scum team until day 2, but I wasnt in the game very much.
Either way, Josh is so likely town it doesnt matter.

I was scum in the game and we knew there was another as soon as we got our PMs. It was 24 players and there were 3 of us.

[PeregrineV]

Cabdhead is gonna datamine this and catch up officially tomorrow, so hold me to it.

OK.

Vote: UnfriendlyNeighbors

Cool, call me when you place a real fucking vote.

Unfriendly looks townish, even if a little too safe at times, wish he'd gave more stand out points.

That's the problem. I have a hard time believing that Cabd as town would be playing it safe.

-Bulba

Considering Cabd hasn't made any posts of real substance either, I wouldn't say he's been playing it safe. Most of them have been me.

I'm still back on page 15, but planning on powering through tonight and tomorrow hopefully.

VOTE: Josh

I'm putting our vote here for the time being for the multiball comment. I think Cabd will agree until we sync up properly at least, time will tell.

This will be informative.

[PeregrineV]

My primary qualm about UN being scum is "if they were scum, would they really suck this badly?" They're better than this either way, though.

So if they are constantly better either way, then it can be safely ignored. Look only at their content. Is the qualm still there?

[PeregrineV]

@Mala

- Just fiinished your 919.

In your 10-page catchup, despite her having 9% of the total posts to date, you gave no read on Squirrel Girl except to questions Nero's 134 about her being "spammy". You seemed to indicate in another game you did not find her so.

Reading your 919, Squireel Girl stuill has about 9% of the total game posts. And Squirrel Girl is not mentioned once, or twcie, or three times, but a grand total of ZERO times.

First time, maybe she didn't post enough (false) or it was intelligible (false) or contentless (???). But if so, you would think she would at least be mentioned in your Yates evaluation, since that's been the bulk of his

tunneling

focus so far today. (You said [about Yates] "The tunneling on SQ/NC is getting old pretty fast.", to be exact, but that was classified as "getting old", so I can't really count that as trying to determine alignment).

But, between posts 250-919, Squirrel Girl once again has NO COMMENTABLE CONTENT. Not even enough to say null, not even enough to agree or disagree with any of her posts, statements, stances.

I'll get around to the rest of my responses to your reads later, but considering this is not even a lurker and you've avoided comment on her twice has defined a relationship in my mind. The scumflip of either of you, I feel, will indicate a scumflip on the other one.

But, I will double-fact-check this by looking up Squirrel's interaction/position on both you and Pappum's Rat, and vice versa. Plus, you made more posts, so let's see what's there too.

[PeregrineV]

Mala, in your last post you gave a reads list, why was the whole playerbase not on it?

It wasn't *really* a full read base. It was reads that I was getting after being fully caught up from reading the 11-current.

Good on Nero for calling you out on it.

Need to go see who else is not on the list.

[PeregrineV]

ok so why do you hate me?

It has to be the avatar.

A RPG wielding dinosaur riding a shark is so cool it engenders instant jealousy in any who see it.

And remorse that we didn't think of it first.

[PeregrineV]

I know this is a little late for a thought but oh well. Can daykillers not post their kill in thread? Why would a town aligned daykiller not do that? It seems they had intentions to claim after doing the kill so claiming and shooting at the same time would have made a lot more sense.

I really need someone to respond to that because my logic might be off.

Viomi seems pretty town to me. I don't remember who they replaced though. I think it was the dog avatar though.

It could go both ways. A recent Jason game (Wresting?) had one scumteam kill during the day (not posted in the thread) and another that killed at night.

There was a town vig that had a dayshot that submitted by PM (You can be anyone?)

There was also a scum vig that submitted by PM (Titus played that role- Gundam Seed maybe?)

I'll have to go look, but I like your point.

[PeregrineV]

A few people have asked similar questions and to date jklash hasn't answered them, or has answered them but with unsatisfying answers such as "I got jumpy".

One Mini I was in I was scum dayvig (1-shot). My balancing factor was that I had to shoot before a certain time into day1 of the game.

[PeregrineV]

No to Rufflig wagon.

@UnfriendlyNeighbors

- The vote was at your request. If you needed/wanted it for impetus, why are you "not liking" my doing what you asked?

@Squirrel

- Comments on players other than Pidgey, Yates?

No to Josh B wagon.

[PeregrineV]

Only if we get a sappy nickname.

Undies.

[PeregrineV]

JESUS FUCK!

JESUS FUCK!

Fixed that for you.

[PeregrineV]

@Mala

- Just fiinished your 919.

In your 10-page catchup, despite her having 9% of the total posts to date, you gave no read on Squirrel Girl except to questions Nero's 134 about her being "spammy". You seemed to indicate in another game you did not find her so.

Reading your 919, Squireel Girl stuill has about 9% of the total game posts. And Squirrel Girl is not mentioned once, or twcie, or three times, but a grand total of ZERO times.

First time, maybe she didn't post enough (false) or it was intelligible (false) or contentless (???). But if so, you would think she would at least be mentioned in your Yates evaluation, since that's been the bulk of his

tunneling

focus so far today. (You said [about Yates] "The tunneling on SQ/NC is getting old pretty fast.", to be exact, but that was classified as "getting old", so I can't really count that as trying to determine alignment).

But, between posts 250-919, Squirrel Girl once again has NO COMMENTABLE CONTENT. Not even enough to say null, not even enough to agree or disagree with any of her posts, statements, stances.

I'll get around to the rest of my responses to your reads later, but considering this is not even a lurker and you've avoided comment on her twice has defined a relationship in my mind. The scumflip of either of you, I feel, will indicate a scumflip on the other one.

But, I will double-fact-check this by looking up Squirrel's interaction/position on both you and Pappum's Rat, and vice versa. Plus, you made more posts, so let's see what's there too.

Who cares? I haven't had much to say about Squirrel Girl either, she has been pretty uncommentworthy and skippable.

Does that in itself say anything to you?
If I go back and look, do you have a strong townread on her?

Mala, in your last post you gave a reads list, why was the whole playerbase not on it?

It wasn't *really* a full read base. It was reads that I was getting after being fully caught up from reading the 11-current.

Good on Nero for calling you out on it.

Need to go see who else is not on the list.

What would this means to you? I wasn't on it, but I didn't care.

If something *should* be said about the player and wasn't, then I'll be all like "Why not?"

[PeregrineV]

Im still pretty sure about my solid town reads in this game. The more Moz posts the more i reflect my reasoning with his own.

Im sure its not scum with this slot.

Yo pidgey, the English language fascinates me.

How is your bolded sentence better or more appropriate than saying "I'm sure he's not scum."?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: pidgey

it's bothering me more each time I re-read it.

[PeregrineV]

I've called the following town and still believe that; Ruffling

I think Josh pointed it out, so let's go look.

Spoiler:

This is first.

Rufflig looks town.

I feel like this begs explanation. I don't think he's done anything indicative of alignment. What am I overlooking?

His early posts, particularly this one:

It was a reference to the show called "The Awesomes" (catch it on Hulu - it's quite good), Aronis. The main character of which is Professor Doctor Jeremy "Prock"

Awesome

.

I must bow to Squirrel Girl's superior knowledge of comic book minutiae.

all felt quite relaxed and "bantery". Doesn't seem at all nervous or forced.

I was the one bantering with him - did my banter seem nervous and/or forced?

Vote: Mozamis

If I'm right then Ruffling is probably obv. town also.

If I'm reading correctly,
1. Mozamis calls Ruffling town
2. You ask him to explain why.
3. He says that Ruffling's early posts felt relaxed and bantery
4. You vote Mozamis, and say if you are right (about Moz being scum, I assume), then Ruffling is obvious town.

I really don't get how you got from 1 to 4.

You later "back up your opinion".....?

Oh, Rufflig was supposed to be on my scumread list as well, but then I forgot.

VOTE: Rufflig, only major wagon I support.

Catching up, but saw this and have to say if there is a major wagon on rufflig then I think that's a mistake.

My thoughts on this interaction remain the same.

577- You assign Ruffling a town read.
599- The reason why. Quoting it here because once again, I don't get what you are saying.

how the hell do you have a town read on ruffling?

If I had to try to put it in words it's the way the wagon on him formed and how Yates decided to start supporting it from the sidelines while still voting me while also saying he was moving past me and ignoring what I'm saying - but still leaving his vote sit.

And I'm not the only one, because it continues in 649.

661- Ruffling town, the why in 664, which references actions in 652

I have a town read on Ruffling for the reasons I presented. I'm serious - why would he say hat if he was scum. If he was scum he either had a townie defending him, in which case, yay, go townie! Or I was his scumbuddy defending him, in which case - why attack me for defending him? Or...I dunno, maybe both Yates and him are scum and he was annoyed I was attacking his buddy? In which case let's just lynch Yates. Am I missing something here? It feels like a good case.

So, yes, it seems it's there, although some parts of it are hard for me to grasp.

[PeregrineV]

I don't understand the issue with pidgey but he is still town. You can explain if you want but really he just isn't getting lynched today.

If you are town, do you declare someone is not scum with you?

Im still pretty sure about my solid town reads in this game. The more Moz posts the more i reflect my reasoning with his own.

Im sure its not scum with this slot.

[PeregrineV]

Who said that?

[PeregrineV]

Um, wow.

Ok, so let's break it down.

I did not said " Im sure im not scum with this slot." Just said that the i didnt believe the slot was scum? When in the fuck did I declared i was not scum with him?

I was just writing my thoughts on moz and they came up like that because i was in a hurry (worded funnily). But never in that sentence i say im not scum with him or anything similiar. This is basically super dumb. Also take into account english is not my first language if you want to.

I can break it down. Stop me where I'm wrong.

Im still pretty sure about my solid town reads in this game. The more Moz posts the more i reflect my reasoning with his own.

Im sure its not scum with this slot.

You are pretty sure about your solid tonwreads in this game.

Straightforward.

The more Moazmis posts the more you (feel his reasoning matches your own).

I think I'm translating this correctly.

I'm sure its not scum with this slot.

Are you sure Mozamis is not scum with your slot? That's what you are saying.
Do you mean

I'm sure Mozamis' slot is not scum.

but by saying

I'm sure this slot [referring to Mozamis] is not scum.

?

[PeregrineV]

Makes me sure its not mafiascum that is trolling me

No it's me.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: UnfriendlyNeighbors

back to this since I need to keep my focus.

[PeregrineV]

I mean
"I'm sure this slot is not scum." But said it funny.
Like why would i even refer to myself in third person.

To try and distance yourself from yuor scum PM in your own mind.

But, the translation above makes sense given the sentence structure of the sentence before it.

[PeregrineV]

I'm cutting down the rest of your post to this because you quote me a lot, but it almost feels like you answer your own question. Was there anything you wanted me to respond to there? I don't even get the purpose of the post.

No, I don't think so, right now.

The purpose was to verify if you had given the reads you stated and the reasons, since I didn't recall them. I took Ruffling since he was first on the list, and looked through your posts as to your read on him and where it came from.

Since it panned out, I didn't feel the need to check the other players, although I may later.

[PeregrineV]

@PereV:

SQG is not an open-book for me. Has to be one of the most complicated players for me to read just in general. I misread SG in a recently opened game and managed to throw a mislynch on her for not contributing as much. The game that NC was referring to was most likely my charmed game that just finished and SG replaced in. She did not come off 'spammy' that game even though she was town & a PR.
I haven't figured out how to approach SQG in order to get a better read off that slot. Engaging doesn't do it for me and neither does meta.

Since I doubt she is the only player on-site that is difficult to read by those two processes (meta or engagement), what other remedies will you utilize? What have you done with other players like her?

I'm actually kinda interested that you basically decided to take the bulk of my post and direct attention that I didn't give a read or a comment on ONE player. There was quite a few during both catch up posts that I either commented very little on or gave no read. That's because I'm going to try to engage to get a better read or watch them a bit. Reading old posts that I had no direct influence by me only goes so far for me. They more or less give me some opening gut feels.

That's the player I was hoping to get a fresh, new viewpoint on, since my brain says town, but it's not giving me the "why?" of it.

I also note that even though you said you'd comment on my other reads, but then proceeded to tackle elsewhere makes me wonder if the one little slight town-tell I could possibly have on you is wron

If I go back and do that (comment on your other reads), I will then have to apply a standard of activity and level of responsiveness to you that I am currently not applying. If you fall below that standard, I will get mad and think you are dodgy scum.

Are you ready for that?

[PeregrineV]

1 DAY, 19 HOURS, 19 MINUTES

move your fucking votes to a competent wagon in the next 19 hours

You should pick Yates or Unfiendly neighbor, or give a better choice.

[PeregrineV]

Josh_B
PeregrineV,
UniversalSlutBus,
Malakittens
The Rufflig
Yates
ArcAngel9

Pretty sure that's the list of people who ought to have a new vote within the next 8 hours or so. I think it wouldn't hurt us to have a chance to talk over the roleclaim either...though we may already be past the point of that happening.

Yates has replaced out. The slot can't claim. Why lynch a slot that can't claim that is under replacement as a compromise lynch?

[PeregrineV]

Because I know he's scum. If that freaks you out you can move to Josh, I'd be pretty happy with that lynch too.

I don't think Josh is scum.

[PeregrineV]

Also docs please DO target me because I'm effectively townclaimed thank yous ^_^

But that don't matter. You also have to be useful and helpful in catching scum.

[PeregrineV]

Ruffling is an even stupider wagon than Yates.

Vote: Yates

[PeregrineV]

oh by the way i have to announce this again

if you are a protective role (doctor, jailkeeper etc) please defend me tonight!

thanks ^o^

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5861209

[PeregrineV]

Weren't you arguing that Yates was a bad lynch 'cause he couldn't claim? Him and Ruffling were the only viable options at that point.

Yeah, and Ruffling is another fucking horrible choice, but he is at least here. And if you ask me to rank, Ruffling is stronger townread than Yates.

[PeregrineV]

going to hammer if nobody objects

Nice.

[PeregrineV]

Still a dumb lynch.

[PeregrineV]

Still a dumb lynch.

OK, maybe not so much.

[PeregrineV]

Neither of these scum isos is actually helping me very much

This is a good idea to do,but will have to save for later. I'll catch up for today, and add this to the to-do list.

[PeregrineV]

Also, can anyone come up with a second scumteam name that would be plausible at all? Or is this an SK/vig?

The fact that they are called Marvel Universe Villain Alliance Mafia instead of just mafia could mean two teams.

[PeregrineV]

Well this gets the award for worst gambit I've seen in a game ever (pv)

lol...that's OK, I still know what you mean.

[PeregrineV]

But by the time the mod receives your replacement request your slot would already have flipped?



What are your reads on the other players? Specifically Chandra, bulbafenix, Pidgey and Nero Cain

I meant if it was fake, which I'm assuming it is.

My reads are you're a shithead and I don't give a fuck about the other players in this game regardless of how anti-town it is because you're a dick

How about you go fuck yourself in some other game?

Vig or not-vig aside, I think Metal is asking for your reads on players for which he gets a and your not giving those reads which gives you a

[PeregrineV]

So can we kindly stop fucking shooting from the hip without asking for claims or anything? Because that would be super nice. Also "stabbed in the bacK' is one helluva flavor. Sonic, what is your character and why is he backstabbing?

VOTE: Sonic

Between 1481 and 1514 and this,

Vote: Viomi

[PeregrineV]

Oh, by the way, if you're town and thought the dayvig was real, then you should have given your reads on other players and helped the town before you kicked the bucket. 'Lol rage sorry no reads for you' is a horrible scummy excuse.

[PeregrineV]

I think the ThAd kill points to PV as possible scum

Here I was all tempted to ignore you since I didn't kill anyone, but you have managed to reach an entirely independent conclusion from AuntJ.

Also, what the hell is with that mafia kill? They must be terrified of docs or something o.o

If Thaddy was nightkilled by mafia, then it points to Joshy being scum given Thaddy's primary suspect. If Squirly was nightkilled by mafia, then...it still points to Joshy being scum given that he was among Squirly's primary suspects. It is safe to say Joshy is not a member of the Marvel Villains scumteam. However, he is my number one suspect for being a member of the other scumteam.

So now you both have an assignment where you show you work on how you reached your totally independent conclusions from the exact same set of data.

I haven't read thAd yet, so I won't be biased towards one person or another. Instead, I'll get a glimpse into your fabulous mind.

[PeregrineV]

BulbyFenny bullied Sonny into shooting a player who was obviously town immediately, wasting the opportunities and assuring that Joshy could not so easily be killed. He removed all chances for productive usage of the mechanic, insisting on hipshooting from Sonny. That type of bullying I do not see coming from a town BulbyFenny. Perhaps one head being impulsive I could see. Both heads when they are not typically irrational players, I cannot. They did not hesitate to direct Sonny to kill Kiddy.

That digital headlock was an utter brute. When BulbaFenix followed it up with that virtual wedgie, I don't see how Metal could have done anything except shoot KidA.

[PeregrineV]

Hmm interesting how pV ingored the voters on him~

Not really. Who is voting me?

[PeregrineV]

Hmm interesting how pV ingored the voters on him~

Not really. Who is voting me?

Had you read you would know

Day 2 Vote count

viomi 5 - Metal Sonic ,BulbaFenix,displaced,Chandra Nalaar,PeregrineV
Metal Sonic 1 - Viomi,
BulbaFenix 1 - Aunt Jemina
mozamis 1 - Umbrage
zzzx 1 - Josh_B
Aunt jeanina 1 - vezokpiraka

Not voting

TheWayItEnds
Nero Cain
UniversalSlutBus** (Alexcellent/JKMatthews hydra)
ZZZX
mozamis
Malakittens
ArcAngel9
pidgey
beastcharizard
UnfriendlyNeighbors (Mac/Cabd Hydra)

UniversalSlutBus will be replaced after failing to pick up a prod

with 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch

(expired on 2014-05-26 14:26:41)

till Day 2 Deadline

[PeregrineV]

I think the ThAd kill points to PV as possible scum

Here I was all tempted to ignore you since I didn't kill anyone, but you have managed to reach an entirely independent conclusion from AuntJ.

Also, what the hell is with that mafia kill? They must be terrified of docs or something o.o

If Thaddy was nightkilled by mafia, then it points to Joshy being scum given Thaddy's primary suspect. If Squirly was nightkilled by mafia, then...it still points to Joshy being scum given that he was among Squirly's primary suspects. It is safe to say Joshy is not a member of the Marvel Villains scumteam. However, he is my number one suspect for being a member of the other scumteam.

So now you both have an assignment where you show you work on how you reached your totally independent conclusions from the exact same set of data.

I haven't read thAd yet, so I won't be biased towards one person or another. Instead, I'll get a glimpse into your fabulous mind.

C'mon guys. I want answers or I will be forced to conclude that your "Nk analysis" is fake.

[PeregrineV]

Mm. Except this account's playstyle is to ignore meta completely, which I will continue to do.

This is great.

You can now give me your townreads and scumreads based entirely on this game!

Please do so.

[PeregrineV]

C'mon guys. I want answers or I will be forced to conclude that your "Nk analysis" is fake.

I read ThAd's ISO, there was significant suspicion of you (and also JoshB as it happens) but I think you are more likely to be calling the shots than Josh

OK. Let's see what AuntJ has to say.

[PeregrineV]

I answered already. Analysis showing you to be the one nightkilling Thaddy and analysis showing Joshy to be the one nightkilling Thaddy are not mutually exclusive.

I find this answer to be very non-answery. Hell, displaced gave more information.

And you've changed what you said.

Also, what the hell is with that mafia kill? They must be terrified of docs or something o.o

If Thaddy was nightkilled by mafia, then it points to Joshy being scum given Thaddy's primary suspect. If Squirly was nightkilled by mafia, then...it still points to Joshy being scum given that he was among Squirly's primary suspects. It is safe to say Joshy is not a member of the Marvel Villains scumteam. However, he is my number one suspect for being a member of the other scumteam.

And neither of you walked me through how you arrived at your brilliant conclusion.

Maybe i'll try that for you.

[PeregrineV]

nearly half the game is voting Viomi, I suppose if I suspect any of them it's a chainsaw, hm?

Tell him to answer 1596 and 1597.

[PeregrineV]

Comps down- more tommorow.

[PeregrineV]

Some of the way these wagons went down point towards scum not wanting to bus.

[PeregrineV]

But by the time the mod receives your replacement request your slot would already have flipped?



What are your reads on the other players? Specifically Chandra, bulbafenix, Pidgey and Nero Cain

I meant if it was fake, which I'm assuming it is.

My reads are you're a shithead and I don't give a fuck about the other players in this game regardless of how anti-town it is because you're a dick

How about you go fuck yourself in some other game?

Vig or not-vig aside, I think Metal is asking for your reads on players for which he gets a and your not giving those reads which gives you a

I don't give reads to shitheads.

I did give reads after it was found to be a fake kill, if you didn't notice.

You mean 1519?

[PeregrineV]

I've called the following town and still believe that;

Ruffling

, Nero, Chandra, JKlash

I've called the following scum and still believe that; Josh, Umbrage, Displaced,

TheAdmiral

I will admit my read on Mozimas is getting wonky. I like a lot of what is being said there, I still don't like the early play. I guess call it a nullish to scum read now. I have a generally positive vibe towards Aunt Jemina though she feels hard to read. Basically I feel like she could fake me out easily. I sort of generically am okay with the pushes on ZZZX, beast, and maybe even Unfriendly (though that last one I would be hard pressed to describe the case, but the sort of recriminatory lashing out response feels dirty to me) Most of the rest of the crowd I don't think I have a very good feel for, a lot just feel like they...well, exist..

[PeregrineV]

I think Beast might be scum.

[PeregrineV]

Pere

If you think dude is scum, why not vote for him?


Yes a scum encryptor allows daytalk until they are dead.

I'm thinking about it. I didn't like the ISO, but want to compare it to that babymaking game (Fire EMblem?)

[PeregrineV]

Sorry, will catch up tonight.

[PeregrineV]

I'm back.

Will need to look over everything because my brain un-mafia-ed while we were on break.

[PeregrineV]

Metal Sonic: How was my reaction scummy, exactly? Instead of just saying it was, give me logic.
BulbaFenix: Do you have anything on me or are you going to continue whatever... That is?
Displaced: Does your vote on me have anything besides bullshit.. Like, at all?
PereV: You're town, get your vote off me and do something helpful please.
vezok: You're either the stupidest player to date or you're scum. I'm not going to ask you to do anything because I don't think it'll get through your thick skull.
ZZZK: I don't even know what to say about you. Honestly.

If you actually HAVE a case on me, give it to me. If you don't, take your vote off because you're being insanely anti-town. Vote someone actually scummy, not someone mad at the game, kthx.

I suspect that may be the case, but then I wondering why scum is not rushing to your wagon to do you in. if your town or other-scum, scum should want you gone.

[PeregrineV]

Rotten to the core:
10 BulbaFenix (Bulbazak/Fenix Hydra)
7 Josh_B
11 PeregrineV

That's just my hard outer shell. I'm really town on the inside.

Besides, I like the company you put me in.

[PeregrineV]

Metal Sonic: How was my reaction scummy, exactly? Instead of just saying it was, give me logic.
BulbaFenix: Do you have anything on me or are you going to continue whatever... That is?
Displaced: Does your vote on me have anything besides bullshit.. Like, at all?
PereV: You're town, get your vote off me and do something helpful please.
vezok: You're either the stupidest player to date or you're scum. I'm not going to ask you to do anything because I don't think it'll get through your thick skull.
ZZZK: I don't even know what to say about you. Honestly.

If you actually HAVE a case on me, give it to me. If you don't, take your vote off because you're being insanely anti-town. Vote someone actually scummy, not someone mad at the game, kthx.

I suspect that may be the case, but then I wondering why scum is not rushing to your wagon to do you in. if your town or other-scum, scum should want you gone.

THEY ARE. I'M THE BIGGEST FUCKING WAGON. Scum is already /ON/ my wagon.

Day 2 Vote count 12

viomi 6 - Metal Sonic ,BulbaFenix,displaced,PeregrineV,vezokpiraka,ZZZX,
Displaced 4 - TheWayItEnds,Josh_B,Viomi,Sharpest-knife-on-tree,
beastcharizard 3- RachMarie,Malakittens ,Umbrage,
BulbaFenix 2 - Aunt Jemina,Nero Cain,
zzzx 2 - beastcharizard, pidgey,
vezokpiraka 1 - Chandra Nalaar,
Rach Marie 1 - mozamis,

Not voting

UnfriendlyNeighbors,

V/LA

Prods

with 20 alive, it takes 11 to lynch

But the biggest is 6 people, only half of the lynch amount needed.
Assume 2 teams of 4 (6 left) or 2 teams of 3 (4 left), then who is the scum on your wagon?
2333 has called Vezok dumb or scum, but otherwise you've not indicated the scum on your wagon.

[PeregrineV]

Well:

I don't like the Viomi wagon for the following reasons:

* Some of my scumreads are on it {PereV, Vezo, Displaced} to a lesser extent ZZZZX or however you spell it.
* It was driven by a distraction so I believe scum jumped on it for an easy lynch.

Other things to note:

I'm confident in a town slot that was Snake/AA who is now SharpestKnifeOnaTree.
I'm warming up to a town-unfriendlyneighbors although I'm still not 100% sold on it.
AJ/NC/Rach/ms/pidgey are likely town.
Rest are either null or probable scum reads or actual scum reads.

If displaced is a scumread then wouldn't your vote be better served on him, making the score 6(Viomi) -5(displaced)?

And I take this as you don't think Viomi is town, per se, but his/her voters are scum?

[PeregrineV]

@Viomi- To continue our one-sided discussion, if scum are all on you, is it town pushing a counterwagon to you?

[PeregrineV]

Got my prod, Mac is MIA, trying to contact him, may have it just become my main (cabd) if he doesn't get a hold of me.

(Also we're not mislynching bulbafenix today, give it up, folks)

Well then who are we mislynching today? Cause the other 2 wagons suck.

Also, as a side question: Are you planning on ever playing this game?

Do you think Beast and Viomi are both town?

[PeregrineV]

Yep.

Any reasons in particular?

[PeregrineV]

VOTE BEAST

It's mainly P.O.E, as I don't get the Viomi case at all, and Displaced is null to me. But we're running out of time, so it's got to be done.

Any other case aside, is Viomi town?

[PeregrineV]

Also I think I've ben pretty clear about my dislike of every "case" against Viomi.

But its also that even when the reason behind a case is completely dismantled, (see my arguement with displaced), theres no step back and reasses, he just kept pushing for a different reason. It feels like Viomi was decided on as the easy mislynch and no amount of logic is going to stand in the way.

Specifically in the case of displaced, I just cant follow the:

Oh, my meta case against her has a reasonable explaination?
Well forget that then, why would someone make an alt to radically change their playstyle?
(Or as i read it: Why would someone make an alt to (MAIN REASON PEOPLE MAKE ALTS).)

With no stops in between.

The fact that Viomi takes less interest in thier(her/his) survival than you do does not speak well of them.
Their insistence that scum is all over their wagon, yet a counterwagon is building.
If they are town, thier wagon has reached stalling speeds.

All of these are reasons that I want to find Viomi town, but it hasn't happened yet.

But, contrawise, I also find displaced and Beast scummy, so those wagons totally make sense. And all three make sense with the whole multi-scum game.

[PeregrineV]

This post by BC is a town claim.

1 TheWayItEnds - Is this person in the game? I don't remember this name at all.
4 vezokpiraka - Null. I know they post I just don't remember anything they say.
5 Nero Cain - Town. Early town read based kind of on my other game with them and the rest is gut. They don't do scummy things either.
6 Aunt Jemina* - Still get a weird feeling from them.
7 Josh_B - Leaning town.
9 Metal Sonic - Null. I always just want to scum read him for some reason.
10 BulbaFenix (Bulbazak/Fenix Hydra) - Leaning town
11 PeregrineV - Null
12 RachMarie - I wish the list told me who they replaced. Oh well off the top of my head is Null.
13 Umbrage - SCUM.
14 ZZZX - SCUM. Why I am their counter wagon I have no clue.
15 Viomi - Null. MS is going after them hard so I don't know what to think.
16 mozamis - Null. Same boat as veko.
19 Malakittens - Null. Did they replace in or were they here from the start?
20 Sharpest-knife-on-tree - Null Same boat as Rach.
21 pidgey- They post a lot but I don't know what they actually say. Leaning town on sheer posting.
23 UnfriendlyNeighbors (Mac/Cabd Hydra)* - Null
24 Chandra Nalaar - Leanign scum. I like some of their posts but the buddying with Umbrage really bothers me.
25 displaced* - Null

So a quick review of the other 31 posts to see what else he's got has revealed "not very much". And this list kind of sucks.

[PeregrineV]

Actually what you meant to say was:

"Way too many nulls to not give him a town read there."

That's kind of the thing. Nulls are OK. That many nulls with 2 flipped scum is really, really way less OK.

The reasons go from Can't remember to are they in this game, yet knows that "Metal Sonic is going hard after Viomi".

Does that mean he is scumhunting Metal Sonic? No. "Null. I always just want to scum read him for some reason."
Is he scumhunting using Viomi because she's town? No. "Null. MS is going after them hard so I don't know what to think."
Knows Malakittens wasn't original player "Null. Did they replace in or were they here from the start?" but doesn't know you are (Is this person in the game? I don't remember this name at all.) but mentions Yates 5 times before the replace out of Yates who turned into you.

Reads seem way more calculated than organic.

[PeregrineV]

Actually what you meant to say was:

"Way too many nulls to not give him a town read there."

That's kind of the thing. Nulls are OK. That many nulls with 2 flipped scum is really, really way less OK.

The reasons go from Can't remember to are they in this game, yet knows that "Metal Sonic is going hard after Viomi".

Does that mean he is scumhunting Metal Sonic? No. "Null. I always just want to scum read him for some reason."
Is he scumhunting using Viomi because she's town? No. "Null. MS is going after them hard so I don't know what to think."
Knows Malakittens wasn't original player "Null. Did they replace in or were they here from the start?" but doesn't know you are (Is this person in the game? I don't remember this name at all.) but mentions Yates 5 times before the replace out of Yates who turned into you.

Reads seem way more calculated than organic.

I disagree.
What I get from that list is a player who has not been very invested in the game so far.
He doesn't know who the replacements are, he vaguely knows that people are in the game, but isnt remembering them enough to get a read on them. Sure he knows that MS-Viomi is a thing, but that was a thing that took over pages and pages of the game.

If this was an unbidden readlist, I would agree with you guys.
But since this is the "I'm the biggest wagon here's my reads" readlist... That changes things.

Granted, it is only day 2, but we lynched scum day and had another scum flip day2.

If that doesn't invest town into a game what the hell does?

I think it would discourage scum though (esp. Squirrel-Rufflig scum)

[PeregrineV]

Should read "another scum flip night1" but the point still stands.

[PeregrineV]

Granted, it is only day 2, but we lynched scum day and had another scum flip day2.

If that doesn't invest town into a game what the hell does?

I think it would discourage scum though (esp. Squirrel-Rufflig scum)

But theres no appeasement in the post.
Look at his wagon and look at his reads. He literally didn't attempt to coax anyone off his wagon. He just gave his reads.

Granted. But appeasement isn't really an option with 4-6 scum running around.

If he was squirrel-ruffling scum it would be so easy for him to just arbitrarily hand out town reads because he cant even implicate his buddies anymore. But we don't get any of that.

I suppose. But then he would be asked to justify those, and since he can't, he'd be screwing himself by giving those townreads out.

And you think hes "leaving the door open to vote people" but it doesn't matter how many options you left yourself if you're dead.

No, but I do think he's trying for under-the-radar-approach. But, I'm not totally invest in his lynch just yet because the other 2 wagons are also juicy, but if you really think he's town I suggest goading his butt into gear.

[PeregrineV]

TWIE asks MS what information would be gained from a Viomi lynch. MS tells him, giving scenarios for both Viomi scum and town flips. TWIE ignores him and continues to dismiss his posts out of hand.

Can anybody tell me why this is town?

I got into a big throwdown with him in the NY game forno reason other than I didn't like his style (and bad day). But he was pretty much conf town, and turned out to be town in the end.

His style is the same here, but I just went through a Q&A session about his (Viomi,Beast) reads. I disagree, but think he's town, and his reasonings support my read on him.

[PeregrineV]

This is additionally a scum post from Grinny, but I have not the ability to explain at this time, as this old lady is posting here between errands.

We all look forward to your defense of Viomi.

[PeregrineV]

Mod note - Cabd is going solo so the Unfriendlyneighbors Hydra is no longer in the game. Umbrage will be replaced as he failed to pick up prod unless he returns before replacement is found

[PeregrineV]

Bulba, why is Beast's play his townplay. Looking at the two known scum ISOs, the case for Beast being aligned with them is pretty strong.

I'm not going to quarrel if V is the lynch, but if I am right and we are looking at dual scum, then there's no way we can have 8 scum in a 24 player game which means we could eliminate a nightkill. So I'm willing to have a little less certainty on beast being scum there.

Street Racers ran with 2 4-man scum teams for 24 players, so that's a bridge that hasn't been crossed yet.

And,
Welcome!!

[PeregrineV]

No PV. There were 5 or 6 scum all on the same team in Street Racers, you have your games wrong.

Your right on the 2nd one. I died early and lost track.

the first was 24 with 2/4.
Street Racers: New York

And another Large running near the same time was also 24 with 2 4man teams
NY164:Mastin's Manaiacal Mafia

[PeregrineV]

No PV. There were 5 or 6 scum all on the same team in Street Racers, you have your games wrong.

My main point is there is enough scummieness in the game that 6 more scum is easily believable.

[PeregrineV]

wuts vca

She wants the vote counts around those times.

[PeregrineV]

And another Large running near the same time was also 24 with 2 4man teams
NY164:Mastin's Manaiacal Mafia

Maniacal had the blue team, which was made up of 4 members and was less powerful, and the red team, which was made up of 3 members and was more powerful. There were not 8 scum in that game.
-Bulba

So there weren't- only 7.

My point about it still stands.

[PeregrineV]

How sure are we of that though? Can it be one scum and an SK? I'm leaning two scum factions... but...

Somone mentioned invasion or incursion earlier, and the flips so far are "Marvel Universe Villain Alliance" so not unbelievable that there is a "DC Universe Villain Alliance" or somesuch.

[PeregrineV]

Did you not panick when I inspected you in Dark Ages? I interpretted what you did as panicking. Since that is my latest game with you it is fresh in my mind. Unless I am thinking about the wrong hydra.

GIven I was the backup mod of that game, uh....

That was your claim, then, too!!

Look, he's panicking again!

[PeregrineV]

That was satisfying.

[PeregrineV]

I did! More people should try reading it.

If you like non associative reasons, you can look at what I was calling the slot scum for yesterday too!

Actually, I rather like your associative case. I was wondering yesterday about Titus-scum, but didn't have a hard Umbrage read, so had gone back and looked over his stuff (and Viomi) and found him against a Viomi lynch but not really hard-defending her. Finding your 2766 made me happy.

Why is everyone voting their first/backup choices from yesterday like we didn't just get a scumflip? It's time for associative tells, people! Chop, chop!

I'm voting Displaced based on a possible associative tell I saw when reading through the Squirrel Girl and Rufflig ISOs. I'd like to explore there first.

Would like to see what you come up with. Added displaced to my shortlist for the same reason. That and his "NK analysis" from before.

Why is everyone voting their first/backup choices from yesterday like we didn't just get a scumflip? It's time for associative tells, people! Chop, chop!

Also, I will try not to be a useless lump the rest of the time, but expect me to tunnel Titus until she's dead.

I agree with the fact we should be looking at associative tells. That is the primary reason I chose Beast over Viomi, initially. Both were scumreads and I wanted to eliminate a faction kill. Do some research on the non-Viomi faction. Who is your associative read?


@JoshB, should I suppose you're not even going to read anything I post and just sheep a case without thought?

@Sharpest, then let's talk. What exactly points my way?


VOTE: Beastcharizard

So you thought eliminating Beast would eliminate a faction kill? Only 3 scum there?
Also, you kind of ignored the honking huge case against you.

Vote: Titus

[PeregrineV]

so be it.

Quickie:

Conftown

Me
Cabd (according to bulba)
Bulbafenix (according to cabd)
Chandra (according to bulba)

Very likely town with a bit of uncertainty

Josh B (Viomi's shitty push)
Peregrine V (in case Viomi wasnt lying)
SKOT

Top scum

???
Aunt J

Liking the trailer so far, but I'll wait for the movie before offering a review.

[PeregrineV]

Chandra, in a manner that would draw a neon flag that says whiteknighting? I don't think so. You still haven't answered my question on who you think is the last non-Viomi scum?

PereV, what huge case? Yeah, I think based on numbers and PR flips, 6 scum makes sense. The case by Chandra is that Umbrage thought BC was scum, I agreed. That's not a huge case. Also Chandra ignored my question on who she thought the last scum was on the non-Viomi side. You're doing selective application. You have to think there's a separate reason I'm scum. What is it? Let's talk.

2766
Maybe read through and see what the point of the whole thing is. She's looking at Umbrage's treatment of Viomi, and his defense of her.
Compare this to TWIE's defense of Beast ("X is why Beast is town").

She also points out your own posts that point to you being DC-scum with Viomi.

[PeregrineV]

Bulba I just reread Ruffling's ISO. I have to say I think I saw something in regards to an interaction or lack of interaction between Umbrage and to an extent AJ.

But what did you see in regards to displaced?

[PeregrineV]

Here, and read part of it yesterday, but need to finish and think today.

Early thought is leashing SK is viable (depends on player, play), but "leashing last member of scumteam" is a horse of another color.

[PeregrineV]

maybe you should learn that cabd is 100% town


now try again

I forgot/can't find this. What post did this happen?

[PeregrineV]

Players Alive

4 vezokpiraka
5 Nero Cain
6 Aunt Jemina*
7 Josh_B*
10 BulbaFenix (Bulbazak/Fenix Hydra)
11 PeregrineV
12 RachMarie
14 ZZZX
16 mozamis*
19 Malakittens*
20 Sharpest-knife-on-tree
22 beastcharizard
23 Cabd
24 Chandra Nalaar
25 displaced*

Players Dead

Aronis was Thor, Vanilla Town, Stabbed in the back day 1

The Ruffling was Ultron. Marvel Universe Villain Alliance mafia Encryptor lynched day 1

THAdmiral was Iron Patriot, Vanilla Town, disappeared Night 1

Squirrel Girl was Venom, Marvel Universe Villain Alliance mafia Jailkeeper executed Night 1

Kid A was, Wolverine Vanilla Town Stabbed in the back day 2

Viomi was Green Arrow, DC Universe Alliance mafia Rolecop lynched day 2.

TheWayItEnds was Captain America, Vanilla Town Disappeared night 2

Titus was Nightwing DC Universe Alliance mafia Encryptor lynched day 3

pidgey was Havok, Vanilla town Disappeared night 4

Metal Sonic was Elektra, 3 shot daytime vig executed night 4

Replacement guide

ArcAngel9 replaces SnakePliskin - Day 1 post 717 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5839592
Malakittens replaces Pappums Rat Day 1 post895 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5848629
Viomi replaces Mutleyddmc Day 1 post 922 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p5850502
Metal Sonic replaced JKLash12 day 1 post 1054 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5855178
TheWayItEnds replaces Yates night 1 post 1368 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p5862987
RachMarie replaces UniversalSlutBus day 2 post 1714 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p5877509
Sharpest-knife-on-tree replaces ArcAngel9 day 2 post 1815 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p5884705
Titus replaces Umbrage day 2 post 2169 http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5926644

Marvel Universe (The Rufflig, Squirrel Girl,???,????) kills:
night1- ThAdmiral
night2-???
night3- pidgey or Metal Sonic

DC Universe (Viomi, Titus, ???, ????) kills:
night1- Squirrel Girl
night2- ???
night3- pidgey or Metal Sonic

Hmmm, not as helpful as I wanted. But still.

[PeregrineV]

Rach is town.

PS thanks for killing MS someone, I was super paranoid

So you mean Rach is not DC mafia?

[PeregrineV]

Marvel Universe (The Rufflig, Squirrel Girl,???,????) kills:
night1- ThAdmiral
night2-TWIE
night3- pidgey

DC Universe (Viomi, Titus, ???, ????) kills:
night1- Squirrel Girl
night2- blocked or something
night3- Metal Sonic

FIFY!

Thanks. With 2 dead on each side, some of these weird kills have to have a logic/reason to them.

[PeregrineV]

Also DC's rolecop obviously targeted Chandra N1, not PV

Why so?

[PeregrineV]

Fuck all four of the flipped scum for not actually posting a reads list we can mine. Totally debating PLing the rest of the players yet to give a list of reads that are not confirmed town~

Squirrel Girl gave a reads list in 1063 that I tried to mine in 1127 and totally reached the wrong conclusion for one of them.

You should try your own version and see what you come up with.

[PeregrineV]

Hmmn. You make a good point, ZZZX is a serious candidate for scum. But with the quotes you put out, more likely DC scum from where I'm sitting.
Scum standard would indicate that SqG is setting herself up to lynch AuntJ if the town agrees, and a scum flip on AuntJ could be a good indication of why SqG was the target night one.
Post 550 could be a clear on Vezok, if ZZZX is MUVA. Otherwise it just seems like scum fishing for a reason to sheep without actually doing the work.

Who replaced USB? (taking a long time to post this because I'm figuring it out)Rach, I think. Yeah, Rachmarie. That slot has been shady this whole game, but we have a clear on it, so Bazinga!

This is good stuff. I like seeing your spin on this and I don't mind sharing mine. But it's not information that people don't already know. At least I don't think it is.

Oh, and I forgot. Ruflig was setting me up for a lynch, because I thought UFN was scum. But we have a clear on Cab-Dee, I mean Cabudah now, don't we. So that's obvious what he was trying to do.

Josh, the clears are only partial clears because the cops are faction specific. People who should know better treating the partial clears as conftown are either being intensely derp or are scum.

Anyway Im flipping town, take a look at Moz's posts today with that in mind and tell me they're not sleazy as fuck

I missed the part where Cabd and Rach/USB were "cleared". Posts# please.

[PeregrineV]

Pretend the word "comprehensive" is in there as well.

No, it's work all right.

[PeregrineV]

I don't get how the assumption is 3/3 scumteams. Can someone tell me why I should drink this Kool-Aid?

pedit

@Cabd-

so you are confirmed not to be DC or Marvel scum? I think Chandra can only confirm one not-team, so Bulba needs to confirm whatever he is confirming.
Meanwhile, use that town-energy and give your scum suspects. Would like 4 names with reasons by Wednesday. Thanks in advance.

ppedit: I think that was in May, so, it I did pick up on it, I forgot it.
So, in the immortal words of Janet Jackson, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r9uizdKZAGE&feature=kp

[PeregrineV]

You don't get to decide this,

PV

. You are not in charge of this town. I wish someone could get that through your skull. And if you were in charge of this town you would have driven the town bus off a cliff by now.

Never said I was. If I were in charge I'd have driven the town bus off a cliff by now.

However, as a passenger aboard the bus I can point out that you are not behind the yellow line, and town-Cabd is ALWAYS behind the yellow line.

See how I get it?

[PeregrineV]

Cabd, Chandra, and Mala are conf. town. Period.

OK.

Please see just finished star wars game.

[PeregrineV]

We've had encryptors flip from both scum teams. Given the size of the game, it is very likely that we are dealing with 2 teams of 3, making 6 scum total, and identical roles indicate mirrored teams, meaning that Marvel has a rolecop and DC has a JK.

I keep saying this, and I'll stop for this gameday, but 6 mafia in 2 teams of 3 for a 25 player game is town-sided. Street Racers had 24 players and 2 teams of 4. Jason's Large Theme Dr Who had a 3 team, 4 team, and SK.
With that said,

Town:
10 BulbaFenix (Bulbazak/Fenix Hydra)
24 Chandra Nalaar
11 PeregrineV
7 Josh_B

Provisional Town:
19 Malakittens*
23 Cabd

Leaning town:
4 vezokpiraka
5 Nero Cain
20 Sharpest-knife-on-tree

Left:

6 Aunt Jemina*
25 displaced*

12 RachMarie
14 ZZZX
16 mozamis*
22 beastcharizard

AuntJ and displaced are separated because they are fresher "less-scummy-than-before" reads. I want to solidify in some way before taking them out of scum consideration.

Current goal is to look through Squirrel again to see her treatment of the bottom 6. Then the same for Rufflig, then same for red-scum.

Also double check my reads vis-a-vis replacements, since I get lazy with that late game and I shouldn't.

[PeregrineV]

Vote: RachMarie

Read page 100.

[PeregrineV]

And because it will come up, DC universe.

UniversalSlutBus (replaced by Rach)
Mutlyedmcc
Viomi
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

[PeregrineV]

but aronis LIED.

Yes. I'm just pointing out that when people are "confirming" something they are, in fact, actually confirming.
If you know what I mean.

[PeregrineV]

Cabd, Chandra, and Mala are conf. town. Period.

Perhaps a color update to this, like Rach is not Red (DC) scum, etc.

[PeregrineV]

Ok, caught up. Basically I still think town are in a strong position. All we have to do is avoid paranoia, stick to the confirmed town block, and it should be ok. Appreciate as well that although it's always nice to be in the loop, the less scum know the better, so we need to take some things on trust (ie, the claims, the confo town). Then we can just P.O.E to victory. I agree with Bulba, Displaced looks like a guy who wants to sow fear and confusion ("nothing is really confirmed guys! it could be anyone!) because scum are terrified at the P.O.E. going on.
People on my wagon are probably mostly just town voting for someone who isn't confirmed,"Vote Moz, hey it could be him, why the fuck not!". Apart from Aunt J. She had me in her "sweet, sugary core" (very strong town?) for most of the game, until the wagon on me formed. Then she lept aboard in pretty quickly.
So I'm thinking Displaced and AJ the last two scum.

VOTE DISPLACED

Which is red licorice and which is black licorice?

[PeregrineV]

@Moz

-final reads please

Vote: Mozamis

[PeregrineV]

@Nero- nice sig BTW

[PeregrineV]

actually...I think PV may have hammered.

mozamis 7 - Chandra Nalaar,vezokpiraka,Sharpest-knife-on-tree,RachMarie,Malakittens,Aunt Jemina,PeregrineV,
Displaced 4 - BulbaFenix,Nero Cain,Josh_B,mozamis,

^^^^

my vote is on Moz, atleast that's the last person I was voting. I'm sorry that I didn't notice this before.

Cabd unvoted, or else it would have been the hammer.
Reads request is in case we're wrong.

[PeregrineV]

Can you guys lynch me so that I don't have to replace out? I've been playing this game since April, I would hate to see it not be a completed game. I'm going to AT starting tomorrow.

Mercy LYNCH

Or scum if you promise to NK me, I'll be ok with that too.

Just let the mod replace you.

[PeregrineV]

Actually, I think there's enough input that either Displaced or AuntJ can be lynched today, What do you guys think about that? Displaced did a really good job at pointing at other players (none of which were MUVA). Someone besides AuntJ knows why there has only been one Scum kill up to this point, or she's Scum. But we are going to need all the town players to get in here and talk about it.

I'm good with either one, I suppose. I really wanted a color flip from Moz.

Would prefer displaced over AuntJ.

Also need to check, because I think someone did the "cleared status" list I asked for yester-game-day.

[PeregrineV]

Iron Man, VT

popcorn to displaced

[PeregrineV]

Players Dead

Aronis was Thor, Vanilla Town, Stabbed in the back day 1

The Ruffling was Ultron. Marvel Universe Villain Alliance mafia Encryptor lynched day 1

THAdmiral was Iron Patriot, Vanilla Town, disappeared Night 1

Marvel kill #1??

Squirrel Girl was Venom, Marvel Universe Villain Alliance mafia Jailkeeper executed Night 1

DC kill #1??

Kid A was, Wolverine Vanilla Town Stabbed in the back day 2

Viomi was Green Arrow, DC Universe Alliance mafia Rolecop lynched day 2.

TheWayItEnds was Captain America, Vanilla Town Disappeared night 2

Marvel kill #1??

Titus was Nightwing DC Universe Alliance mafia Encryptor lynched day 3

pidgey was Havok, Vanilla town Disappeared night 3

Marvel kill #1??

Metal Sonic was Elektra, 3 shot daytime vig executed night 3

DC kill #1??

mozamis was Sin, 3rd Party Serial Killer with 1 shot kill immune lynched day 4

BulbaFenix was Rescue, Town Hider Disappeared night 4

Sharpest Knife on the Tree was Mockingbird , Town Doctor Disappeared night 4

Marvel kill #1??

Chandra Nalaar was Agent Venom, town cop Destroyed night 5

DC kill #2??

Modkills

Nero Cain was Batman DC Universe Alliance mafia Tracker turned 3rd party survivor modkilled Day 5
Probably tracking not killing (DC kill #3??)

Something is off on the flavor.

[PeregrineV]

Hider Cleared (100% conf):
23 Cabd
19 Malakittens

Since the hider is dead, can you give the post #?

And if that is the case, I'd expect to see some figurative 3rd degree skin peels on the leftovers from you two.

Rach- you can just be a town number, or you can do more.
Beast- Cabd clears you, and now that I think about the weird TWIE defense of you (and him being the doc), he probably protected you one night when there wasn't 2 kills

(Side note here, did Mox not shoot, scums not shoot, or was TWIE superdoc? Design says 3 kills a night. We got 2-1-1-2(1)-1(should be 2 or 1). /sidenote

pedit-ZZZX too? I don't think a GF would work, so pretty cleared.

[PeregrineV]

PV I'm thinking it might be that each individual player on mafia teams has their own kill flavor like how Vi does it.

Marvel #1 killed ThAdmiral. Let's call Rufflig Marvel #2 (he died day1), let's call Squirrel Girl Marvel #3 (because Marvel #1 kill shows up after Squirrel has died).

DC #1 killed Squirrel. It wasn't Viomi or Titus because of n3 kill, so only Nero, who died last night.

That means either Marvel #4 (???!!!) or DC #4 (???!!!)

Or something else.

[PeregrineV]

can you give the post #?

I know not reading the goddamn game is sort of your thing, but I'm not gonna bother doing this again when you asked the same fucking thing yesterday and I provided it. Scroll up or ISO bulba or something.

Asking people to prove it is also my thing. People making me prove it for them I usually find to be anti-town.

I guess we'll assume his result on you & chandra were real, and all his other town proclamations were opinions. That should work in your favor.

Lead on, McDuff.

[PeregrineV]

AJ, I didn't see a single one of your crumbs or get any vibes you were a town PR. I will have to look over it again I guess.

VOTE: Displaced

AJ's watcher claim should be treated like the scumclaim that it is ... Cop + Hider + Watcher? I dont think so.

Also she flubbed her claim anyway; claiming a report on Bulba N4 when she wouldve got "no result" or "action failed" or the like.

He is correct accoridng to the wiki for Hider.

While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail.

Cleared by virtue of Viomi being derp (technically could be a gambit):

11 PeregrineV

@Mala

- Just fiinished your 919.

In your 10-page catchup, despite her having 9% of the total posts to date, you gave no read on Squirrel Girl except to questions Nero's 134 about her being "spammy". You seemed to indicate in another game you did not find her so.

Reading your 919, Squireel Girl stuill has about 9% of the total game posts. And Squirrel Girl is not mentioned once, or twcie, or three times, but a grand total of ZERO times.

First time, maybe she didn't post enough (false) or it was intelligible (false) or contentless (???). But if so, you would think she would at least be mentioned in your Yates evaluation, since that's been the bulk of his

tunneling

focus so far today. (You said [about Yates] "The tunneling on SQ/NC is getting old pretty fast.", to be exact, but that was classified as "getting old", so I can't really count that as trying to determine alignment).

But, between posts 250-919, Squirrel Girl once again has NO COMMENTABLE CONTENT. Not even enough to say null, not even enough to agree or disagree with any of her posts, statements, stances.

I'll get around to the rest of my responses to your reads later, but considering this is not even a lurker and you've avoided comment on her twice has defined a relationship in my mind.

The scumflip of either of you, I feel, will indicate a scumflip on the other one.

But, I will double-fact-check this by looking up Squirrel's interaction/position on both you and Pappum's Rat, and vice versa. Plus, you made more posts, so let's see what's there too.

This post in particular makes me extremely skittish about buying into the whole PV is confirmed line. The bolded is the heart of my dislike of the post, since this happened day one, yet after SG flipped scum, this is never again mentioned by PV. I think a townie who made this sort of connection would pursue it fairly relentlessly if, as happened here, one of the players he saw connections between flipped scum.

Amazingly enough, the investigation did my work for me, so I'm cool with that.

[PeregrineV]

Read the wiki harder. You can see hiders via watch but not via track. Hider is literally my favorite role ever. Have a clue how it works eh?

Hider
Hider
Alias: none
Alignment:
Pro-town
Role type:
Protective
Informative
Choice:
Night
The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. The Hider is treated like the target for all other roles' purposes - for instance, if the Hider's target gets investigated by a Cop, the Cop will get results on both the target AND the Hider. Alternatively, if the Hider's target gets killed overNight, the Hider will die too.
Most notably, if the Hider tries to hide behind a player who is not Town-aligned, the Hider will passively die and nothing can prevent it. In that way, Hider is similar to a Cop.
While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail. This applies even to otherwise "piercing" abilities like Strongman kills.
Hider is commonly, but not always, given the X-Shot modifier.
This role is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, but see Variations below.
Variations

Hider as described above is the product of several much-used variations at once. It is not necessarily the case that a Hider will die if it hides behind scum, or that the Hider will be targeted by all the things that happen to the person they're hiding behind - but both of those are expected.
Play Advice

As Hider, claim Weak Cop (or just Cop). This will entice the scum to make a failed kill on you.

You could bold the area you are talking about.

[PeregrineV]

Read the wiki harder. You can see hiders via watch but not via track. Hider is literally my favorite role ever. Have a clue how it works eh?

Hider
Hider
Alias: none
Alignment:
Pro-town
Role type:
Protective
Informative
Choice:
Night
The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. The Hider is treated like the target for all other roles' purposes - for instance, if the Hider's target gets investigated by a Cop, the Cop will get results on both the target AND the Hider. Alternatively, if the Hider's target gets killed overNight, the Hider will die too.
Most notably, if the Hider tries to hide behind a player who is not Town-aligned, the Hider will passively die and nothing can prevent it. In that way, Hider is similar to a Cop.
While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail. This applies even to otherwise "piercing" abilities like Strongman kills.
Hider is commonly, but not always, given the X-Shot modifier.
This role is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, but see Variations below.
Variations

Hider as described above is the product of several much-used variations at once. It is not necessarily the case that a Hider will die if it hides behind scum, or that the Hider will be targeted by all the things that happen to the person they're hiding behind - but both of those are expected.
Play Advice

As Hider, claim Weak Cop (or just Cop). This will entice the scum to make a failed kill on you.

You could bold the area you are talking about.

[PeregrineV]

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[PeregrineV]

Officially back today, but piled up work. Checking in.

[PeregrineV]

Spoiler: insightful analysis

I liked Josh enough for town, but would be willing to do a Luca Blight lynch

vote: Luca Blight

[PeregrineV]

On a serious note, want to look back over Squirrel gril and Rufflig again. They happened so early in the game they are some of the ones I didn't study as closely as Titus/Viomi.

[PeregrineV]

On a serious note, want to look back over Squirrel gril and Rufflig again. They happened so early in the game they are some of the ones I didn't study as closely as Titus/Viomi.

This is one of the reasons I have not placed much stock in isoing Squirly or Fliggy. Their deaths happened so early in the game that it is quite likely their isos do not contain any definitive leads towards their scumbuddy. Squirly in particular is a skilled enough player to not fall into the typical traps that a scum player is likely to do, and thus, placement of scumbuddies is most probably not what we would anticipate. Fliggy may give a much better indicator, as he is more prone to have done so, but his iso I distinctly remember having been chaotic, making it likely that his strategy for playing this game was to play as if he had no role PM, thus, giving no indication to his buddies. (I find it difficult to believe that a scumteam with Squirly on it and frankly almost any other living player would allow him to get away with his antics. They would likely tell him to focus. That he did not is a strong indicator that he was probably not in communication with them.)

Had they died later in the game, I feel as if we could have gotten a much better picture of who their scumbuddy was. The patterns on the first day do not mean much by themselves, unless you have patterns on future days to compare it to. There's simply too much speculation to have a solid picture and it is mere guesses as to what went on with their faction at the time, as it is impossible to deduce with such a limited pool of information. Thus, why my analysis is primarily focused on the players themselves. When it comes to the possibility of a final DC scum, isoing Tussy/Vinny/Nero will prove enlightening. When it comes to the certainty of a final Marvel scum, it is not as clear for Squirly/Fliggy.

Good news is we only have to look for thier interactions/relationships with living players, or note thier scumbuddy interactions to see if they treat any other players that way. it just takes time to comb with multiple windows open....

time.....

[PeregrineV]

Meanwhile PV doesnt answer my question relating to his #1042 and his failure to follow up on it after SG scumflip

I feel like I probably have, but I'll go see.

[PeregrineV]

@Mala

- Just fiinished your 919.

In your 10-page catchup, despite her having 9% of the total posts to date, you gave no read on Squirrel Girl except to questions Nero's 134 about her being "spammy". You seemed to indicate in another game you did not find her so.

Reading your 919, Squireel Girl stuill has about 9% of the total game posts. And Squirrel Girl is not mentioned once, or twcie, or three times, but a grand total of ZERO times.

First time, maybe she didn't post enough (false) or it was intelligible (false) or contentless (???). But if so, you would think she would at least be mentioned in your Yates evaluation, since that's been the bulk of his

tunneling

focus so far today. (You said [about Yates] "The tunneling on SQ/NC is getting old pretty fast.", to be exact, but that was classified as "getting old", so I can't really count that as trying to determine alignment).

But, between posts 250-919, Squirrel Girl once again has NO COMMENTABLE CONTENT. Not even enough to say null, not even enough to agree or disagree with any of her posts, statements, stances.

I'll get around to the rest of my responses to your reads later, but considering this is not even a lurker and you've avoided comment on her twice has defined a relationship in my mind. The scumflip of either of you, I feel, will indicate a scumflip on the other one.

But, I will double-fact-check this by looking up Squirrel's interaction/position on both you and Pappum's Rat, and vice versa. Plus, you made more posts, so let's see what's there too.

Here's the post.

[PeregrineV]

Cleared by virtue of Viomi being derp (technically could be a gambit):

11 PeregrineV

@Mala

- Just fiinished your 919.

In your 10-page catchup, despite her having 9% of the total posts to date, you gave no read on Squirrel Girl except to questions Nero's 134 about her being "spammy". You seemed to indicate in another game you did not find her so.

Reading your 919, Squireel Girl stuill has about 9% of the total game posts. And Squirrel Girl is not mentioned once, or twcie, or three times, but a grand total of ZERO times.

First time, maybe she didn't post enough (false) or it was intelligible (false) or contentless (???). But if so, you would think she would at least be mentioned in your Yates evaluation, since that's been the bulk of his

tunneling

focus so far today. (You said [about Yates] "The tunneling on SQ/NC is getting old pretty fast.", to be exact, but that was classified as "getting old", so I can't really count that as trying to determine alignment).

But, between posts 250-919, Squirrel Girl once again has NO COMMENTABLE CONTENT. Not even enough to say null, not even enough to agree or disagree with any of her posts, statements, stances.

I'll get around to the rest of my responses to your reads later, but considering this is not even a lurker and you've avoided comment on her twice has defined a relationship in my mind.

The scumflip of either of you, I feel, will indicate a scumflip on the other one.

But, I will double-fact-check this by looking up Squirrel's interaction/position on both you and Pappum's Rat, and vice versa. Plus, you made more posts, so let's see what's there too.

This post in particular makes me extremely skittish about buying into the whole PV is confirmed line. The bolded is the heart of my dislike of the post, since this happened day one, yet after SG flipped scum, this is never again mentioned by PV. I think a townie who made this sort of connection would pursue it fairly relentlessly if, as happened here, one of the players he saw connections between flipped scum.

Here is your post regarding my 1042.

[PeregrineV]

AJ, I didn't see a single one of your crumbs or get any vibes you were a town PR. I will have to look over it again I guess.

VOTE: Displaced

AJ's watcher claim should be treated like the scumclaim that it is ... Cop + Hider + Watcher? I dont think so.

Also she flubbed her claim anyway; claiming a report on Bulba N4 when she wouldve got "no result" or "action failed" or the like.

He is correct accoridng to the wiki for Hider.

While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail.

Cleared by virtue of Viomi being derp (technically could be a gambit):

11 PeregrineV

@Mala

- Just fiinished your 919.

In your 10-page catchup, despite her having 9% of the total posts to date, you gave no read on Squirrel Girl except to questions Nero's 134 about her being "spammy". You seemed to indicate in another game you did not find her so.

Reading your 919, Squireel Girl stuill has about 9% of the total game posts. And Squirrel Girl is not mentioned once, or twcie, or three times, but a grand total of ZERO times.

First time, maybe she didn't post enough (false) or it was intelligible (false) or contentless (???). But if so, you would think she would at least be mentioned in your Yates evaluation, since that's been the bulk of his

tunneling

focus so far today. (You said [about Yates] "The tunneling on SQ/NC is getting old pretty fast.", to be exact, but that was classified as "getting old", so I can't really count that as trying to determine alignment).

But, between posts 250-919, Squirrel Girl once again has NO COMMENTABLE CONTENT. Not even enough to say null, not even enough to agree or disagree with any of her posts, statements, stances.

I'll get around to the rest of my responses to your reads later, but considering this is not even a lurker and you've avoided comment on her twice has defined a relationship in my mind.

The scumflip of either of you, I feel, will indicate a scumflip on the other one.

But, I will double-fact-check this by looking up Squirrel's interaction/position on both you and Pappum's Rat, and vice versa. Plus, you made more posts, so let's see what's there too.

This post in particular makes me extremely skittish about buying into the whole PV is confirmed line. The bolded is the heart of my dislike of the post, since this happened day one, yet after SG flipped scum, this is never again mentioned by PV. I think a townie who made this sort of connection would pursue it fairly relentlessly if, as happened here, one of the players he saw connections between flipped scum.

Amazingly enough, the investigation did my work for me, so I'm cool with that.

This is where I answered, but perhaps my wording was unclear.

Based on the text of this post:

Mala is cleared as town.

~Fenix

and the flip of BulbaFenix

BulbaFenix was Rescue, Town Hider Disappeared night 4

indicates that Bulba investigated Mala and did not die, thereby confirming her as not-mafia.

You continue with 3691, which is "why didn't you do it sooner?"
Well, day 2 we were scumhunting and lynching Viomi. Sorry I didn't distract from the Viomi lynch to pursue a day1 pref-flip opinion form a single post I had.
Day3 we were scumhuinting and lynching Titus. By this time, 1042 was made April 28, and were lynching Titus mid-June.
Day4, Mozamis lynch.
Day5, thread locked DC sum Nero Cain modkilled.

It looks like the short answer would be, lynching scum.

Of course, if you think a relationship exists between Squirrel and Mala, you are 100% free to go look into it and tell us what you find. For my part, I may or may not do that, since we've now had 14 flips since I posts 1042, so it's relevancy has decreased dramatically. However, the importance you are attaching to it despite it's diminished relevancy is telling on it's own.

[PeregrineV]

A hider will die if hiding behind ANY scum, or if they hide behind someone who was also killed in night

@Jason- can a hider be targetted for actions when they are hiding behind another player?

[PeregrineV]

Also, lol @ BulbaFenix being my girlfriend.

[PeregrineV]

AJ, I didn't see a single one of your crumbs or get any vibes you were a town PR. I will have to look over it again I guess.

VOTE: Displaced

AJ's watcher claim should be treated like the scumclaim that it is ... Cop + Hider + Watcher? I dont think so.

Also she flubbed her claim anyway; claiming a report on Bulba N4 when she wouldve got "no result" or "action failed" or the like.

He is correct accoridng to the wiki for Hider.

While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail.

Read the wiki harder. You can see hiders via watch but not via track. Hider is literally my favorite role ever. Have a clue how it works eh?

Hider
Hider
Alias: none
Alignment:
Pro-town
Role type:
Protective
Informative
Choice:
Night
The Hider has the ability to target one player each night. The Hider is treated like the target for all other roles' purposes - for instance, if the Hider's target gets investigated by a Cop, the Cop will get results on both the target AND the Hider. Alternatively, if the Hider's target gets killed overNight, the Hider will die too.
Most notably, if the Hider tries to hide behind a player who is not Town-aligned, the Hider will passively die and nothing can prevent it. In that way, Hider is similar to a Cop.
While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions -

all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail

. This applies even to otherwise "piercing" abilities like Strongman kills.
Hider is commonly, but not always, given the X-Shot modifier.
This role is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, but see Variations below.
Variations

Hider as described above is the product of several much-used variations at once. It is not necessarily the case that a Hider will die if it hides behind scum, or that the Hider will be targeted by all the things that happen to the person they're hiding behind - but both of those are expected.
Play Advice

As Hider, claim Weak Cop (or just Cop). This will entice the scum to make a failed kill on you.

You could bold the area you are talking about.

Watcher targets the person being visite, NOT the hider him or herself.

Just so we are clear that I said exactly what I meant, since I'm about to quote it again.

[PeregrineV]

If your definition of hider is the standard, then it will be discussed at length in the most recent MD thread regarding the role.

Hiders themselves have not been discussed recently, though they most certainly are included in the recent topics by category. Alas, we cannot discuss the role of hider there without getting modkilled. That being said, I am familiar with the role of hider.

What a hider used to be, and still on rare occasions may be, is a role that hides behind a player and takes on the properties of the player they are hiding behind:
A tracker tracking the hider tracks the hider to going wherever the hider's target goes, a cop receives the result of the hider's target when targeting the hider, and so on. Some variants make this a two-way link, with a cop targeting the hider's target getting the hider's alignment. (There is a reason this version is archaic and no longer used by most.) This is also where the idea of hiders dying when their target is nightkilled originates from.

Another definition of hider has been "commuter who dies if their target dies or they hide behind scum". This is the variant you are insisting exists, as you believe I should not have received a result when I quite clearly did. This version is in use, but is not the standard.

A third variation has the function of the hider role be "will be protected from death when hiding behind a player, unless that player dies", and excludes the bit about hiding behind scum, which they attribute to the "weak" modifier.

However, the standard hider, the role as it is most commonly used, is a hider that when targeting a player, will be immune to death unless the targeted player dies or the target is scum. This is the version that I am near-certain jason is using this game. You question its existence, but I can think of at least one common place to see this version in action: Hard Boiled. The tracker can track the hider. If a tracker can track a hider, a watcher can watch a hider.

I could use my normal standard language, deary, but this has gotten irksome enough where I will stoop down to use the language of you youngsters:
I am right, I know I am, you are wrong, and you can suck. my. tits.

I will refer you to 3670 and 3672, with 3787 as the clarifying post.
Based on this

Night four, nobody visited BulbaFenix.

, and the phrasing of the role in the wiki specfically "While Hiding, the Hider itself is considered an ineligible target for actions - all actions that target the Hider specifically will fail. ", that Jason would have given a read hider something like "No result."

Giving a single example of a game where a non-standard hider was used is great, but 3787 carries more weight.

If you are in fact, a hider who received an incorrect result from the mod, then I suggest you plead your case prior to your actual flip.

If you want to confess to being a specific scum, then give us all of your team's info, and that allows us to catch the other last scum, then our town history books will reflect that your scumteam came in Second Place, if that is any consolation.

[PeregrineV]

And I forgot I moved it

Vote: Aunt Jemina

[PeregrineV]

Then i guess I'm confused on how you watched and saw no one visit an ineligible target, meaning you would not be able to watch him, as defined by "ineligible".

[PeregrineV]

On the contrary, just because I refuse to reveal the credentials does not mean they cease to exist. Cabby's the only one with more than myself.

Point of clarity: though true, I must admit that I do prefer playing over moderating, and that I am not as actively involved in moderating as I should be. However, I intend to run a game under this name soon for those who are interested. (I am looking to make a Mini Normal.)

(expired on 2014-07-29 14:16:16)

till Day 6 Deadline

I would additionally like to point out that our deadline is 1.5 days away.

That is not a great amount of time to do much. Particularly depending on the strength of Zexxy's V/LA. (If his V/LA means he cannot access the site at all, he cannot move his vote.) If you wish to focus on anything aside from a lynch, it must be done with haste, as focusing on not no-lynching should be a priority.

Get that mod clarification, and I'll lynch displaced instead.

[PeregrineV]

vezokpiraka
Aunt Jemina
Luca Blight
PeregrineV
RachMarie
ZZZX
Malakittens
beastcharizard

Aunt J can start off with who killed Cabd, then we can lynch them and end this game. Thank you for your participation. ~The Managment

[PeregrineV]

PereV why am I in that list..?

You are one of the 8 players left alive.

[PeregrineV]

Part of me wants to hammer, but if she is town, then scum will avoid killing me tonight which means I'll either be the mislynch or fight being the mislynch and have to do a bunch of work figuring it out. I'd rather use the 10 days to check interactions first, then we proceed with AuntJ lynch, and if she is town, the work is done, and if she is scum, then maybe the game ends.

[PeregrineV]

Can someone point me to where PeregrineV was "cleared" by the other scum faction and what they said exactly. I've been digging a bit and haven't found it.

Claim: Rolecop

Investigated PeregrineV. He's Town.

Flavor: Gambit, thief type. "Remy LeBeau"

@Viomi: How do you know PV is town? What was the exact result you got?

-Bulba

VT. "Vanilla Town".

Also I've been a town cop / rolecop multiple times o.o

That's my flavor btw, not Pere's. :L

They gave me the result "Vanilla Town" in green.

Are you saying I should be lynched for that, Bulba?

I am, in fact, VT.

[PeregrineV]

(We have two weeks; he is insisting we quicklynch myself in less than 48 hours. If you do not see this as suspicious, I know not what to tell you.)

I would additionally point out that vezzy has been saying we should lynch me ever since D4, and has taken that stance to the exclusion of all other content. (This, in fact, is one of the main reasons I suspect vezzy is sour, as I will be demonstrating.) He has only now stepped up his push on me, out of necessity.

Yesterday, he pushed me but not this hard.
D5, he pushed me but not this hard.
D4, he pushed me but not this hard.

The only logical reason for his push on me to be stronger is that I made my intention clear: write up the case for why he is sour, and then let my words be vindicated by my sweet flip. This would be disastrous to him if the town were to listen, and given the strength behind my words, this was a likely outcome. If you do not believe me, iso him yourself.

I'll do this, but if you can show interactions between Vezok and known scum, it would help more. Instances of distancing or scumbuddy deflections or weak bussing have more weight than pushing for your lynch.

[PeregrineV]

C'mon pere. Just hammer this scum.

it's going to happen, but first-

Part of me wants to hammer, but if she is town, then scum will avoid killing me tonight which means I'll either be the mislynch or fight being the mislynch and have to do a bunch of work figuring it out. I'd rather use the 10 days to check interactions first, then we proceed with AuntJ lynch, and if she is town, the work is done, and if she is scum, then maybe the game ends.

[PeregrineV]

Guess I'll start Squirrel Girl today.

[PeregrineV]

Guess I'll start Squirrel Girl today.

What does this mean?

I think the last scum is marvel, and Rfflig and Squirrel Girl are both dead Marvel. I want to see what interactions exist between current living players and her.

[PeregrineV]

I can show you AJ is scum in just 5 seconds.

THadmiral was killed night 1 by marvel scum. Do you think anyone in this game fears THad as a scumhunter? If your answers are me and AJ then you are right.

I don't think anyone else in this game knows Thadmiral.

I do. He usually scumreads me pretty quikcly, but I feel like I have a good handle on his game at this point.

Why do you think he was killed for being him and not his posts?

[PeregrineV]

As a start:
Iso Squirly.
If you can find so much as a single reference to vezzy in Squirly's iso, then your searching skills are greater than mine.
In the entirety of Squirly's posting, Squirly never once mentions vezzy.

I did, and no Vezok.

Vezok iso has one mention of Squirells argument with someone else.

However, Vezok was early and hard proponent of Rufflig wagon and lynch. Considering why bus when you can scumhunt the other team, don't see Rufflig-bussing as prime scum-Vezok play.

Why Rufflig when he could have Yates? (1280, 1354)

[PeregrineV]

Kind of read/skimmed, and leaving soon, so I will say I don;t think there is any more DC scum. If there was, they would have to have cross-killed or withheld thier kill 2 nights in a row to hide the fact they exist. Having played many scum games, I've no-killed a total of once maybe twice, ever. It's too dangerous to do when you can advance your wincon by killing off town instead of trying to talk them into killing themselves.

Don't think Vezok is scum, pretty sure ZZZX is not, Mala is cleared by something, Rach I don't have a read on (but haven't tried real hard- don't remember why not), new guy is super replacement dude (who replaced JoshB).

In the end, down for an Aunt J lynch, if that's the way we are goingto go. If not, Squirrel Girl iso perusal indicates that most likely vettrock is last Marvel scum.

Feel free to argue why this is or is not so.

And before I forget, I had both Rufflig and Squirrel and moderate and light town respectively, so their flips were not to my liking while also a relief.
Nero I sincerely didn't realize was still in the game until he was modkilled. That in itself should have been a red flag to me, since my Nero radar is usually on "high".

Anyways, until I get back-

Vote: vettrock

[PeregrineV]

While I agree with the fact that if Aunt J is not the last scum then vettrock must be, I still think AJ has a less than 0% chance of flipping town.

I haven't looked at Rufflig yet, but Squirrel's called Rufflig town, and seem to be exasperated with Josh, who was pushing her about *something*. That exasperation turned into a reluctant scumread, so my guess was he was over-distancing himself, much to her annoyance.

[PeregrineV]

I noticed that, but I forgot about it.
The only thing that bothers me is the way josh replaced. If he was the last marvel scum why wait so long to replace when he could've coasted to Lylo probably.

Anyway the most damning thing about aj is the way she knew titus wasn't the last marvel scum.

Guessing you meant before the flip? Is there a post where she says it?

[PeregrineV]

I should additionally note that with this death, we should be making the most of the time we have. The death was not what most of us expected, am I correct?

With this in mind, then, it becomes a question of

why

the death is not what most of us expected. Speculating on nightkill analysis may not in fact lead to any definitive conclusions, but it may give us some ideas as to where we go next.

Though I will obviously be here providing my input, giving my own thoughts and answering any questions you may have about my stances, I will also be continuing what I began but did not finish yesterday. It is not exactly going to be "from where I left off", as I need to investigate the flip and what it may mean. But for the time being, assume my thoughts have not changed until I tell you they have.

With that in mind, I am throwing out this as a preliminary vote while I continue my research:
VOTE: vezokpiraka.

I'll keep reading your psots, but without a smoking gun and magic bullet, I'm not voting Vezzok today.

[PeregrineV]

i'm either killed because I'm defending scum; or scum want to WIFOM me and think I'm doing the first so it's easier to lynch the said person.

then why Rach over you? that makes zero sense to me.

[PeregrineV]

i'm either killed because I'm defending scum; or scum want to WIFOM me and think I'm doing the first so it's easier to lynch the said person.

then why Rach over you? that makes zero sense to me.

i dont know if Rach and i were defending the same.

Also unless the ninja is x-shot.

idk theres many possibilities.

I mean, you were confirmed town, why waste killing Rach when the juicy target of you was alive and available?

[PeregrineV]

i'm either killed because I'm defending scum; or scum want to WIFOM me and think I'm doing the first so it's easier to lynch the said person.

then why Rach over you? that makes zero sense to me.

i dont know if Rach and i were defending the same.

Also unless the ninja is x-shot.

idk theres many possibilities.

I mean, you were confirmed town, why waste killing Rach when the juicy target of you was alive and available?

Now that we know Rach was a cop, It makes sense to kill her first to avoid exposure, but if they are a godfather that shouldn't be a concern.

This brings up, how did they know that Rach was a cop? I would doubt that they would have ninja, godfather, and investigative power, That seems extreme. This points back to AJ and her watcher status. Perhaps she is scum, and watcher and saw Rach investigate someone?

I'm thinking scum is veko or AJ or both. Pere is cleared by the scum claim, combined with Rach's crumb. Mala is town. ZZZY was cop cleared before.

We know that Rach was a cop, now that she flipped.
She can only be killed "first" if scum knew she was a cop.
None of her posts have her claiming cop (although in retrospect you can see the crumb/results), so why question remains, why was Rach killed when confirmed town Mala was there, and Aunt J apparently cannot "see the killer"?

[PeregrineV]

Then it would appear we are at an impasse, here. As I cannot eat brains (that honor is Nati's), I do not think we can compromise. I have shown extensively why I feel vezzy is sour. Why do you think he is not? Can you tell me with a straight face that this is the same vezzy you squared off against in Organic Chemistry?

Coulnd't tell you, since I was scum that game and knew he wasn't.

[PeregrineV]

when was pere cop cleared? It is basically a "he is not scum team k" kind of read. prob a vanilla (but could be a goon)

However I was cleared by a real cop unlike pere who was cleared by a scum rolecop

anyway I am starting to think about something interesting thou.

I am feeling Vezok's pain right now :<

Where were you cleared? I thought Mala was cleared by hider.

[PeregrineV]

10 players alive....

Hider Cleared (100% conf):

23 Cabd
19 Malakittens

Cop Cleared:

12 RachMarie

Cleared by virtue of Viomi being derp (technically could be a gambit):

11 PeregrineV

Cleared by virtue of being really obviously town in my eyes and not on the table while I live:

22 beastcharizard

The leftovers:

4 vezokpiraka
6 Aunt Jemina
7 Luca Blight
14 ZZZX
25 displaced




So that's 5 and 5. Pretty much near a complete town rout if any of those remaining five unclaimed have any sort of provable PR or results etc. And even if not, it's pretty much a veeeeeery stacked in towns favor odds of hitting scum by lynching that pool of 5. Assuming worst case...

10 alive (1/9)
Mislynch, nightkill
8 alive (1/7)
Mislynch, nightkill
6 alive (1/5)
Mislynch, nightkill
4 alive (1/3)
Nolynch, nightkill
3 alive (1/2)

So we have 4 lynches to hit scum in five players. I don't suppose scum is willing to claim and let us get this over with nicely?

Mmk, result get. ZZZX is clean.

Oh, missed this. If there's not a godfather, we autowin.

Yeah, so all of the ridiculous speculation that I could be a Godfather but the 2 other cop cleared players could NOT be godfathers can be the source of the next few days conversations.

And this speculation would have to lead to

Encryptor-JK-Tracker

vs

Rolecop-Encryptor-GF/Ninja

vs

dayvig-hider-doc-cop-deputy-AuntJclaim-VTs

vs

kill proof but not II SK

So talk about what's wrong with this speculation and how 1 of the 3 cleared players is a GF. Because yeah.

Vote: Aunt Jemima

[PeregrineV]

Yeah, so all of the ridiculous speculation that I could be a Godfather but the 2 other cop cleared players could NOT be godfathers can be the source of the next few days conversations.

This is precisely one of the reasons I think Zexxy could be sour, deary.

And this speculation would have to lead to

Encryptor-JK-Tracker

vs

Rolecop-Encryptor-GF/Ninja

vs

dayvig-hider-doc-cop-deputy-AuntJclaim-VTs

vs

kill proof but not II SK

So talk about what's wrong with this speculation and how 1 of the 3 cleared players is a GF. Because yeah.

Vote: Aunt Jemima

It's not, deary. It'd be Encryptor-JK-GF/Ninja vs. Encryptor-2xRolecop-2xTracker(-?).

You appear to not have the scumteams straight. DC,

if

still existing, likely have another member, either a goon or another weak role. (JOAT, 2x roleblocker, or something akin to that.) Marvel, however, must be the faction with the Godfather-ninja.

I would strongly advise you to unvote if you made your vote on faulty analysis, as you appear to have.

Yeah, I see I got the groupings wrong, but all and all you get my drift.

[PeregrineV]

Also the day that the game ended in the no lynch. I meant to hammer AJ but I was running way late to work and my coworkers wanted like 5 Starbucks things. So I kinda was more focused on that and when I got upstairs no wifi so no time to hammer sorry

I was wondering, because I came back and was surprised by the no-lynch. Figured she talked people out of it, but when I read it turned out just not the 4 or 5 votes.

AuntJ's Godfather/Ninja/Superman argument was entertaining, but we had already gone through this before:

Subject: FINISHED You could be anyone Mafia

He's only vulnerable to insane cops if the cop investigates them before investigating any vanilla townies I think. He'd be more vulnerable to insane cops if he showed up as town to them, since eventually an insane cop is going to figure out what is going on.
Same deal with paranoid cops. If a cop gets guilty results on everyone, including flipped vanilla townies, and then he suddenly investigates someone and they show up town? The point of a godfather is to be protected from cops, he shouldn't be the only person in the game who can be a confirmed scum read to paranoid cops.

So GF isn't immune to those cop types, he gets the opposite of his normal result?

Paranoid cop invesitagets and always gets guilty.
GF role gives favorable result to cop.
In theory, GF returns a guilty.
???

Will start this up in Mafia Discussion too.

[PeregrineV]

Great game overall. Scum played well, and town played well enough.

@Jason

- Can you post night actions and QTs also?

[PeregrineV]

It's about time someone lynched her. As for our last hiding target, that was due to the Mozamis quick lynch. Fenix and I didn't have the time necessary to coordinate night actions with Chandra, so we decided to play it safe by hiding in our semi-conf. pile. Eddie was a little nervous about Nero, who I thought was town, so I decided to throw him a bone. If we would have been able to coordinate our actions, we probably would have hidden behind either Displaced or AJ.

@PV: I can't believe you didn't nail AJ on her Vezok argument. You were in Organic Chemistry Mafia as well. The only reason Vezok didn't get lynched for his abnormal play (read: different than typical town play) there was because he was conf. town. Otherwise, he'd have been lynched early in that game.

I really did ISO Squirrel Rufflig and Vezok. The action did not look like scum on scum, so there was no way I was going to lynch him.

In Organic, I liked his play (because I was scum ) but I can see how it can be annoying. But, it's so far improved from Cold War Mafia that I find him much easier to read and play with now.

[PeregrineV]

PerV: I enjoyed the back and forth that we had. The game seemed a lot easier after that.

Thanks, it helped me get a town read on you, enough to make it through 4 replacments.

But, I was also reading Squirrel and Rufflig as town before their flip, so

[PeregrineV]

setup and actions

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/qCdKXWQtqgT

Why the no-kills by Marvel?