Star Trek Deep Space Nine Season 1 Mafia(game over!)

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Do Day 1s here always move this quickly out of the silly BS beginning stage? Because if so I'm going to LOVE it here.

Anyway hi friends. I'm brand spanking new here so I know absolutely zero about any of the players (which is good I guess because it removes bias?) except for my good friend Jamierus. I read through Day 1 twice now and to my dismay I have nothing I can bring to the table at this point in time. I can't begin to decipher who Ludicrous might be because, assuming he's some sort of character from the show, I don't know anything about the theme.

What I'm most curious about at this point is the argument between Senator and Lick, but I can't tell if it's town vs town or scum vs town yet. (heck it could even be scum trying to distance from each other but that's probably a stretch) I'm not even sure how to go about trying to read Lick's playstyle. Peregrine's attempt to guess Ludicrous's name puts me slightly at ease (hey at least he tried).

Unfortunately that's all that I can come up with at this point.

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I'm thinking its likely your scum at this point for being so sure I am scum

Note: I'm currently in the middle of reading through the thread so I am not completely caught up yet but... the only response I have to this is "Really?"

I'm considering a vote just for this sentence alone but like I said, not done reading. Just wanted to say that that right there screams red flags at me.

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kk so I'm trying to find literally any conversation without Lick in it (bc I want to try to read other people) and it's the hardest thing ever. From what I can see I like Hostile, I think they're probably town so far. As far as I know I'm okay with Maxwell. I'm wary of Sinsun because I find no lynches on Day One to be a complete waste of time (reading back, the immediate 3rd party assumption is a bit sketchy but I can see where he's coming from). I'm in agreement with Channel, I'd rather Lick be Vig'd than lynched, I was just thinking that earlier.

That's about all I can get a read for at this point.

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Yeah Day 1 lynches can ALWAYS be used to find information.

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k

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Wagon Sinsun with me for a bit.

I'd be down.

VOTE: Vote: Sinsun

Meanwhile, I don't think Lick knows what OMGUS is...

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WOW APPARENTLY I DON'T KNOW HOW VOTE TAGS WORK YEAH GO ME

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That's about all I can get a read for at this point.

What do you think of me?

i think you're beautiful

Sometimes I think you're town and sometimes I don't. It's my first time playing with you and it's a couple days into Day 1 so I haven't quite figured out how to read you just yet. There are times when I think you might be joking but I'm not sure (89 (I really hope I coded that right)), and you're also very adamant about lynching certain people, some I agree with (SinSun), some I'm completely confounded about (PB (although to be fair that was only towards the beginning)).

However, overall the way you purposely spark conversation makes you lean town to me.

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yea, l think that the data given out clearly points to lickety being scum, even if everyone is death tunneling him.

VOTE:LicketyQuickety

What data? Could you elaborate on exactly why you're voting for him?

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I think both Sinsun and LQ are bad lynches. Hell, Saint is a better lynch and I'm still deciding whether his claim is real or not.

I'm voting for Sinsun because it's better than nothing and/or everything else imo although Zabing's response to my question will determine whether or not I want to switch. I do agree that just saying "data points to this guy XDDDD" isn't a very good reason to vote someone, and given that it's Lick it makes me think he's scum just trying to find literally any reason to lynch town.

(I may or may not have just talked myself into thinking Zabing is scum while writing this post.)

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literally why did you feel the need to claim

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Did you not see all the people just saying they would rather not lynch you?

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I had an anti town role

read: Please lynch me

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That's a darn shame

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Meanwhile, I'm going to do the ol' switcheroo, even though my previous vote wasn't counted so I'll just

VOTE: Zabing12

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who's going to lynch sinsun and/or zabing with me

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Zabing hasn't either. But I do think that anyone that stayed on the Lickety lynch for so long is very suspicious.

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Either you're a moron or I hate your play.

Wagon Sinsun with me for a bit.

I'd be down.

VOTE: Vote: Sinsun

Meanwhile, I don't think Lick knows what OMGUS is...

Well that was incredibly rude.

LittleGumball - I think they bit off more than they can chew, which is prolly just their playstyle. Don't know about their experience as a player at all.

What do you mean by this?

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@Lick I don't see how that answers my second question.

also still salty about being called a moron but whatev

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At this point I'd be okay with either a Zabing lynch or a Sinsun lynch. I thought I had another one earlier but I've forgotten.

Yeah, LG is like a pro I'm pretty sure. Do you do programming or some shit like that?

what

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Besides, there are tons of scummy players to choose from at this point.

Like who?

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pppppffffsssssssso who are we lynching?

Hopefully you c:

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what did I do?

Mostly this:

Spoiler: some quotes

yea, l think that the data given out clearly points to lickety being scum, even if everyone is death tunneling him.

VOTE:LicketyQuickety

I want to vote senator.

VOTE:SENATOR

It's a pretty good argument:

VOTE: RIP

pppppffffsssssssso who are we lynching?

First quote: You say "all the data points to him being scum" but, even when asked, you don't point out what kind of data.
Second quote: You ask someone why they voted for someone, and then immediately vote for someone else without providing a reason.
Third quote: You don't even mention which argument you think is a good one, let alone come up with your own evidence against him.
Fourth quote: Not even trying to hide the fact that you're just parroting everyone else at this point, you're just going to be a "good little townie" and follow what everyone else is doing.


Basically, I think you're mafia and therefore I'd like to lynch you.

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Can someone explain to me why sinsun isn't getting lynched?

Because we're lynching Zabing instead.

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I like the CDB lynch. Let's wait until he's back, then lynch him.

'cause lynching someone while they aren't looking is rude.

If Channel had a few more opinions out it would be nice to know his alignment. However, I'm not nearly curious (or suspicious of him) enough to lynch him, so I'm sticking to my vote.

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LQ posts make me want to slam my head into the wall. Roddenberry is still a godawful claim, BP just happens to be the single most convenient scumclaim in the universe, he's not played like one either (kudos whoever noted that he claimed it triggers on NK as well) and I think it's worth the risk to lynch him

Ludicrous, what is it you think i should have seen on skim that I didn't, and why should it have overruled my own thoughts

Undermining my cred while I'm on V/LA is something that would only make scum happy btw as the ratio of sensible posters:infuriating noise-makers is particularly skewed in this game as it is.

Unlikely to have time to read in more depth until I'm on a quieter day at th Commune tbf (maybe Monday) but I'll do what I can tomorrow. Still not sorry for being on the trip so soon afte gamestart given when signups began but do feel bad that I can't do more. Think LQ dead venefits town but a look at klingoncelt wouldn't be bad based on hs early nonrelevant posts IIRC

Bye for now

i don't feel like cropping this post to what i actually want to respond to

I'd rather lynch someone that I think is scum rather than someone posting ballistically. Lick should be N1 vig'd rather than us wasting a lynch on him.

Pedit:

Sinsun is prob town. Can we move on from that now?

Why do you think that?

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Shut up. You suck. You don't even have anything on your wiki.

LMAO

what even is this post

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Zabing has requested replacement.

Please unvote until the replacement can be checked out.

Why? Afraid your scumbud will die?

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LQ is a bloody idiot. Hell perhaps he's Jester and I am giving him what he wants, while RIP is becoming active now, LQ needs to learn when to be quiet. Not only is he not allowing others to speak (which prevents town from efficiently reading others), he's making a bloody fool of himself.

UNVOTE: RIP
VOTE: LQ

I say let us lose a bloody day, our PRs get two uses of their abilities as well. I can't stand another day with LQ alive. I'm locking in this vote, I am not changing it for any reason good or bad. He has disrupted any chance to use Day 1 to read anybody. Every single page has 3-6 posts just by him alone. Am I frustrated right now? Yes. I can't stand village idiots. Letting LQ live until Day 2 is bloody anti-town in its self because we're not going to benefit a single thing with him alive. Day 2 with him alive will be exactly like today, him yapping and having "scum" reads on people for the most stupidest things.

The sad part is, I think it's because he's still new to Mafia as a whole, either that or he only ever played RT mafia before this game because it requires no real scum hunting and the games end within 30 mins (tops).

Anyway, I am ending my rant for now and getting off before I blow up at LQ even further for wasting everyone's Day 1 so efficiently he has effectively helped scum for N1.

FP'd twice. LQ, believe me, no one needs to ISO you, you are on every fucking page...

What's the problem with him getting vig'd tonight? Would you rather lynch scum or probable town?

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LG, what do you think of the Jeanne11 slot?

Hard to think much of something that doesn't show up.

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If there is room for a vig kill on me tonight, you guys are going to have to

really

know what you are doing. It doesn't make sense to me at all. Especially if its a X-Shot, meaning I have no idea how many shots it would be. If its just a plain old vig I suppose I can see that it has some bearing on me, but other than that, on a basic level, it makes no sense.

A vig kill would be anti-Town enough to warrant a lynch on whoever did it.

I think it would make more sense for an investigator to cop you tonight.

No, if he really is a Beloved Princess that makes us lose a day NO MATTER HOW HE DIES then it's best to get it out of the way before scum uses it on lylo. For those of us who want him out of the game then this is the way to go. Besides, I find that Vigilantes are often lacking in information to make a well-placed shot on Night 1. I don't know how it works here, but N1 where I come from is usually absent from vig kills or the vig makes a really stupid kill.

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I've been thinking and there is a chance scum would leave him alive tonight so we'd be forced to waste a day lynching him tomorrow, lose day 3 and then in a way lose 2 days, so maybe we should lynch him.

I'm not talking about scum here. Assuming there's a vigilante in the game, that's the way for him to go. It will not only confirm whether or not he's lying and it prevents scum from taking advantage of his role. If there isn't a vig then... well we might be screwed lol

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I'm serious LG, I don't want to risk anything blocking the vig or there simply not being a vig, I CANNOT stand another day with LQ in it. You can hate me all you want for it, but we can't get a clear read on anyone to even guess scum. I am just hoping LQ is actually scum to kill two birds with one stone.

But I am leaving my vote on him for the sake of my sanity going into Day 2. I have only ever been this adamant about lynching someone off to better town regardless what role they are one other time in my history of Mafia. I go for scum as much as I can, but I can't do it with LQ here. None of us can. There has been very little discussion today without LQ in it and it's driving me nuts that there can't be a single conversation or read from anyone else without LQ butting in.

No, I want to hang him up on that tree and hear the neck snap by the end of Day 1.

1. calm down bro you are getting way too into it
2. No one can scumhunt with Lick in the game? I seem to be doing an okay job of finding Zabing suspicious, unless you think I'm just randomly voting her (or her replacement or whatever).

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If zabing flips town there's at least two scum on this wagon.

So many zabing votes without reasoning it's hilarious.

I cannot agree with this more.

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People blindly refusing to lynch LQ just because he wrote the word "beloved" are more likely to be scum than town FYI

So what's your plan of action then? Who would you rather lynch and why? What do you think should be done with him?

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People blindly refusing to lynch LQ just because he wrote the word "beloved" are more likely to be scum than town FYI

So what's your plan of action then? Who would you rather lynch and why? What do you think should be done with him?

oh honestly i thought this was the cleverest of posts but it's actually junk

just freaking great

Pretend I said something intelligent in that post above. Meanwhile, what's your stance on him being vig'd instead of lynched?

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Literally my second-last post explained why I want to lynch LQ as likely scum.

yeah that was my bad I misunderstood

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UNVOTE:
VOTE: LicketyQuickety

STAY STRONG, BROTHER

DON'T LET HIM FOOL YOU

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Its also easier b/c most of the player are town, thus by town hunting you will be mostly correct wich I think most players do to make themselves look better. town hunting is dumb. /end rant

i kind of like town hunting if its in general but looking for PR like ive seen someone do this game (senator) is scummy

Proof of PR hunting?

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Oh, speaking of VLA I'll be gone for two weeks on June 4, just after the end of Day 1, just so everyone knows.

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Why are you so suspicious of me?

This post actually makes me a little bit suspicious. If you're town there's no reason for you to be jumpy and defensive like that. He never said he was suspicious, only asked for some reasoning on why people think you're town.

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About my reads list, I'm not liking it much. I've got 10 people as Scum/Lean Scum. That's an awful lot.

It wouldn't be so bad if I had 10 Nulls.

Some players need to step up their Town game.

tbh better to be overly cautious than overly trusting imo.

also, WB is welcome back

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Welp, In request of sin,

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

Yeah I'm comfortable with my vote.

Did anyone not see the video the Monkeyman conveniently posted where it says "Created by Gene Roddenbury" in the intro scene?

Another question to everyone: Do mods normally post videos on day 1 or is monkeyman trying to help us or what's the dealio with that

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Lickety is chaos to the town, confusing, constantly FOsing people without points, and acting as a spammer. Also I hate him. I guess It's kind of a OMGUS.

well I kind of posted without seeing this (congrats on posting your first actual reason) but I still think you're scum.

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Where's

davesaz?

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because Sin asked nicely?

Ask nice enough and people will do what you want them to do. In this case, ridding the town of a migraine.

Please lynch yourself

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ew ew ew omg that smiley face ewww

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2lazy2quote

I'm the opposite, I watched only the most recent one. Just so happened to have Mr. Roddenberry (btw I can't spell c: ) in it.

Max, what do you think of Channel?

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It's late so I'll give you the short version about CDB. Didn't like him early game, but recent events have changed that. Don't want to call it a townread, it's closer to null, and highly conditional on the flips of Archmage and LQ. I agree with a lot of CDB's reads, as well as his frustration over the LQ lynch. Gut says that slot is scum but my gut is fucking stupid usually so I'm gonna ignore it and say go with null, very slight lean on town, could swing either way depending on flips. (but if flips go the way I think they'll go, CDB will remain awkwardly shoved into the town column)

Fair enough. I do agree that flips definitely matter. I'm leaning more null/scum than null/town though. It's strange that (as far as I can remember, I'll check back to see if this is actually accurate) this is the only lynch Channel has been pushing for.

Another question to everyone: Are vigilantes commonplace in large games like this? Where I come from they're almost a guarantee. Is it the same here?

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Vigs should by all means feel free to off LQ Tonight, but I'd rather aim to lynch scum Today.

Channel

, why has your viewpoint on this changed?

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this game...

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What do you guys think about the possibility of a Lyncher with the target happening to be Lick?

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If HI is somehow insane, a simple question we already know the answer to will determine that.

should have responded to this then I was Pedited, but potato.

What kind of question would that be, though?

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Makes sense. Don't know why I couldn't have thought of any of that.

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Hi friends. Sorry about the absence, that normally doesn't happen. I'll be as active as I can.

So a while ago I kind of skimmed the majority of the previous day, and Salamence was really the only person I trusted. I began to see Senator as a Lickety 2.0 of sorts where I just wanted him out of the game.

It is obvious to me that scum is controlling this game. I'm going to look through the game if I can (will likely be tomorrow bc it's 1am and i'm tired af) and I'm going to pick out some reads. My prediction is that, assuming there are 4 mafia members in the game, at least one of them is an inactive, if not two. The remaining members are actively participating in discussion and have high influence on who is getting lynched (because let's be honest, Lick and Senator were easy lynches simply because of their behavior). Mafia is smart this round and town cannot afford to make stupid/obvious mistakes.

Can someone summarize the whole Hider discussion? I'm not overly familiar with playing with Hiders but I have a general idea of how they work.


this post is awful, sozzles friends but it's 1am and i can't function properly

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i lied i'm in the middle of reading a couple things instead of doing the smart thing and just going to bed already but I want to point out that i'm p sure that senator (aka confirmed town) thought that kling was scum so maybe that's a thing to do some research on (sorry if there's a claim or something obvious i missed)

k no more posting for me tonight

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I will decide the lynch today

LMAO

Senator(9) - Riabi, KlingonCelt, Titus, Sinsun1, Salamence20, Nero Cain, ChannelDelibird, Narninian, Senator

[Lynch!]

Based on this alone, without having read reasoning for voting, I'd probably put my scum placements on either Kling or Titus, and Nero and, if I HAD to put a 3rd and knowing that Salamence is town, either Sinsun or Channel or Narn.

I'd put Suzune as town because I townread Jamierus. I'm liking Dave.

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i lied i'm in the middle of reading a couple things instead of doing the smart thing and just going to bed already but I want to point out that i'm p sure that senator (aka confirmed town) thought that kling was scum so maybe that's a thing to do some research on (sorry if there's a claim or something obvious i missed)

k no more posting for me tonight

Me mostly, but he suspected everyone, and I do mean

everyone

else as well. He didn't have a case on anybody.

He was being ridiculous.

Doesn't mean he can't be right about you. I'm in the middle of reading though so I'm hardly at all aware of what happened Day 2. And like I said, it's something to research. I'm not automatically pinning you as scum just because someone else said you were, I'm just trying to make a note of dead people's suspicions. There's a reason they're dead and that's usually because scum wants them dead, we just have to figure out why.

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Based on this alone, without having read reasoning for voting, I'd probably put my scum placements on either Kling or Titus, and Nero and, if I HAD to put a 3rd and knowing that Salamence is town, either Sinsun or Channel or Narn.

I'd put Suzune as town because I townread Jamierus. I'm liking Dave.

I like your reads.
Let's speed lynch CDB.

I appreciate the sentiment but I'm not into speed lynches. I'm more interested in what Channel has to say since I believe he hasn't posted all Day. (going to go check up on that right now to make sure i'm not talking out of my rump)

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note to self: don't lose your notes partway through reading things that you missed

sozzles friends

Pedit: @Thor: Yep, I was certainly around yesterday so I most definitely obviously know everything that happened.

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Well, you know we lynched town and you know I made a comment about 3 counterwagons to CDB - what else would you like to be filled in on in order to make speedwagoning tasty looking to you?

A comment or two from Channel c:

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Who cares - he's dodge scum or lurk VT
Go read his comments from yesterday near lynch - I highly doubt anything of worth has shifted. Maybe he'll shift his value call on me and/or Titus - but he already had a moment looking down the guns.
Why would you expect anything new or interesting today?

I'm in the middle of reading yesterday, currently on page 65ish. I'll get there.

We've got plenty of time.

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So a while ago I kind of skimmed the majority of the previous day, and Salamence was really the only person I trusted.

I don't get this. Sal had a handful of posts that were mostly (all?) bad

It is obvious to me that scum is controlling this game. I'm going to look through the game if I can (will likely be tomorrow bc it's 1am and i'm tired af) and I'm going to pick out some reads. My prediction is that, assuming there are 4 mafia members in the game, at least one of them is an inactive, if not two.

Scum is controlling the game but half the team is inactive? :S

The remaining members are actively participating in discussion and have high influence on who is getting lynched

I'd agree here but I think it is probably the whole team, and they probably have several members that are being widely townread

don't feel like sorting the quotes ayy

Looking back, you're right... Sal had nothing. I suppose it was just the feel of the first post that got me going "Yeah! Town!"

Yes scum is controlling the game. That much is obvious. It's just that there are certain players who are getting away with saying literally anything while slipping through the shadows and the town's attention is getting directed away from them because of the active scum.

A question for everyone: If CDB didn't exist, who would be your lynch target for today?

I'm not going to vote for mine because I haven't decided whether or not I want to help lynch CDB. However I will say that the person I want to lynch most is RIP, who seems to me to be sliding under the radar with his complete BS while everyone else is busy lynching CDB. My other target is Kling, but imo she can't be scum if he's scum because she's been pointing out his ridiculousness all game.

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and Salamence was really the only person I trusted

Why did you trust him?

Explained here:

Looking back, you're right... Sal had nothing. I suppose it was just the feel of the first post that got me going "Yeah! Town!"

Can someone summarize the whole Hider discussion? I'm not overly familiar with playing with Hiders but I have a general idea of how they work.

They think he crumbed hiding behind CBD...which would make CBD scum since he died but I felt the CBD crumb was a huge stretch. On the other side we have Max hiding behind Saint who was shot by Sen and if that is true then scums kill was blocked or something. Your thoughts?[/quote]
Can scum straight-up shoot a Hider? If not then I think Max probably hid behind Saint considering I probably would have done the same because of the mod getting involved. On the other hand I can sort of see the whole crumb thing (yay for learning new terms) but like... to me that post says that he thought CDB was town. But then I still think that it's more likely that he hid behind Saint.

Conclusion: 69% chance Max hid behind Saint, 30% Channel. 1% He chose someone else c: c: c:

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ISO'd Zabing slot aka Riabi and I think that Riabi would also be a decent lynch. Mostly for tunneling Senator but also because he used to be Zabing. He often sits on the sidelines and dodges around questions and doesn't really answer/give an opinion.

So yeah, in order of who I want to lynch at this point: RIP, very closely followed by Kling, and then Riabi.

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Vote: KlingonCelt

Jumping to the top of my scum list, you've been on both town lynches and at the moment I'm townreading Sinsun.

RIP has slid a little bit down my scum list (switching places with Kling basically) because he's starting to remind me of a player back "home."

Channel has climbed up my scum list a little bit.

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Sinsun's been aggressively wrong the whole game. Why are you reading him as Town?

Gut, mostly. He also scopes things out (almost as if he's s-s-scumhunting!) and doesn't appear to be on a team, and he doesn't seem to me to be acting for the sake of only himself. Not playing for a team, not playing for himself, I think he's town.

I could just be remembering things wrong but right now I'd like to see your alignment. Which, imo, is likely to turn up scum.

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oop my b that's a quote fail

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The thing about RIP is, we can always lynch him later if his results come up bs.

I have a thought in mind but I don't think that I should say it because it would probably look like rolefishing. However I will say that I don't think mafia would kill Hostile, especially because of that awful fakeclaim. And Senator said he didn't try to shoot Hostile.

Also, assuming mafia wouldn't kill Hostile, someone somewhere stopped mafia night 2. Therefore, one person either blocked mafia and knows it or protected town and knows it. That's something to keep in mind.

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I don't think that I should say it because it would probably look like rolefishing.

Why are you worried about looking like a rolefisher?

I vaguely remember a situation about someone jumping the gun early on in Day 1 about rolefishing and it intimidated me. I'm still new to the site so I don't really know how to act because it's so different than the place I was playing before. + I'm a natural worrier Plus I don't want to give away my thoughts to the mafia because that could potentially go down badly.

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It seems to me that Channel has lost interest in trying to defend himself. Personally I believe this, coupled with the possibility he's not lying about being VT, makes him town-aligned.

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I don't think losing interest in the game is a town tell.

Usually when people get important roles (aka PRs or mafia) they try their darndest to stay alive. Unless that's not a thing here, which I doubt.

However if he flips and it turns out I'm wrong feel free to rub it in my face.

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At the very least we'll get information.

According to an ISO of your posts and ctrl+F-ing the word "information," you have never cared about lynching someone for information before. Why do you want to do so now?

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At the very least we'll get information.

According to an ISO of your posts and ctrl+F-ing the word "information," you have never cared about lynching someone for information before. Why do you want to do so now?

Because no one knows who the Scums are. CDB is the strongest suspect.

Notice how the game's gone into total apathy? Notice the number of prods & replacements? If we don't get some sort of info soon this game could wind up abandoned. I don't like abandoning games.

You don't seem like you feel like he's the strongest suspect, judging by your recent posts of voting RIP and Sinsun. We have plenty of information from the last two lynches. Why don't you use those lynches and lynch someone you really think is scum?

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I doubt you're still here Channel (timezones are the BEST) but if you can, a read on each player (as best you can) would be nice.

Keep in mind RIP's claim of being able to track tonight (just in case you don't know/forgot about it).

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Gumball mainly 'cause she "trusted" Sal...when Sal did nothing and Sal died. Looks like whiteknighting to me.

I'll give you that.

In my defense I didn't really read Day 2 (I tried but didn't get very far) so from what little I saw, I think I had seen maybe one post that put me at a good feeling and I remembered it when I saw who died but when I actually looked back at Sal's posts a few days ago I realized there wasn't anything. (that was a run-on and a half~)

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Cbd is not scum.

Klingon might be.
Titus is likely scum.
Peregrine maybe

Care to give any reasons, or...?

I see your reasoning on CDB in the post below the one i'm quoting so you don't have to repeat if you don't want.

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sigh... really... what was that.

Either share your secrets or get lynched. No more lying.

Why on earth would town lie. I am absolutely baffled at some of the players this game.

unvote

Vote: RIP

rip, Rip

[LittleGumball]

Tell me why not one person defended me....
Why did my wagon just picked up in 1 min?

Uh... because you explicitly said the words "I lied" which is probably the stupidest move you could make? Honestly, what were you hoping to gain by saying that? You done goofed. I can't believe you're calling US bad players. Seriously?

I claimed u already know I'm a tracker and ur last chance at winning.

Um... no. Just... no...

You have zero proof of any of that. Literally no proof. You cannot prove a single thing just by saying "oh believe me guys I promise =^)" and considering you literally TOLD US THAT YOU LIED, well, the "pls believe me guise" tactic doesn't work anymore. Please prove literally any part of the statement above. Please.

Scum are all voting me cuz is important I die so they don't waste a kill.

Everyone who's anyone is going to vote you at this point. You did a bad play. Now you're paying for it. Please support literally any claim that you're making instead of just insulting the players (like you're doing below) and pretending you know everything.

Are you guys smart?
Do u know how to play mafia?
If you kill ,e then we get no info and scum kill a conf town role lololol.

lololol u played bad now ur gettin lynched

I really don't see what you're hoping to gain by saying any of this. All you're doing is giving people more of an incentive to lynch you.

[LittleGumball]

Personally I would like to know what he lied about before we hammer. But, if he is mafia he might not say.

Judging by his recent posts, I think that's unlikely, but I really do hope he explains himself clearly.

[LittleGumball]

Mafia is smart and is calling the lunches.
In his own words.

Gum ball:
So a while ago I kind of skimmed the majority of the previous day, and Salamence was really the only person I trusted. I began to see Senator as a Lickety 2.0 of sorts where I just wanted him out of the game.

Lol.

what are you trying to say

you are literally making zero sense

I'm done trying to reason with you. Someone please hammer this scum.

[LittleGumball]

Well since we are all talking about it, I am leaning heavily on Narn and Titus for mafia.

p-edit- I believe LittleGumBall that is he is suggesting you are the scum here. His case makes sense.

Please point out why it does because he certainly hasn't.

[LittleGumball]

sigh... really... what was that.

Either share your secrets or get lynched. No more lying.

Why on earth would town lie. I am absolutely baffled at some of the players this game.

unvote

Vote: RIP

rip, Rip

lolololol.

This is scummy as shit...

He's acknolegimg in town.

Anyone smart enough can see a slip here.

He can't believe why town would lie. Town being me.

Why would scum lie? That's should be the reaction of town.

We can lunch this guy after me btw. This game is easy if u are smart

No.

I am baffled at the players this game because of the ridiculous play of multiple players, namely Lick and Hostile. If you are town, why would you lie?

That's what that line means.

I'm sorry you're salty that you're getting lynched

[LittleGumball]

I believe, and RIP can correct me if I misunderstand, he is saying that you are scum because you are waiting until it is safe to say something. Scum do not have to actively hunt rather use situations to gain a small advantage. The fact that you reveal after the fact that you trusted someone or that you thought they were town. While it looks like a good and fair townie claim, doing it often with no one knowing it is your stance is actually pretty scummy because it looks like you were waiting for the time to announce you were town.

This one here:

So a while ago I kind of skimmed the majority of the previous day, and Salamence was really the only person I trusted. I began to see Senator as a Lickety 2.0 of sorts where I just wanted him out of the game.

Was a quote from you that he did not put in a quote box. However it is interesting that Sala was your one town read when Sala had barely posted anything and filled for another role. however, you mention Sala as town rather then the role they took the place of which would be more accurate since Sala and I entered it on the third to the last day of the phase.

I was actually absent during the whole of Day 3, so anything during that I probably didn't read. I skimmed the beginning and end a while ago and that's about it. I replaced in at the beginning of Day 4 so that's the only time I could post my thoughts about Day 3. And later on I did explain why I thought that and I agreed that it was a silly conclusion because I didn't actually ISO Sala.

[LittleGumball]

So why post it?
U didn't have any reads on anyone. But you had reads on both dead town....
How can u read just them? And what where ur other conclusions?


Nero is very scum driven...
He played in many other games where I lied or bend truth to get Nk or trick scum.
He focus on the only game I scum here in this site. There's 2-3 other games were I actually lied and kept changing up and gambit as town with Nero.

In the NY game I claimed one time and stuck with it. Therefore I didn't do any scum tricking since I was scum.
If he can find a post were I said hey guys I lied as scum I'll self vote. Then we can safely lynch Nero and gumball.

I didn't have reads on anyone because I just joined the game... However I have been posting my reads as they come now. Because I have been reading the game now. If you haven't seen any of my reads then you obviously haven't been reading my posts.

[LittleGumball]

Okay then one at a time. Seriously this is the discussion we needed to have days ago.
@LittleGumBall
In response to this, post 2849. I hate to say it, but why wouldn't you read it? I mean, the majority of this game is reading an analyzing. I read the entire game in order to join it effectively and let me tell you some parts were really boring and the first day was dreadful. But I do not understand, you joined the game on day one. You have day one posts, what do you mean you replaced in the start of day four? It is hard having this much data missing from you. Because all we can look at is what is there.

I began to read and then never finished. I think I got to maybe page 75 and then gave up and then forgot about it as I moved on with daily life as well as the rest of the game.

I was there on day one and then was on vacation for two weeks. Monkeyman replaced me and then I replaced the person that replaced me.

[LittleGumball]

So why post it?
U didn't have any reads on anyone. But you had reads on both dead town....
How can u read just them? And what where ur other conclusions?


Nero is very scum driven...
He played in many other games where I lied or bend truth to get Nk or trick scum.
He focus on the only game I scum here in this site. There's 2-3 other games were I actually lied and kept changing up and gambit as town with Nero.

In the NY game I claimed one time and stuck with it. Therefore I didn't do any scum tricking since I was scum.
If he can find a post were I said hey guys I lied as scum I'll self vote. Then we can safely lynch Nero and gumball.

I didn't have reads on anyone because I just joined the game... However I have been posting my reads as they come now. Because I have been reading the game now. If you haven't seen any of my reads then you obviously haven't been reading my posts.

LIE

LIES. You did have a read.... Two useless ones on dead people, so why are u lying?

You're the one that said I didn't have reads on anyone?

[LittleGumball]

No, read what you said. You literally said I didn't have reads on anyone.

And even so, let me reiterate that I have reads now. Are you going to just ignore those reads?

[LittleGumball]

I didn't lie. I gambit and I'm town.

I said imwS lying which if you think scum lie why do u think scum will out their lying?
Wouldn't that be as dumb as ur thinking right now? I really hope u are scum. Ur game is horrible right now. I hope it's just an act or ur drunk buddy is messing with ur acct

If I claimed town right now would you just accept it and move on? Because that's what you're asking everyone to do. "pls believe me bc i claimed" doesn't work because it's weak. You keep saying "I'm town I'm town" but you haven't proved any of it, all you're doing is giving WIFOM logic how "if I was X i would/wouldn't do Y"

And the second you start to get votes on you, you begin to point fingers at the people voting for you. "They're voting for me because I'm town so they must be scum" is weak.


Pedit: How have you not seen my reads? Did I not earlier say who I was suspicious of in order of how much I suspected them? Did I not say that I was townreading Sinsun? Let me go find them for you since you're being stubborn. I will quote those posts for you and then I will give you a list of how I read each player as best I can.

In turn, will you do the same for me? Will you post a list of reads on each player?

[LittleGumball]

Spoiler:

I will decide the lynch today

LMAO

Senator(9) - Riabi, KlingonCelt, Titus, Sinsun1, Salamence20, Nero Cain, ChannelDelibird, Narninian, Senator

[Lynch!]

Based on this alone, without having read reasoning for voting, I'd probably put my scum placements on either Kling or Titus, and Nero and, if I HAD to put a 3rd and knowing that Salamence is town, either Sinsun or Channel or Narn.

I'd put Suzune as town because I townread Jamierus. I'm liking Dave.

So a while ago I kind of skimmed the majority of the previous day, and Salamence was really the only person I trusted.

I don't get this. Sal had a handful of posts that were mostly (all?) bad

It is obvious to me that scum is controlling this game. I'm going to look through the game if I can (will likely be tomorrow bc it's 1am and i'm tired af) and I'm going to pick out some reads. My prediction is that, assuming there are 4 mafia members in the game, at least one of them is an inactive, if not two.

Scum is controlling the game but half the team is inactive? :S

The remaining members are actively participating in discussion and have high influence on who is getting lynched

I'd agree here but I think it is probably the whole team, and they probably have several members that are being widely townread

don't feel like sorting the quotes ayy

Looking back, you're right... Sal had nothing. I suppose it was just the feel of the first post that got me going "Yeah! Town!"

Yes scum is controlling the game. That much is obvious. It's just that there are certain players who are getting away with saying literally anything while slipping through the shadows and the town's attention is getting directed away from them because of the active scum.

A question for everyone: If CDB didn't exist, who would be your lynch target for today?

I'm not going to vote for mine because I haven't decided whether or not I want to help lynch CDB. However I will say that the person I want to lynch most is RIP, who seems to me to be sliding under the radar with his complete BS while everyone else is busy lynching CDB. My other target is Kling, but imo she can't be scum if he's scum because she's been pointing out his ridiculousness all game.

ISO'd Zabing slot aka Riabi and I think that Riabi would also be a decent lynch. Mostly for tunneling Senator but also because he used to be Zabing. He often sits on the sidelines and dodges around questions and doesn't really answer/give an opinion.

So yeah, in order of who I want to lynch at this point: RIP, very closely followed by Kling, and then Riabi.

Vote: KlingonCelt

Jumping to the top of my scum list, you've been on both town lynches and at the moment I'm townreading Sinsun.

RIP has slid a little bit down my scum list (switching places with Kling basically) because he's starting to remind me of a player back "home."

Channel has climbed up my scum list a little bit.

It seems to me that Channel has lost interest in trying to defend himself. Personally I believe this, coupled with the possibility he's not lying about being VT, makes him town-aligned.

Those are all my posts containing reads from Day 4, minus the beginning post because (as I said in said post) that was a bad post written at like 1am. I'll get to work shortly on that list for you.

[LittleGumball]

I will decide the lynch today

LMAO

Senator(9) - Riabi, KlingonCelt, Titus, Sinsun1, Salamence20, Nero Cain, ChannelDelibird, Narninian, Senator

[Lynch!]

Based on this alone, without having read reasoning for voting, I'd probably put my scum placements on either Kling or Titus, and Nero and, if I HAD to put a 3rd and knowing that Salamence is town, either Sinsun or Channel or Narn.

I'd put Suzune as town because I townread Jamierus. I'm liking Dave.

I read salamander and he literally has 7-8 posts with no info. What a waste

Here is where I read sala and saw that she has 7 post total.


Here's is gumball saying that sala was he's number 1 town.

Can he explain why? He's caught. I just know he's scum and I won't claim why. Is easier for me to find he's weakness cuz I know his role.

So we kill him and I get NK or we kill me and we lose.

Pedis: u are wasting ur time if it's not clear why I'm onto u. Be smart cuz u are being pathetic if u haven't caught on yet.

Are you even reading what you're saying?

"I just know

he's scum and I won't claim why."

just....... I don't even have any words...

"Is easier for me to find [her] weakness cuz I know [her] role."

Please prove how? Because even if you had your tracking ability you wouldn't be able to track me because I literally cannot move at night. (I think that's what the tracker does, I always confuse tracker and watcher)

You're just making a claim that I'm scum and you're literally unwilling to say why. I don't know why you're "onto me," I'm assuming it's because you're scum and you're desperately trying to lynch a townie instead of yourself.

Also I'm assuming that's a no, you won't give me a list of reads, which is unfortunate because if you're town it would be really nice to know who you suspect and who you don't in order to give the town something to go off of tomorrow.

[LittleGumball]

Perhaps I am just demanding, but why do you two made a traditional reads. One where the most townie people are on top and the most scummy people are on the bottom?

p-edit, the tracker sees if someone makes a move. The watcher sees if someone visits.

I suggested that and I'm working on it right now, I'm also trying to respond to what's going on at the same time so it's coming a bit slow.

[LittleGumball]

cool your jets there turbo. It takes time to type out a response. If you haven't been reading (oh wait I know you haven't ) then I'll point out to you my response to Suzune at the top of the page.

[LittleGumball]

Why did gumball studied salamence posts?

I think it was fresh in his mind and it's because he was in scum chat discussing kills and something sala said made them think she was important.

That has to be it.

That's all her posts. I mean seriously?

U are struggling now.

Explain how u decided to read into senator (dead) and a person with 10 posts and that person turned out to be ur main town.
Also dead...

Tell me why her and not someone else?
Why didn't u ISO me?

Also I defended senator and sala didn't.
Then you pushed Klingon for her push on senator....
Doesn't add up.

Why is sala not bad for pushing senator but others are?
Why I'm not clear for defending him?

I'll explain it again.

I read up to around page 75 and the general end-ish of Day 3. What stuck out to me was what I had read. What I had read was bits and pieces and so I gathered bits and pieces and posted from there because I was just joining after a vacation and I wanted to hurry up and post some content. I felt bad for leaving so I wanted to make up for it by immediately posting some opinions. That post was also clumsily written at 1am when I was tired. I don't feel like finding the post where (I believe it was?) Riabi questioned me about my Sala read and I finally did an ISO of Sala and said "Yes hmm I don't know why I thought that, it must have been her very first post that gave me town vibes."

I gave a Senator read because he read to me like Lick did. Both Lick and Senator were cluttering up the game with constant posting, they were "easy" lynches because people just wanted them out of the game to make them stop posting.

I explained all of that (minus the reasoning for the Senator read) in earlier posts.

I never said either of them were my "main town," so I don't know where you're getting that.

I had ISO'd you at one point and that was part of the reason I found you suspicious. Your play at the beginning was laughable. You had "forgotten" your role, you had posted "Sup" TWICE. Your posts were full of "I don't know what's going on" stuff. Not to mention you were posting in a similar fashion to Lick and Senator. What makes you different is your claim is harder to believe than Lick's (it's hard for me to judge Sen's because I wasn't around (I don't know why people think I'm using that as a crutch because it's a real true fact? I was legitimately gone.)) and your insistence on your town claim making you town and nothing else. Again, you're using WIFOM as proof when it's not. Your posting is chaotic and when people tried to lynch you, you just insulted them and pointed fingers at them instead of defending yourself. You keep claiming you "know" things and then never elaborate or try and prove them.

I voted for Kling because I found her scummy and I wanted to lynch her. 2684 I explicitly stated WHY I found her suspicious. Don't make up my reasons for me. Actually read my posts and take my reasoning from there instead of making up your own to suit your needs.

You're not clear for defending Senator because that's literally one thing you did out of hundreds. It doesn't clear you anyway because scum will try and win town points by defending someone who they know will turn up town. (Don't misquote me here because I know you'll try; I know that scum will try to lynch townies too. Scum can and will both lynch town and defend them.) I don't trust you because of your actions, I have described most of them above.

also, Pedited galore woooo

Meanwhile you continue to not read my posts and try and "out" me for a statement that I already explained. Please stop doing that.
thank

[LittleGumball]

Alright, I think that's everyone.

(I'm not including myself in this list)
List from town to non-town, also separated by sections. People at the bottom of the scum list are the scummiest. People with ?s at the end are leaning.

Town

Suzune
Sinsun
Dave

Unsure

Thor?
Titus?
?Nero? (i really do keep flipping my opinions on him)
who tf is displaced i need to research
who tf is arcangel i need to research
Narn?
Channel?

Scum

Pere?
Riabi?
Kling
RIP



RIP, I'd like yours please. Whenever you get the chance.

[LittleGumball]

I didn't lie about my claim.

Te lie was to over blow te claim by saying if I'm alive tomorrow game is over cuz I would have solved the game.

This was to put pressure to scum to kill me and at the same time make them believe I might be BS.
Therefore they will spend energy trying to figure this out and I might survive cuz wifom and fancy play and gambit.

I wasn't counting with them voting me and making me a wagon when it was clear I was not to be touch and my wagon had died.

It backfired but there was no scum motivation. Why would I say game is over if I'm alive if I'm scum??????
Wouldn't I wanna keep under wraps?
Thinking I'm scum is not towny, cuz they are not thinking straight.

Thank you for FINALLY coming up with an explanation for your statement. Originally my vote was to pressure you into an explanation for said lie but at this point I really do want to lynch you.
sozzles friend

[LittleGumball]

Thank you for FINALLY coming up with an explanation for your statement. Originally my vote was to pressure you into an explanation for said lie but at this point I really do want to lynch you.
sozzles friend

So you're saying you like his explanation but want to lynch him anyway?
What are you doing?

I never said I liked it. I still think it's an awful move.

[LittleGumball]

What made it worth pushing him as scum where, prior to that, you were simply pressuring him?

I've thought RIP was scummy for a while now:

Spoiler: a couple examples

ISO'd Zabing slot aka Riabi and I think that Riabi would also be a decent lynch. Mostly for tunneling Senator but also because he used to be Zabing. He often sits on the sidelines and dodges around questions and doesn't really answer/give an opinion.

So yeah, in order of who I want to lynch at this point: RIP, very closely followed by Kling, and then Riabi.

Vote: KlingonCelt

Jumping to the top of my scum list, you've been on both town lynches and at the moment I'm townreading Sinsun.

RIP has slid a little bit down my scum list (switching places with Kling basically) because he's starting to remind me of a player back "home."

Channel has climbed up my scum list a little bit.

For me, this whole situation is even more incentive to lynch him.

[LittleGumball]

Thank you for FINALLY coming up with an explanation for your statement. Originally my vote was to pressure you into an explanation for said lie but at this point I really do want to lynch you.
sozzles friend

So you're saying you like his explanation but want to lynch him anyway?
What are you doing?

I never said I liked it. I still think it's an awful move.

But do you believe it? You got the answer you wanted what verdict do you draw?

Is my statement "I want to lynch you" not enough for you?

I want to lynch him because I believe he is scum. I thought he was scum before and I think he is scum now. All that happened was he moved up my priority list when he didn't explain what he meant by "I lied" (presumably until his scumbuds could tell him how to attempt to fix the situation. That's part of the reason why I think his explanation is BS, if he had come up with a reason in a timely manner then it wouldn't look like he had to get help in a scumchat). You can't say "I lied" and then not expand on that and then get mad and insult/accuse everyone who votes for you and expect people to go "oh wait he claimed, that must make him town =^)" and unvote.

[LittleGumball]

Yeah not touching the CDB wagon. It's a mislynch being offered to avoid Thor/Nero

Please explain because there is no wagon on either of them... Unless I'm misunderstanding you and that's not what you meant.

[LittleGumball]

a gif

^ this

[LittleGumball]

It was a replace out, not a stint in federal prison.

Mod could compensate anti-town for RIP's slip-up.

Or would he notify the players if he did that?

[LittleGumball]

k thank mod

thoughts incoming

[LittleGumball]

Prima facie it seems a little suspicious that you'd be concerned about that though, gumbie.

How so? I'm new to the site so I'm asking questions so that I know how people do things here. I've seen people mention mod compensation in other areas and so that came to mind.

[LittleGumball]

This is the point in the game when I'm likely to anchor onto the reads of anyone who sounds reasonable and aware of the gamestate. I'd really like it if you guys could tell me where you'd like my vote to be, especially if you no longer doubt my slot's alliance.

Personally I'm up to lynch Kling or Riabi, more so Kling.

[LittleGumball]

Since we are all talking about it, I would not mind lynching littlegumball either...

How come?

[LittleGumball]

Gumbie, without knowing much about the context behind your post, it seemed more likely to emerge out of a mindset seeking advantages for the scum faction.
But you don't have to worry about me taking it very seriously as signalling anything about your alliance.

ah i see now
thanks for explainin

[LittleGumball]

Since we are all talking about it, I would not mind lynching littlegumball either...

How come?

I'm a little disappointed about how my earlier gambit played out. I do not have my case for you finalized. Give me some time and I will post it up~

fair. I can wait.

[LittleGumball]

@Suzune

My defense: I'm a lazy mofo c:

I do admit that my playstyle isn't very good. I have thoughts and then summarize my own thoughts because I don't feel like typing them out so I think that I've said something when I haven't and stuff like that. Day 1s where I come from are usually at LEAST 80% useless spam (not even an exaggeration) so I'm used to just disregarding Day 1. Day 2s are normally the same with one or two people flailing around and then the rest of the players going "I DON'T HAVE ANY INFORMATION XDDDD" so that's also a thing. The other thing I'm used to is maybe 20 pages of posts in a day, not 50+. I know it's a terrible excuse (wah wah im new) but my playing habits are not good ones. It's just much easier to read back in a game when there's not very many posts. If it will make you feel better I'll read over the rest of Day 3.

That post you linked, that's not me trying to look for holes in a gambit, that's me defending myself from someone who's saying I'm scummy and also me telling him why I thought he was scum. All I was talking about was his role claim, not the gambit.

You've focused on things I've done that make you suspicious, is there anything I've done that ease those suspicions at all?

[LittleGumball]

Vote: Riabi

Let's lynch some scum today.

[LittleGumball]

Vote: Riabi

Let's lynch some scum today.

And your reasoning behind your naked vote is?????

Really? You can't look back at all my posts and deduce that since I've been saying I think you're suspicious for a while now that I might vote for you?

You and Kling are highest on my scum list and I'm voting for you because you're here. You can iso my recent posts (minus the RIP thing yesterday bc they're not about you c: ) if you want but I'll be cooking up a better post if you want, it'll just be a bit of time.

[LittleGumball]

post on riabi incoming, something came up unexpectedly

sozzles friends

I'll finish when I return home tonight c:

[LittleGumball]

sozzles friends my rl is being a dumb and it's making me unmotivated so my post on riabi isn't finished even though i said it would be and i don't want to finish it bc of rl and also i feel like it won't be as good because my fire is gone

whine whine cry i feel bad

Anyway that Psyche vote from Titus is suspicious af but I'm still voting Riabi just because I still think he's scum.

I want Kling to talk more today because I want to see all her scum opinions
(i'm not voting her bc I think she is/was recently VLA iirc plus she just went to bed i think so yeah i'm giving her some time)


@Dave, I'm not sure how that post is strong town?

[LittleGumball]

Also @Dave (and still reading day 3 WOW I'M SUCH A GUD N FAST REEDR), post 2179. Since you think RIP/Psyche is town, where's your scum placements from people who were on his lynch? (any lynch is fine by me c: )

[LittleGumball]

Also @Dave, post 2179. Since you think RIP/Psyche is town, where's your scum placements from people who were on his lynch?

Hi Dave

[LittleGumball]

Also I really can't be bothered to finish my post, sorry guys. I'll post what I have done though.

Spoiler: Final two vote counts of Day 1

Vote Count 1.11 - Up to post 1088

LicketyQuickety[8] - Narninian, ChannelDelibird, Sinsun1, MaxwellPuckett HostileIntent,Saint, Titus, KlingonCelt

[L-4]

zabing12[5] - Little Gumball, Jamierus, Nero Cain, RIP, PeaceBringer
rip[2] - davesaz, zabing12
HostileIntent[1] - LicketyQuickity
millar13[1] - Marcrell
Nero Cain[1] - PerigrineV
Not Voting(3): Millar13, The Archmage Ludicrous, Senator

Mod Note: ChannelDelibird is VLA. Titus has replaced Jeanne11. Zabing12 is no longer requesting replacement. Marcrell has requested replacement.

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch
Day ends Wednesday, June 3rd, at 2:30 AM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

Vote Count 1.12 - Up to post 1233

LicketyQuickety[12] - Narninian, ChannelDelibird, Sinsun1, HostileIntent,Saint, Titus, KlingonCelt, Zabing12, PeaceBringer, davesaz, LicketyQuickety, Senator

[Lynch!]

zabing12[4] - Little Gumball, Jamierus, Nero Cain, RIP,
millar13[1] - Marcrell
Nero Cain[1] - PerigrineV
Not Voting(3): Millar13, The Archmage Ludicrous, MaxwellPuckett

Mod Note: There will be 6 hours of twilight before the lynch flip.

With 21 alive, it takes 12 to lynch
Day ends Wednesday, June 3rd, at 2:30 AM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

I think these are interesting to note. At the end of the day two people voting for Zabing/Riabi are (imo) town, namely Jamie/Suzune and RIP/Psyche (I'm changing my mind on RIP slot solely because of Suz's confirm). Before that Peacebringer/Sala was also voting. Add myself to that (I know it's probably not worth much to anyone but I know my alignment ) and that's 4 townies voting for Zabing/Riabi. idk something to think about maybe, I know town can be wrong buuut I don't think so.

Spoiler: Final vote counts of Day 3

Vote Count 3.13 - Up to post 2437

Senator(5) - Riabi, KlingonCelt, Titus, Sinsun1, Salamence20

[L-4]

Narninian(5) - Suzune, Senator, ChannelDelibird, RIP, davesez

[L-4]

ChannelDelibird(3) - displaced, PerigrineV, Thor665
RIP(1) - Nero Cain

Not Voting(2) - ArcAngel9, The Fox

Mod Notes: The Fox has requested replacement. Day ends in 6 hours approximately(or if there is a lynch).

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Day ends Sunday, June 21st(extended), 8:45 PM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

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Vote Count 3.14 - Up to post 2506

Senator(8) - Riabi, KlingonCelt, Titus, Sinsun1, Salamence20, Nero Cain, ChannelDelibird, Narninian

[L-1]

Narninian(4) - Suzune, Senator, RIP, davesez
ChannelDelibird(3) - displaced, PerigrineV, Thor665


Not Voting(2) - ArcAngel9, The Fox

Mod Notes: The Fox has requested replacement. Day ends in 6 hours approximately(or if there is a lynch).

With 17 alive, it takes 9 to lynch

Day ends Sunday, June 21st(extended), 8:45 PM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

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That's a lynch!

Senator(9) - Riabi, KlingonCelt, Titus, Sinsun1, Salamence20, Nero Cain, ChannelDelibird, Narninian, Senator

[Lynch!]

There will be 6 hours of twilight.

Riabi on Senator lynch the whole time. Also I think it's interesting to note all the town voting for Narn, that's something I hadn't thought about before.

Spoiler: Final vote counts of Day 4

Vote Count 4.08- Up to post 2995

ChannelDelibird[7]: Thor665, displaced, Narninian, PeregrineV, RIP, KlingonCelt, Sinsun1

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RIP[5]: Riabi, davesaz, Titus, LittleGumball, NeroCain
NeroCain(1): Suzane
Not Voting(2): Channel Delibird, ArcAngel9

Mod Notes: Seeking replacement for ArcAngel9.

With 15 alive, it takes 8 to lynch

Day ends Wednseday, July 8th, 11 PM USA Mountain Time or when a lynch occurs

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ChannelDelibird[8]: Thor665, displaced, Narninian, PeregrineV, RIP, KlingonCelt, Sinsun1, davesaz

[Lynch!]

Riabi voting for who I now believe to be town.



Voting patterns aside, I'm going to go over some other reasons why I think Riabi is scum. First and foremost is just that he's Zabing, I won't go into why I think Zabing is scummy AGAIN.
2149 starts sen lynch bc sen is all up in his bis

[LittleGumball]

Seriously? Does that Deep Space Nine claim look anything like a serious claim to you? Do you honestly think that's a real role? Do you honestly think the first post on Day 1 is a serious post?

And I still don't understand how you lynched Channel for "information." It was Day 4 you should have had plenty of information already. That's bull.

[LittleGumball]

Really, your best case against me is that I'm scum because I'm tunelling (or have tunneled) town? I know I've mentioned that before, but, the fact that I tunnel players is a weak point to my game. It's a bad habit I have. Sometimes, my tunnels are wrong, but, my doing so is NOT alignment indicative. For reference, see this game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=61563

Did I not say I wasn't finished with that post? That's obviously not the only thing you've done to make me suspect you.

[LittleGumball]

Seriously? Does that Deep Space Nine claim look anything like a serious claim to you? Do you honestly think that's a real role? Do you honestly think the first post on Day 1 is a serious post?

And I still don't understand how you lynched Channel for "information." It was Day 4 you should have had plenty of information already. That's bull.

Only by lynching Channel would we know whether or not he was Scum that Maxwell hid behind. There were plenty of posts to that effect, did you offer any counterpoint?

Or you could have just left him to a policy lynch when there wasn't any better choices. I think there were plenty of better choices.

A lot of us thought Gene Roddenberry was a fake claim...

..........So?

There are an infinite number of differences between Lick's claim and Narn's claim. How is bringing up Roddenberry even relevant to this conversation?

[LittleGumball]

Spoiler: a bunch of quotes yay

1

ISO'd Zabing slot aka Riabi and I think that Riabi would also be a decent lynch. Mostly for tunneling Senator ...

Yeah, sorry about that... This is probably my biggest weakness in this game (mafia in general, not just this specific game). Tunneling is what I do, from me, it's alignment neutral. For an example off the top of my head, see this game... http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=61563

2

conf town ...

There you are using that phrase again... Let me make this clear... YOU ARE NOT CONF TOWN.

Someone hang this guy, please.

3

The three days till deadline does suggest you need to work it in hyperdrive if you wish to work it though.

I just got into this game, and I've hardly played with anyone here. I don't think I have the charisma to pull off something like that right now. That said, I still believe my vote is in the best place right now, since I don't really like either of the wagons. I'll keep watching/reading, and if someone can convince me that lynching one of the two wagon targets is the best play, I will re-consider.

4

VOTE: Klingoncelt

Better than a Senator vote.

At work at the moment but will be back on in a few hours to talk more about things

Forgive me, as coming into this game with so much history has been difficult, but, will you walk me through a TL;DR version of this case when you get home?

5

... That said - could you answer the question again based on CDB as who I'm asking about?

Sorry, I got confused... yeah, as for why CDB's wagon fell apart. I dunno there. I never liked the wagon, so I have no personal knowledge as to why it fell apart. I wonder why some people were pushing the wagon so hard when the case was, IMO, so lousy against him.

6

RIP, Thor help us flip Sen and prove he's scum. The guy is clearly making Smurf up and now he's trying to take over the conversation by posting over and over and over. He's at best anti-town, and at worst obvscum.

Is he making up stuff worse than Titus - a player you're apparently fine with and are voting in agreement with at the moment?
What's he making up?

I don't care for the 'at best anti-town' jargon. That easily applies to a large swathe of this game. I could apply it to my wagon of choice also. So what? Doesn't make them scum.

2134 2137 2149 largely outline my case against him.

Also, I never said I was OK with KC. In fact, I said I'd think more about her, and asked for a TL;DR version of the case against her, and was never give that. So, right now, I don't know how I feel about KC, but to categorize it as "apparently fine" is inaccurate.

7

Did you read the wagon breakup?
Having an issue with why the wagon existed should not affect your ability to assess how it broke up nor how you feel about the reasoning stated - at least I don't think it should.

I scanned it previously, as it had pretty much broken up by the time I subbed in. I'll go through and read it fully now...

Going through and re-reading it, I still can't tell you much about why it broke up, no one seems to spend a lot of time talking about it. It's almost as if the goal was never to lynch him, but only to get a claim out of him, and once that happened, no one cared anymore. It's weird.

I agree the breakup was messed up, and have my own theories.

On the presumption that you are town reading CDB - shouldn't your working theory be that the scum were trying to just force a claim and then went and pushed for another claim target (RIP - another wagon you fail to support) So why aren't you considering that in Senator (who actively opposed the RIP counter push)? And why aren't you pushing on some of the people present on both wagons?

Are you town? I had that vibe earlier - I'm losing it now.
Save my opinion of you?

don't feel like organizing. i'll be talking about these in order (I think c: ).

1 cut out the rest of my accusation and didn't even respond to it
2 final post before the end of the day. it's post number 2813 and twilight was announced 3 days later in post number 3015. Where was he during that entire discussion between RIP and everyone else?
3 this post is a little bit weird. not necessarily alignment-indicative but it's just kind of weird imo.
and then there's a bunch of arguments between him and sen where he goes completely off his "scumread" of Sinsun and votes for Sen literally the entire rest of the day because they were arguing. Incidentally, it looks suspiciously a lot like an OMGUS, which is part of the reason why he voted for Sinsun.
4 asks for a recap of Kling case. Doesn't bother to read back, doesn't bother to ISO her. If I'm forced to read over 50 pages of an entire day you should too.
Also, he says a few posts later (post 2228) that he's willing to push her... but he didn't even get a response on why people thought she was scummy. Why was he willing to push someone that he has no idea where the case is coming from? (unless he's wanting to distance himself from his scumbud )
5 literally doesn't even answer the question AND takes the time to criticize the people who were on the wagon. the next post doesn't really answer much either. ((UGH so I totally thought I quoted the post above this but I was wrong, sozzles friends. Just pretend I quoted his previous post, this quote is still relevant though c: ))
6 talks about Kling instead of Titus, I don't know what that means but I just feel like mentioning his thoughts on her. Again, willing to push her, but he has no opinion on her.
7 is a GREAT post from Thor which... Riabi never responded to...

[LittleGumball]

1 cut out the rest of my accusation and didn't even respond to it

Sorry, I actually meant to... My response is that I've given lots of opinions, I think the problem is that I'm not as active as you'd like me to be, but, I'm just not capable of being more active in this thread right now. Sorry. Hardly a scum tell.

Er... no. My problem is not your lack of activity. My problem was your lack of real opinions. You had like one about Channel and that was about it. I know that's changed some now but you didn't address that at the time. And for someone who doesn't want Thor to put words in his mouth, that was a smooth way to put words in my mouth.

2 final post before the end of the day. it's post number 2813 and twilight was announced 3 days later in post number 3015. Where was he during that entire discussion between RIP and everyone else?

Once again, I'm not as active as you'd like me to be... Not much I can do about that.

The thing here isn't that you're inactive. You weren't online for 3 days during a crucial point in time, you put a vote on RIP and then left. What is that?

3 this post is a little bit weird. not necessarily alignment-indicative but it's just kind of weird imo.

If it's not alignment-indicative then why bother to mention it in a post where you are trying to convince others of a player's alignment?

Because it's weird. "I don't have enough charisma to convince people about my case because i'm new" is a weird thing to say.

and then there's a bunch of arguments between him and sen where he goes completely off his "scumread" of Sinsun and votes for Sen literally the entire rest of the day because they were arguing. Incidentally, it looks suspiciously a lot like an OMGUS, which is part of the reason why he voted for Sinsun.

I'm pretty sure I voted him because of his lies and making things up. Less of an OMG U Suck and more of a OMG UR Scummy.

Really it's not an OMGUS? Because the second he started saying negative things about you you voted for him.

4 asks for a recap of Kling case. Doesn't bother to read back, doesn't bother to ISO her. If I'm forced to read over 50 pages of an entire day you should too.
Also, he says a few posts later (post 2228) that he's willing to push her... but he didn't even get a response on why people thought she was scummy. Why was he willing to push someone that he has no idea where the case is coming from? (unless he's wanting to distance himself from his scumbud )

Once again, I'm sorry I'm not as active as you'd like, but please don't misrep me based on my low activity level. No where did I say I didn't read back, no where did I say I didn't ISO her. I did, I just didn't see anything directly scummy. If someone wants to convince me that another player is scum, the onus is on them to make their case. It's not on my to go digging through 100+ pages HOPING I find what they meant. This is especially true considering the fact that I have a limited amount of time to play mafia, and looking for a needle in a haystack doesn't seem like a good use of that time.
Also, I never said I was willing to push Kling, I said I might be. Meaning, I wasn't necessarily town reading her, so it was possible to convince me. But, since, as you pointed out, no one responded to that question, I wasn't convinced.

Where did activity come in? Stop bringing that up. I said absolutely nothing about activity here, so I really don't understand why you're so bent on trying to give me that excuse. Seriously have no idea why you brought that up. As for the "needle in a haystack," obviously everyone has a limited time to play mafia, no one is online at all hours of the day Doesn't excuse the fact that you're talking about pushing someone that you don't even know the case on them.

5 literally doesn't even answer the question AND takes the time to criticize the people who were on the wagon. the next post doesn't really answer much either. ((UGH so I totally thought I quoted the post above this but I was wrong, sozzles friends. Just pretend I quoted his previous post, this quote is still relevant though c: ))

Yeah, I don't know why the wagon broke up. How is that not an answer? I still don't know. I read through it twice, I can't say why it happened, I was confused by its existance in the first place, so maybe it broke up because people came to their senses? I have no flipping clue.

This is about your excuse as to why you don't know. "I never liked the wagon, so I have no personal knowledge as to why it fell apart." So because you don't like it, you don't know what to think about it? You don't have any opinions on who got off in a scummy way? No one that looks like they're acting with their mafia buds to get someone else lynched? Nothing?

6 talks about Kling instead of Titus, I don't know what that means but I just feel like mentioning his thoughts on her. Again, willing to push her, but he has no opinion on her.

I'm pretty sure I explained this elsewhere, but I've never played a game of this size, and that plus the fact that I came in with so much history already in place means that I got a few people mixed up in my head. I've worked to correct this, and by and large, I'm better at it now (having fewer people in the game helps too).

Okay but you didn't even address my issue with you. My issue wasn't the Kling/Titus mixup, my issue is still you willing to push Kling when you didn't know anything about her, and now you still don't know anything about her. Are you sure you ISO'd her? Because if you have you should have an opinion by now.

7 is a GREAT post from Thor which... Riabi never responded to...

What was there to respond to? Who is he to tell me what my theories are or should be? I thought that the questions in that post weren't really worth answering.

This is just... no. Like I said before, if you have a problem with Thor telling you what you should think, don't tell me what I should think because I don't care about your "i'm inactive XDDDD" crap. My problem is not your inactivity. I'm addressing that in a post. You should have made a post addressing that to Thor. In the very least you should have at least acknowledged that the post existed. But nope, you disappeared for 100 posts and pushed for your Senator lynch. That's all you did. Boy I sure hope that alleviated Thor's feelings about you!
This last quote here makes me even more comfortable with my vote. There's absolutely no reason to avoid responding to someone that says "Convince me you're town."

[LittleGumball]

Seriously? Does that Deep Space Nine claim look anything like a serious claim to you? Do you honestly think that's a real role? Do you honestly think the first post on Day 1 is a serious post?.

I'm inclined to read Kling as town for that post because I feel like if he had taken it seriously he would have discussed it with his scumbuds at least once and been cleared up about it and felt silly. But maybe he's acting? Or never discussed it with his buds?

I'm going for acting and/or purposely trying to find things scummy that aren't.

[LittleGumball]

alright

unvote

I am satisfied. You'd be surprised how many times a vote like that will cause scum to freakout and start OMGUSing, and how often thats an accurate tell now matter how obvious it is.

Who do you find scum and who do you find town?

@Psyche, I'd rather lynch Riabi or Kling, but I guess I'd be okay with policy lynching Ika. I'd go on the Pere lynch if it was him or nothing.

[LittleGumball]

Where is Displaced is he still in the game?

[LittleGumball]

This doesn't make any sense you say "The problem isn't that you're inactive, the problem is that you weren't here..." What the hell is the difference? I wasn't here, no, I wasn't on the site, I was busy with RL.

No my problem is that you were conveniently away during a crucial moment where you voted and then up and left to let everyone else hash it out. I do find that suspicious. Now you FINALLY have given me a reason why you were gone, so thanks I guess.

General inactivity wasn't the concern, the timing of being gone for multiple days during an important conversation was the concern.

I wanted someone to outline the case for me because I couldn't find why she's scummy, and thought it possible that I'd missed something. Is that really so hard to understand? Have you never asked someone to recap a case for you? I never said I was willing to push her, I said I was willing to consider it, provided someone had a case. But, as no one has yet presented one to me, nothing has changed.

So you're saying... you STILL don't have an opinion on Kling? After all this time?

Why must I have an opinion of every thing that happens in a game? Why should I be expected to explain the disappearance of something I didn't understand the existence of in the first place? I really don't understand your questions here.

I... really don't have anything to say to this. Just... I'm dumbfounded.

Once again I never said I was willing to push her, only that I was willing to consider it. I've ISO'd her, I find her null right now. If you want me to see her as scummy, tell me why you think she's scummy. Why is that hard?

technically you didn't say you'd consider it... direct quote is "might be willing to push her tomorrow" which at this point debating over the meaning of that is just kind of pointless.

Anyway while I bring up some things for you since you can't see the obvious scum , you can look at Suzune's vote if you like. What do you think about it?

Except that I see no reason to bother with a statement like that. I mean, what do you expect from someone at that point? Jump up and down and scream "HEY THOR!!!! I"M TOWN!!! SEEE????"? How exactly does someone convince someone else of their town alignment in your mind? No, there's no reason to respond to that statement, and this is, IMO especially true if the accused is, in fact, town.

He asked you multiple questions and you didn't even acknowledge their existence. How are you supposed to play a game if you don't even respond when someone talks to you? Did you think you were "above" answering his questions or something? If you had a problem with what he was saying you should have brought it up instead of completely ignoring it.

Convincing someone you're town isn't saying "i'm town XDDDD" that much should be obvious. Convincing someone you're town is acting in a town way, such as not avoiding questions.

[LittleGumball]

While I can (and probably will) get behind an Ika lynch, I want to mention that I think it's a huge distraction from actually looking at scum today.

I feel like Ika's whole slot is more of a policy lynch than anything. Do I agree that the slot is very likely scum that's been allowed to hide in the shadows the entire game? Yes. But it looks to me like it's just a big "WHOOOO SUBJECT CHANGE" right now.



i changed my mind mid-post and my vote is changing anyway bc if i think the slot is scum why wouldn't i vote for it what an idiot
don't mind me friends

Vote: Ika

im still going to talk about riabi and kling tho c:

[LittleGumball]

Since I am unfamiliar with the Mafiascum.net role of town Rumpelstilskin or scum Rumpelstilskin, and how exactly it may interact with other roles, it's only flavor to me and carries no meaning.

Rumplestiltskin is a name, not a role. Does that change anything?

[LittleGumball]

Since I am unfamiliar with the Mafiascum.net role of town Rumpelstilskin or scum Rumpelstilskin, and how exactly it may interact with other roles, it's only flavor to me and carries no meaning.

Rumplestiltskin is a name, not a role. Does that change anything?

Reading Thor, Nero and Psyche, the name IS a role, insomuch that the claim makes it unquestionable.

If it's only a name, why are they acting otherwise?

If someone is proven to be Captain Kirk, one would assume they're town. Now, I don't know the show, but I'm assuming that the people who have seen it don't have a qualm about this character because nobody's brought it up. I thought this was settled on Day 1.

[LittleGumball]

If someone is proven to be Captain Kirk, one would assume they're town. Now, I don't know the show, but I'm assuming that the people who have seen it don't have a qualm about this character because nobody's brought it up. I thought this was settled on Day 1.

IIRC, the settling came in post 85, when Ludicrous stopped with the poetry.

Can you link me to any alignment based discussion on the role flavor name?

Psyche mentioned alignment earlier in the day and Narn just now commented on it.

[LittleGumball]

We're currently wagoning Ika for replacing in and then having nothing to say since, along with his slot being pretty lurktastic the whole game.

Thor claims "named townie" based on his slot's first owner posting in rhyme day 1 and claiming flavor of Rumplestiltskin. There has been a pretty good discussion on whether the flavor claim is useful for alignment or not.

PeregrineV has been getting a lot of attention after seeming to be commenting on stuff without actually reading it.

Sinsun unvoted to take Ika off L-1 and claimed to be able to do something awesome by hammering.

are we just going to forget about Kling, Riabi, and Nero? And the basically-confirmed Suzune and Psyche? Or...?

[LittleGumball]

Why, what is so important about having Sinsun hammer?

It seems to me like you haven't read a single post before you came in. The current day begins somewhere on page 121, can you at least read that much?

[LittleGumball]

it seems like there is only 1 evil killer and a lightning rod could have easily attracted both a doctor and the kill so they dont even need to be NK immune to have survived.
I think Suzunne is town but I still question her reads. We have to tread carefully today, another lynched townie and we'll probably lose.

I'm not willing to lynch Psyche, Suzunne, Littlegumball or Narninian.
I'd frown upon lynching Thor;

Any else is fair game; I'm reading through again, but its really difficult with no confirmed mafia to make conclusions from. If anybody found a guilty result - now is the time to reveal methinks.

[LittleGumball]

With that Narn post right there, I'd say a couple of the people he investigated died, the other three were me, Psyche, and Suzune. He clearly trusted Thor enough not to investigate the slot. He didn't appear to have any guilty results.

I accidentally closed the tab with Narn's posts so bear with me while I look again at who he was actually suspicious of. There's a reason he died and it could be because he was on the right track.

[LittleGumball]

VOTE: Riabi

There are 5 people I don't want to lynch because I believe them to be town.
Riabi's top suspects (psyche, and questioning Suzanne) are both on that list.

This was the best I could find within the most recent two days. He also voted Kling and then unvoted her shortly after. (I'm assuming these 5 people are still psyche, suzune, me, him, and thor)

I might be a little biased because of my previous suspicion but I sure do think this vote is a coincidence I can go off of.

Vote: Riabi

[LittleGumball]

VOTE: Riabi

There are 5 people I don't want to lynch because I believe them to be town.
Riabi's top suspects (psyche, and questioning Suzanne) are both on that list.

This was the best I could find within the most recent two days. He also voted Kling and then unvoted her shortly after. (I'm assuming these 5 people are still psyche, suzune, me, him, and thor)

I might be a little biased because of my previous suspicion but I sure do think this vote is a coincidence I can go off of.

Vote: Riabi

So... you're sheeping the dead guy because he's dead? Is that a good summation of your case? If that's not it, please explain because I don't understand it.

No I'm sheeping the dead guy because he agreed with me and thought you were scum. I think that you are scum. I want to lynch you. That is why I am voting for you. Do you not remember our conversation from yesterday?

It would be nice for literally anyone else to agree or disagree with my vote here.

[LittleGumball]

I like LG's frustration on feeling ignored. Is it possible that Barn checked Riabli?

I already posted my thoughts on Narn's investigations, and since (at least as far as I checked) he never had any real suspicions I don't think he had any guilty results.

I would have to ISO him again. I take it your case is he was suspected by Narnian?

That's only a small piece of a bigger picture. I made a case, I'll find it and link it here: 3231 3241

[LittleGumball]

Thoughts on massclaim: It might help solve the game but it wouldn't be any fun. As my own personal rule of thumb I think that roleclaiming to prove your innocence is a big cop-out anyway and I've got a big vendetta over it.
So yeah, I'm not really into massclaims (or claiming in general although I know it's impossible to keep that from happening c: )

[LittleGumball]

tracker doesn't track
neighborizer doesn't target anyone

wtf is this game

[LittleGumball]

YES

[LittleGumball]

I'm the only confirmed town FMPOV. You should do the same.

So this is not an investigation crumb to you?

it seems like there is only 1 evil killer and a lightning rod could have easily attracted both a doctor and the kill so they dont even need to be NK immune to have survived.
I think Suzunne is town but I still question her reads. We have to tread carefully today, another lynched townie and we'll probably lose.

I'm not willing to lynch Psyche, Suzunne, Littlegumball or Narninian.
I'd frown upon lynching Thor;

Any else is fair game; I'm reading through again, but its really difficult with no confirmed mafia to make conclusions from. If anybody found a guilty result - now is the time to reveal methinks.

[LittleGumball]

I'm the only confirmed town FMPOV. You should do the same.

So this is not an investigation crumb to you?

it seems like there is only 1 evil killer and a lightning rod could have easily attracted both a doctor and the kill so they dont even need to be NK immune to have survived.
I think Suzunne is town but I still question her reads. We have to tread carefully today, another lynched townie and we'll probably lose.

I'm not willing to lynch Psyche, Suzunne, Littlegumball or Narninian.
I'd frown upon lynching Thor;

Any else is fair game; I'm reading through again, but its really difficult with no confirmed mafia to make conclusions from. If anybody found a guilty result - now is the time to reveal methinks.

No. It's not a crumb that he intended to investigate her. I don't trust the lightning rod claim. Is it probable paranoia? Yes. I don't trust their abilities though. I don't want to lynch Suzune today, but I don't want to trust them.

Given a setup with this much power, I'm not so certain that mafia don't have a tailor or the like as well. Somehow, if Suzune's claim is even remotely true (meaning lightning rod of either alignment), scum must have a way of playing follow the cop.

Second, if we knew the possibility of a beloved princess dying, why wouldn't Suzune redirect all actions to herself N1 and state "Gee, if we lynch the Princess, things might get wonky but in a good way."

I'm not saying it's a crumb he intended to investigate her, I'm saying it's a crumb that he already did. From this post he already investigated Suzune and apparently me and maybe even Psyche slot. If he accidentally investigated her due to her ability and he had no qualms with lynching her then she must be town, because she clearly can't be godfather.

Also, Suzune herself could not have used her role after the BP died because she wasn't in the game at the time, it was Jamierus.

Why are you refusing to accept cop results...?

[LittleGumball]

We have seen one scum role, so that's not exactly zero feedback.

Personally I believe you're coming off as scum just trying to screw with everyone's faith in a confirmed cop.

[LittleGumball]

You believe I'm coming off as scum, or that I'm scum?

Either or, at this point I only have two people that I really believe are scum so I definitely need to broaden my horizons a little bit. I'd be okay with lynching you though.

[LittleGumball]

Who are they and why?

Also, in what universe do I spearhead an ika lynch when we can't get our shit together as scum?

Well I've got my vote on one of them (Riabi) and the other is Kling.

I don't know your metas so idk why you're asking me? I'm coming into this site with zero information on anyone so literally any kind of scum plan/interaction could happen because i don't know how anyone reacts to each other.
You're on my "I don't know" list so you're not even my top priority at the moment.

[LittleGumball]

I reeeeeeeeeeally wish I didn't have to work today, I missed everything.

Basically, Kling, Riabi, and Titus have now confirmed themselves as scum, the other is either Sath or Nero as far as I can tell, unless my townread of Dave is incorrect.

The town needs to work TOGETHER. We all need to vote the obvious scum together, right now our votes are all separate. If one of the confirmed townies votes an obvscum apart from my vote I will sheep them.

[LittleGumball]

I doubt there's another role that could mess with cop results, we already had a miller.

[LittleGumball]

sinsun i love you so much

[LittleGumball]

A lot depends on Gumball, he can claim first, last , or middle.

I believe I've made my stance clear. I don't like claiming as a means of defending yourself. This is not a cop-out to get out of claiming, I really do hate claiming

That being said I still believe the town needs to work together and trust each other.

Psyche are you voting for anyone? If so who, if not, WHY and who would you like to lynch?

[LittleGumball]

Mass claim is not a player, try again.

[LittleGumball]

sheeping my townie friend c:

Unvote
Vote: Titus

[LittleGumball]

If you're trying to "scare" people into not lynching you... nah it's not gonna work. Either you or one of your scumbuds is getting lynched today.

...if town decides to actually work together...

[LittleGumball]

hi mod can we have a vote count pls c:

Psyche, please vote for a scum. We need to start actually LYNCHING scum in order to win so please help.

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...if town decides to actually work together...

says the person not voting scumPV.

Except that most of the mafia is voting for him so no.

[LittleGumball]

I am no longer surprised by the odd claims in this game. At this point, I am beginning to think if you claim something boring it might be fake...sad commentary.

this

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That's a great question that can be answered after the massclaim. You can go next instead of Titus you you'd like.
...

@Riabi

- since you are here....

Yeah, I figured my slience on this would have given you your answer, but I'm still not convinced that a massclaim isn't a COLOSSALLY stupid idea. I'll wait to claim.

Your problem is the doctor being outed, right? So unless you're the doctor, which I highly doubt, you should have no problem claiming.

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Titus and Raibi are high on my list of potential suspects. Just because I feel like they sow the seeds of doubt into everyone's plays.

Are you voting for anyone? Let's lynch one of these scum.

[LittleGumball]

That's fair.

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Dave, please unvote Pere if you're town. If he's scum (which I doubt) he's a lesser priority than the obvious scum, who are Titus and Riabi and Kling.

it would be nice for Sath to say something helpful.

Psyche and Suzune please help us lynch scum.

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Wow, another IIoA wall saying it's perfect if we lynch Titus and to sell massclaim.

Oh and you're outright doc hunting in the thread

@Psyche, No Sinsun was.

you're just salty bc we're going to lynch you

[LittleGumball]

The enemy of my enemy is my friend?

Not when I think you're on the same team, sorry.

Get enough players on your bus and then I might join in, but you'll almost certainly be joining her tomorrow.

I highly doubt Sinsun is getting lynched. Ever.

if he does then wow town is dum

[LittleGumball]

Stop with the derping. He's not just rolefishing, he's role-

outing

.

Lynch him.

lmao

[LittleGumball]

Oh for Christ's sake. You really are trying to out the Doc, aren't you?

VOTE: Sinsun

wow i didn't even see this at first

This makes the connection between you and Titus clear. Titus also has a VERY clear connection with Riabi, and you all happened to be on a Pere lynch last time I checked.



DEAR TOWN,
Kling is obvscum with Titus and Riabi. I'm thinking the other is St. because he is quiet and has not cast a vote yet, although I can see Nero being a candidate as well. If we lynch Kling, Titus, or Riabi, we will be one step closer to winning. Currently there are 3 votes on Titus. Please vote for her so we can lynch scum.

thank friends,
Your friendly neighborhood LittleGumball

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oh yeah and I've forgotten Sinsun's inevitable hammer, unless she hammers herself. So that's a hypothetical 4. We just need 3 more. You can do it, town c: (Psyche, Thor, and Dave, I'm counting on you guys. Thor and Dave please switch your votes and Psyche please commit to this vote.)

[LittleGumball]

ack sorry for posting so much but ONE MORE THING

Scum are obviously so desperate to get this lynch that they are being insanely obvious about who they are. Town needs to be so much more vocal and proactive. Trust who you know to be town and work together with them. Trust your dead cop. We are so close to winning, but so are they, we need to be smarter and quicker than them.

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@LC, My vote is on Titus JSYK

It is? I must have missed it.
thanks friend

also i've been getting your name wrong this entire time i'm sorry

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@Sinsun, you may mislynch me, but you won't get Klingon after my flip.

What is this supposed to mean? or is it some scum wifom bs?

[LittleGumball]

If Titus is scum, then who is she aligned with?

I've already pointed out her connections to Kling and Riabi. 3854
All 3 of them are so obvious it almost physically hurts. It's hard to understand how anyone (besides scum) can not see it/ignore it. Do you need exact pointing to their connections?

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@Sinsun, you may mislynch me, but you won't get Klingon after my flip.

What is this supposed to mean? or is it some scum wifom bs?

It meant that I am town and the conflict between the PerV and Titus wagons should be a wakeup call.

The PerV wagon (if you include Klingon) looks a hell of a lot like the ika wagon. It had virtually no alleged conftown.

My wagon, assuming arguendo that I am lynched will require whatever "conftown" scum is on it. People see PV's claim as the fake it is and Sinsun as posturing scum.

You're fighting a losing battle, Titus. You are getting lynched because you are scum, that's the long and short of it. I admire your willingness to keep fighting but town's gotta do what town's gotta do.

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How likely is it that scum are acting as a block right now? Would they really go all in like this if one of them was one of the lynch candidates?
Gross generalization: It's boiling down to a 4v4 with 4 on the side, which is really weird to say the least.

That really does not seem likely to me. It must be an outspoken town + followers vs an outspoken scum + followers.

A lot of the reason the scum have been outed is because of all the confirmed town. If you can eliminate people you know who are town from the list then the probability of finding scum becomes much, much, much higher. I see no reason to not trust a dead cop.

To me, scum are acting like a block because they are desperate because they are

this close

to winning.

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You're fighting a losing battle, Titus. You are getting lynched because you are scum, that's the long and short of it. I admire your willingness to keep fighting but town's gotta do what town's gotta do.

please stop making posts like these

What do you mean?

[LittleGumball]

also i've decided that titus is town and will now vigorously her from further condescension and also lynch

Please provide reasoning.

[LittleGumball]

I am absolutely infuriated.

Psyche, please provide reasonings for your conclusions. WHY do you think x people are town? Why are you sheeping Thor but not sheeping other conftown?

[LittleGumball]

was too lazy to put out all the quotes but I just ISO'd Titus and Riabi together and Titus and Kling together and got some interesting stuff. i'm just going to copy/paste the notes I took so i'm sorry if anyone has trouble reading them



titus and riabi: ika votes literally right next to each other
purposely casting doubt about cop results
both voting for pere and obsessing about his massclaim thing at the same time (double scum pressure on a town)
both fighting with obvtown
didn't really interact much before today

titus and kling: both voting for sinsun who is so towny that it hurts
a liiiiiiiiiiittle weird that they were talking about ika earlier (1577), that's kind of a funny coincidence
titus talks about kling being scum during the senator lynch but never actually votes for her... until sinsun, who she thought was town, votes for her. who she now thinks is scum (she also voted for him the very next day). and she also now is buddy-buddy with Kling for no reason.
they both defended ika slot when it was arcangel
both vote rip literally right next to each other
yesterday they didn't seem to townread each other but today they're working together

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Have you not read anything going on today? I believe that they are 3 out of the 4 remaining scum because almost everyone else is town and they are the ones with the biggest connection that I can see. They are the most suspicious.

Please provide me with reasonings on who you think is scum and why.

Why do you think Titus is town?

You are not working with the town you are being stubborn and not helping anyone. Please contribute.

[LittleGumball]

I ISO'd them because I'm trying to prove their connection together to you. Are you not seeing any of this evidence?

[LittleGumball]

If all you're conftowns are right, this should be a really easy game. If they aren't well we'll see how it goes.

We WOULD be lynching scum if you weren't messing with town heads.

Psyche, stop whining that people are tunneling. People are not tunneling, people have found scum. How is that so hard to see? Also you still haven't answered on why you think Titus is town even though multiple people have stated cases on her.

Sinsun, when you read this, I know exactly how frustrated you are, but please don't lose your cool. If your ability will actually help town then use it. I would rather you be the hammer so you can prove to the nonbelievers that you're town. If we manage to get another couple people then it's safe to unvote and then use your hammer power.

DAVE AND NERO, please talk.

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Oh and I can't believe you also skipped Constantine's shitty claim.

He's on the back burner. I'm voting for who I strongly believe to be scum. Sure he could have just accidentally outed himself but that's something to look for after you or Kling or Riabi are lynched. I'm looking between Constantine and Nero constantly to see who I find more scummy and I can't decide yet.

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LG, People can tunnel on scum. They aren't mutually exclusive categories. I'm not scum though so...

I don't see how tunneling scum is a problem though? Like, if you prove that someone is scum then what's the problem?

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Only thing is, you Kling and Riabi aren't townies. Don't try and tell me otherwise.

Also why is it that you start scumreading people when they start scumreading you and then townread them when they unvote you? (Yes I'm specifically talking about Psyche)

[LittleGumball]

Okay? I didn't ask you about Constantine I asked you about Psyche?

Why did you start scumreading Psyche when he voted for you and then say "hmm maybe you're town" when he unvoted you?

[LittleGumball]

Okay? I didn't ask you about Constantine I asked you about Psyche?

Why did you start scumreading Psyche when he voted for you and then say "hmm maybe you're town" when he unvoted you?

That's my point. Constantine unvoted me the minute I scumread him. I am still scumreading him.

I answered that point on Psyche. We had the same thoughts at the same time regarding Constantine. That's not likely to come from scum.

Still doesn't explain your suspicion when he voted but okay. You do you.

[LittleGumball]

the cases are mediocre and you're being obnoxious again

My personality has nothing to do with the game. Please stop bringing it up.

thank friend

[LittleGumball]

My personality has nothing to do with the game.

that's your personality??

"you're being obnoxious" implies you're talking about my personality
unless I misunderstood in which case i'm sorry

but like i said it has nothing to do with the game so this is my last post about it

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3902 highlights her connections with Kling and Riabi, who (I believe) are 3 of 4 members of a scum team. She also rapidly flip-flopped her reads on you. She's finding everyone who votes her suspicious. She was casting doubt about the reads of the dead cop.

[LittleGumball]

If you'd like more, Sinsun makes some good points.

[LittleGumball]

Who's your scum team then?

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also it's not the ENTIRE team, i'm missing one member. I have been repeating this over and over.

[LittleGumball]

sighh

best scum team 12/10

[LittleGumball]

i felt that maybe for pv
but for the others, they just really really think you're scum

because she is scum

I've got some conspiracy theory here and it's probably wrong but I think if Constantine's a scum fakeclaim then he purposely claimed to save Titus because she's more important than he is. It's a little far-fetched but not entirely impossible.

[LittleGumball]

my hand is starting to meld into my face

maybe it'll sink into your brain and find you some members of a scum team that you never stated.

[LittleGumball]

Wasn't that "conspiracy theory" suggested by PV already and disproven?

Was it? I honestly did not see it if it exists. (or I might have seen it and can't remember, I just woke up)

[LittleGumball]

If he is not the roleblocker, he is claiming it to take the lynch away from Titus.

There would be absolutely no reason to do that if Titus were town. He would just let nature take his course, and the mislynch would go through.

I am fully willing to believe he's a roleblocker - what does that have to do with anything?
Nor do I see how his claim shifts the wagon off Titus.

I found the quote and... this is the only response to Pere's post... and... I...
This is disproven to you? What?
Exactly one person comments "nah i don't agree" and... that's "disproven" to you?

But dead cop results have probably been messed with!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just because you think so!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[LittleGumball]

No LG, I also walked through the fact that scum have no motivation to try and save me here. Even if I am wrong on that, the result is, you're still supposing hermit is scum.

Scum have every motivation to try and save scum.

Even if he's not lying and he's town, he (for some reason) thinks you're town and wants to save you. Same with Psyche, he literally won't explain to me why he thinks you're town but apparently he does.

I'm waiting for a further explanation from Constantine before I make my final verdict on him. Last I heard someone pointed out the absence of a person in his slot during a night so I'm waiting for that answer.

[LittleGumball]

I think I just need to take frequent breaks from this game, I'm getting way too into it and frustrated to the point of legit anger.

if you have more things to say to me i'll be back in a bit

[LittleGumball]

ive explained my titus reads tons of times

then link it to me

[LittleGumball]

What the fuck are you kidding me?

This is how I feel about this game right now.

[LittleGumball]

How does a Priest and a treestump work together though, that severely nerfs the voting power of town and we already had beloved princess too?

Maybe Kling is lying.

[LittleGumball]

Dumb question, if Suinsun was priest, why didn't he just "hammer"ika?

Because Ika beat him to it... did you even read yesterday

[LittleGumball]

Suinsun had plenty of time where ika was at L minus 1.

is he supposed to be online 24/7? I don't know what your point for questioning this is.

[LittleGumball]

Like idk, I understand the case on Cons but IDK, I'm in such confbias and it makes me real wary that he was the 2ND cw to PV.

And Pysche is acting like the Titus case was so super duper important but hes ignoring PV and Sinsun keeps dodging my question like he's straight outta the matrix. Ima sleep and think about what I want to do.

yeah psyche isn't answering anyone's questions