UNI MUM Mafia (Day 3, Stay Gold Pony)

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Hello everyone. Waiting in anticipation for my PM right now
how y'all doin

mod, if we die, are you saying that we are not allowed to play parcheesi with you anymore?
what about our weekly sessions?

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/confirm

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Hy-dentities:

Edgar Allen Pro: Varsoon and ???
Learned Hand: Titus and Drixx
Mass Flop: mastin2 and hiplop (the fungi)

did I get 'em all

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Hey zmuffinman
someone told me that I might be able to beat you in a rap battle?
I don't know what that means or why you were mentioned.
but hello

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someone told me that I might be able to beat you in a rap battle?

they lied since that's impossible

i will train in the mountains

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VOTE: shiro

anyone who is miller

sup

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good lord i hope i don't get nightkilled
i was looking forward to playing this game

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I remember reading this thread and someone asking me why I was scared of night kill

I read my role pm
I read learned hand saying if I don't claim miller D1 they will cut me
I decided I'm gonna go look at the wiki for miller because idk how to play as
It says I'd be more likely to be killed by a vig

sad life

OK I'm going to read the thread in earnest now

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I'm pretty sure dram saw through my thinly-veiled attempt to roll scum and gave me miller instead

early reads
tn and sharky read town to me. idk about jeanne. 3dice is slightly scummy.

I'm disappointed. You guys are actually town-reading me even though I admitted I was PMuch active-lurking.

In my opinion, this is the worst post in the thread so far

VOTE: diamond

I think you have balls for admitting to lurking this early, so yes, I'm town-lean on you, Diamond.

nope nope nope nope nope

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PEdit: It was partial snark, partial me commenting on how he's making another shitty miller claim. To be honest, all these miller claims are ridiculous, and making me lose interest in the game. We should lynch each and every one of them.

this only makes my vote a better one.

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I hate it when people say that. "You look like you're leaving an opening for backpedaling" or the like, where they're like "ooooh setting up to do X". No, you're assuming that. If you think someone's leaving an opening for something, note it down somewhere that isn't inthread and then call them out when they actually do it. All you're doing otherwise is scumreading someone for potentially doing something in the future which they haven't actually done and may never have been planning to do, or you may simply let scum know not to do that when they would have, stopping them from doing something scummy.

i like this

Why are you reading us as 100% town Dave? You read my scum games and lived through them. Such a hard stance on me is rather suspect.

do you think scum indicative?

May one of our two millers give a close approximation of exactly what their role PM says regarding their miller component?

i don't know what you're saying here.

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Roleplay, you wanted me to clarify my miller role or something? What does that mean?

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to paraphrase, investigations will return scum.

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Thoughts post:

cerb and roleplay (the avatarless crew) seem to be actively working to gamesolve
sorry that you're feeling that way DS, but I just didn't like your early game. The AtE is null to me.

Something of davsto's pinged me earlier. Let me try to find it.
Okay I can't find it. But 435 is like "talk about going for the easy targets" which isn't even scummy. And DS was an easy target at that point... i think? So maybe it was that.

Still don't know about jeanne but gut says town. I don't really trust my gut though.

is 307 the reason for 3dice voting DS because if so then 3dice needs to burn
Elbirn got some heat but nothing of Elbirn's raises red flags so far for me.

I don't have experience with Titus' scumgame but I think that Learned Hand is town.

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I hate it when people say that. "You look like you're leaving an opening for backpedaling" or the like, where they're like "ooooh setting up to do X". No, you're assuming that. If you think someone's leaving an opening for something, note it down somewhere that isn't inthread and then call them out when they actually do it. All you're doing otherwise is scumreading someone for potentially doing something in the future which they haven't actually done and may never have been planning to do, or you may simply let scum know not to do that when they would have, stopping them from doing something scummy.

Basically, those reads are awful and I immediately lean towards someone being scummy when they do it because anyone can go "they look like they're getting ready to do something scummy" and get a free, easy scumread.

PEdit: Insane Cops are bastard tho

I've thought about this post a fair bit. Originally thought it was really town.
Now, I'm not sure.
You say that people setting up for future scumreads by using bad logic is scummy by default? in my opinion, town could just as easily fall prey to the bad logic of the "setting up to do something scummy trap" as scum here. I'm sure I've at least thought the whole "opening for backpedaling" line before.
It's really hard to articulate my thoughts right now, but I feel like your logic is self-defeating. What DS is doing is using, in your words, flawed logic to get a free, easy scumread. But I feel like you're doing the same thing. You're saying terrible logic = scum which is definitely not true. And that's the kind of logic that you're using to get free, easy scumreads.
The reason I don't think you're scum, though, is because I think DS is scum. If DS flips town my read on you might change.

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I'm pretty sure dram saw through my thinly-veiled attempt to roll scum and gave me miller instead

early reads
tn and sharky read town to me. idk about jeanne. 3dice is slightly scummy.

I'm disappointed. You guys are actually town-reading me even though I admitted I was PMuch active-lurking.

In my opinion, this is the worst post in the thread so far

VOTE: diamond

I think you have balls for admitting to lurking this early, so yes, I'm town-lean on you, Diamond.

nope nope nope nope nope

PEdit: It was partial snark, partial me commenting on how he's making another shitty miller claim. To be honest, all these miller claims are ridiculous, and making me lose interest in the game. We should lynch each and every one of them.

this only makes my vote a better one.

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Also, no problem. I understand the pains of playing mafia on mobile

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VOTE: DiamondSentinel

Calls out Jeanne and I for mixing insults with content.

Does the same thing a post later.

3dice do you think this is scum indicative

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Sorry guys, holiday stuff is taking up my time. I should be free in about 8 hours

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catchin' up
hey itlepip

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up to page 29

Your face needs basic training.

ouch

roleplay looks town to me but i'll keep reading
i don't agree with the klingon read but i don't fully understand it either

Also welcome, I'm glad you're in the game and omg I can't express what a relief it is that someone is actually scum reading me, I thought I'd have to dive deep into the deliberate scumminess tank to give scum some reason to not shoot me.

I understand this but I think it's such a weird and odd thing to say

also townread on itlepip as of right now

I don't have any, I hate D1, I think it's all people blowing air up each other's asses because there are no FACTS to go off of, and I only work off of probabilistic reasoning.

If you'll direct your attention to LH's first few posts, you'll see then ask me for reads, and see me get irritated at them for asking me for something they should know I won't do on day one due to lack of information.

you can go ahead and be contrarian if you like, but blowing air up each other's asses isn't necessarily bad D1 because if you do turn out being scum, then we have associative info to go off of.
i also think you're over-pushing the playstyle defense and i don't like that.

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from page 30 on

i'm wary of LH this game, but I can't pinpoint as to why.
does anyone else feel this way or is LH just obvtown for everyone?

can't read elbirn
still suspicious of davsto

LH: That's s cop out, you are perfectly capable of playing and analyzing in spite of the noise. And yes, it's not a white knght, but it is a statement of fact. I find Jeanne's behavior consistently anti-town and scummy, but I know that doesn't make her scum, she's not consistent enough for it to be that easy. I say this even though if you guys lynch her, it makes my life infinitely easier.

don't think this is a wk, makes sense that you would think jeanne is non-indicative right now.

@jeanne, NEVER CRUMB TO SOMEONE YOU ARE NOT HARD TOWN READING. EVER!

how the hell do you crumb to someone in specific
actually you know what the whole concept of crumbing just confuses me completely

854 makes me want to vote davsto more
oh shit davsto claimed
hmm
is the bad voter thing alignment indicative? I don't really think so but the whole reaction test thing was town-motivated i think

868 what made you make this post? please answer this question. is it because of 867? (I know that davsto is obvtown now I just want to know if 867 linked to 868)

itle v. rp looks tvt to me
but rp is the stronger town

pedit

pedit: That's okay Errant. I'm not here to win people over, I'm here to find scum. ^^

I'm sorry, did you look in the book of "bad examples of things to say that will make people think you're town" and pick one?

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i'm going to give a partial readwall to help me out with this game

jeanne- town
LH- gut says scum but head says null
cerb- scummy
3dice- null, but scummier if DS is town (i think. I will have to check back on this)
DS- i think scum
davsto- town
roleplay- town
tn & elbirn- idk

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anyone want to ignore the jeanne-RP-itlepip deal and go back to DS

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yeah, i agree. dav is town.

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Meaning why don't you know?

nothing of elbirn's has been indicative to me of scum. or town.

anyone want to talk

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so whoever targets eap, then eap will know their alignment?
or is it whoever targets eap will know eap is town?

i don't get how reflexive works with friendly neighbor. sorry. not smart.

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I am 1000th post, yay!

proud of u

Whoever targets him will receive mod confirmation that he is town. It's not something fakeable it's easy to check, but it has a built in defense or "oh, I guess scum must have targeted me first" which he has now increased the likelihood of, thereby lowering his roles usefulness, increasing the chance that multiple town will target him and waste a bunch of actions, AND disincentivizing cops from checking him, because why waste a cop on someone when all you'll get its the same result someone else can get without wasting a cop shot.

if you're asking me whether or not it's a gambit, then i don't think so.
but i do see why you think it's suboptimal play. and your argument makes sense.

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This is going to sound bad.

Who shall I vote?

why preface this with a disclaimer? that in itself seems more scummy than your actual question.
also, can't you just look at the people that we are voting to see everyone's respective answer to that question?

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Phoneposting so im not reading until i get home from the grocery.
I got this pm, but from what it looks like everyone already knows about it.

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Yaknow

At first I was like "demanding a claim from someone not at l-1 with intent to hammer is really scummy"

And then I was like "lul idc". The actions are bad, but the way RP is going about this feels me with good feels and sharkys reaction is really bad

i'm somewhere in the middle. the way RP is going about it this is probably towny, but sharky refusing to claim until L-1 is fine by me.

so sharky's dreamer role is confirmed? right? does this not mean sharky isn't lying?
Why would I want to end my own life just to confirm sharky as town?
also, Dramonic's PM implies that I don't HAVE to kill.

dramonic i need you to clarify this

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I want to shoot diamond personally.

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Oh shit.

If my interpretation of Dramonic's PM is correct, Dramonic's interpretation of Sharky's dream is that the gun is not what makes the shooting compulsive, it's the previous imaginary "role" that the gun belonged to.
So my gun can be used at any time, or not at all.
And I bet you that the desperado effect won't kick in, either.

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so I just have a regular gun. That's what I'm getting from my PM.

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dramonic, you evil genius

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the pm implied that the gun belonged to a day one compulsive desperado.
And I still received a gun.

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would it be modkillable for sharky to quote to us what he dreamed?
it's not a role PM, so I don't think so

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Well, if it's a regular gun, I'd prefer you not shoot me. But if it's indeed Desperado, then go ahead and shoot me. I think you're scummy as fuck, and deserve to die.

I can't wait to hear your reasoning.

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I still don't see how sharky lied.

say sharky said "I give EP a day 1 compulsive desperado gun"
The phrase "day 1 compulsive desperado gun" could be easily interpreted as "gun that belongs to a day 1 compulsive desperado"
which is now a "gun that belongs to errantparabola"
which is implicitly a "gun"

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Well, if it's a regular gun, I'd prefer you not shoot me. But if it's indeed Desperado, then go ahead and shoot me. I think you're scummy as fuck, and deserve to die.

I can't wait to hear your reasoning.

no seriously, go ahead

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I still don't see how sharky lied.

say sharky said "I give EP a day 1 compulsive desperado gun"
The phrase "day 1 compulsive desperado gun" could be easily interpreted as "gun that belongs to a day 1 compulsive desperado"
which is now a "gun that belongs to errantparabola"
which is implicitly a "gun"

And now he's hard defending Sharky

After Sharky inexplicably picked him as his strongest scumread.

While voting for DiamondSentinel

VOTE: DiamondSentinel
One of the people I wanted to vote, thank you .3.

I am being shown a play on a stage, and the actors are all scum

set aside your scumteam theory for a second and look at the logic. is anything i said explicitly wrong?

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ds get your head out of your ass and respond to me.

also, roleplay.

Do you honestly think Dramonic said "Yes, you can give a day one compulsive desperado gun" and then gave you an ordinary vig shot with flavor? If so, that is flat out bastard moderation. That is the definition of lying to the players. It's literally the CPR doctor sort of role (Oh, you save him with your medical tools, but your medical tools are actually a bunch of knives and household chemicals because you're a crazy person so you kill them)

SHARKY did you ask dramonic if you could do said action
or did you just send said action to the mod
because this will determine whether I shoot you or not

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He should shoot me.

yeah just shoot me

lol

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What happens if I shoot sharky and flips town?
What happens if I shoot sharky and flips scum?

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what I meant by my question is what is our next move?

ALSO
itlepip investigating me is useless. i'm a miller.

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I did answer you, Errant. It appears that your name isn't the only thing that's errant, though. Your reading skills also appear to be fault.

have you looked at your own ISO?
Try ctrl+f "errant"
Tell me if there's anything that I can interpret as an actual case on me.

let me save your time. there isn't

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OKAY SO HERE'S WHAT'S GOING TO HAPPEN.
I shoot Sharky
Sharky flips town
Roleplay pushes for my lynch
I flip town

Right? Is this happening?
I am ready to shoot sharky.

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I think sharky gave dramonic a dream that could be interpreted in multiple ways, and dramonic did it to make us miserable.

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sharky should EXPLICITLY claim ALL of the questions (word for word) he's asked dram so far (as well as preferably paraphrasing all the answers dram gave)

i think sharky's already done this

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I'm shooting sharky in 2 hours. If anyone opposes, speak now or forever hold your peace.

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I shoot Sharky
Sharky flips town
Roleplay pushes for my lynch
I flip town

Right? Is this happening?

if you did shoot sharky, him flipping town wouldn't say anything about you...

i think sharky's already done this

can someone make-believe that i haven't read the game and link me to where this happened?

If sharky flips town, that means that that dramonic interpreted sharky's dream to make us miserable, I guess.

Why are you suspecting I could be third party..?

If the gun is an ordinary gun then I've been deceived.

"I invent a day one compulsive desperado gun and hand it to Errantparabola"

I asked before if I could do this, and I could. I don't understand why errant sees it as a regular gun.

Paraphrased, he said 'You may give a compulsive day one desperado gun'

Which I then proceeded to do.

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my friend DS
I'll respond to your case post sharky shoot
I don't really feel like it right now I am very mentally tired

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also the reason i asked (and would prefer seeing) sharky's back and forth with the mod is because i can see a situation where dram, being the tricksy scumbag he is, did technically answer all the questions honestly but sharky didn't ask the right questions; e.g. sharky asked "can i make someone X?" rather than "will doing this make someone X?"

this would mean nobody is necessarily lying and there's no bastard modding; dream interpretation is, after all, a science, and one that very few people have mastered, and while dram is clearly an expert in the field of dream interpretation, i expect sharky is a mere amateur. and if the former happened and not the latter, then the role is still exploitable

that said, it depends entirely on whether dram WILL give questions like the latter a not-vague answer and, of course, whether sharky is town (because if he isn't, then he's just going to lie either about dram giving sharky vague answers or he's going to claim he gave a certain "dream" to someone when he didn't actually)

so meh, probably a lot of rambling here but whatever

happy soon-to-be new year everybody!

I wholeheartedly agree

cerb: I expect for Sharky to flip town.

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also the reason i asked (and would prefer seeing) sharky's back and forth with the mod is because i can see a situation where dram, being the tricksy scumbag he is, did technically answer all the questions honestly but sharky didn't ask the right questions; e.g. sharky asked "can i make someone X?" rather than "will doing this make someone X?"

this would mean nobody is necessarily lying and there's no bastard modding; dream interpretation is, after all, a science, and one that very few people have mastered, and while dram is clearly an expert in the field of dream interpretation, i expect sharky is a mere amateur. and if the former happened and not the latter, then the role is still exploitable

that said, it depends entirely on whether dram WILL give questions like the latter a not-vague answer and, of course, whether sharky is town (because if he isn't, then he's just going to lie either about dram giving sharky vague answers or he's going to claim he gave a certain "dream" to someone when he didn't actually)

so meh, probably a lot of rambling here but whatever

happy soon-to-be new year everybody!

to be clear, sharky is claiming unlimited shot lucid dreamer?

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didn't mean to inlude that quote.

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Errant, what happened to you? A shot was supposed to happen awhile ago, are you reconsidering your optionz, rereading the game, stalling because you were lying, or what?

You told me not to shoot if i thought sharky was town.
So that's what im doing.

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The PM i got implies that my shot is vig.
I would not be opposed to a tn kill.
Let me shower, ok?

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i'm assuming that no one is opposed to me shooting TN?
and yeah, OF COURSE I'm stalling. but that's not alignment indicative. I'm stalling because I want to shoot scum, not town.

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Fine. shooting TN

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Although I don't see why I even have to shoot D1.

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Shoot TN

what a fucking shitshow

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Shoot TN

what a fucking shitshow

Since you and Sharky are copilots on the shit boat, I am more than a little annoyed by this comment.

Sharky gave the "desperado" to you, his apparent greatest scumread. The resulting clown fiesta can be boiled down to you two apparently not knowing how the fuck anything worked and communicating like shit with us.

I apologize for any difficulties I might have given you, then.
Anyway, I won't be dying but I'll give my thoughts anyway.

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1. Jeanne11 - claim is probably believable
2. Edgar Allan Pro - town
3. Klingoncelt - ISO
4. Learned Hand - leaning scum.
5. Cerberus v666 - town
6. 3dicerolling - ISO incoming
7. Elbirn - I'll comb through that ISO to see but ultimately I'll probably come up with null.
8. Mass Flop - will have to ISO
9. DiamondSentinel - still think should die.
10. sharky5x - town
11. Davsto - claim is believable
12. Shiro - claim is believable but hasn't done any hunting other than sharky
13. itlepip - not getting town vibes from this slot, I'll have to ISO.
14. roleplay25 - probably town
15. ErrantParabola - smells
16. zmuffinman - no thoughts.
17. tn5421 - sorry if you're town, bud

Let me ISO kling, 3dice, elbirn, floppy, and itle.

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Shooting sharky is dumb if he honestly thinks sharky is town and that his power he got was a normal vig shot.

Shooting sharky is GREAT if he has a desperado shot, but he doesn't believe he does.

Also, Errant, you never gave us your thoughts on the rest of the game, in case this shot does result in your death.

I still think that the shot is a desperado shot.

then mod was pretty much lying to me.

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kling did really little, play seems really reactive. Getting the sameish vibes as an ongoing game, but Titus clearly knows how to read Kling so I want her input.
That input might clarify my thoughts on Titus' alignment as well.

I'll be doing this in separate posts just in case I die.

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3dice- early game actually seems reasonably strong to me
I still think that if DS dies and flips town, 3dice is more likely to be scum. I don't like the timing and the logic of his DS push.
That fake vig shot seemed like an easy way to grab town cred from my remembrance, but I don't really have thoughts either way and I'm not going to go back and check for context.
play is overall more investigative but still sidelining and taking only a few strong stances. suspicious

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elbirn my old pal
170 says false bravado to me. I won't extrapolate a read from it because it could just as easily be me being paranoid. thought I'd say it anywya.
After racing through his iso, I'm still conflicted on elbirn slot. If I had to fall either way, I'll fall town
later game is better than earlier game, imo.
not someone i'd consider lynching right now.

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MF
not a lot here but what there is I will say town

I liked itle's push on cerb actually.
I felt like otherwise cerb was going to get ignored (push wise)
but then he finds some reason to lynch jeanne so maybe not.
I doubt itle/cerb are a team though because there's just no reason to draw attention to a slot if there's not attention already. The bus is not optimal
I don't want to just throw out reads, but itlepip i wouldn't mind lynching later in the game.

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Did you ever do what people suggested, and ask him: "If I use this shot on a town player, with no other modifiers in effect what will happen? If I use this shot on a scum player, with no other modifiers in effect, what will happen? If I do not choose to shoot someone before day end, and I am alive at the end of the day, what will happen?"

The answers to those questions would resolve EVERYTHING. I don't think you ever asked them though, you just valued your own interpretation over the answers the mod could give you.

Pedit: also thank you for giving your thoughts. If you have specific reasons why anyone is scummy, or SUPER town, it would be nice to hear them too.

You're right. I should have done that, and I will accept all of the blame for any clusterfuck that happens/happened.
I should have been more clear with the mod and I'm kicking myself a bit here.

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I have reason to believe my gun is multishot.
I will PM the dear mod about this.
If it is indeed, i will shoot again tomorrow if that is what you guys desire.

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I am paraphrasing the mod's response when he said i am a flavored dayvig
So yes modconfirmed multishot

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Sharky doesnt need to GIVE me the gun anymore
I own it
And it has unlimited bullets

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Because I don't believe it's each day. I think he's still lying, in some form or another.

I can prove it tomorrow.

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I don't want a deadline scramble.
Let's pick a dude and roll with it.

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VOTE: Diamond

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Sorry, something has come up.
V/LA until 1/5

i'll be reading but not posting

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VLA is more or less over. Let's see what happened since my absence.

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Hey guys, I'm V/LA until Wednesday due to health issues.

Please feel better.
Drixx, feel better as well.

I really like 1816
I'll tentatively buy DS claim.

i think errant is more likely town than scum, but this game is almost certainly multiball of some sort (probably not multiple scum teams, but i would be surprised if dram didn't include at least one third party)

Hmm. are you introducing the possibility that the third party is me?
Because if there aren't multiple scum teams, then I would be shooting inside my own faction.

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VOTE: ErrantParabola

I very much doubt that there are 2 Town Millers.

They might both be Scum, but they aren't both Town.

Really didn't like EP's ISO.

Considering I am a dayvig that can confirm this tomorrow, do you really want me dead?

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a few reads

i'm still kind of out of this game so I don't know if these are top notch reads.

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The d1 claims

jeanne the tracker
eap the rolecop
zmuffin the rolecop-confirmed
davsto the nonvoter
kling the child
shiro the miller
ds the VT
sharky the superdreamer

kling is mod-confirmed. sharky has some serious town-utility and if he doesn't do what town tells him to do then we lynch him.
eap/zmuffin interaction seems real to me. davsto acted pretty shady but we all know davsto's life is on a timer right now so unimportant.
jeanne's claim is also pretty believable. idk about shiro being flavor-confirmed but i'm unwilling to lynch for now.
ds... ehhhh.
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Learned Hand- i am willing to lynch you but i am also willing to go along with cerb's attitude.
Cerberus v666- i am personally uncomfortable with writing you off as town.
3dicerolling- disliked early game but i like you more
Elbirn- LH v Elbirn I prefer Elbirn as townier.
Mass Flop- i thought early game was decent, but i am WAY less confident about the slot. out of the people i'd like to see dead, i would least like to see you dead. best of the worst, essentially.
itlepip- i thought itle's entrance was good, and i don't know about roleplay's case but i can understand cerb's.
roleplay25- if scum, damn good one.

i know i'm taking a lot of weak stances. it's a vicious cycle. i can't get into a game, i don't get a lot of solid reads, makes me less willing to get into the game.
cerb, do you think town can't win this without LH?

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EP can I hear why DS is town? No one has answered me yet and are just waiting for a deadline panic lynch on me

i think it's because of the claim.
fmpov that's the only redeeming thing ds has done.

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i put my thoughts about the claimed folks.
i still would be fine with ds dying.
shiro not today. davsto not today. sharky not today.
others seem pretty town.

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Can someone tell me what town would gain from shooting me? Because that's the ONLY time I will be fine with dying. Someone give me something I can be a martyr for and I might not rip it to shreds.

well, if you're still convinced it's a desperado shot, then it would (in your belief) kill me, (and you think I'm lying about my gun). But in reality, it would confirm me as telling the truth

like i dont believe any half-decent mod would mod a upick and say "this flavour makes sense as scum/town/3p so i'll make it that"

i do believe he might have randomised roles then chosen alignment

or randomised alignment then chose fitting roles

neither of these exclude the possibility of a scum miller, or scum who has perfect miller flavour and chose to claim it

don't try to flavour-game, it's never a good thing

i thought what the mod did was choose alignments before receiving the flavors, which was why i was ruling out scum miller in my mind, but now that i think about it the opposite is more than possible.

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cerberus.
do you think that LH is scum?
I heard you mention that LH's town utility is too great to risk it, but I don't remember if you explicitly thought LH was scum.

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Has anyone been keeping track of the votes?
What is itle at right now? L-3?

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Phoneposting so i havent been working my way through the walls.
But it looks like im close to mod confirmed not lying about my shot.
It also looks like, as cerb said, ds isnt gonna happen.
Which is fine.
VOTE: learned hand

This might change once i go home, and i know its been a long time since ive played with him, but elbirn's play is so far removed from his scumgame in my newbie that i cant help but think he is town.

And i do think that lh's early game was weak.

What did i miss in the last 5 or so pages?
Any claims? Any big events?

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Anyone wanna fill me in?
Cerb you seem to be not occupied right now
Mind helping a lowly phoneposter out?

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Cerb, I'm being a bad student right now (im a young-ass kid) so i guess we're like soul sisters.
What's your own stance on itle?
As for me, although i personally believe that ds and lh are better lynches with the limited info that i have, i would not be opposed to itle if it gets us a flip.

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Sorry you're feeling that way Titus.

mod: im not sure if youll answer this question, but did you give fakeclaims to the scum?

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Roleplay, is lh confirmable d2?
Is elbirn confirmable d2?

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Roleplay, is lh confirmable d2?
Is elbirn confirmable d2?

Confirmation of role is not confirmation of alignment. I keep telling people this.

I understand that, and that is part of the reason why I asked if there were fakeclaims given out in this game.
I also understand that even if dram answers this, that doesn't confirm anything about anyone.
But I'd rather have that info.

DS why aren't you voting itle?

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Sorry you're feeling that way Titus.

mod: im not sure if youll answer this question, but did you give fakeclaims to the scum?

mod did you see this question and decide to ignore it because that's not information we're privy to or didja miss it?

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I'm curious as to why DS suddenly got lynch immunity when he claimed.
Nothing against you, DS, I just don't think that softing flavor clears your alignment.

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I have to agree with that. It definitely would be a bold move for scum-DS to claim VT in a UPick game.
That's the other part of why I asked if Dram gave fakeclaims.

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Errant, I want you to watch what I do and who I interact with in the coming days, and then decide your shot tomorrow based on that. I know it's selfish, but I know what I'm doing.

That's fine. Okay with this.

Learned Hand- i am willing to lynch you but i am also willing to go along with cerb's attitude.
Cerberus v666- i am personally uncomfortable with writing you off as town.
3dicerolling- disliked early game but i like you more
Elbirn- LH v Elbirn I prefer Elbirn as townier.
Mass Flop- i thought early game was decent, but i am WAY less confident about the slot. out of the people i'd like to see dead, i would least like to see you dead. best of the worst, essentially.
itlepip- i thought itle's entrance was good, and i don't know about roleplay's case but i can understand cerb's.
roleplay25- if scum, damn good one.

So I am fine with DS being out of this lynchpool for today, seeing as it's not gonna happen.
Elbirn has made himself look more towny in my eyes. I'm willing to eliminate Elbirn and RP from this lynch list personally, and I see cerb as not gonna happen.

Everyone make a list of who they see themselves lynching D1. Please, for my sake. I'd like for us to consolidate and fast.
My list is: Mass Flop, itlepip, 3dice, Learned Hand.
If momentum on LH is reversing (which it seems like it is) then I am more than willing to go with VOTE: itlepip right now.

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You are better than this as town. Which makes me think you aren't.

Sorry for not being able to pinpoint why, but this makes me ridiculously uncomfortable.

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Alrighty, so I looked through tn's iso fully now.

He wanted Jeanne, RP, and sharky lynched, in that order.

He claimed he would have shot one of zmuffin or Jeanne had he received the shot.

Also threw some shade on 3dice.

Town leaned diamond.

LH asked him specifically what his thoughts were on the millers, and he found it likely.

If LH gets lynched and flips scum, I think cerb is a bit more likely to be town??? Hmm.
About your TN iso. I would be looking at the people that TN didn't interact with a lot for scumreads. I'm pants at associatives, and it really doesn't narrow down my current list.

Also, I noticed a lot of people saying that they were miserable, and I'd like to say, Dramonic, you've at least failed in making me miserable.
Other than the vitriol in this game, the game's complexity has been a blast. Heart-pounding stuff. My role is pretty cool, too.

p-edit. LH. I don't think i've said that cerb is town. But I simply don't see a cerb lynch happening today. I feel like there's not a lot of information to be had (if we're wrong about cerb) based on cerb's lack of D1 associatives (which could be an interesting strategy to have as scum but the whole "shit at D1" is obviously genuine) and itlepip rolling scum would also make me consider cerb for town considering the out-of-the-gate pressure on cerb from itle.

p-edit 2. Kling, I know you're sick (and please feel better soon) but do you have a list of players that you would be alright with lynching if Roleplay doesn't pan out? If not, that's okay.

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I've heard the suikoden game thrown around so much that i'm beginning to think it's some legend or something

ps titus i feel like you suggesting that cerb should only go after those in your lynchable pool is a bit off. are you preemptively expecting cerb to cooperate? and why?

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Titus, sorry if you've asked this before. Who do you consider to be "in your camp" right now?
And do those people townread you as well?
I feel like your efforts to establish a townblock haven't been obvious and from the little I know of your play, that's a primary objective of yours when you're town.

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Me
Jeanne
Itepip
Klingon
DiamondSentinel
You
Davesto

1. I can't help but think this is pretty weak because 5 of the 6 are claimed roles. I don't understand why you would ask cerb on not lynching in your townblock when, again, 5 of the 6 members of your townblock are pretty much not gonna get lynched D1.
2. I know that I am again shifting the burden of proof to your side, and for that, I am once again sorry. Could you sell me on 3dice?

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I don't understand why you would ask cerb on not lynching in your townblock when, again, 5 of the 6 members of your townblock are pretty much not gonna get lynched D1.

LH I'd like you to clarify this.
Elbirn if you want to lynch itle, why not vote?
I might as well go iso 3dice to confirm what you say, Titus.

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There are a number of things that I really like about 3dice's early play.
There are a number of things that I don't like about 3dice's early play.
Ultimately I'm going to agree with you and conclude town.

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Pushing jeanne is riling her, you know that.

Hold up. So is jeanne somehow push-immune for this reason?

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Cerb im pretty sure im voting itle

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Went over my iso and my last vote is indeed on itlepip.
VOTE: itlepip
Doin' this for you dram <3

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All of the people townreading me either are probably scum (LH) or just don't really give a shit to push someone else. Hey we can quickly see if Davsto really has a vote!
VOTE: itlepip

I do not think this is coming from a town perspective.

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Yo DS. How likely do you think it is that LH is gonna get lynched compared to itle?

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Is no one weirded out by RP calling "itlepip is scum" for an eternity

And then he gets him to l-1 and he wants to swing the wagon over to LH instead?

How is is scum indicative?

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Fuck. I haven't obvtowned have I? I don't see anybody calling for my head yet. This is weird.

If pip is scum I have no idea what that does to lh.

I personally think that LH is in a worse position D2 if pip flips town than if pip flips scum.
But either way I don't think it swings too much.
Thoughts?

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But if he flips scum hooboy, then we know that was mama titus protecting her young. That's how she operates as scum.

That's an interesting point to make.
I've heard other people say about Titus that "her survival is most important to her as scum," which I took with a grain of salt because I wasn't able to get that verified.
And in this case, your claim seems to contradict with that.
Has Titus hard defended a scumbuddy D1 when she didn't have a lot of towncred before?

pedit It was fun playing with you too, pip. We didn't interact as much as I would have hoped to in this game, and sorry if I contributed to your mislynch.
pedit2 not so interesting fact i just got back from getting my driver's license

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Titus, I understand your frustration with being ignored and I apologize if I contributed to that.
I'll go over your ISO during night phase if that helps at all.

p-edit: since i'm not in that list, pip, I assume that either you despise me so much that even referring to me makes you throw up in your mouth a little bit
Or I'm so town that I'm off the charts

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Titus do you still think that I'm desperado?
also pip you should always feel popular because we all love ya

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We may play in the dead QT, but not here.

Bah!
Where's my dead QT?