SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

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VOTE: Gale
Kaboom

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Dang it ABR.

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I'm well aware.

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Okay, before I claim let me gather a few info. Who are all in my wagon right now?

Abr, Yoyo, Lowkey, DGB, Skybird, Fluminator, itlepip, and Zulfy

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Why? Are you worried about being quicklynched after?

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UNVOTE: Just Claim Already

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I DID UNVOTE. CLAIM NOW!

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Cool Cucumber, vote Gale and I'll hammer.
I'll claim the power to Pip in the night and we'll use it on something we both agree with. He can recruit someone like Sensei for tomorrow too.
(neighborhood's stay at night right?)

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I'm hammering if there's no objections.

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VOTE: Gale

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Screw you mafia.

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What ability did you get from hammering?

I wasn't able to use it last night, and I still have it so no point claiming it yet.
Pip knows what it is, and if he's stumped and can still post yay.

When I'm not tipsy and have a computer, I have a post copy from the hood. Gale's reactions to people jumping on his wagon were interesting.

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I don't see me?

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Fire hasn't spread this round. Interesting.

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You're not a talkative one, are you.

I started reading TCC iso, and there is just so little content in so many posts it's hurting my eyes.
I'm think TCC and Skybird are our best bets for scum, followed by ZZZX, and outside shots on Zulfy, Goofball, and Klingon in that order.

Gale handled Sky jumping on his wagon much much differently than Yos, Loki, and I jumping on his wagon. He reacted in a very omgus and worried manner when we jumped on and called us all scum. When Skybird jumped on, he reacted:

Pedit 2: Lol Flum, has your read changed on Skybird now?

Reading through GWS' posts the past 3 pages or so, he doesn't look good. The posts feel off to me, as in not how I would expect town to react. I can support that wagon.

VOTE: GWS

Sky, what is the feeling exactly? Can you elaborate?

Also, Sky's vote seems opportunistic to me. What do you think Flum?

It almost felt like he was taunting me that with that one knowing I was scum reading them both. He seemed less interested in Sky's actual vote for him, and more for my reaction.^
And that was basically it.
After that, the wagon just took off on him and he didn't have time to react to all the votes.

Cool Cucumbers vote initially felt like a "screw it, he's going down anyway" vote. But rereading it, voting then when he knew I would hammer and get a power throws me off a little. Albert was still a possible lynch, especially if they pushed for a double lynch, and I would have expected scum them to get a double lynch in. I need to finish re-reading them.

VOTE: Skybird
So many things keep adding up on her and I still have yet to see a town tell. For anyone who doesn't want her lynched, give me a post that come across as townie from her please.

I could be convinced to vote for Cucumbers.

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If a townie roleblocked someone, there's a good chance they roleblocked scum or fire probably would have spread.

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Today we are lynching Zuffy, DGB or even possibly Fluminator. Skybird is a possibility however I'd prefer there to be some flips as I've got some interesting interactions there.
VOTE: DGB
¬wgeurts

Why'd you give me the hammer then?
If skybird flips scum, I'm keeping this post in mind.

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ROFL Zulfy. Thanks for the vote.

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Fire is a daily action

Its adding to vote counts from sometime during the day phases

~Rylai

Oh yeah. I knew that. Nevermind

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Yours Truly

Fuse

, With his JOATs

By the way. Why the heck did you claim?

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It's day 3 Cerb. Time for some reads. No more excuses.

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Oh, and Fluminator: I gave you guys vague reads yesterday, well, wgeurts reads, but I agree'd with all of them at the time. I mean, if you really want I can give you a shitty ass "I didn't put any time into this" rough approximation of my position on people, but it certainly won't be up to the standard Drixx and yourself seem to expect from me within 24h of day start during the work week.

...

Fuck it. I'll grab the playerlist and make some notes off the top of my head while I work. brb in a bit.

-Cerb

I get the sense of panic or you wouldn't have interpreted that as "reads list right now!"
But yes, please do that.
And then spend your time on this game on getting reads on players.

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Snip

Thank you for the long post.
Some comments:

I understand the feeling of being busy and this game taking time. It's why I usually only ever do 1 game at a time. (6 engineering classes, job hunting, and a couple other commitments.) But you need to consider changing your playstyle if you don't pick up reads as the game goes by. You shouldn't have to take a super long time to remember and list your reads if you've been following the whole game.
Your read on Drixx was weird saying, "why is he asking me to analyze the game? He should know I don't got time for that" Instead of wasting time arguing about semantics with Rylay, (or whatever you were arguing, I already forget so it couldn't have been too worthwhile), spend your limited time on catching scum and trying to read people as you talk to them.

Two, about your blurb on me. Pip knows what my power so there's really no reason to tell the entire town what it is yet. It would be nothing beneficial.
And if there is one person responsible for giving me the hammer, it's your hydra partner. I told him to vote Gale so I could hammer. He did and I hammered. The fact he's not town reading me today is really bizarre.

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No one here is intending to personally hurt you Mollie. It is genuine confusement of your role. Maybe take a small break and come back. I know the feeling

Spoiler: off topic rambling of a post you made a awhile ago

You mentioned being curious about tulpas? Do you have experience lucid dreaming or just straight up dreaming when you go to bed? If you do you can probably understand how powerful your brain is. The way I understand it's when you are able to pull off similar feets of brain trickery while awake. It's quite dangerous to do in my experience and it can sometimes make you feel like you're in a nightmare while awake if your brain goes out of control. My Christian upbringing viewed it as especially dangerous due to demons and such taking over and would view all tulpas as demons. I honestly haven't fully ruled it out myself yet. I had a bad enough experience that I'm fine sticking with the much more materialistic and less spiritual western culture, but there are some Buddhist monks I'm sure and others who have mastered their brain so much they can do crazy stuff. I just stick with lucid dreaming.
The guy who posted in the gd was a little more extreme and I personally didn't fully believe him. But who knows.

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Pip and I actually talked about it in the hood a bit. He ended up having a town read on Sky because he thought she would have stacked it with Gale's power if she was scum.
I figure if they put all their cards on one basket, they'd know we'd likely make them a main character so they probably planned for two. Gale dying makes it a lot harder for them to do.
Sky's role apparently isn't permanent though which confuses things.
Zzzx getting it is all wifom and not something I'm taking into account . If ABR can heal Rylay and Yos up, he should still do it though.

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Why'd you get killed on me itlepip.

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Flum: So, basically, you DO think it's likely that we're looking at a single scum team that had two slots with the ability to make people permanently hated who chose to spread out the modifiers?

Yes.
The town is really powerful, and Varsoon surely put crazy scum powers in. The hated mechanic is actually a pretty genius idea and works perfectly with the main character mechanic.
If they put everything on Yos or Rylay, they'd run the risk of us making them a main character. If they spread it out among two, we couldn't protect both. I think Gale dying hurts that plan though.
Also, Varsoon said you always need a minimum of one vote to lynch someone. He confirmed that the Fire vote would count as the minimum to lynch. (Thinking back, this makes the BIT vote a little more sketchy because it would go perfect with anonymously hammering someone)

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ABR and Sensei please keep all your arguments about who's better at this game in the party topic. That was boring to read.
Yos and Pirates back and forth was also boring. Nothing to see here.
Zulfy, explain your motive behind the fire choices.

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Actually, Klingon is probably town. If she was scum, she would have kept the bit vote hidden until someone was at L-1.

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She still revealed the vote existed by voting you with it. If she was on a scum team, surely they would tell her to leave it hidden until a quickhammer could happen.

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Who the hell are "BIT" and "FIRE"

In another game Varsoon gave one of the Scums a secret extra vote, called Dragon, though Town somehow thought it was a Dog.

Varsoon letting Scum have two extra votes? I doubt it. I think one is Town's and one is Scum's.

I'm also not going to claim until l-1 like normal people do.

Sensei has TWO votes. Plus there are the FIRE and BIT votes. Who knows what other votes are out there.

Everyone might want to consider claiming

before L-1

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Only times she mentioned the BIT vote on day 1. She claimed the BIT vote early day 2.
Her post about warning players about voting shenanigans seems pretty town. I'll look into it a little more tomorrow.

P-edit: hmmm, I'll keep that in mind.

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I thought sky claimed hers was temporary.

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Skybird what did you do last night?

I did absolutely nothing last night.

In looking at Itlepip's role, the only section that is different is the middle one. He gained magic via being a neighborizer, I have to hammer someone to gain magic or go on adventures.

Lol. She definitely said her role was the same as Pip's in that regard and Pip's was only temporary here.
That's a contradiction, and possibly a scum slip.
VOTE: Sky harder

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Skybird - Likely town. The issue with the temp hatred vs perm hatred is the only potential case against her, but we can test that. If she really does have a temp hatred/ roleblock ability she's never ever used, she's probably town, and we should be able to prove that tonight.

Only potential case? Wtf? What about all the other things that people are calling her out on. She's almost definitely getting lynched so if you have a compelling reason to think she's town you need to say it. (The only thing you've mentioned in the past was it was townie of her to want to lynch Rogue.)

How the heck does Zulfy know that DGB is a VT?
Also, ABR.
Very early on in the game while looking for associative tells to use later I wondered whether you and DGB are masons due to how you insist on each other's towniness without any further explanation. Usually voicing these suspicions is a bad idea, so I've refrained from asking until now. But seeing how DGB is likely a viable lynch option and there's no need to waste time; are you? Is this how you know she is town?-Wgeurts

Mason hunting? Really?

I think a double lynch on Sky and Cucumber would be good. If we only lynch one, let's get Sky.
Zulfy and DP are off the table. Klingoncelt is probably town.
The only other people potentially worth lynching right now I think are DGB and Zzzx.

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Wgeurts, why did you give me the hammer if you are scum reading me?

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You didn't consider it even when I made this post to you?

Cool Cucumber, vote Gale and I'll hammer.
I'll claim the power to Pip in the night and we'll use it on something we both agree with. He can recruit someone like Sensei for tomorrow too.
(neighborhood's stay at night right?)

Cerb said you were certainly considering me at that time period. Can you expand on your thought process at end of day?

My hydra partner expressed his scum read of you to me in between giving you the hammer and when the flip happened yesterday, before I pointed out the weirdness of GWS specifically asking you to unvote, so yeah...though I do admit I don't have any idea why he gave the hammer to you since he was scumreading you at the time. *shrug*

-Cerb

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Yep. Cool Cucumbers is scum.

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"Is he the only one happy around here?"

-Asellus,

discussing Rastaban, Chateau Auguille

VOTECOUNT 3.04

Skybird (4):

Albert B. Rampage, Fluminator, Sensei, Zulfy

Zulfy (3):

Klingoncelt, BIT, Skybird

Albert B. Rampage (1):

FIRE

Yosarian2 (1):

FIRE

ZZZX (1):

DrippingGoofball

The Cool Cucumbers (1):

FIRE

Not Voting (7):

Rylai and Lina, Lowkey, ZZZX, Drixx, Yosarian2, The Cool Cucumbers, Drunken Pirates

With 14 Alive, it takes 8 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-02-18 23:10:00)

The Main Character is

Sensei

The Party is

Albert B. Rampage, Yosarian2, Rylai & Lina, and Drixx.

Spoiler: MC VC

Yosarian2 (3):

Yosarian2, Rylai & Lina, Skybird

Sensei (2):

Drunken Pirates, The Cool Cucumbers

Fluminator (1):

Zulfy

Drixx (1):

Klingoncelt

Albert B. Rampage (1):

Albert B. Rampage

Lowkey has been prodded.

10 days guys. Can someone explain to me why we went from 1 vote(which was placed by something you all fucking thought was a scum power until recently, and then suddenly fucking changed your mind on or decided if it was a scum power, maybe scum are using it to distance themselves, or something like that, it was an R&L post that suggested this for some reason and they don't make sense to me) to 6 on these few pages while I've been not posting so i don't get into a shouting match with R&L?

None of the reasons for voting given by any of you are actually good ones, especially when we're in a game with fucking dgb and flum and sky and klingon. Nothing any of you have noted are actually fucking scummy things, at the WORST they're playstyle conflicts.

DP: Seriously? "Oh yes, I'm just going to hop onto this wagon and express doubt about it and put them at L-2 in a game with double voting mechanics for no actual reason." You keep asking people for their fucking reads on us, and keep saying stuff like "yeah, gogurts seems town, but cerby is pinging me" and NEVER SAYING WHAT IS PINGING YOU and then other people articulate (bad) reasons for voting us, and you suddenly just decide it's sufficient cause to lynch us over all the no content useless slots in the game?

*sigh* Give me a minute. Let me address all of the dumb (in my opinion) points made in the sequence of votes that have happened recently, and then I'll go actually reread some peoples shit and give you firm reads, starting with the ones who haven't been doing anything. I'd appreciate if nobody hammered before I at least get my thoughts out, but whatever. When votes like DP's occur it gives me little hope that anyone's going to bother actually reading what I have to say.

-Cerb

pedit: yeah, I know ABR. I'm pinging wgeurts and just waiting for him to tell me to go ahead and claim, I really don't like doing stuff like that(ya know, potentially massively game altering things) without actually hearing from my partner.

Looking at this without meta, this post is still a scum flail.
And comparing this with how town you handles pressure it's completely different.
The bold part seems particularly flaily and not genuine. If you actually think they've been doing scummy stuff you'd be mentioning it before this point.

If it makes you feel better, I still find wgeurts more scummy than you.

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I won't lolhammer you cerb. Please take the time. Anyone who does will should be policy lynched.

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If you ever want to talk DP, I'm here to listen. Sorry if I've missed some of your posts. It's a large game and I generally power read and miss stuff.

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That's the thing though man, I don't think they've been doing scummy stuff, but I do think they've been doing more *nothing* than we've been doing, and the push is on the basis of either us not scumhunting, or not scumhunting "genuinely". It's ridiculous to go after us for that reason and *not* be going after those other slots I mentioned. Does that make sense flum?
-Cerb

The cases against you aren't only the lack of scum hunting though.
And your complaint about the other four is still bad. For one, people are definitely going after Sky. People were going against Klingon much earlier than you but she's towned up. Saying I've been doing nothing is a load of crap. DGB is probably the only one you have a right to be offended by.

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I really think it would be wise to back off and give Cerberus some time. I would like people to unvote simply so nobody silences him and claims they didn't realize. We have a good amount of time and he shouldn't feel like he has to compromise his real life to dump hours into the game today, or else. That's just asinine, even if he rolled scum. Nobody deserves to be pushed like that, regardless of alignment, when the day phases are so long.

This is mostly an OOC post. This is the person behind the keyboard saying that not one of us would want to be put in a position of having to set aside our Real Life plans (especially on Super Bowl Sunday) or else get lynched. It's one thing if we're close to the deadline, but this isn't that. A little empathy and compassion for one another would go a long way toward making things so much more pleasant.

I'll get down off my soap box now.

No one's asking Cerb to set aside his real life plans. He has time to respond. He's not going to get quickhammered.

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I really think it would be wise to back off and give Cerberus some time. I would like people to unvote simply so nobody silences him and claims they didn't realize. We have a good amount of time and he shouldn't feel like he has to compromise his real life to dump hours into the game today, or else. That's just asinine, even if he rolled scum. Nobody deserves to be pushed like that, regardless of alignment, when the day phases are so long.

This is mostly an OOC post. This is the person behind the keyboard saying that not one of us would want to be put in a position of having to set aside our Real Life plans (especially on Super Bowl Sunday) or else get lynched. It's one thing if we're close to the deadline, but this isn't that. A little empathy and compassion for one another would go a long way toward making things so much more pleasant.

I'll get down off my soap box now.

Fuck have to respond to this.

<3. Thanks. I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter though, people demand answers and as we both know, people are stupid about voting discipline in this game and seem to feel that you can't actually pressure someone without having them at l-1, because people don't notice when others are suspicious of them and respond the same way to mass voiced suspicions as they would to the actual votes. /s

So yeah, I'm going to be looking at stuff for this game now instead of enjoying my life because I can't just trust that if I don't deal with stuff and I go to sleep we won't get hammered while i go to sleep under the pretense of "He's stalling! scum!"

-cerb

People are stupid about voting discipline this game?
In a game where the town organized a double lynch? wtf? You're not even at L-1. And on day 2 it was YOUR slot that set up the hammer.
Stop being full of crap cerb please.

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Sorry, when you said you were probably going to be hammered this game because people are stupid about voting discipline in this game, I interpreted that as you meaning it was specific to this game.
Just do your thing. I'll be around when you're ready. Enjoy your evening.

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Uhh, you know Pip doesn't have a vote.

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Wait nevermind, that's the hammer.

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RIP cerb. He's too good at this game as town, that his scum game becomes obvious.

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Am I a bad person for really wanting to hammer right now, even though I told cerb no one was going to hammer him - especially not me? lol

[Fluminator]

Must resist the urges. I need to leave. See you tomorrow.

[Fluminator]

Babylon 5? You mean my favorite TV show? What????

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Sensei, if you're going to hammer, please let me do it.

[Fluminator]

Before you go, tell me if you mean Babylon 5 when you say B5?

[Fluminator]

Yes, it's B5 flum. Drixx insists I watch the show and so we're working through it, watching it in sync on TS with him and his wife. Tonight was supposed to be spent watching B5 after I did some housework.

-Cerb

Fuck off sensei. You're right, I could have, but there is more to say than just my role. You'll see why when I claim. I guarantee you will 100% autohammer me if I just fucking claim my role and flavor.

We are definitely going to have to discuss that show when you're done.

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Why'd you kill Pip. </3

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I guess one thing that's interesting to note is the mafia kill didn't go through if they're telling the truth.

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You probably have a juicy soul though Cerb.

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lol

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Do you still win with town if you die before scum all die?

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What happens if the main character vote is a tie again?

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MC: Sensei

why not.

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Well, the fact he's not self hammering and keeping the soul from me basically proves he's not a mafia and only third party for what it's worth.

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No.

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I'll claim cerb's soul if it's one I get to use right away though.

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No you're definitely at L-1.

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@ABR, I'll claim in the party if I'm in it tomorrow. There's no chance I'm claiming it here. Pip will probably back me up on this one.

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Please don't hammer him Klingon.

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I'm not going to rush a lynch until Yosarian gets back. Take care that wgeurts returns before then if you want him to say anything.

You should probably get someone else to unvote then, because Klingon has two votes.

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You're almost definitely getting lynched cerb. If I were you, I'd wait to see if Varsoon allows you to win in death with the town. If you do, you should make a final reads list for us.

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@Varsoon

If someone is both killed and treestumped, what would happen to them?

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So mafia either hit a protected person, or they were roleblocked. They couldn't have also targeted Pip.

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Also, if we're not lynching Skybird today, we absolutely need to test her temporary hater claim.

[Fluminator]

Well obviously Skybird should test it on TCC.

Not if we're lynching TCC.

[Fluminator]

Can you post the one where you target Pip?

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Lol. Is copying Skype logs even legal? There's probably no faking that. Wgeurts giving me the hammer and scum reading me now makes sense. It was confusing me since it didn't make much sense for either town or scum. Third party though. Heh.

Can you post the one where you target Pip?

flum i am here

Hey. Do you think we should still lynch him, or try to leash him?

[Fluminator]

To those who missed it, you didn't miss much. They started arguing about which ninja turtle was the coolest.

Coolest? Donatello.
Ralph's too angsty, Leo's too straight-laced, and while Mikey is great fun, he's not exactly 'cool'.
I feel as though Donny's melding of technology and kung-fu reinforces the whole urban-ninjas motif the strongest.

[Fluminator]

Anyway, I'm going to bed. Our roll continues though!

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Holy crap calm down. You literally have only one vote on you.

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Lol. Is copying Skype logs even legal? There's probably no faking that. Wgeurts giving me the hammer and scum reading me now makes sense. It was confusing me since it didn't make much sense for either town or scum. Third party though. Heh.

Can you post the one where you target Pip?

flum i am here

Hey. Do you think we should still lynch him, or try to leash him?

I am leaning lynch him but I am still catching up. they tried to fuck town over it and is lol that they are now begging for mercy when they are caught.

if yoyo becomes stricken with...whatever it is that going around then I literally give up and will only talk to you for the rest of the game.

DON'T DRINK THE WATER FLUM

Hey, I'm exceedingly upset they killed Pip which really messed up a very strong system. So I understand why you want to lynch him. I'll think more about it today.

[Fluminator]

What the heck am I even reading anymore.

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I still think someone should make a reality tv show based off mafia.

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This party is more of a train wreck than the one yesterday. And that's saying something.

I'm leaning towards thinking we should lynch cucumber, despite how bad I feel from him trying so hard.

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Loki (Can I call you that) in case you missed it he claimed third party.

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I still think someone should make a reality tv show based off mafia.

reck wanted to do a survivor game weekend at his place and film it.

you shld see the f2f mafia screaming matches pple get into here lol. I always die early regardless of alignment cos I have an obvs tell and every1 knows it BUT I WILL GET THEM SOMEDAY

I totally think it is videotaping worthy tho I can hear the screaming going on from the dead room.

Lol. That would be epic. I was once at a survivor party where we voted someone out every 15 minutes or so. I was the first merge boot by an all girls alliance. Got to watch out for those.
Oh boy, f2f matches I always get lynched either way because I talk too much.

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I read the whole claim.

Then what did you mean you weren't gut reading him as scum?

[Fluminator]

You guys did have a serial killer in your party.

[Fluminator]

So what do you think of Rylay Yos?

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Let's lynch cucumbers.
It's true we can use role stuff on him to nullify him from being harmful, but then what's the point? That's a lot of resources going that way to keep it in check too that could be better used elsewhere, and I'm not sure if it's worth the gain of a stumper.

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Zulfy, I remember you were similar to a VT? Would it affect you if Sky tested her hate thing on you?

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Let's lynch cucumbers.
It's true we can use role stuff on him to nullify him from being harmful, but then what's the point? That's a lot of resources going that way to keep it in check too that could be better used elsewhere, and I'm not sure if it's worth the gain of a stumper.

is your vote on them?

No, I want the hammer.

[Fluminator]

And if we're going to lynch them eventually, we're much better off if we do it now, before they murder any more townies

While I get where your mindset is coming from in the now rather than later, why don't you just want to leave them alive and control their stump? I think we can get a bit of utility out of this, or at least we can look in other directions for now while we mull it over.

Maybe if town was in worse shape I'd want to try to risk it, but I don't think it's worth the resources.

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Would you stump Skybird?

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Hmmm. Can you list all your powers and passives one more time? sorry

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@Pirates
What do you think of Klingon's Bit vote? Do you see scum motive in the way she decided to use it?

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It's like a mirror to Diamond's role right?
You're kill-proof, Diamond is lynch-proof.
You stump people (remove them without killing), Diamond killed people.
Diamond is ascetic. What's your counterpart?

[Fluminator]

And you have to take out everyone who potentially has a kill in their role? What would have happened if Sky got the day vig instead of Pip?

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And you have to take out everyone who potentially has a kill in their role? What would have happened if Sky got the day vig instead of Pip?

Not potentially. It's everyone who currently has access to a killing ability as a result of their role/faction. So, Sky would have been the one to shoot in that scenario. I'm not sure if Spifflops role would have counted against us, if he wasn't currently in his transformation. I KNOW Cooldogs role wouldn't have counted against us, if he had gained access to it.

-Cerb

What happens if scum are all lynched, but some of the townies have the "bound shot" technique? Do you lose?

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Wait, that's not a role or faction thing.

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So if neither Sky or Pip got access to the magic, you wouldn't have had to take them out? What if all the scum are killed the night Pip gets the day vig. Do you lose then?

[Fluminator]

Actually, could you just ask Varsoon all the specifics for killing Rogue and Red and such. Your win condition seems really confusing.

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And you have to take out everyone who potentially has a kill in their role? What would have happened if Sky got the day vig instead of Pip?

Not potentially. It's everyone who currently has access to a killing ability as a result of their role/faction. So, Sky would have been the one to shoot in that scenario.

I'm not sure if Spifflops role would have counted against us, if he wasn't currently in his transformation.

I KNOW Cooldogs role wouldn't have counted against us, if he had gained access to it.

-Cerb

I'd be surprised you didn't already ask Varsoon how Red would have fit into your win condition if you're not sure how it would have worked, since it's a pretty important thing to know how those types of roles would fit in. If I had the role your describing, I would have 100% asked right away when he flipped.
I'm going to be blunt, I don't believe you're being fully honest about your win condition.

[Fluminator]

I am sorry Fulminator. Forgive me?

~Titus

Lol? Of course, but why now?

[Fluminator]

Yes, Sky is still scum.
Busy studying for a midterm for tomorrow right now. I'd agree we should keep Cucumbers below L-2 for now.

[Fluminator]

If I'm wrong on a townread, it's probably her.

[Fluminator]

Ok, you convinced me cerb. Let's keep you alive a day. I think we should elect for you to tree stump someone.

Here's where I'm at right now.

STRONG TOWN:
Sensei
ABR
Drunken Scallywags

Town:
Drixx
Klingon

Slight Town:
Loki
Yosarian
Shiro

Null:
Zulfy
Goofball

Slight Scum:
ZZZX

Scum:
Skybird

I really want a sky flip so I can move on. I can see there being a scum that's done some sort of shenanigan to seem town (someone like Yos, Shiro, or ZZZX), but I think we should stick with the simple lynch of sky, and let night actions give us more to go off tomorrow.

[Fluminator]

I've written a ton of cases on her already.
I suppose I can compile them tomorrow. Want to go to bed right now though.

[Fluminator]

I guess not a ton of cases. But a bunch of reasons.

[Fluminator]

Do you guys still want me to compile reasons why sky is scum or are we good now?

Also, that is pretty awesome Loki. You're my hero!
There's really no point in not claiming my hammer then if I'm already publicly protected.
My active is a one shot bullet proof. But my passive is I gain it back everytime I use another soul power. So I'm essentially unkillable if I keep getting the hammer. And I even have another layer of protection. Mwahahaha. My role is awesome.

[Fluminator]

Sky is probably at L-3 because it was wgeurts that voted her. Not cool cucumbers.

[Fluminator]

@Flum - I second ABR's request.

Also, you should know that choosing that particular character from Babylon 5 is going to make me to read your posts as more negative and less neutral than I might otherwise.

Haha. I picked him because he can read people well.

[Fluminator]

Pedit: I'd like to hear the actual case against sky that ABR asked for, since this kinda happened while I was asleep. I'll be around to vote as necessary if wgeurts vote didn't count.

I'm on mobile right now with data, but you should iso me and search for sky in it. You'll see a consistent barrage of scummy sky posts across the whole game.

[Fluminator]

Why not Yos?

[Fluminator]

If you're not scum reading me, there's no reason not to. You freaked out when someone not scum reading you wasn't necessarily giving you the rings.

[Fluminator]

UNVOTE:
Yes, not giving me the hammer if the same as keeping away a new town utility. It's not about the bullet proof.

[Fluminator]

Read my claim again Yos.
And no ABR. There's no reason to not give me another one shot unless you believe I'm scum. I can claim it tomorrow.

[Fluminator]

Holy crap ABR. Think this through for a second.

[Fluminator]

I think ABR is just trying to bully and exert power because there's no reason to try to deny me the hammer if he isn't scum reading me.
I don't know what I did to him to make him be like this to me though.

[Fluminator]

I'm going to hammer ABR. You going to steal it?

[Fluminator]

Actually, I'm more curious if Yos will steal it.

[Fluminator]

Well, he was actually at L-2 when you did that because wgeurts vote doesn't count, so I actually knew hammering wouldn't do anything. I was curious if Yos would.

Flum I've been a main reason for why you're still alive past day 1 and thats a lot of responsibility. Vote Skybird.

Bull-shit. No you aren't.

[Fluminator]

Flum if you dont want to vote Skybird at this point after all the back and forth between the two of you then you are scum. If you are trying to gain abilities when a lot of people think you can be scum, then youre not focused on winning, just being selfish. Look big picture.

Actually, you're the first person to mention you think I'm scum in a long time outside of a third party and Sky. (And I'm genuinely surprised you're scum reading me at this point.)
I am looking big picture. I get another useful power. Maybe it's a cop, maybe it's a save, I dunno. It's exciting and I want it.
Big picture it's better giving me the hammer, because I can claim the powers right away. What's the worst that happens, I get a vig and kill an obv town?

[Fluminator]

Do you guys still want me to compile reasons why sky is scum or are we good now?

Also, that is pretty awesome Loki. You're my hero!
There's really no point in not claiming my hammer then if I'm already publicly protected.
My active is a one shot bullet proof. But my passive is I gain it back everytime I use another soul power. So I'm essentially unkillable if I keep getting the hammer. And I even have another layer of protection. Mwahahaha. My role is awesome.

[Fluminator]

I started with no powers. Only an apparent bodyguard.
If I got a vig it would be one shot so probably not something CC has to worry about.
I'll vote Sky without the hammer if more of my town reads don't want me to. I think you're just being paranoid.

[Fluminator]

Screw you ABR. I want to make it clear I am absolutely not doing this because of anything you said or any of your bully techniques. The ONLY reason I'm doing this is Drixx seems to agree. I'm done working with and listening to you for the rest of the game unless you have a damn good reason for your apparent scum read.
VOTE: Sky

[Fluminator]

Don't say thanks. It isn't for you.

[Fluminator]

I should have just hammered Cerb when he was at L-1.
This is stupid.

[Fluminator]

Because the paranoia on me is stupid and keeping me away from cool powers.

[Fluminator]

I don't even have Pip's topic to vent privately anymore.

[Fluminator]

Yeah, you do after you took away a potential Sensei/Pip/me neighborhood that would be op as heck.

[Fluminator]

Oh wow, so it's based on premises you don't even know are true.

[Fluminator]

Yeah, you do after you took away a potential Sensei/Pip/me neighborhood that would be op as heck.

If you're right on your strongest scum read, you won't be stumped. And Cerberus appears to be trying to give himself an excuse not to stump you by asking repeatedly for other people who are not here to tell him it's okay to stump you ... so even if your top scum read flips town you may escape being stumped.

I'm also confused about why people view being stumped so negatively. I would much prefer being stumped over being dead. I accomplish my best work when there is nothing that can silence me and I don't have to worry about it.

I don't care if I'm stumped. I'm apparently not trustworthy enough to have any powers anyway.

Yeah, you do after you took away a potential Sensei/Pip/me neighborhood that would be op as heck.

who are you talking to here

Cerb

[Fluminator]

It's true that Zulfy should be pissed at ABR and not Cerb.

[Fluminator]

Just shut up please.

[Fluminator]

I have a midterm in a few minutes. Why am I even here.

[Fluminator]

Too much fucking power in the hands of someone impulsive and incompetent, who couldn't even fucking bother reading through the entirety of the thread by his own admission before he acted.

How fucking hard is it to say actually talk ot peope?

How about fucking suggesting a course of action, or confirming the course that's alreadya been discussed repeatedly in the game, instead of just fucking dropping in and saying one thing and then disappearing when the situation was CLEARLY volatile and we were fucking waiting for him to show up.

-Cerb

pedit: WE DIDN'T HAMMER! FUCKING DRIXX HAMMERED! FLUMINATOR VOTED AT ABR'S URGING, THEN WE VOTED AT ABR'S URGING, AND THEN DRIXX HAMMERED!

I did not vote because of ABR's bullying. I almost refused to vote because of it. How did I not make this clear.

[Fluminator]

Basically ABR is being a douchenozzle, and he decided he wanted to exert power and tried to bully the town into quicklynching. I only voted because Drixx wanted me to. Just making this clear one more time in case more people missed it.

[Fluminator]

It's really not cerbs fault. He didn't even hammer.

[Fluminator]

I did not vote because of ABR's bullying. I almost refused to vote because of it. How did I not make this clear.

you shld have waited for zulfy

Yeah probably. Waiting for town to organize was the main reason I didn't hammer Cerb. I have a midterm really soon and I'm stressed and didn't think clearly this time. My bad.

[Fluminator]

Holy crap Drixx. ABR absolutely did not single handedly drive the three previous scum lynches. He's just claiming he did because he has an ego problem.

[Fluminator]

For the record, Yosarian might actually be scum.

[Fluminator]

I'm curious if any of Zulfy's actions will take place. Technically it's still the day until nightfall, so it's possible that everything but the gladiate and votes might work. I suppose that's up to how Varsoon views things.

@Flum - A bit of hyperbole on my part. ABR was a huge factor in those lynches, and I don't see anyone I could give even equal credit to for catching Gale, let alone more. I actually thought Gale was probably town until I saw the flip.

While we're in twilight ... care to explain why you were pushing Skybird as the most scummy and in need of lynch, but then tried to distance yourself from it once it became clear it was going to go through?

What? You mean the part where literally yesterday I say I really want Sjy lynched?

[Fluminator]

I've cooled off. I'm calm again. Thanks for the wishes.
@Drixx, I'm not going to quickhammer. If I really was trying to protect Sky I would have quickhammer Cerb before she got more heat.
I also thought he was still at L-2 anyway.

I had a problem voting her because I wanted the hammer. Which is still voting her.

[Fluminator]

Wow. Is Zulfy even for real?

[Fluminator]

How was ABR not voting sky. *sigh*

[Fluminator]

You got really lucky sky.

[Fluminator]

VOTE: No Lynch
As bad as that move was, he's still basically confirmed town unless Shiro is scum. He's probably out of powers now.

[Fluminator]

Why didn't you use some of them yesterday then.

[Fluminator]

Dream súper combo is one shot btw

[Fluminator]

I don't even care anymore. I'm not trusting Drixx's judgement right now though.
I'll sheep DP or Sensei's call on this one. My opinion doesn't matter anyway.

[Fluminator]

I didn't know how this role worked until today
Pedit: all others are one-shot per day.

You don't have anymore dream combos?

[Fluminator]

What was it you were wanting to do before the hammer again Zulfy?

[Fluminator]

Sorry, my brain is shot right now. We were waiting for you to do a double lynch?

[Fluminator]

Almost nibbed the page top.

[Fluminator]

How'd the test go Flum?

I didn't do too well but not awful. All my classmates struggled with it too . Hopefully the prof marks easy. Thanks.

[Fluminator]

Oh boy. Sensei's new avatar has swag.
I'm going to bed. You'll probably still be alive Cerb tomorrow. Only a town vig would kill you which if it exists you lose anyway.

[Fluminator]

I don't even care anymore. I'm not trusting Drixx's judgement right now though.
I'll sheep DP or Sensei's call on this one. My opinion doesn't matter anyway.

You're only mad because I pointed out the contradiction. You listed Skybird as absolutely scum in your most recent reads. There's several people who agree one of you or her must be scum, ergo the plan to have TCC stump you if she flipped town seemed quite reasonable, especially because she was getting the crappier end of the deal.

I'm mad in the context of the game. I trusted you there was a good reason for the suspicion, and it ended up being that I was distancing from the lynch? Despite pushing for it all the way to the end? Maybe if you show what time period I distanced from it I'll understand you're thought process.

[Fluminator]

What? You mean the part where I didn't quickhammer (on L-2 no less) means I got cold feet? What the actual crap? That had zero to do with being stumped if I was wrong. Didn't he say that after I voted anyway?
If I was the type to quickhammer I would have quickhammered Cerb. That was figuratively painful to read.

[Fluminator]

It was definitely after the point where I didn't quickhammer like Drixx apparently wanted me to do, because ABR didn't mention his scum read of me yet so he didn't say I should be stumped yet.

[Fluminator]

I don't remember exactly. I was too busy arguing for the hammer to notice. Which is apparently distancing and getting cold feet.

[Fluminator]

I was beginning to suspect Yos and I was curious if he would try to steal my potential power away. And for the last time, he was at L-2.
I'm done with this conversation.

[Fluminator]

How do you still think this is about the stump thing. I'm done talking to you until you read my posts.
You can call it griping but I was just responding to your post saying I was angry at you for basically no good reason.

[Fluminator]

Time to no lynch. There's nothing left to do today.

[Fluminator]

So Shiro targeted DGB on the first night and got hated?
Did she get a message it failed or not if DGB is ascetic?

[Fluminator]

How about Sky targets DBG tonight then?

[Fluminator]

I'm honestly not sure if I'm fully understanding you right now cerb. I don't see much evidence to suggest she's a reflexive hater. It's much simpler if Shiro was just visited by a hater the first night, isn't it?

[Fluminator]

Hey Cerb, before the day ends, what's your current read on Drixx?
How closely does he read the game as town and as scum?

[Fluminator]

I think ZZZX vs. DGB is a red herring and it's lazy town vs. lazy town.
Scum team is Sky and either Yos, Drixx, or Shiro. I've been assuming those three as town for too long, but in hindsight they all look more suspicious then I remember.

[Fluminator]

My role pm mentions nothing of Rose.
Orlouge is only mentioned as flavour that I inherited his power.

[Fluminator]

Nope.

[Fluminator]

And Orlogue is the antagonist of my campaign.

[Fluminator]

Hey Cerb, before the day ends, what's your current read on Drixx?
How closely does he read the game as town and as scum?

Can you answer this now after Drixx so rudely interrupted.
Also, I told you you'd probably be fine.

[Fluminator]

Sky, you did it on the claimed astetic? Does that even work?

[Fluminator]

I must be missing something because I have no idea where the DGB suspicion came from.
I'm more confused that Sky claimed to make DGB permanently hated when she said her role is the same as Pip's and got Varsoon to clear it up.

I've actually been informed that my hate is not permanent. I misunderstood what the mod said when I asked about it.

[Fluminator]

Ooooohhhh. That's what sky meant.

[Fluminator]

Yeah, it makes more sense now. Both Zzzx and Shiro targeted her and got hated.

[Fluminator]

Also, good catch with the fire. That makes sense it spreads that way.
Who did you target when you got the fire Cerb?

[Fluminator]

I love how Sensei obviously doesn't read things very carefully too.

Pot calling kettle black.

Does anyone object to us killing Shiro tonight to do what ZZZX would have?

Yes. We should get the obvious scum first. We can worry about this conftown thing later. There's probably 2 scum left, and the only way I see sensei or zulfy as scum is if Shiro is scum which would make up two right there. If we're later in the game and we still have two scum left, then we should maybe worry about it.

I dunno drixx. Part of me thinks your reaction was okay. Because I did kinda not really stay engaged with the party chat.
My thought process was to give some other weaker townreads the chance to adventure, though. And try and solidify my reads on them via a neighborhood environment. Because it's easier to read people with two lines of communication. Zulfy has been giving me townvibes, plus the fact that everyone pushing him is because of an anti-town play. Which is just that, antitown. Basically gut.

I didn't think zzzx would die because he still felt lynchable and I don't know why scum keep leaving abr alive. Things that I need to think on.

Part of it though is that I was skeeved at your calling one of sky/flum scum, thing. I dunno - in the off chance sky is town and think that push is pretty bad.
And when it comes to the thread you've been far less engaged than I have let's be honest.

I think the Skybird OR Flum dichotomy is probably false. I didn't like how Flum went from super sure that Skybird was scum to appearing to have cold feet. Regardless of how yesterday payed out, Flum

could have

hammered Skybird and didn't. That looked a lot to me like someone who wanted someone else to do it. Skybird's reactions to what went on yesterday gave me flashbacks to SMITE. I'm the first person who says that what happened in a prior game cannot possibly have any bearing on what alignment someone got assigned in the current game ... but there is some psychological value to how people react to certain stressors, and Skybird either learned how to fake it or she's town.

ZZZX was going to try and confirm Shiro/Sensei(you)/Zulfy all at once, one way or the other, last night. He's the most obvious and logical kill choice scum have made all game. I'm not at all surprised. I've got a theory about ABR being left alive. I'll keep it to myself for the moment because it needs thinking about.

As for engagement: It doesn't matter if you post a lot but your posts make it clear you haven't read and understood what other people have posted. Likewise, it's a problem if you read and take notes on everything, but never do anything with it. Perhaps we can each borrow something from one another and both get better.

Also where am I putting you down or emotionally manipulating you? Like what?

Post #8484

Someone who's upset at Sensei for apparently not reading posts, this looks really hypocritical.
For the final time (and you can keep ignoring it) she was at L-2. Varsoon even said that "even if I counted the vote wgeurts made it still wouldn't be enough" meaning he didn't count it either way.
You're claim that I got cold feet is absolute garbage and your desperation to press that is making you look really bad.
Not only that but your order of events are wrong and at first I thought it was a mistake but even after clearing it up you're still pushing it makes me think you're intentionally being manipulative. This apparent "stump Flum if he's wrong" didn't even come out until after I didn't quickhammer so saying that made me get cold feet is factually wrong. Why you're ignoring this I don't know.
And you still have made no posts where I got cold feet outside my apparent refusal to quickhammer.
I'm done engaging with you until you get some honesty or read posts.

I'm not sure why skybird decided to roleblock DGB, though. Now that you mention it because there was better people to block that we told her to. So it does kinda smell like a last minute gambit type thing to try and buy sky some townpoints. But meh.

At the end of the day, I told her if she's town, she should use her own judgement on who to block, because that's the only way she has a shot of stopping the scum kill.

And she chose to block someone who both looks scummy and who has implied she doesn't have any night actions to screw up, which makes perfect sense.

Why do you keep defending Sky? Other than that weak role related reason you had, do you have anything else?

Actually, I lied. If ABR is going to be lame, it should go to Drixx, honestly. He's basically the only slot who I am absolutely positively certain is town.

-Cerb

pedit: mollie, nobody is suggesting that we lynch you. It would be idiotic to lynch you before your IC claim can be tested. Drixx is just thinking out loud since he no longer has a place to store his thoughts at that will ensure he is heard even in the event he dies.

peditx2: Hmm. I hope you're right Sensei.

I would probably vote Zulfy as MC before Drixx at this point.

Do you think we should tell TCC to stump Flum? Since he is the only one who can bypass Lowkey's bodyguard.

Actually Varsoon said a stump would redirect too. I forget where.

[Fluminator]

Because if lowkey is real then being a BG for scum makes no sense.

This is textbook outguessing the mod, isn't it? Didn't you say we shouldn't do that?

Flum: Drixx is being dumb and conflating the two events. Trust me. There is no scum motivation in what he's doing, he's simply confused one reason why you didn't vote for another. The L-1 time he's talking about is when he double voted, because with his double vote+wgeurts vote being counted(which we don't actually know if that would hvae happened) sky would have been at L-1, and you could have hammered. He's not wrong about you having the opportunity, but he is confusing the timing of the conversations that occurred.

-Cerb

It could be he's just actually confused, but yesterday when I pointed it out he still went to push it and didn't read what I said. (And responded by saying I wanted to hammer ABR or something?) If he was town I would expect him to actually read stuff. And today his reads have basically flipped on Sensei, then brought up something about ABR being scum, and now throwing shade on DP? Does he do this as town?

[Fluminator]

I object. Please check your PMs.

I've scoured the thread.
I've checked votecounts since the start of the day.
I checked votecounts since my most recent one.
Even if Wgeurt's out-of-hydra vote was counted, you never hammered Skybird.

Wgeurts didn't count and I also pointed this out to Drixx which he ignored too.
I'm seriously thinking Sky/Drixx team right now.

[Fluminator]

@Lowkey
Do you take the hit away from me always, or only if I would die by the hit?

[Fluminator]

The only question I have for you right now is this: When you thought you could hammer and gain a power, why did you wait and not do so? You said you thought ABR or Sensei might take the hammer. What was the point of that? What test were you performing? What outcomes did you predict? Which outcomes would be town and which would be scum?

I have already answered these questions Drixx. One last time but I'm getting sick of repeating myself.
I knew he was at L-2. I said this right after you claimed it was a reaction test.

Reaction tests are freaking awesome.

Unvote

<--- and now scum get to wonder, which makes the whole thing even sweeter.

I LOVE THIS GAME!

So, if I were at null, how much town cred would I have got for that response?

How about fluminator?

-Cerb

Your claim leaves you only one avenue to try and survive, and that is to appear as docile as possible and as willing to cooperate with any conditions town sets on you. Given that you were obviously not going to be lynched; however, your insistence that you be firmly blocked and that various other things be shown to be true, beyond just your willingness to meet any restriction ... you gain town points.

Flum could have taken a party member putting the chosen lynch at L-1 as confirmation we were ready to move forward and hammered with only slight risk to himself, so him withholding the hammer and trying to get a feel for what other people were thinking is very very slight town points... mostly because opportunistic hammers are viewed so negatively in the current site meta.

Well, he was actually at L-2 when you did that because wgeurts vote doesn't count, so I actually knew hammering wouldn't do anything. I was curious if Yos would.

I was curious to see if Yos would go for the steal. If he did that would have been massive scum points.

I was beginning to suspect Yos and I was curious if he would try to steal my potential power away. And for the last time, he was at L-2.
I'm done with this conversation.

And finally. I'm not the type to quickhammer. I've said this multiple times too. If I was the type who was going to end the day early to get power, I would have quickhammered cerb when they were at L-1.

[Fluminator]

I'm going to take my own advice and watch some Babylon 5 and enjoy a quiet night with my wife and a very good friend. I hope you all had a wonderful day yesterday (if you celebrate Valentines) and that you will consider my thoughts seriously and understand that I offer them in a spirit of genuine goodwill.

Have fun.

[Fluminator]

Just want to clarify bud, but lowkey gets stumped in replace of me apparently.

[Fluminator]

Oh, ok.

[Fluminator]

[
Why do you keep defending Sky? Other than that weak role related reason you had, do you have anything else?

I was about to lynch sky yesterday, and then when the mod locked the thread, my only thought was "shit shit she's going to flip town I shouldn't have let ABR talk me into this shit shit" and then the mod unlocked the thread and she wasn't dead after all.

I donno. She could be scum, I guess, but I don't really feel like she is.

What do you think right now, Flum?

Actually, I lied. If ABR is going to be lame, it should go to Drixx, honestly. He's basically the only slot who I am absolutely positively certain is town.

-Cerb

pedit: mollie, nobody is suggesting that we lynch you. It would be idiotic to lynch you before your IC claim can be tested. Drixx is just thinking out loud since he no longer has a place to store his thoughts at that will ensure he is heard even in the event he dies.

peditx2: Hmm. I hope you're right Sensei.

I would probably vote Zulfy as MC before Drixx at this point.

Do you think we should tell TCC to stump Flum? Since he is the only one who can bypass Lowkey's bodyguard.

Actually Varsoon said a stump would redirect too. I forget where.

@Cerb - No ... I don't think it's a matter of a misquote. He clearly says he views Zulfy as more town than me (implicitly).[/quote]
I said that. Further evidence you aren't reading my posts. Yos even said it was a quote slip in the next post.
(Also, I still think sky is scum yos. Seems convenient she targeted the claimed ascetic.)

[Fluminator]

@Lowkey
Do you take the hit away from me always, or only if I would die by the hit?

What?

Nevermind. Was thinking we could test if you were a guard, but there's not much point.
Also don't worry. I'm town (and I also probably have the potential to be the strongest town role here) so your role is useful.

[Fluminator]

@Flum - Please stop with the "You're not reading the thread" stuff. Like I'm sure most players do, I do a lot of speed reading when the pace is fast (we're fast approaching 9k posts and we're on day 4), and I stop and read deliberately when I'm checking something. I simply looked at the quoted post and it looked very much like Yosarian said it (just look at me quoting him and it looks like that even). Since I looked closely at that post, it looked very much like Yosarian saying that.

Question still stands mate. I looked at your ISO and it does appear that you suddenly swapped how you viewed me once I endorsed ABR's plan. From my POV it looks like OMGUS, which is why I'm asking you. I want to know both what makes you think Zulfy is town and what took you from town reading me to being unsure.

It's more when you're engaging with someone and don't ever read the other person's posts during the engagement that I find a little more suspicious. Like you literally asked me the same questions you did yesterday which shows you didn't even read my answers from yesterday. I'll engage with you later or when I feel you're being more honest. There's more scummy fish to fry right now though.

[Fluminator]

Also, I don't see Zulfy being scum if Shiro isn't.

[Fluminator]

Goofball, where did you go? Are you a hated reflexer?

[Fluminator]

Also; there's strong reasons to be suspicious of DGB, whereas the case on Skybird is somewhat less convincing after her reaction in the latter part of yesTerday.

I really don't see any of that as an excuse to be townreading her. Again, most of the reasons I'm seeing for DGB getting popular right now are the hated/fire thing.

Look at how she responded when she thought she was being lynched. I've found that very few people can fake that kind of post, and it's spot on exactly how she played when I was basically using her as my ticket into the last day in SMITE. As I said before ... it's possible that she has changed ... meta is not something that one should rely on to decide alignment (not by itself at least) and I'm the first one to note that what happened in a past game cannot have any impact on what alignment someone was assigned in a current game.

But still ... I know a lot of people put stock in that kind of thing, and if you do, go look. It's pretty convincing.

Although I will request, which post specifically?

[Fluminator]

@Drixx

We know that if those flavour names exist they are aligned with the protagonistl. So for example we know for certain that they weren't given as fake claims. We however don't know if they actually exist at all. So scum could make their own fake claims after we claimed.

@CC I object >.>

Hmmm. That's actually a possibility I guess. Does liza using fists make sense?

[Fluminator]

My memory was in error. During the entire time in which it seemed that Skybird had been hammered, she said nothing. She immediately showed up and re-engaged once the gladiate was announced. I need to read through it and re-think things, but just reading her first few posts after the Gladiate was announced, it looks like a performance. My memory for some reason made me think she made those posts when she thought she was already lynched, but actually she made them when she knew there was no way she could possibly be lynched because the Gladiate had been initiated. That makes it look like an attempt to plant the idea of frustrated townie in twilight in people's minds.

Until you asked me which posts, I was trusting my memory. I'm glad you asked. I now lack any strong reason to town read Skybird. What was the case against her again Flum?

I've been thinking on that trying to decide if his wagon isn't going because it's on scum or if I'm just flat out wrong. It's pretty obvious that I am the only one seeing the hammer thing the way I am.

Maybe I'm tunneling at this point, but even this post looks fake. I still have a sizable wagon so her thinking aloud that maybe it's just her makes no sense.

Also, claiming I want the hammers for powers is literally no different to Yos asking for rings for powers.

I really don't care Flum. You are scum reading me because I'm scum reading you. I see very little effort on your part to really figure out my alignment.

1. Out of all my reasons I've given for thinking you're scum, you only ever responded to one point. (The one about not knowing my name) Literally everything else you ignore or respond by saying "omgus!" or "you are stupid!"
2. You just said you agreed with what most of cooldog has been saying and he has been one of my most vocal defenders. Wha?
3. You seemed to assume mystics are the bad guys? I finally did some checking into the flavour and there doesn't seem any reason to assume mystics are bad unless you are a mystic who is bad.

(Also, it seems like I'm a main character too. lol)

Cooldog wagon was terrible. Something I caught last night.

I like CoolDog's posts and thought process. I find myself nodding in agreement to much of what he says. Right now He's my most solid town read.

Not sure I like ABR's claim to be a powerful town role. I mean this is like a role madness game and everyone most likely has a powerful role. Throw in the campaigning for MC votes including promising several of us that we'd be in his party if we gave him our vote and it just feels weird.

Skybird who's scum?

After reading through the last 15 pages are so, I think Itlepip could be scum, DS could be scum, Gale could be scum.

I'm null on CoolDog but I trust DP so I'm going to vote there.

VOTE: Cooldog

skybird I want sensai as town!

plz vote him for MC.

and a vote kewldog wld be awsum.

Gotcha covered.

Skybird hopped from wagon to wagon yesterday.

Lol. It took a lot of self control for me to keep that knowledge in.

You're not a talkative one, are you.

I started reading TCC iso, and there is just so little content in so many posts it's hurting my eyes.
I'm think TCC and Skybird are our best bets for scum, followed by ZZZX, and outside shots on Zulfy, Goofball, and Klingon in that order.

Gale handled Sky jumping on his wagon much much differently than Yos, Loki, and I jumping on his wagon. He reacted in a very omgus and worried manner when we jumped on and called us all scum. When Skybird jumped on, he reacted:

Pedit 2: Lol Flum, has your read changed on Skybird now?

Reading through GWS' posts the past 3 pages or so, he doesn't look good. The posts feel off to me, as in not how I would expect town to react. I can support that wagon.

VOTE: GWS

Sky, what is the feeling exactly? Can you elaborate?

Also, Sky's vote seems opportunistic to me. What do you think Flum?

It almost felt like he was taunting me that with that one knowing I was scum reading them both. He seemed less interested in Sky's actual vote for him, and more for my reaction.^
And that was basically it.
After that, the wagon just took off on him and he didn't have time to react to all the votes.

Cool Cucumbers vote initially felt like a "screw it, he's going down anyway" vote. But rereading it, voting then when he knew I would hammer and get a power throws me off a little. Albert was still a possible lynch, especially if they pushed for a double lynch, and I would have expected scum them to get a double lynch in. I need to finish re-reading them.

VOTE: Skybird
So many things keep adding up on her and I still have yet to see a town tell. For anyone who doesn't want her lynched, give me a post that come across as townie from her please.

I could be convinced to vote for Cucumbers.

I too thought Gale was scum until I actually started rereading his posts, Yos

wasn't*

You're caught, stop trying to act like I'm posting BS about you when you're attacking my credibility. If it's not clear, yeah, the idea or notion that we're a scum group is absolutely fucking absurd.

Are you stupid? I thought you guys were skilled players. This is just bs.

Anyways, post some reasoning on why you think ABR's plays make sense. And then we will talk.

Attacking the player and not the player's reasoning.

I've been thinking on that trying to decide if his wagon isn't going because it's on scum or if I'm just flat out wrong. It's pretty obvious that I am the only one seeing the hammer thing the way I am.

Maybe I'm tunneling at this point, but even this post looks fake. I still have a sizable wagon so her thinking aloud that maybe it's just her makes no sense.

Also, claiming I want the hammers for powers is literally no different to Yos asking for rings for powers.

You are really stupid. Are you trying to piss me off and make leave my vote on you?

Here are a few.

[Fluminator]

Hey uh, Flum, how's about you uh, vote yes on a babel crumble on Skybird, yea?

Ehh, not yet. The day is young.

[Fluminator]

Maybe we should just double lynch them. I want to get the (probably) final scum narrowed down faster.
(oops. posted this in a speakeasy thread originally by accident somehow?)

[Fluminator]

"Why are you complimenting me? What's going on?"

-Red,

Aboard the Cygnus

UNOFFICIAL VOTECOUNT

DrippingGoofball (5):

Shiro, Skybird, Yosarian2, The Cool Cucumbers, Drunken Pirates

Skybird (3):

Albert B. Rampage, Lowkey, Zulfy (+claimed hated)

Albert B. Rampage (1):

FIRE

Yosarian2 (1):

FIRE (+claimed hated)

Zulfy (1):

FIRE

The Cool Cucumbers (1):

FIRE

Shiro (0):

(+claimed hated)

Not Voting (5):

Klingoncelt, Drixx, DrippingGoofball, Fluminator, Sensei

With 13 Alive, it takes 7 to Lynch.
Deadline

: (expired on 2016-02-29 07:50:00)

The Main Character is

Sensei

The Party is

Klingoncelt, Zulfy, and Fluminator.

Spoiler: MC VC

Albert B. Rampage (3):

Drixx, The Cool Cucumbers, Sensei

Yosarian2 (1):

Yosarian2

[Fluminator]

VOTE: Skybird
Someone else vote Sky and then Sensei can double lynch it. I'm not sure if DGB is scum, but I think she needs to be flipped regardless because she's a distraction.

[Fluminator]

Are you super sure on that VC?

I only skimmed it once. You should probably double check.

[Fluminator]

I also support the notion of a Titus VCA. I think the final scum is pretty well hidden in terms of how they appear and probably look quite townie. VCA might be useful to find them.

[Fluminator]

Are you against the double lynch in general, or do you just not want it right away?

[Fluminator]

I, umm, just had a thought with regards to the itlepip/skybird thing.

I know people were thinking it didn't make sense for there to be two town slots that want to kill one another, but...what if we're all looking at it wrong? What if the thought wasn't that the two slots would want to kill one another, but that that interaction would serve as insurance for town, in the event of a mislynch? A way for town to retain those powers, even if they lynched that slot?

-Cerb

pedit: KC, Skybird is L-3+hated according to her, so she's actually L-2.

Make a town case on her then. I'm all ears.

[Fluminator]

Yea we're good to go. We need to flip both of them so why not?
This day has devolved into another pissing contest with a dash of rolespec.
It's over.

I agree on a double lynch today.

@mollie: re: advanced organic chemistry II- I'm taking that right now actually and tbqh, I think this game is harder to follow than that class lol...

Lol. Have fun with that class.