SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Drunken Pirates]

Wait. You have ALL the fist techniques already?

I told he was not just vt

[Drunken Pirates]

and the things I think are naturally not a crumb of Liza but they can't be coming from another character

it was more in day 2 but there were signs from the start of his ISO.

~Rylai

can you find them for me?

[Drunken Pirates]

I wld rather lynch dgb than cuke pple

[Drunken Pirates]

both are likely scum

I think we can make a double lynch on them

~Rylai

I was wondering if the other was zzthing tbh and they have been doing this weak xbussing this whole time. I am not sure tho but it is a read I am revisiting.

[Drunken Pirates]

also I think you are allowing your dislike of cerby to colour your read on them.

I think gogurts is town, cerby is throwing me off but they have taken stances and have tried to sort the game which is more than either dgb or zzthing has done.

[Drunken Pirates]

I did read it. and I think you are wrong.

they have taken stances all game, pretty sure they never attacked me gogurts wld never allow it.

and the things that you listed as scumtells are not actually scumtells.

rylai their whole iso is speckled with them and I am getting the impression that even if I did point the many posts you wld only try to argue with me. the are not in my strong town pile not by a long shot I just think are better lynch options out there at this time. I am won't be voting them any time soon.

I really think this is scum dgb we are seeing here.

[Drunken Pirates]

prodded. noted.

I'll reread. I told hindu I'd catch up if we were still alive today. I guess that means I'm on the hook.

~Lowell

ps- before I read through, if anyone has any specific questions you want me to weigh in on that would be helpful.

iso dgb plz. it will take all of 30 seconds mebbe less.

[Drunken Pirates]

Am I the only player voting scum?

not now

VOTE: dgb

[Drunken Pirates]

Yeah, ABR just totally went off the deep end for absolutely no logical reason in the adventure chat, as I think everyone else in chat can attest to.

so what happened?

[Drunken Pirates]

Zulfy + Yosarian + Skybird are the scum.

Lowkey, DP, and TCC, I have a simple question for you. If you answer correctly, I reached a hasty conclusion. If you answer incorrectly, it will justify what I think is a slip.

What do you think Sensei's abilities are?

I don't give a crap, at all, about flavor. Not sure how this game turned out to be a game only about flavor, but it bores me. So I have no idea about sensei's abilities.

Although I've been saying yos was scum since forever. He's laying low and avoiding heat. hindu will come around on this.

~Lowell

okay the only hint of a reference is 1462. and if you had yoyo as scum then why have you not pursued it?

also can you answer my question plz?

[Drunken Pirates]

hybrid = hydra... but enough about me....

I encourage you to talk about you since you have largely been a non-presence in this game.

what is your favourite city?

what is your favourite colour?

where were you when we were pushing yoyo?

what is your favourite food?

[Drunken Pirates]

Yeah, ABR just totally went off the deep end for absolutely no logical reason in the adventure chat, as I think everyone else in chat can attest to.

You realize that Sensei suddenly claimed that you knew his role without him ever saying what abilities he had, right?

can you plz tell us what happened?

[Drunken Pirates]

I am confused. abr in 7033 you said yoyo was scum. now you say he is conftown? huh?

[Drunken Pirates]

yeah that doesn't really answer our question tho.

I am asking as to what happened to your supposed scumread on yoyo and how it progressed into a townread in only a page and a half.

[Drunken Pirates]

That's not

exactly

how it went down but yea, further discussion of this is worthless.
ABR and Yos are probably town and I was able to make my read on at least yos more confident.

I also didn't foresee this leaking into the thread either..

the thread is absolutely where it needs to take place. otherwise you leave a chunk of the playerlist out and no1 can decide for themselves on what is going on.

it is hard to tell if abr is scum flipping out cos he realized that there are 4 confirmed town and 1 confirmable IC in a very short time and knew how fucked he was or if y'all are doing strange sacrilegious acts that involve flying sharks.

I am sticking with my reads for now until I am given a reason to do so otherwise. but it is kinda shaky.

[Drunken Pirates]

why is the person who hates me the 1 who I am most in sync with what did I do to deserve this life is so unfair

[Drunken Pirates]

did you guys ask varsoona if you cld post from the hood?

I had no idea this was an option.

[Drunken Pirates]

@ yoyo

who do you think is scum? cos I see you clearing a lot of town but I am not seeing where you are narrowing down your choices into a scum pool. but mebbe I missed it.

[Drunken Pirates]

@ yoyo

who do you think is scum? cos I see you clearing a lot of town but I am not seeing where you are narrowing down your choices into a scum pool. but mebbe I missed it.

Probably leaning towards votign either Klingon or CC right now

But yeah, that's mostly based on process of elimination right now.

walk me through the cuke pple read plz?

[Drunken Pirates]

lol, idc anymore so sure

VOTE: cucumbers

no1 listens to me anyways

[Drunken Pirates]

Can we slow this roll just a little bit? Cerberus has been legitimately super busy (I've barely spoken to him in the last week which is way out of the ordinary).

I want to see his evaluation of things. From that, I will feel quite comfortable in evaluating and telling you guys whether he's town or scum. We know each other that well and we both approach the game very similarly. I'd prefer not to just lynch him out of hand because he hasn't engaged yet. I've had busy times before and been lynched because of them, and that always sucks.

This is not a defense at all of the slot. I already pointed out some reasons I suspect the slot may be scum but they don't make me 100% sure. I want to actually see him evaluate the game and have the chance to give my response toit. If his analysis of the game strikes me as coming from town!Cerb and you guys want to lynch him anyway, we will at least have the benefit of having his thoughts on the game, which I think everyone will agree will help regardless of his alignment.

okay

but I expect support unlike I have received all game.

cerby if you are town and wise stfu

if not keep posting

[Drunken Pirates]

TCC you should claim because I think they want to lynch you today.

how about you claim whom you have protected?

I am sick to death of you rolefishing every1 while lying like a mofo I mean if you are a doc this shld not be hard to do.

[Drunken Pirates]

can I be lynched instead?

[Drunken Pirates]

it needs to happen now while it can still happen.

[Drunken Pirates]

TCC you should claim because I think they want to lynch you today.

how about you claim whom you have protected?

I am sick to death of you rolefishing every1 while lying like a mofo I mean if you are a doc this shld not be hard to do.

[Drunken Pirates]

cerby idc

I really don't.

I have decided I hate the mod confirmed role. not 1 person will listen to you and if you try to scumhunt pple go into a paralysis state of passive aggression.

you make your slot look scummy and I have been saying this since forever. I am unsure on you.

I guess idc.

[Drunken Pirates]

I really think it would be wise to back off and give Cerberus some time. I would like people to unvote simply so nobody silences him and claims they didn't realize. We have a good amount of time and he shouldn't feel like he has to compromise his real life to dump hours into the game today, or else. That's just asinine, even if he rolled scum. Nobody deserves to be pushed like that, regardless of alignment, when the day phases are so long.

This is mostly an OOC post. This is the person behind the keyboard saying that not one of us would want to be put in a position of having to set aside our Real Life plans (especially on Super Bowl Sunday) or else get lynched. It's one thing if we're close to the deadline, but this isn't that.

A little empathy and compassion for one another would go a long way toward making things so much more pleasant.

I'll get down off my soap box now.

I can be down with that. if you guys can bring the game back to the game thread where it belongs that wld be great.

this shit did not happen when we were in the hood. at least I don't think so.

UNVOTE:

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE: dgbVOTE:

[Drunken Pirates]

ffs

VOTE: dgb

[Drunken Pirates]

i cant

if you do it I promise to follow

[Drunken Pirates]

oh you did

VOTE: cucumbers

[Drunken Pirates]

Like, seriously man. How do you not understand that? It's what I spelled out? You're voting me because you don't believe me, which is bullshit. Voting me because you think 3p should die is fine, whatever. But doing it because you don't believe my claim is bs.

-Cerb

pedit: Ooh good question. I can ask Varsoon? I assumed we had to be alive at end game,

but our win con literally says "We win when all killing roles have been removed from the game.

"

how exactly does it match with this?

Oh, yeah, there are probably only 4 scum total, cause SK wants to kill everyone, and we actively wanted to ensure the death of 3 town slots, who are all dead now.

cos they read like a contradiction to me!

[Drunken Pirates]

Like, seriously man. How do you not understand that? It's what I spelled out? You're voting me because you don't believe me, which is bullshit. Voting me because you think 3p should die is fine, whatever. But doing it because you don't believe my claim is bs.

-Cerb

pedit: Ooh good question. I can ask Varsoon? I assumed we had to be alive at end game,

but our win con literally says "We win when all killing roles have been removed from the game.

"

how exactly does it match with this?

Oh, yeah, there are probably only 4 scum total, cause SK wants to kill everyone, and we actively wanted to ensure the death of 3 town slots, who are all dead now.

cos they read like a contradiction to me!

[Drunken Pirates]

goddammit I am not fixing it.

abr is right.

[Drunken Pirates]

Fine. We don't need to stump anybody? Lol. It's not compulsive.

-Cerb

then why stump itelpip?

[Drunken Pirates]

I know there are people who want you to tree stump DP. So there's also that to take into consideration. There is also the possibility of tree stumping Rylai so that we know if Zulfy and Sensei are really confirmed town or not. There are too many risks. I'm not sure it's a good idea to give you free reign to ruin the game if you choose to, if you're telling the truth about your role.

hey abr go back to voting cerby cos otherwise it looks like you are trying to get them to stump rylai and us!

[Drunken Pirates]

KC: I'll ask you like I've asked everyone else: Do you not believe that we are legitimately third fucking party, or are you just policy lynching us because we're 3p?

oh, ABR: If Varsoon tells me that we can't win with town if we get lynched before end game, then that's something I may have left out, but it's not something I know right now. I need to get an answer from him.

-Cerb

pedit: Stumping R&L was our current plan for the night, after Zulfy's claim. It was actually our plan on N1, before they claimed the names. I figured we could stump them, and then they could hold the names in reserve to conftown the appropriate people whne the time came, instead of giving scum the opportunity to use them as fake claims, in the event they weren't scum.

pedit x2: Varsoon said he just thought we could just claim Lord Orlouge. I looked up flavor and was like mmmm that's like the main villain of the game I don't want to get autolynched for claiming to be the main villain of the game pleaes give me a fake claim.

pedit x3:

BECAUSE OUR WIN CON IS REMOVE ALL KILLING ROLES AND HE HAD A KILLING ROLE.

Regardless of whether he was scum or not, we HAD to remove him. At this point, I find it unlikely that there are any more killing roles, but ya know what, there may be? And ya know what else, if you don't tell us to stump them, we won't, because then we get auto lynched and potentially lose depending on what varsoon has to say.

then why wld you stump us? we don't have a killing role.

[Drunken Pirates]

I know there are people who want you to tree stump DP. So there's also that to take into consideration. There is also the possibility of tree stumping Rylai so that we know if Zulfy and Sensei are really confirmed town or not. There are too many risks. I'm not sure it's a good idea to give you free reign to ruin the game if you choose to, if you're telling the truth about your role.

hey abr go back to voting cerby cos otherwise it looks like you are trying to get them to stump rylai and us!

It would look better for you if you unvoted us too, actually. Because it looks like you're just trying to force through our lynch so you don't need to worry about getting stumped.

-Cerb

lol, I am not worried.

[Drunken Pirates]

Leash them for now, ABR. Help us choose a Stump target.

^this still needs death

agreed

[Drunken Pirates]

@mod: is immunity to killing actions the same as bulletproof?

lol

[Drunken Pirates]

Well, at least your lynch is off the table for today.

Which brings us to the question: Who is the lynch du jour?

HELL THE FUCK NO

WE ARE LYNCHING THIS SHIT

[Drunken Pirates]

Anyway it doesn't matter because I lied about being bulletproof. I was just WIFOMing the scum.

DON'T YOU DARE LEAVE ME IN THIS MESS

[Drunken Pirates]

Well, at least your lynch is off the table for today.

Which brings us to the question: Who is the lynch du jour?

HELL THE FUCK NO

WE ARE LYNCHING THIS SHIT

Not today we aren't.

YES

WE ARE

[Drunken Pirates]

Also, DP, WHY are we "lynching this shit?" I've addressed all your reasons so far. Give me some more to address.

-Cerb

pedit: Why are you so angry now DP?

if you are going to assign emotions that I don't have then expect me to respond to you.

like this this is me saying I am saying I am not responding to you.

[Drunken Pirates]

I think abr has lost his mind.

is it cos varsoona said you were wrong?

[Drunken Pirates]

Can you post the one where you target Pip?

flum i am here

[Drunken Pirates]

Hello mollie?
wgeurts speaking here.
Could you possibly not make us loose, I mean: think of the benefits of keeping us alive. We can take out suspects at will, and we have to hunt scum. We are a threat to the scum team!
If the game isn't over once all scum are dead lynch us. But that won't happen.
Yes this is a desperate attempt at winning you over. Realise that scum see us as a threat, and in the case we do get lynched please take a really good look at who went after us; especially after we claimed.

you tried to stump/kill us on d1. are you fucking kidding me here?

catching up

plz tell abr's sanity returns and that very very stupid klingon thing stops posting.

[Drunken Pirates]

Lol. Is copying Skype logs even legal? There's probably no faking that. Wgeurts giving me the hammer and scum reading me now makes sense. It was confusing me since it didn't make much sense for either town or scum. Third party though. Heh.

Can you post the one where you target Pip?

flum i am here

Hey. Do you think we should still lynch him, or try to leash him?

I am leaning lynch him but I am still catching up. they tried to fuck town over it and is lol that they are now begging for mercy when they are caught.

if yoyo becomes stricken with...whatever it is that going around then I literally give up and will only talk to you for the rest of the game.

DON'T DRINK THE WATER FLUM

[Drunken Pirates]

Frozen Angel
Why can't we live?
What is the benefit of us dying?
Think people, think!
I'm not letting us get lynched stupidly after all this.

a scum tree stumper will die and town has a chance to just end this game tonight.

~Rylai

A: Not scum, we win with town or loose.
B: Wrong, as once again; not-scum.

BULLSHIT

you tried to stump us on d1 after I said we wld be mod-confirmed and stumped itelpip after they dayvigged the sk.

you have never ONCE had town's best interest in mind except mebbe gogurts here and there cerby obvsly doesn't give a shit about town.

god plz tell me it gets better

[Drunken Pirates]

This could be you guys:

Spoiler:

okay this pic is AWSUM

[Drunken Pirates]

Yeah, I still think we lynch CC today. If he's telling the truth, he's still a quasi-SK who's win condition requires him to kill multiple townies. He says he wins with the town, but if he has to kill all the townies to find the vigs, I suspect the town still loses.

And I.don't think he's quite telling the whole truth here.

oh thank god

thank you thank you thank you yoyo

what is wrong with abr? did he drink the water? I told you pple not to do that

[Drunken Pirates]

TCC/Cerb, you mentioned your play and Drixx' play is very similar. I was in another game with Drixx where he claimed 3rd party that can win with town. In the end, he was scum.

Everyone, I intend to vote TCC when I get home tonight if he is still alive. I'm late for work and don't have time to figure out where he is on the vote count and I don't want to accidentally hammer.

plz plz do

[Drunken Pirates]

For example, at some point we'll want to confirm R&L's claim ... but having their voices still around afterward would be super helpful ... while also knowing that they were telling the truth and we know the people they cleared are conftown.

Uh. We ARE NOT going to kill R&L just to "confirn" them. And yes, from the pov of the town win condition, a tree stump is the same as dead.

If you think R&L are scum and we should kill then, make your case. At least ABR made a case against tgem. You trying to kill them just to "confirm them" is bad bad bad badbadbadbadbad.

where did abr make his case?

[Drunken Pirates]

Ok, Cerb needs to die. No ifs ands or buts.

Right now, we have a Gamestate where we want low as fuck kpn. Sensai and I cannot be killed (speaking of which more Sensai MC votes people). This forces the scum to kill Zulfy or ABR. Scum must start murdering conftown or they will lose. They cannot afford a bus as long as Myself, Sensai and Zulfy are alive. Having a wagon with resistance at this time is highly indicative that TCC is scum or provides scum a huge benefit.

Increasing KPN (although it reduces the time till we innocent child) is bad for town. Doubly so if we do it for information. TCC is not a "town controlled kill". He's not a vig. Town doesn't want death. Scum does.

We have 14 alive. If we have 1 kpn and 3 scum remaining, that's 3 mislynches in a row scum would have to get. That's unlikely. Doubly so with a high number of confirmed town.

If we have two kpn and three scum left alive, scum need only two mislynches before lylo. Plus, if anyone hints at being vig, they die and not scum (as Cerb has to keep up appearances).

What's my rule? Count the bodies.

Cerb dies.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

<snip>

that...is not a case.

see abr LIED several times made horrible pushes, rolefished like a mofo w/o coming clean about his own role while simultaneously demanding a claim from every1 in the game. the push on rylai is HORRIBLE and looks desperate and you keep stating that abr's childish temper tantrums are somehow town is something that nobody else in this game can possibly understand.

I am ONLY townreading abr for similar reasons that hindu gave on d1.

I swear to god if any1 tries to lynch rylai I will rip out their spinal chord and watch them die and then resurrect the body so I can get the pleasure of killing them again and then resurrect them AGAIN just so I can get the same pleasure 3 times.

lol @ myself that this game is dragging out my violent *I have been watching too many horror flicks lately* I wanna watch the sound of music now.

and I have missed a shitton of posts.

[Drunken Pirates]

Abr reasons :

1 - Rilay's role is so good to be true!
2 - I hate Rilay's attitude! She needs to die!
3 - I hated the way she voted me last day over gale!

My defense :

1 - Fuck you!
2 - Fuck you!
3 - Fuck you

is there anymore questions?!

~Rylai

Personal insults / verbal abuse ^

you have dished out plenty of insults this game which makes unplayable and very unenjoyable.

own it.

[Drunken Pirates]

I used to love mafia

it shld be pretty obvs the oly pple who want cukes to live are scum or derp town.

this is like mafia 101 and wow look at who is failing.

rylai stop talking to abr. he is being a jerk.

and I am looking at the pple who are standing by and letting this shit happen.

fuck you pple

you know exactly what is going on here AND YOU ARE LETTING IT HAPPEN.

eta: rylai no he won't but he will be forced to confirm you which bottlenecks scum's endgame options.

[Drunken Pirates]

I will rolecop Rylia tonight. Is there ANY way to ensure I am not roleblocked?

If you guys decide to keep us alive, it's PROBABLY safer to rolecop us, than R&L, unless you go with my plan of having zulfy shut down our voting today to confirm we're not ascetic, and then having us shoot skybird and skybird roleblocks us, so no kill happens and skybirds action is locked in, so they can't roleblock you.

Also, if there are any empowers in the game to ensure you don't get roleblocked, i would recommend they *don't* claim.

-Cerb

pedit: Claiming miller doesn't make you less likely to be scum, nor does knowing the flavor of the game. Telling the truth about your adventure power is also not alignment indicative. The interactions between yourself and scum IS potentially alignment indicative, and a valid point.

this is why you need to die. no1 cares about you except for scum so need to rolecop you when you have claimed an indie role.

rolecopping rylai will confirm her cos it will come up "miller" since yanno it is a role cop.

this is why I do not think you can win with town COS THIS IS AN ANTI-TOWN MENTALITY. that and your treestump choices which were garbage.

DIE! DIE! DIE!

[Drunken Pirates]

[quote="In post 7496, The Cool Cucumbers"]DP, I've only made *2* treestump choices. One is mandated by my win con.

Please, tell me how attempting to stump you after D1 is a bad choice? Seriously? Tell me who would be stupid enough to not be suspicious of you guys after D1? I really want you to outline how exactly you were obviously town D1./quote]

the part where I said we were mod confirmable and you tried to stump us before we had a chance to confirm ourselves.

and lemme get this straight

you didn't think we were a vig? and stumped us anyway? were you not playing to your "wc" on purpose cos...I dunno mebbe that isn't your wc and you are lying.

how is this thing being allowed to live

[Drunken Pirates]

Overall we have way too much drama in this thread. R&L, people have the right to suspect you; this is a mafia game, that's the whole point. Don't take it personally.

Its not me taking it personally

Its him making my personality like a scum tell

If I understand this right, he sees you doing something he's seen you do before as scum so he suspects you, right?

That's not unreasonable either. I get that your defense is that you always do it, and that's also fine, but he is allowed to try and meta you. None of this is him doing anything wrong or inappropriate, it's all pretty standard scumhunting stuff and i don't get why you reacted so violently to it.

But let's get back to your reads. Can you explain why you think DGB is actually scum and not just a townie who can't keep up with this game's pace? DGB's voting record looks pretty decent overall to me, and her suspicion on zxxx seems reasonable in context.

abr said that was her first game didn't he?

also I have asked you who is scum like 3 times now are srsly going to continue to ignore me

[Drunken Pirates]

oh I forgot :

If I could have change my personality I would gladly do it.

I can't . It only heals over time. I'm really really really really really trying like the way I tried to control myself in talking with ABR atm. But thats all I can do atm

sorry if I'm hurting you

rylai plz stop responding to abr

he knows you are emotional and he is trying to get to you.

the levels of stupidity are astonishing in this game. like holy shit

cuke pple need to die their claim is full of shit. also I am ignoring all of their posts cos they just need to die.

[Drunken Pirates]

Wait CC stumped me?

yes. plz lynch him with us pretty plz with sugar on top I will wub you forever.

[Drunken Pirates]

do I die after today or do I stay here forever?

you are going to have to suffer through rest of this game with us.

@ rylai - titus wants you to mc sensei plz

[Drunken Pirates]

btw, what is ABR's current claim?

its still doctor minus the bp

plz don't leave us alone here

[Drunken Pirates]

Cucumber I will let you know after a game I had with drixx i swore never to trust any 3rd parties. which I wont. I will make sure we use you and you will be gone before we reach lylo if we cant finish the game by then.

-Z

pedit: yea.

zzthing we shld lynch TODAY period end of story it needs to happen. I am super duper indie friendly like no really I am you can see it in my game history but this thing needs to die.

DIE! SCUM DIE!

[Drunken Pirates]

@ drixx - no, I said we had the potential to be confirmable on d1.

all this shows is that you pple don't read a thing I say.

I don't give a flying fuck if he is your IRL friend. he is getting lynched TODAY even if I have to yell, scream, sell a kidney and throw a hissy fit in order to do it.

its what we are doing.

[Drunken Pirates]

Cerb: even if you are 100% telling the truth, you are still a threat to the town and to the town win condition. You could very well kill us all and win as a SK, by your own admission. Any attempt to contain you is risky and imperfect for us and prone to eventually fail, and you know it.

Now if there was someone else I was almost sure was mafia then maybe I'd lynch them before you, but let's be clear here; the town is better off if you are dead.

4th time might be the charm!!! \o/

are you going to answer my question yoyo?

[Drunken Pirates]

I still think someone should make a reality tv show based off mafia.

reck wanted to do a survivor game weekend at his place and film it.

you shld see the f2f mafia screaming matches pple get into here lol. I always die early regardless of alignment cos I have an obvs tell and every1 knows it BUT I WILL GET THEM SOMEDAY

I totally think it is videotaping worthy tho I can hear the screaming going on from the dead room.

[Drunken Pirates]

@ drixx -

no, I said we had the potential to be confirmable on d1.

all this shows is that you pple don't read a thing I say.

I don't give a flying fuck if he is your IRL friend. he is getting lynched TODAY even if I have to yell, scream, sell a kidney and throw a hissy fit in order to do it.

its what we are doing.

Can you quote that? I clearly missed it.

I am not going to go trawling through d1's 815 posts to find a claim that you shld already have had marked down.

eta: @ itelpip - if I am scum I am lynched if I am town I am nked COS I AM OBVS TOWN. my face turns red and I can't help it if some1 asks me if I am scum and every1 knows this which is why it is the first thing pple do in a game. I once tried to imagine that every1 was naked when I was scum and bluff my way out of it but all it did was traumatize me.

[Drunken Pirates]

Varsoona, Could a treestumper (if one exists) treestump themselves?

[Drunken Pirates]

@ yoyo - are you going to answer my question? 5th time I am asking you!

[Drunken Pirates]

@ZZZX - Man you gotta stop being mad at me about SMITE. I replaced into that with the fake claim gambit already made by the slot. I just did my best with what I had. There's a huge difference between this situation and that one. In SMITE I was scum with a fake claim. I wasn't actually a third party so my play in that game shouldn't color how you view 3rd parties, as long as you can be relatively sure that they are actually third party.

I'm not mad at you. That was great play.

But my trust is harder to get

Mollie explain like I'm 5 what we would gain from lynching cc now instead of say.. Tomorrow?

how about YOU explain to me like I am 5 what we gain from keeping cuke pple alive now instead of say...tomorrow?

the argument will be predicated on trusting them which I don't. so you need to me why exactly you do.

[Drunken Pirates]

@ yoyo - are you going to answer my question? 5th time I am asking you!

What is the question, exactally?

you have been clearing town left and right and shld have a pretty good poe list right about now.

who is scum?

[Drunken Pirates]

Scum miller is a thing.

I believe that Yosarian2 scum slipped in the Party PT. I would like votes OFF of TCC temporarily as fast as possible. Do it so the day doesn't get ended prematurely. I will post again when he has satisfied me that it's not a slip, or else the post will out how he slipped and be accompanied by my vote and hopefully a bunch more.

I am not doing a thing until you explain this.

I want to hear what you have to say, we are not gonna monitor the thread to make sure you get your say.

but cuke pple need 3 more votes in order for his lynch to happen so you have a reasonable amount of time.

[Drunken Pirates]

There's no reason for me to out it without giving Yosarian the chance to show me somewhere that my logic chain fails.

But ... if my logic chain is sound, it's basically 100% certain that I caught Yosarian in a narrative slip. I don't say that lightly. This has nothing to do with ABR's earlier concern.

okay.

keeping things hidden from the rest of the players is terrible play and no I am not going to trust you since you somehow thought it was a good idea to lynch rylai in order to prove 2 other players as town. there is this thing called scumhunting yanno and guess what you don't need to lynch town in order to do it.

so yeah, unless you explain what is going on I am ignoring it.

also just wanna say that this is why I hate hoods and I am totally necro-ing dgb's "STOP THE NEIGHBORHOOD MADNESS" thread postgame. cos y'all are being awful and confusing and will drive town into apathy which will more than likely result in a scum win even tho I think they are clearly losing here so I am expecting last minute gambits.

[Drunken Pirates]

Don't misrep me DP. I said that there exists possible gamestates in the future where having R&L's flip in order to know for sure 100% that Sensei and Zulfy are town would be desireable, and doing it while still letting them help their wincon would be even more so. I was in fact arguing that we wouldn't want to lynch them but if we got to that point we would want to have someone leashed who could stump them.

if you are town how about you deal with what is front of you.

It's amusing how you were all about keeping things hidden while you were in the party, but now you are railing against it.

nothing really interesting went on in the hood when we were in it. titus wasbaging on about abr and trying to drum up support, sensei didn't want to discuss anything, we were all freaked out except for you about scum sneaking in a peering on our discussions, I gave a readslist and I posted 1 here too!

so far:

1. yoyo being the terrible player he must be SCUMSLIPPED TWICE.
2. abr melted down.
3. rylai apparently gave the details of her role.

now 1 and 2 are the things that need to be explained IN the thread. 3 we don't need to know.

plz tell me what is going on.

[Drunken Pirates]

I didn't meltdown Sensei lied as a reaction test saying yos guessed his exact abilities.

you totally melted down but its okay it makes you human regardless of alignment.

sorry if you are offended that I am saying you are human.

however we do not trust you!

UNVOTE:

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE: cuke pple

I thought we were still voting dgb! titus is like "NOOOOOOOOOOOO" lol

[Drunken Pirates]

Okay so apparently I'm not going to be in the party because I totally screwed this up.

Yesterday we were fairly paranoid that scum had some way to read the party chat or that we had scum in the party. Then Yos casually mentioned the exact abilities I sparked, even though I didn't say them in today's PT (there's a new one each day). He had no way to know that unless the paranoia from yesterday was true and he was party to some other chat where the info was shared.

But then I got pointed to a page I missed in today's PT (it's not even very long, so I'm apparently really clueless for missing a whole page) where someone else told today's group what I sparked.

Feel free to /point and /mock.

(((drixx)))

that is a hug btw

can we lynch cuke pple now

[Drunken Pirates]

This party is more of a train wreck than the one yesterday. And that's saying something.

I'm leaning towards thinking we should lynch cucumber, despite how bad I feel from him trying so hard.

OURS WAS NOT A TRAINWRECK TYVM IT WAS BORING

[Drunken Pirates]

I read the whole claim.

Then what did you mean you weren't gut reading him as scum?

Scum is 3rd party/mafia yeah, but I view it as anti-town mafia/3rd party.

I just thought of something that worries me. Why is he 3rd party yet not able to win with scum or SK if they win? His wincon literally is the town wincon with a few extra hoops to jump through. 3rd parties usually have a caveat of being able to win with more than just one faction. His only wins with town and that's it. It's actually a pretty hard wincon to follow through on without there being more to it role or knowledge-wise.

this is why we are lynching him!

[Drunken Pirates]

@mollie: I think you might be drinking some water. chill. seriously, I wish this game had a PR for everyone that they couldn't insult each other or else it would result in insta modkill. I'm tired of coming in here and seeing "fuck you", "get the hell out", and "asshat" over a game, man. No matter who it comes from, no matter who it's aimed at, even if it's someone you dislike. The fact that it keeps happening in this game in particular is not ok and I don't want to see people defending that when someone's calling the person scum and they're responding like that.

Since this was kind of out of left field, I was reading a post where you told ABR something about how he insulted people and FA is completely in the right in calling him out.

hindu he has. he isn't lynching rylai cos he thinks she is scum if he is town but because he doesn't like her. he doesn't like me and he has insulted titus repeatedly.

I don't like the insults either! (altho I might have made 1 or 2 in the heat of the moment )

that is why I have been keeping up with the flying roleblocking hated ninja sharks thing. game needs some levity.

[Drunken Pirates]

hindu he has. he isn't lynching rylai cos he thinks she is scum if he is town but because he doesn't like her.

That's really not fair. ABR was townreading and defending and working with R&L for most of the game. When he did start to suspect them he had decent reasons for it.

By the way I am going to laugh so hard if you eventually flip flying ninja shark

I WANT TO BE A FLYING ROLEBLOCKING HATED NINJA SHARK DAMMIT

what were those reasons yoyo? cos we aren't privy to what is going on ad I keep asking for some1 to explain it to me and no1 will.

it feels like a deliberate move to drive town into pathy cos I am pretty sure we are the only 1s who give a damn right now who is not in your party thread.

[Drunken Pirates]

He explained in thread. The end of day counterwagon on him they pushed that almost saved a scum from being lynched,

meta that he's seen them act like this as scum before

, and skepticism about the mechanics of their claimed role. Overall reasonable points for the most part.

Of course, he spead them out and mixed in a ton of short posts demanding they die and whatnot, but I tune those out. He always does that. Hell he did it to me a few pages ago and he's the guy who invited me to join this game in the first place.

did you miss the part where asked rylai if this was her first scum game? cos he totally did that.

and no I am not digging for it I might ask titus later but y'all need to pay more attention here plz this thread is important too it is where most of the players are.

[Drunken Pirates]

it feels like a deliberate move to drive town into pathy

On a side note, now you're the one echoing what's going on in the adventure thread, lol. Albert said almost the same thing, that the constant rush of weird things from the party thread into here are going to cause apathy.

abr and I have been weirdly in sync all game. he was the 1 who was freaking me out in the party thread. I wld say something there and then he wld say it here it was bizarre. I think it is cos town moves in herds tho and said that might be the case in the previous party thread after sitting with my paranoia for a day and a half.

oh and we are totally down with a lynch on klingon mebbe but you didn't respond when I pointed out that abr asked if this was her first scumgame so yeah it is not a meta read.

eta: xpost I STAND WITH YOYO

[Drunken Pirates]

Let's lynch cucumbers.
It's true we can use role stuff on him to nullify him from being harmful, but then what's the point? That's a lot of resources going that way to keep it in check too that could be better used elsewhere, and I'm not sure if it's worth the gain of a stumper.

is your vote on them?

[Drunken Pirates]

@mollie: I think you might be drinking some water. chill. seriously, I wish this game had a PR for everyone that they couldn't insult each other or else it would result in insta modkill. I'm tired of coming in here and seeing "fuck you", "get the hell out", and "asshat" over a game, man. No matter who it comes from, no matter who it's aimed at, even if it's someone you dislike. The fact that it keeps happening in this game in particular is not ok and I don't want to see people defending that when someone's calling the person scum and they're responding like that.

Since this was kind of out of left field, I was reading a post where you told ABR something about how he insulted people and FA is completely in the right in calling him out.

I feel the same, this is completely toxic and makes me not want to play anymore. I have not insulted Rylai to prompt that kind of behavior, I said that I don't trust her slot and then I am received by dozens of insults.

Varsoon this is causing a disruption to the game.

abr I am not saying you deserve the insults. at all. cos you don't.

but you have done your own fair share insulting pple too and that is what I have been saying all along.

lets just move on okay?

[Drunken Pirates]

Ok, Cerb needs to die. No ifs ands or buts.

Right now, we have a Gamestate where we want low as fuck kpn. Sensai and I cannot be killed (speaking of which more Sensai MC votes people). This forces the scum to kill Zulfy or ABR. Scum must start murdering conftown or they will lose. They cannot afford a bus as long as Myself, Sensai and Zulfy are alive. Having a wagon with resistance at this time is highly indicative that TCC is scum or provides scum a huge benefit.

Increasing KPN (although it reduces the time till we innocent child) is bad for town. Doubly so if we do it for information. TCC is not a "town controlled kill". He's not a vig. Town doesn't want death. Scum does.

We have 14 alive. If we have 1 kpn and 3 scum remaining, that's 3 mislynches in a row scum would have to get. That's unlikely. Doubly so with a high number of confirmed town.

If we have two kpn and three scum left alive, scum need only two mislynches before lylo. Plus, if anyone hints at being vig, they die and not scum (as Cerb has to keep up appearances).

What's my rule? Count the bodies.

Cerb dies.

~Titus

I agree that they need to die, but not just yet.

As 3rd Party they can help us find & eliminate the remaining Scum. We can always lynch them later in the game.

No. No. No.

You don't get to bitch slap on Mollie being the active head and dismiss what I am saying so easily. You've built me up and used me as a shield, far after I have told you your theory about third parties is a load of fucking hogwash.

You're not aggressively going after your scumreads or doing anything useful lately.
Your wagon composition has the same players as Gale's lynch.

Today coming in, you were my preferred fucking lynch because confirming your alignment says a shitton about D1 and D2. I am not townreading you anymore.

So no, drop the pretense. Drop the we lynch Cerb later. He dies today.

The wheels are off. Shape up or die.

[Drunken Pirates]

No. I am not talking to you Cerb. I don't trust you. You need to die.

Back to lurker mode so we can unleash the kraken with 10 players alive.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

What resources other than discussion are you considering using? It's not even compulsive. There's no need to RB them because if they get out of line, we instalynch them and they know it.

we are lynching cuke pple before dgb enters retirement.

or klingon. I am not picky.

[Drunken Pirates]

Sure.

Each night I may submit a target. That target will be treestumped. Normal kill protection does not stop this stumping from happening.
I may not be killed during the day or the night, but I may still be stumped/lynched/otherwise removed from the game.

So, Unlimited strongman stumping and unlimited super bulletproof, as in, immune to all killing effects, so delayed kills and bombs and such wouldn't work on me either, but vulnerable to strongman or adventuring party focus fire.

-Cerb

pedit: mollie, are you saying you're willing to lynch either klingon OR ourselves today, and DGB is next on the list? Or do you mean you want to lynch us before ANYONE else, and KC/DGB are tied for second?

1. you aren't telling the truth here. you targeted us n1 and whoa lo and behold we really ARE BP JUST LIKE WE SAID!!! DID I MENTION WE ARE CONFIRMABLE AND WE ARE LIKE A COCKROACH????

2. I wanna lynch klingon and titus is nearly sold on it. klingon really doesn't want to unleash the kracken.

3. nope I am off my crack induced paranoia of dgb cos both yoyo and abr vouch for her and the early town feels (1 of the few reads titus and I agreed on) and if that was not enough she is killing what I am killing and she knows exactly where I got that from. plus i feel like I can hear her brainwaves in "GOD CAN THIS DAY END ALREADY" altho I MIGHT be picking up on some "MOLLIE GOD SHUT UP" but I am ignoring that part. I am pretending there is noise interference or something.

game needs levity and i think gogurts gets that which is the only thing appealing about keeping your hydra around but no you need death.

[Drunken Pirates]

1) There was also a 5 fucking shot roleblocker around on N1. You surviving doesn't mean anything.
2) Got it. I need to read up on KC.
3) Cool. For what it's worth, My reread of DGB's ISO left me feeling like she's just lost more than anything else. Lack of experience with the player means I don't know if that's normal for her or anything, but she doesn't feel like a priority lynch anymore.

-Cerb

pedit: Exactly flum. Techniques aren't a problem.

1. pretty sure strongman bypasses role blockers!
2. you shld do that
3. I am leaving her alone!

[Drunken Pirates]

I am sorry Fulminator. Forgive me?

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Strongman is a role modifier that signifies that any kills performed by this player cannot be blocked by any means - neither by Bulletproof, nor by Doctor or other protective roles, nor by Roleblocks. It is, however, trumped by roles that prevent the victim from being targeted at all, namely Commuter and Hider.

That's from the wiki.

[Drunken Pirates]

I am sorry Fulminator. Forgive me?

~Titus

Lol? Of course, but why now?

@Fluminator, Because I have finally come around to mostly townreading you. It took me awhile. I still have minor nagging concerns but you are likely town. You're town enough where I should reach out given the flack I gave you before and you're on.

Back to lurker mode.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

So we have a Miller AND a Third Party we are obligated to use lynches on?

I think there's literally zero chance of you making it out of today alive TCC. Best you can get out of this is to try and leave behind good reasoning about who is scum and why and show that you will play town friendly as a neutral. Nobody is going to listen to me.

Not necessarily.

If Sensei and Zulfy die/stump there won't be any need to lynch the Miller.

The 3rd Party must die before Lylo.

lynch it with fire lynch it with fire LYNCH IT WITH FIRE DUM DE DAH!!!

I agree.

[Drunken Pirates]

Either way, that's like the completely wrong order, klingon.

Also guys. We're still lynching the third party. "We can win with town yayz" is almost 95% of the time bullshit.

we agree

[Drunken Pirates]

Shut up, or at least quit acting like such an idiot.

do you think saying this somehow makes you...look kewl or something? I was actually quoting what titus was saying to me on the phone lol. you know, that person want in the game so much who is itching to tear you a new 1 cos your play has been truly dismal.

[Drunken Pirates]

Due to the rules infraction being on Frozen Angel's part, I will allow Shiro to replace into the slot on two conditions:
1. A majority of the players agree that this is okay
2. Shiro wants to replace in

agreed

[Drunken Pirates]

I think the odds of us "controlling their stump" are low. I think if we try, tommorow they'll have killed someone else and they'll say "lol I thought that guy was scum" or "Ok ok but that was the last vig so I'll be good from now on i swear" or whatever and then people will probably let them go again anyway.

Look at the post directly below yours, man. That's far worse than tcc. I think it's worth it to let them slip up if they want to and in the meantime, let the possibility of them helping us weigh on their shoulders. We can get a lynch I feel is more likely to hit scum until that time.

hindu, you do realize that they claimed strongman who targeted us? they are lying.

[Drunken Pirates]

I agree with yoyo that zulfy shld use his fists on cuke pple and we shld not lynch sky until he does that.

I guess sky hasn't come back yet? abr raised a cple of decent points.

[Drunken Pirates]

The fact that CC is trying to get Flum more powers is srsly weird, and is making me doubt his claimed win condition.

I blame you for this jsyk

[Drunken Pirates]

I should have just hammered Cerb when he was at L-1.
This is stupid.

yep.

you shld have.

[Drunken Pirates]

TCC made a cogent point so it makes sense to be cautious. One day of not getting a "soul power" almost certainly won't be a loss condition for us. By the way ... am I the only one creeped out that Flum is basically taking people's souls to gain power? It's probably NAI due to the flavor of the game, but still creepy.

In saga that's exactly what the mystics do.

*waves at Mollie*

Do you still want team mafia gogurts or do you insist on shunning your pet shark?
~wgeurts

I don't trust you.

you are following whatever abr dictates.

and you just hammered before zulfy did his thing which works to YOUR benefit not town's. and abr helped you do that.

you are constantly posting out of your hydra despite being warned. this is why hydras have a bad reputation and are mot allowed in games.

you fix all of these and we will see. cos I love team!mafia gogurts thats why I tried to keep town from lynching you.

[Drunken Pirates]

Yeah, you do after you took away a potential Sensei/Pip/me neighborhood that would be op as heck.

who are you talking to here

[Drunken Pirates]

Because the paranoia on me is stupid and keeping me away from cool powers.

I assure you the paranoia isn't "stupid". It has at the very least valid logic. If the premises are true, then it bumps up from valid to sound. Just let it ride and we'll see the flip and that will clear up a lot of questions.

you are confusing "logic" with "rationalization"

those aren't synonyms hth

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie, maybe that's because ABR has given us a chance where we would otherwise have had none. Also cerb can confirm I've been wanting flum/sky lynched for a while.
Maybe if you would actually talk to us we could discuss better options.
~wgeurts

those problems that I have listed have been going on for a while. everything you guys have pushed have come from a survivalistic perspective. you are in the game for yourselves. I mean this is really clear. I mean you just fucked flum who is probs town out of his power I mean he has been transparent about this all game.

you fucked town over so that you cld live. and I am supposed to trust you?

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie of cause I flipping tried to survive! That's needed for my wincon.
This doesn't give you the grounds to disregard anything else I say. I'm trying to find scum, I hope you are too. Why don't we work together in the common ground we do share?

you fucked over town to survive. plain and simple.

you guys are not working for town so you drop the pretense now.

@ zulfy - abr bullied pple into getting his own way.

[Drunken Pirates]

I did not vote because of ABR's bullying. I almost refused to vote because of it. How did I not make this clear.

you shld have waited for zulfy

[Drunken Pirates]

Basically ABR is being a douchenozzle, and he decided he wanted to exert power and tried to bully the town into quicklynching. I only voted because Drixx wanted me to. Just making this clear one more time in case more people missed it.

lets be honest. its cos he wanted his vaca to start.

i am glad I had the commune survivor simulator kept me in a good mood cos otherwise I wld be cranky.

@ zulfy - I agree!

[Drunken Pirates]

I did not vote because of ABR's bullying. I almost refused to vote because of it. How did I not make this clear.

you shld have waited for zulfy

Yeah probably. Waiting for town to organize was the main reason I didn't hammer Cerb. I have a midterm really soon and I'm stressed and didn't think clearly this time. My bad.

(((flum)))

good luck on your test!

[Drunken Pirates]

And even if you want to say that ABR shouldn't get much credit for the lynches ... he was still the counterwagon to Gale and nearly got lynched instead of Gale. Like... you can dislike the way ABR is going about things ... but are you actually trying to argue that he's scum and it's totally fine that Zulfy decided he wanted to gladiate obvtown out of sheer spite?

it is isn't that I dislike you, its that you make really naive/dumb assumptions like that.

scum being a cw to their scummate happens all of the time. ALL OF THE TIME.

welcome to larges. usually it is louder more egotistical player that lives and is given town cred by newbs or poor players.

lets look at what happened today:

zulfy who is confirmed by shiro along with sensei had powers to activate. the hammer kept town from getting those powers.

abr deprived flum from getting what are likely town powers.

we are letting the treestumping sk live who will only listen to whoever will let him live.

great job guys!

[Drunken Pirates]

Pirates you need to answer the questions

Why did you lie about who hammered?

I didn't lie I thought drixx hammered. was it cuke pple?

[Drunken Pirates]

Zulfy is not actually confirmed by Shiro. Shiro gave out the name before Zulfy claimed it. Just saying.

You're also not confirmed until it actually happens. I think it unlikely that you would make the claim that you will be mod confirmed in thread (equivalent to Innocent Child) if it's not true, but it would be foolish for me to just assume it is true and let that assumption impact other thoughts.

I appreciate it that I am almost certainly not as good at this game as you are, but do you have to constantly imply that I'm terrible? It has started to feel really personal.

(((drixx)))

its not personal I am just really annoyed! this was poorly played out IMO. ffs you pple need to keep it in your pants sometimes.

[Drunken Pirates]

All players may only vote for Zulfy or Albert B. Rampage.
Albert B. Rampage can not vote for the rest of the day, take night actions, and have lost all passive abilities until the following day. All votes against him will count as double for the remainder of the day.
The Cool Cucumbers can not vote for the rest of the day, take night actions, and have lost all passive abilities until the following day. All votes against them will count as double for the remainder of the day.

Alright

What the fuck is this shit?

I think this is zulfy using his ability.

yes cerby no brainer is 1 of my hydras. thread was locked before I cld pick it up, sorry. I think you are right with the dble vote thing with drixx. this is the first thing you have said that I have somewhat liked. altho admittedly I don't read the majority of your posts. some things do catch my eye now and then.

I thought it was a hammer too. now I feel a little silly raging but the bright side is we can organize ourselves a bit and zulfy got to use his ability, I am not sure if it was correctly but then I DON"T TRUST ABR.

eta: ffs xpots

[Drunken Pirates]

Easy with the insults boys

It's the truth. You should have never used your all of techniques in Twilight thinking they would magically go through based off of one post and ignoring/not reading the rest of the thread.

And then you have the gall to gloat about being "confirmed town" by word of mouth from a slot that isn't as trusted as it once was while forcing us to lynch between you and someone who is honestly not going to be lynched today ever.

I'm going to happily lynch you if you keep this ABR lynch going.

hindu I really do like you and I hate we are at odds here

but you are enabling a whiny bullying childish playing player and letting him get away with it.

you wld have to be out of your mind to not realize that rylai is very young and an emotional playing and abr purposefully baited and bullied to get her out of the game cos he did not like her cos she did not go along with what he said.

zulfy is also a very young player and abr is doing the exact same thing to zulfy that he did to rylai.

abr throws a temper tantrum everytime he doesn't get his way. the argument for you guys enabling him is that "oh he has found 3 scum!".

only 2 have flipped. they were both scumreads of mine on d1 where were you? mebbe the shit show with my hydra wldn't have happened if I had more support (I do know you tried and ty <3).

I for 1 am thoroughly sick of abr and the rest of you pple catering to him. I might be up for a no lynch but I am not lynching some1 I think is likely town who was baited and bullied into doing what he did when the person who did it knew exactly what he was doing. <------ that is shitty behaviour.

you probably aren't even reading my posts anymore but oh well

[Drunken Pirates]

ABR is already at L-4 (L-2 really since votes are double votes rn) so yes, now I see what Drixx is saying. The fire vote on him counts as a double vote even though it's only a single vote on Yos and Zulfy (?????). Yos, if there's a good reason to be rushing a lynch based on what Drixx says in PT, then yeah, let me know. Otherwise I'm waiting on everyone.

mollie, ABR isn't even manipulating emotional people. People just don't like his playstyle or how blunt he is or that he's calling them scum. What FA did was out of place and she did the same thing to me earlier in the game too. I've read all your posts.

Zulfy isn't even emotional, he just made a hasty decision and used all these abilities out of nowhere because he thought there was a hammer and didn't even read the whole thread to see what happened. This is a shitshow.

hindu

I disagree cos he was. I have seen him do it several times before. he baits pple and then if rise to it he tries to either bully them or get them removed from the game via the mod or a lynch. you said "mollie no1 hates you" and I showed you where he said exactly that.

I don't think he is the same player you used to know. he has gotten mean and he knows what he is doing.

I am not happy with the situ either it is distracting me from the very important task of running the computerized survivor game simulator of all the pple on the commune and I have to keep trying until I beat reck so I can IM him and say TAKE THAT!

http://brantsteele.net/survivor/cagayan ... c=RpJLzKTu

[Drunken Pirates]

[Drunken Pirates]

ftr, it isn't what he is saying cos I agree with him its cos he used the shouty font.

[Drunken Pirates]

So I wanted to make sure that nobody missed that.

You think people will get the message?

idk I usually bold mine just to be sure cos I know how pple are.

I am probs not voting for zulfy or abr. unless something major happens. I feel like they are both town.

[Drunken Pirates]

DP you did lie. Fluminator is not a hydra. It's clear you were talking about cucumbers when you said they hammered.

Obviously not tryna pin the blame of this fiasco on you, it's all me, but something to keep in mind for tomorrow.

The pirates are liars.

*sigh*

I might change my mind on zulfy.

I was convinced he was another jordan or shea alt for awhile to be honest.

I didn't lie. I never said flum was a hydra. I mean i have been addressing him as a single person all game. and yeah I was talking about cuke pple then I had no idea wtf you were talking about.

I think you are confusing "liars" with "mistaken" altho I really have no idea what you are talking about so I am not even sure what you are referring to.

@ hindu - sure but you shld talk to nacho! ask him about team!mafia and abr postgame. I try to see the best in pple too.

ffs

[Drunken Pirates]

@drixx,

I really hate the shade you threw on Mollie there. People get emotional. We aren't robots that can be plugged into a computer. Sure did she overreact, yes. Yet she wasn't throwing me under the bus in any manner that I didn't deserve. I ruined her plans, despite promising not to. To expect her not to be pissed is ridiculous. I am still learning how to improve, and the more emotional posts help me the best. the ego fests and my way is the right way are not helping. I will admit I was part of the problem.

You don't get to attack Mollie for that though. If I got a problem, you'll hear about it. I am not some lost puppy dog needing my ego shielded from my own mistakes.

Capiche?

[Drunken Pirates]

@Drixx

Well, yeah your play today has been utter shit and hysterics rather than based in reason which you so cherish. So yeah, I get why she's upset with you.

Rather than reevaluate your position on ABR, you're throwing shit saying lynch confirmed town because they won't do what I want because ABR is town. This is at best confbias. If forced to lynch between two people, you never pick conftown. We aren't forced to lynch between two people but it's still shit to throw shade like that and try to lynch conftown.

We don't lynch town for not agreeing with each other. That's ego fest. It needs to stop.

You have to grow a thick skin and realize that people use hyperbole. You're selectively attacking Mollie for comments about me when they needed to be said. This is the last I will say on this.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

No, to consider Zulfy scum, you would have to prove that either a) Zulfy is lying about his character (solved by Rolecop probably so why bother lying) or that b) Shiro is scum in some wierd gambit to create false clears.

Those are ridiculous, even for the queen of moon logic.

You're being just as much an ego fest as anyone else. Rather than try and diffuse the situation or figure out WHY Zulfy acted in that way, you just threatened him with death for noncompliance. That's not going to foster cooperative thinking. I know this being the queen of confbias tunnels myself.

If you think ABR is town and don't want Zulfy to do this, the proper play is to convince people that ABR is town, not to lynch very probable town who most would say is confirmed town.

[Drunken Pirates]

So you say you werent lying, just mistaken. Why did you think cucumbers had hammered?

Everyone thought there was a hammer. Everyone was wrong. Beyond that....

You're directing a question for Mollie to me. She'll see this and answer why she thought cuke ppl was the hammer when she gets here.

Back to lurker mode.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

Probable town get to be loud and vocal and given room. A method where probable town are in control is fine even if I don't agree with it. This is what Mollie has been trying to teach me. I am a horrible student sometimes though. I've probably spent too many posts on this point, but I think it is worth it.

As long as Sensai, my hydra, shiro, Fluminator, Lowkey, and Zulfy are alive, town's chances are pretty good. It's when people start attacking obvious town for not cooperating that we have a problem.

Scum have to NK obvious town. There's not much choice in the matter. Don't make it easier for scum. It's not "responsibility" to give you what you want. You need to show that it's ok to disagree. You're creating a boogie man where none exists. Classic argument from consequences.

Every town power has a purpose and a reason. We work best when working together. I may fail at implementing this occasionally, but I still believe it to be true.

[Drunken Pirates]

Okay, I changed my mind at least a little bit. Just gotta clear this up for mollie.

mollie, please read this post, even if you don't read ANYTHING else our hydra says today.

TCC made a cogent point so it makes sense to be cautious. One day of not getting a "soul power" almost certainly won't be a loss condition for us. By the way ... am I the only one creeped out that Flum is basically taking people's souls to gain power? It's probably NAI due to the flavor of the game, but still creepy.

In saga that's exactly what the mystics do.

*waves at Mollie*

Do you still want team mafia gogurts or do you insist on shunning your pet shark?
~wgeurts

I don't trust you.

you are following whatever abr dictates.

and you just hammered before zulfy did his thing which works to YOUR benefit not town's. and abr helped you do that.

you are constantly posting out of your hydra despite being warned. this is why hydras have a bad reputation and are mot allowed in games.

you fix all of these and we will see. cos I love team!mafia gogurts thats why I tried to keep town from lynching you.

This is the post Zulfy is talking about. You're quoting us, and you say we are following whatever ABR dictates, and then you say we just hammered, doing something which works to our benefit, not towns. You then talk about posting our of our hydra, and then you say stuff about gogurts.

It's super obvious that this post is directed at our hydra. In it, you say we did something we did not do. You say that our hydra hammered, and you way ABR helped us do it.

You misrepresented what we did, and Zulfy read it and nothing else and overreacted.

Did you honestly think we had hammered at that point? Did you just screw up? Or what?

This post+Zulfy making terrible decisions is why we're in the situation we're in. I just want you to acknowledge that you DID lie about who hammered in this post.

-Cerb

sure

[Drunken Pirates]

So you say you werent lying, just mistaken. Why did you think cucumbers had hammered?

Everyone thought there was a hammer.

Everyone was wrong. Beyond that....

You're directing a question for Mollie to me. She'll see this and answer why she thought cuke ppl was the hammer when she gets here.

Back to lurker mode.

~Titus

this pretty much. it had been a while since there was a vc.

you DO remember we are mod confirmable correct?

[Drunken Pirates]

Probable town get to be loud and vocal and given room. A method where probable town are in control is fine even if I don't agree with it. This is what Mollie has been trying to teach me. I am a horrible student sometimes though. I've probably spent too many posts on this point, but I think it is worth it.

As long as Sensai, my hydra, shiro, Fluminator, Lowkey, and Zulfy are alive, town's chances are pretty good. It's when people start attacking obvious town for not cooperating that we have a problem.

Scum have to NK obvious town. There's not much choice in the matter. Don't make it easier for scum. It's not "responsibility" to give you what you want. You need to show that it's ok to disagree. You're creating a boogie man where none exists. Classic argument from consequences.

Every town power has a purpose and a reason. We work best when working together. I may fail at implementing this occasionally, but I still believe it to be true.

I am so proud. titus is picking up where I am flagging. ty titus <3

[Drunken Pirates]

I think scum are in the 1s who are not posting.

[Drunken Pirates]

The problem, Mollie, is that the guy threw a temper tantrum and already showed that he doesn't care of there is a majority who has agreed. If he disagrees he's going to do whatever he wants.

That wouldn't be a problem for most people ... but Zulfy is rapidly approach the ability to just instantly kill whomever he wants as soon as a day starts, and there's literally no reason to trust he won't act out of spite again. Petulance mixed with rashness mixed with the power to act unilaterally is a really bad mix.

[Drunken Pirates]

I think this is the best play but some1 needs to reach out to zulfy, some1 who is not scum or indie cos he ain't listening to me.

VOTE: no lynch

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE: no lynch

[Drunken Pirates]

can pple stop talking to the claimed indie right now ty

what is wrong with you pple

eta: @ drixx - titus posted that. I thought it was funny! given the situ. especially since you are wanting to lynch some1 who is most likely town for reasons based on temper tantrum throwing when another player has been doing the same thing. the push to lynch rylai was bullshit.

[Drunken Pirates]

can pple stop talking to the claimed indie right now ty

what is wrong with you pple

eta: @ drixx - titus posted that. I thought it was funny! given the situ. especially since you are wanting to lynch some1 who is most likely town for reasons based on temper tantrum throwing when another player has been doing the same thing. the push to lynch rylai was bullshit.

Fuck off mollie

, my analysis is fucking perfect and what I'm saying makes perfect sense. I'm a goddamn fucking asset to this town and stop fucking wasting me by making me have NO fucking reason to actually try to solve the game.

Anyways. it's possible that DGB is just dumb town and didn't claim D1 like she should have, and then got in too far and realized if she claimed town would just auto lynch her.

It's also possible Shiro/ZZZX are scum, one or both of them(more likely shiro than zzzx in this scenario), and they've corroborated the suspicions I voiced earlier in order to get DGB mislynched. This is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.

Finally, it COULD be a coincidence. Town could have got really really unlucky here, and just happened to target the same person while scum was targeting them with this power.

-Cerb

I am going to be whiny like abr was. cos i wanna see what happens.

@ mod - rylai was ejected from the game for saying stuff like this. can you at the very least give him a warning to cut this shit out? ty

this isn't even mafia anymore and hasn't been for a while don't think.

[Drunken Pirates]

I think you are desperate indie who has lied about their wc.

and that was not the first time you have said that.

oh oh oh mebbe whiny temper tantrums will get me what I want.

which is for you to shut up for 5 seconds and let town organize themselves.

LIKE STFU

eta: that is the third time you have told me to fuck off. you have a history too.

[Drunken Pirates]

can pple stop talking to the claimed indie right now ty

what is wrong with you pple

eta: @ drixx - titus posted that. I thought it was funny! given the situ. especially since you are wanting to lynch some1 who is most likely town for reasons based on temper tantrum throwing when another player has been doing the same thing. the push to lynch rylai was bullshit.

Fuck off mollie

, my analysis is fucking perfect and what I'm saying makes perfect sense. I'm a goddamn fucking asset to this town and stop fucking wasting me by making me have NO fucking reason to actually try to solve the game.

Anyways. it's possible that DGB is just dumb town and didn't claim D1 like she should have, and then got in too far and realized if she claimed town would just auto lynch her.

It's also possible Shiro/ZZZX are scum, one or both of them(more likely shiro than zzzx in this scenario), and they've corroborated the suspicions I voiced earlier in order to get DGB mislynched. This is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.

Finally, it COULD be a coincidence. Town could have got really really unlucky here, and just happened to target the same person while scum was targeting them with this power.

-Cerb

I am going to be whiny like abr was. cos i wanna see what happens.

@ mod - rylai was ejected from the game for saying stuff like this. can you at the very least give him a warning to cut this shit out? ty

this isn't even mafia anymore and hasn't been for a while don't think.

[Drunken Pirates]

can pple stop talking to the claimed indie right now ty

what is wrong with you pple

eta: @ drixx - titus posted that. I thought it was funny! given the situ. especially since you are wanting to lynch some1 who is most likely town for reasons based on temper tantrum throwing when another player has been doing the same thing. the push to lynch rylai was bullshit.

Fuck off mollie

, my analysis is fucking perfect and what I'm saying makes perfect sense. I'm a goddamn fucking asset to this town and stop fucking wasting me by making me have NO fucking reason to actually try to solve the game.

Anyways. it's possible that DGB is just dumb town and didn't claim D1 like she should have, and then got in too far and realized if she claimed town would just auto lynch her.

It's also possible Shiro/ZZZX are scum, one or both of them(more likely shiro than zzzx in this scenario), and they've corroborated the suspicions I voiced earlier in order to get DGB mislynched. This is EXTREMELY UNLIKELY.

Finally, it COULD be a coincidence. Town could have got really really unlucky here, and just happened to target the same person while scum was targeting them with this power.

-Cerb

I am going to be whiny like abr was. cos i wanna see what happens.

@ mod - rylai was ejected from the game for saying stuff like this. can you at the very least give him a warning to cut this shit out? ty

this isn't even mafia anymore and hasn't been for a while don't think.

whoops

[Drunken Pirates]

Oh, that reminds me. What part of this isn't mafia? The part where you keep trying to ignore me, but I keep making myself relevant? That sounds like mafia. How about the part where you keep trying to encourage the town to ignore me, but I keep saying things that should be listened to? That also sounds like mafia.

This exchange though, it isn't mafia. So yeah we should move on. Maybe you could actually answer questions I ask you, instead of ignoring me like you've done for the last few days, even before we made our claim.

Like why you claim to be indy friendly, yet demand our slots head.
Why you lied about us hammering.
Or maybe just something simpler, like why your slot announced the shiro was conftown DAYS ago. I'm inclined to believe that now, if DGB is scum, but WHY did you think that way back then?
Or maybe you could tell me why you're so incredibly certain that it made NO sense for us to be suspicious of you after D1, even though it was demonstrated that MANY people in the game had no idea you were claiming to be conftown at 10 players.


All you do is throw out thoughts and ideas, and when I prove you wrong and tell you why you're wrong and

try to shove the truth down your throat,

you...you just ignore me. It's like you feel your points can't be countered, and if they are countered, well, the person making the counterpoint must be wrong and unworthy of your time.

-Cerb

That's the problem. You can't force your opinions down our throats. We have no interest in talking to you because it's not a discussion at all but you are an echo chamber unto yourself.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

No. You are not talking facts Cerb. You aren't. Your opinions are not facts. ABR's alignment isn't a fact. Nor is Zulfy's. Facts are things or events that happened. Your claim is not established as fact. Do not use the word fact so loosely.

You have ignored our answers to your questions. I frankly don't feel like repeating myself to someone who is only interested in a narrative.

Now I have work. If you want to help, be quiet.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@Cerb,

Like I said, every statement you asked about has been answered. You being lazy is not a reason for us to repeat ourselves. I don't believe you're town. Your statements all focus on your survival, which I think is detrimental to town here. You're obsessed with appearing town and being the smart one. Well guess what, everyone can be wrong. I am not going to be the vocal head of this hydra. Mollie has zero desire to talk to you. So do I when you're approaching things with the attitude of shoving what you are claiming to be the truth down our throats. I love logical discourse as much as the next person, but that's not what we'd get.

I see a missing kill and a sudden tree stump. To me, the logical conclusion is that you're a scum tree stumper. It certainly is the simplest one rather than buying you're a mystical third party with a changing claim. Throw in the extreme emphasis on survival, that makes you scum. Add in the resistance to your wagon, which would be unlikely if you were town wagoned, and things look situationally pretty decent for you to be scum. Why should I trust you when you're threatening my townreads?

If you are this third party that can win with town, just pretend you have a town pm if you die.

Ask us game tomorrow, with an open mind, if you want any chance to talk to us. I do not plan on responding to any future post by you this game day.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

I personally love being love told fuck you and that I am an idiot!

with no apologies!

[Drunken Pirates]

yoyo dgb claimed ascetic.

[Drunken Pirates]

I came in here wanting to vote dgb but that nk...that does not look like a dgb nk in any way shape or form. it looks like a newbscum trying to frame dgb. I'd say 2014 or some1 pretty young.

eta: @ yoyo - but does that honestly look like a dgb nk to you? I agree that dgb needs to claim tho.

[Drunken Pirates]

Follow up - actually, people wouldn't kill zyyy to frame DGB. Zyyy was about to rolecop Shiro when he died. So either they were trying to frame her, or they just didn't want Shiro to be confirmed (in the process confirming Sensei and semi-confirming Zulfy), or else Shiro killed him to stop the investigation.

I can see that. it wld just be a weird nk for her but mebbe she reall doesn't give a flying fuck its just if she were scum I wld think she wld be a little more crazy and freestyle.

why are cleared town not getting nked? or universally townread like you, abr, zulfy ot loki.

the nk just smells like newbscum but i dunno I can be down with a dgb lynch I guess. that is who I was leaning towards but something just ain't right.

[Drunken Pirates]

Keep in mind it's probably not 1 scum left, though.

I don't I ever said there was... :/

yeah but dgb is fun as scum i wld be following her lead. the only way I can see her as scum is if she doesn't care and some1 else made the decision. like i said...several times I was wanting to vote her but I wanna hear her full claim and I wld like some explanations.

[Drunken Pirates]

Zulfy is like the opposite of town.

@ varsoona - can there plz be a penalty for players who constantly post out of their hydra and don't pick up? thank you!

[Drunken Pirates]

Normally I'd agree that scum don't like to kill who they're scumreading so dgb making a kill there does seem strange but it's weakened when you consider she's not making kills just for herself and that zzzx was a cop. That's all.

I wld think she wld nk yoyo for lulz cos "yoyo" and cos I wld literally have no1 to talk to.

I think the game is about ready to get really stupid and I think we are just mostly going to wait it out. we will put our 2 cents in every now to give the pretense of being productive but I don't think it really matters tbh.

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie
If things are getting stupid mind saying what exactly is getting stupid instead of basically acting like some god that doesn't need to work or do anything to help the town?
You are not acting pro-town. You are not aiding us. And you are really getting on my nerves.

so I am acting like a god by doing what exactly? by saying that I am very demotivated and no1 cares what I think?

I think it is stupid to give the mc to abr *shrug*

I think it is stupid to lynch/stump person "a" for the sole reason to figure out person "b"'s alignment. there are discussions in md about how dumb this is.

I think it is rude to not tell your party where you are taking them, sensei cld have been more courteous.

I think it was stupid to keep the majority of the game out of the public's eye.

I think it is stupid to get paranoid shld likely be treated as confirmed town at this point, insisting "oh no1 is confirmed town" when well itelpip is and that was kind of who i wanted to talk to today just to get her perspective altho i get the feeling she has checked out.

i am worm poop in this game so your whole "you think you are a god" is wrong, stupid and lame. which is part of whats wrong. titus is putting together a list of all claimed actions in the entire game so we can somehow map things out to form some kind of global picture. so yeah we are doing stuff probably more work than most of the pple in the game.

I wld say that I am being pretty protown in that I am not playing from survivalistic egocentric mindset, I am not wanting to add to the clutter of the game and I am not super ready to trust an indie overtown. <---- if me saying this get on your nerves then so be it. I tried to iso you in the night round and I felt like I was going crazy cos I cldn't find things that I knew you had said. then I realized they were under your main then I realized HOW MANY OF YOUR POSTS were under your main hence why i am asking varsoona to take stronger measures.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Drixx,

To that end, when did you pick Double Slash, N1 or N0? Your last post was a little unclear to me in that regard.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Drixx,

To that end, when did you pick Double Slash, N1 or N0? Your last post was a little unclear to me in that regard.

...

Don't answer that. Please. Cuz she's clearly asking "Are you a doctor now?"

Which isn't exactly something you should answer.

mollie, I'm sorry about our iso. I thought I picked up all the posts wgeurts missed.

-Cerb

Nope. Regardless of the interpretation, Drixx should already have picked up Deflect on N2 or N3. Believe me, I did think before asking that.

~Titus

[Drunken Pirates]

@Mollie - Has your view on TCC changed at all? Assuming they are 3rd party and not scum fake claiming, their claim incentivizes them to play to town win condition now that no town Vigs seem to be left (or else they would be dead).

@Titus - You routinely review games for balance and such. What do you think of my thoughts on Shiro's role and the probability of one of those names being a town player in game and the other being given to scum as a fake claim?

I am going to answer the question to titus: varsoona has said in thread, "the game is not bastard and there are no mod lies in this game".

this means that the game is not bastard.

this means that there are no fakeclaims where town are being told that some1 is town when they aren't.

so unless you wanna go with shiro/sensei/zulfy all masterminding this plan starting d1 as scum and centering their whole gameplay around it (when the numbers don't check out) then no, you are wrong.

I am taking the game 1 step at a time and not whipping myself up in some paranoid fantasy to support my delusional thought processes. been there done that I WON A TIARA FOR BEING THE QUEEN OF IT and what I have learned is to slow down, look at what has happened, wait for unfinished claims or pple to explain their night actions or what is going on from their perspective.

I haven't made up my mind about cuke pple I am looking at other things right now.

[Drunken Pirates]

so i have a question...fi drixx's role got sparked doesn't that mean he wld have had a killing role? and that it wld be required by cuke pple's wc to treestump him?

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie also has a point there. If you wanna say that zulfy, myself and shiro are in some sort of combination of cahoots - why have shiro claim miller when that's pretty much a policy lynch and would screw us all over before lylo anyway?

That would be either the most genius or plain dumb plan ever and I appreciate the compliment to my scum game (not that any of you would know what my scum game looks like) but yea no that's not what's happening here we can move on from that.

There's an off chance that zulfy is scum, yea. And his mates told him to claim liza but that's pretty risky. But he was getting lynched anyway so it's meh I suppose.
Shiro and FA when she was here in particular just feel really town to me.

shiro did not receive fakeclaims as confirmed town when varsoona said there are no lies it means there are no lies, plz ditch the "in the off chance zulfy is scum" cos no. plz?

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm trying to ditch it. Why do you think zulf is partying with me?

can treestump pple go on your party? probably not but it might be worth asking.

[Drunken Pirates]

Varsoon refused to answer this question no matter how I phrased it. TCC claims that it's only people who have a killing ability on their role card.

and you don't find that fishy? like

at all?

[Drunken Pirates]

- which being the MC is my fucking choice and not yours -

Sensei, it was bad play to switch everyone and not even tell us before. It was anti-town. I mean I might have chosen a different ability if I had known that. And it's bad play to give adventuring slots to people you discribe as "weaker town reads". All of these things are clearly mistakes, at best.

Drixx isn't being irrational calling you out about that. And you saying "Oh I get to do whatever I fucking want because I got elected

MC

abr and you don't get to question me" is not helpful.

I still think you're town, Sensei. But I don't think you should be MC anymore.

MC:Yosarian2

yoyo this is me trying to understand your thought processes, so cld you help me out here?

why is it okay for abr to play the way in which he has but it is antitown for sensei to do the same?

just curious.

[Drunken Pirates]

Like I'm still townreading you all.
And you've all been posting more in thread which is good for the game, rather than almost having two different game threads going on anyway. Which isn't something that I really expected to happen tbh but helps as well.

Same thing for DP. I think they're town (weakest of my townreads though) and having them post here is more healthy for the game then what they were doing day 2 which was having their thoughts exclusive to the party chat.

uh, that is not what happened...

go check. we posted way more here than in the party thread except for titus when I had asked her to not post in the thread.

[Drunken Pirates]

Oh, and yes, it also implies they have a kill of some sort/may have a kill of some sort at some point. IF you think that post by Varsoon was in any way prompted by DP.

-Cerb

It's almost certain DP is one of the "more than one" who inquired.

Assuming I would have gained a kill last night if I had hammered Skybird (neither confirming nor denying), I would have asked the party for their top 3 scum reads and decided based upon that. It's a hypothetical though ... it didn't happen.

uh no we weren't. you are lying through your goddamn asshole. why the lie drixx? it sounds like you are the 1 who is scared.

but I think the obvsly most intelligent, optimal play to do here is to lynch the IC before they have a chance to be mod confirmed that way you know that they are the IC.

[Drunken Pirates]

Oh, and yes, it also implies they have a kill of some sort/may have a kill of some sort at some point. IF you think that post by Varsoon was in any way prompted by DP.

-Cerb

It's almost certain DP is one of the "more than one" who inquired.

Assuming I would have gained a kill last night if I had hammered Skybird (neither confirming nor denying), I would have asked the party for their top 3 scum reads and decided based upon that. It's a hypothetical though ... it didn't happen.

uh

we didn't. you are lying.

and if you are scum aligned and YOU are the 1 who pmed varsoona and then trying to use the mod communication against us that is breaking the spirit of the game. we wld never ask that cos we wld never need to.

[Drunken Pirates]

Mollie, he's making assumptions. He obviously doesn't know what you asked, but based on the timing of what Varsoon said and the context of your previous posts, it was a reasonable assumption to make.

Sensei: probably because he was on V/LA?

-Cerb

wld you like to talk about how you know that titus asked varsoona something and then explain how drixx wld know that titus did?

what drixx did is the biggest bunch of bullshit and you know it.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Flum - It doesn't matter; you thought you could hammer and didn't. You realize you are critiquing a post where I'm saying I don't like the "either skybird or flum must be scum" thinking, and then go on to give reasons why Skybird and you are probably town. You realize I put both of you in my probably town pile right?

Oh, and yes, it also implies they have a kill of some sort/may have a kill of some sort at some point. IF you think that post by Varsoon was in any way prompted by DP.

-Cerb

It's almost certain DP is one of the "more than one" who inquired.

Assuming I would have gained a kill last night if I had hammered Skybird (neither confirming nor denying), I would have asked the party for their top 3 scum reads and decided based upon that. It's a hypothetical though ... it didn't happen.

uh no we weren't. you are lying through your goddamn asshole. why the lie drixx? it sounds like you are the 1 who is scared.

but I think the obvsly most intelligent, optimal play to do here is to lynch the IC before they have a chance to be mod confirmed that way you know that they are the IC.

Umm... I was speculating. Speculation by definition cannot be a lie. I also never for a moment suggested we lynch you or anything. I just thought it was interesting that at least two people were concerned about it but felt the need to ask privately.

Your slot seemed probable since one of you was role fishing me and I didn't just give you the info.

And Cerberus has it spot on. I'm going to be a lot more stream of consciousness in the main thread because I don't have any other place I can leave random thoughts that might help if I get killed. It's absurd how well Cerb knows me.

yeah...saying that "I am almost certain dp is the 1 who asked about rose impale!" is most definitely NOT speculation it is an a definitive statement and it most certainly is a lie. titus never mentioned "rose impale" or anything of the sort and how do you and cuke pple go from "titus is fishing for a doc claim" to "titus is worried about being shot" when we haven't been all game.

I am just going to straight up ask, you and cuke pple have a pt to talk about things don't you?

[Drunken Pirates]

Did you just accuse Cerberus and Myself of being completely without integrity and violating site rules and essentially cheating? After earlier in the game telling us how terrible we are? Wow.

I am asking if you and cuke pple have a pt?

[] yes
[] no

cos you both have dropped enough hints that it certainly implies that!

so far you have used mod communication when we never asked to try to paint us as scummy and then mischaracterized what I said to you so I am preemptively saying I won't be answering any of your questions and titus won't be either cos it seems like you ask her a question and then try to leap all over her.

the latest paranoia from titus is that abr is a scum doc and I am like "HOLY JESUS FUCK LET IT GO HE IS TOWN" and I am not even an abr fan but I ain't standing in the way of his almighty mcship anymore.

[Drunken Pirates]

I have no PT with the Cool Cucumbers.

I do speak to Cerberus via text, on Teamspeak and via Slack on a daily basis. We are extremely careful never to violate site rules in our conversations, and I keep a raw log of everything we say on Slack. Any game mod may ask me for the compete raw log at any time and I will happily turn it over.

We're not cheaters, and I'm really bothered that you even went there.

I am not talking about your OOG communication and you trying to paint it like I am looks sad and desperate. cos I never implied that, i asked whether or not if you were in a pt with cuke pple. cos there are a bunch of red flags here!

but I can wait it out and be patient.

[Drunken Pirates]

@Pirate Mollie: I don't know you well. I don't believe we've played before this game. For whatever reason, you appear to have an intense hate-on for me. I don't care about the why really, or whose fault it is or any of that. I just want to bury it. I would much rather be your friend and learn from you than be upset with you. If you find yourself angry at the game, please go do something else and come back and post when it won't be in a negative mindset or contributing to a negative mindset. Don't let a game that's supposed to be fun take you to a bad place. I'll do the same. Perhaps our shared enjoyment of this game and a little common ground can be nurtured into a friendship.

I will consider this a reachout. at least i hope it is 1.

stop trying to turn me scumhunting you into something personal plz? cos it isn't.

ty <3

[Drunken Pirates]

Psst sensei should I babel crumble Yosarian?

No. He's mine.

I have theories about this I have been sitting on for days! and I agree about zulfy and have said this since forever.

liking hindu a lot more tho

[Drunken Pirates]

@Zulfy

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE: dgb

I was really hoping that to wake up to an apology from drixx considering I didn't do what drixx accused me of doing. that wld have been nice.

@ skybird - titus isn't here, I am, so no vca. sorry. and she isn't gonna post no matter how much yo and klingon whine about it.

@ zulfy - abr said that you and sensei were masons on d1 and rylai picked up on that and so...thought you guys were masons. I am pretty sure rylai explained this when I asked the same thing.

[Drunken Pirates]

I am ascetic.

I'm Fei-On, my power is called Swayback (which is a fist move from the game that dodges stuff) whatever the hell that is.

It's passive, I just dodge everything.

just keeping them all together for perspective

[Drunken Pirates]

Dgb whats your flavor name?

I'm Fei-On

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm not a fan of quick lynches, but..are we seriously going to wait around for DGB to show up and make 2 posts that don't address all the questions we've asked her, because she's clearly not following the game/acting like she's not following the game, once every 2 days?

-Cerb

DGB claimed Fei-on. She claimed to have a passive ability called Sway Back that makes her dodge everything/claimed to be ascetic. Nothing in her responses has indicated an explanation for why skybird is hated today.

there is also the fact that swayback is neither a fist nor dodge technique and that fist and dodge are 2 separate techniques. :/

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm not a fan of quick lynches, but..are we seriously going to wait around for DGB to show up and make 2 posts that don't address all the questions we've asked her, because she's clearly not following the game/acting like she's not following the game, once every 2 days?

-Cerb

DGB claimed Fei-on. She claimed to have a passive ability called Sway Back that makes her dodge everything/claimed to be ascetic. Nothing in her responses has indicated an explanation for why skybird is hated today.

there is also the fact that swayback is neither a fist nor dodge technique and that fist and dodge are 2 separate techniques. :/

Well, if you look up techniques in the game, swayback IS a fist technique, and it functions as a "counter", which would seem to indicate it's a triggered effect. i don't know if it's actually a "counterattack" or if it's simply a triggered evasive ability,but yeah. It is a fist technique in the game, it's just not one that we're allowed to spark in the mechanics of this mafia game...so, basically, that bit of flavor is null. There's also no reason why she couldn't have a fake claim for the flavor of her ability, when it's actually one of the techniques that is explicitly named as a counter attack.

-Cerb

where:

FIST: SLIDING > SUPLEX > BABEL CRUMBLE > GIANT SWING > DREAM SUPER COMBO

[Drunken Pirates]

If you google "Saga frontier sway back" you'll find it. As I said, it's NOT a technique in this game. It IS a technique in Saga Frontier.

-Cerb

okay so what is in the video game is pretty irrelevant to what is in THIS game.

and i am seeing what is probably why we have such a problem with communication is that I see this as being pedantic for pedantic's sake and see it is as just cluttering up the convo with useless info while I think in your mind you are just trying to be "correct". I understand this a little bit better now after spending hours talking to titus who does the same thing.

I think dgb needs death. I have thought so ever since her fei to claim but found it interesting how every1 sort of bought dgb's claim and the renewed fervor, typical bullying to lynch whoever abr wanted to when that is obvsly not the correct play here. I was waiting to see who else wld pick up on the bs claim oh lookee here its yoyo I for 1 am shocked.

[Drunken Pirates]

So Zulfy intentionally straw mans me until I go to sleep because I'm tired of dealing with him.

Then while I'm asleep he is chainsaw WKing the hell out of DGB.

Guy's totally a town asset, amirite?

I am interested in ending the game as soon as possible which means lynching scum over anybody you have petty grievance towards.

where is my apology

[Drunken Pirates]

pedit: mollie, I agree that DGB needs death. This latest push on her comes from ME, after all. My point is merely that her claim is not damning, and it does not confirm her alignment or power. It is simply something which makes sense with her claim, but it does not explain her actions this game.

the push comes from all of us who are are pushing her can we NOT turn this into a dickwaving contest there has been enough of that already we are all (those of us who are pushing he) on the same page and we are all pretty!

her claim is damning in that it looks like she is goggled a fakeclaim and didn't look at the technique's list. plz stop this. pretty plz? you wanted to talk but you need to cut the wheat from the chaff if you truly are working for town and not clutter it up with things that don't actually apply!

[Drunken Pirates]

And mollie, yes, I'm being pedantic, not for it's own sake, but because you can't use the argument that "it's not in the game" as a point against someone, when something is, in fact, part of the source material for the game.

-Cerb

last time I am saying this:

source material /= game mechanics

varsoona has already explained this shit like 80 trillion times

it is drawn from the game but that doesn't mean you make up stuff from the source material to fit what pple want to believe to be true. someday I hope you move past this whole need to be "right".

you can think these things in your head but they do not help the game in any way in fact, it harms it cos some pple will run with it and it gives scum room to hide. focus on the game mechanics not source material plz.

the only reason I am arguing with you on this is cos it hurts the game, i have been down this road before, hundreds of times. I wld rather see you have the wisdom to not repeat the mistakes that others have made before you. they already fell flat on their face (I might be 1 of them) so that YOU won't have to.

[Drunken Pirates]

I, too, would like to see titus' vca.

too bad.

@ cerby - can you tell which 1s had techniques not on the list? do you have that handy?

[Drunken Pirates]

I'm not saying I would sheep her reads or anything but it would definitely help me read you guys.

dear fucking god

we have a confirmable role as we will be mod confirmed as in we will be IC as in the mod will say we are aligned with the protagonists in thread. this is not advanced organic chemistry II.

if you do not have a read on us by now then holy cow

[Drunken Pirates]

I actually haven't been keeping track. I know itlepip had that megawindgale or whatever, and GWS had dark phoenix I think it was called. I haven't looked those up myself though, to see what they actually do in the game, and I haven't played the game enough to know without looking it up.

All I'm saying, mollie, is that you said "x isn't in the game" as though it were relevant. "x" not being in the game *isn't* relevant, at all, it's null. That's it. I'm not saying it's a point for or against her, while you were mentioning it as though it were a point against her. I feel like you don't realize the impression you gave with that post, and you're misunderstanding my point here.

-Cerb

I am not interested in what isn't in THIS game.

not sure how I can be any more clear!

I read that megawingdale and dark phoenix were actual role names, not techniques tho? I just looked and that is how it reads to me. can you plz check to see if I am reading it correctly?

dgb is claiming those are her techniques, hence the difference hence why i say her claim is bad.

[Drunken Pirates]

Okay, I think see the confusion.

The abilities people have are named after techniques in the game as far as I can tell. People are thus using the word technique to describe powers from their role card, if they looked up their flavor at all. That is leading to confusion. The only TECHNIQUES in the game that are publicly known are the sparkable ones, listed at the start of the thread.

Other abilities might be referred to as techniques, but I think they're technically not for the purposes of this game.

Like, MegaWindBlast is a light magic technique, and energy chain is a realm magic technique, in the game, even though they aren't sparkable techniques here...

-Cerb

okay gotcha!

we might as well be vt this game we got and do nothing and zero night actions to help solve the game which is why it is going so slow for us to figure things out.

[Drunken Pirates]

okay gotcha!

we might as well be vt this game we got and do nothing and zero night actions to help solve the game which is why it is going so slow for us to figure things out.

That makes me even more curious why we aren't getting Titus' VCA. I personally think that it's a self-evident truth that an probabilistic argument based upon data from other games cannot be relied upon; however, there are aspects of the psychological things that motivate voting which I don't get. Titus clearly does get it though, because she's repeatedly analyzed Vote Counts and produced the right answers.

Please let her off the leash for this.

Also; I haven't got any idea what you want my apology for, but you have it. I'm the first person to say that I'm imperfect and the first to make peace.[/quote]

[Drunken Pirates]

That makes me even more curious why we aren't getting Titus' VCA. I personally think that it's a self-evident truth that an probabilistic argument based upon data from other games cannot be relied upon; however, there are aspects of the psychological things that motivate voting which I don't get. Titus clearly does get it though, because she's repeatedly analyzed Vote Counts and produced the right answers.

Please let her off the leash for this.

Also; I haven't got any idea what you want my apology for, but you have it. I'm the first person to say that I'm imperfect and the first to make peace.

no.

I will explain part of it when I get back from the store tho.

[Drunken Pirates]

Yea we're good to go. We need to flip both of them so why not?
This day has devolved into another pissing contest with a dash of rolespec.
It's over.

I agree on a double lynch today.

@mollie: re: advanced organic chemistry II- I'm taking that right now actually and tbqh, I think this game is harder to follow than that class lol...

YOU GOT ME THERE

UNVOTE:

not until i have had my say.

[Drunken Pirates]

dear pple who want a titus vc count:

no. you not gonna get it. not at this time.

if you don't like it that is too fucking bad.

@ cerby - cos you are the only 1 I feel like talking to at this moment. do you know what changed that? in the middle of mine and drixx's shitwar you stepped in and clarified to drixx what I had actually said. that more than anything drixx said that you 2 probably did not have a pt. it was your kindness that has drawn me in cos it diffused a potential nuclear situation.

this has been a learning experience for both of us. titus wanted to hydra cos she is having trouble with some of the more experienced players and she knows the position she is in. so she asked for help. I said i wanted to understand how she vcas. it has been my experience that her vcas are only about 30-40% correct, you can't have 4 players in a vca pool with 8 players left and 2 scum lol. and yet i have been looking at the games that pple give her accolades for and that is what is happening. the times I have seen titus nail a scumteam is when she went by gut and let go of logic, but I think she feels the need to quantify it in a language that pple will find palatable by using terms like "logic", "facts" and "evidence".

what has been interesting is how we have very different definitions of these words. it hit me last night what hindu said about his brother being he a lawyer and him becoming a doctor that the fundamental difference between how titus and i approach and define things is that she uses these terms for persuasion while I use them in there purity cos I am a lot more science oriented. 1 way is not better than the other they are just different.

titus is not posting right now cos she is eyeball deep in paranoia and cannot knock herself out of a scum!abr read. her scumreads right now are abr/cerby/drixx I kid you not. titus does not know how to recognize tonality so to her all emotion is fakeable. I am like nonono, I think abr is playing from a scum self serving agenda but he is town. drixx's meltdown was town. but i know where she is at cos she got like this we didn't playtest this and drove every1 nuts. I have told her to wait it out.

and she has helped me with my paranoia. last night I whispered, "do you think yoyo is a traitor and he needed the ring to join the scum faction" and she was like, "I have been all over the place with yoyo I am not going there shut up" and I was so proud.

another thing I am learning from titus is how to teach, how my frustration, crankiness and overall mean old bitchy behaviour is not helping the players or the game that I am trying to serve. she doesn't explicitly say this, instead i notice that titus doesn't really get mean no matter how much shit is thrown at her. and I have seen some srs shit. i always thought she just didn't recognize it but no, she does. titus may look like she is made of iron but I have seen a different side of her, the self-doubt, the "why is every1 so mean to me!" and of course my response is "who cares FUCK 'EM" lolololol.

we are sorting things out in the best way we know how. the agreement right now is to have 1 head post and yes I am taking in what she says, where do you think the cerb/drixx pt thing came from? it wasn't even on my radar until she pointed it out and then I was like "oh yeah I can see that" and followed through. unfortunately she still reads them as scum. I am in violent disagreement and she has admitted to not trusting her reads right now and ine are pretty soupy.

so we are learning and exploring the game together while being essentially vt cos we have no kewl powahz but we will be modconfirmed. it is a beautiful process and i sort of resent other pple trying to interfere with it. y'all are taking a giant dump on me, on this hydra and titus as well. you are just going to have to be patient.

that is all.

[Drunken Pirates]

yoyo I told you our role was overpowered d1 which is why i didn't believe abr oh lookee he was lying. what you are doing is discrediting anything I try to do and this crap is what has been happening all game it is why I feel demotivated. any attempt do anything and then it is "omg titus's vca" and "dp might be scum" and ignoring every single fucking thing I say. you can't fuss at me fr not townreading you and then turn around and misread us when I am claiming IC and it will be established well before lylo.

like no. you shld know me better than this.

anyways no1 cares for my input so whatevs.

[Drunken Pirates]

yoyo I told you our role was overpowered d1 which is why i didn't believe abr oh lookee he was lying. what you are doing is discrediting anything I try to do and this crap is what has been happening all game it is why I feel demotivated. any attempt do anything and then it is "omg titus's vca" and "dp might be scum" and ignoring every single fucking thing I say. you can't fuss at me fr not townreading you and then turn around and misread us when I am claiming IC and it will be established well before lylo.

like no. you shld know me better than this.

anyways no1 cares for my input so whatevs.

I'm not "discrediting" you, Mollie.

I did already agree that we're not going to go after you until you have a chance to prove yourself "confirmed" at 10 people left like you promised, so if it goes the way you said it was going to go, you have nothing to worry about.

I am not worried about confirmable, I am not looking forward to having another cple of days where i have no1 to talk to cos of the constant discrediting and yes you are yoyo, you really are.

we have been cut off from a large part of the game.

we have no night actions to do any sorting. I forgot how much I hate fucking playing IC altho in this scenario it is for entirely different reasons.

[Drunken Pirates]

can some1 plz explain to me why a cumulative bp wld need a bodyguard and why flum did not point this out?

[Drunken Pirates]

can some1 plz explain to me why a cumulative bp wld need a bodyguard and why flum did not point this out?

[Drunken Pirates]

can some1 plz explain to me why a cumulative bp wld need a bodyguard and why flum did not point this out?

Guessing the setup etc.

can you plz break this down for me exactly what you mean?

[Drunken Pirates]

@Flum: It's actually not too bad difficulty-wise but I'm not too fond of it.

anyways no1 cares for my input so whatevs.

I do.

plz stay around. i don't even know what your alignment is idc just plz stick around.

ugh

[Drunken Pirates]

If its a passive ability, it would make sense to not put it in the technique list, due to the mechanics of this particular game.

I figure shes telling the truth because Sky targeted her and got blocked, corroborates.

Im defending her because I dont want a mislynch, regardless of how the mislynchee is conducting themself

Then after I'm lynched and flip town. Everyone should turbo-lynch you.

see i kinda feel like THIS is a scumclaim.

[Drunken Pirates]

Why do you see this as a scum claim? Dude is willing to give DGB a break on how she is conducting herself, but wants me to hang regardless of me conducting myself pretty much like DGB. Hell, I've been trying to leave town as many clues as possible to think about after I flip. You guys need to look who has been yelling for my head.

I think it is a scumclaim cos when scum are going down they:

1. threaten town with their inevitable lynch
2. single out 1 of the most obvs town players and scream "lynch this instantly" in the face of their inevitable lynch.

mebbe I am jaded but it is pretty textbook of scum. like I have seen this so many times.

nor are you doing the braindump that yoyo thinks we shld be lynching dgb for.

[Drunken Pirates]

VOTE: dgb

[Drunken Pirates]

Drunken pirates why dont you get mod confirmed?

Wasnt the whole point of MCing ABR to protect him? Isnt the fact that hes still alive kinda shady?

this has been explained like 20 billion times. even in the last 10 pages or so.

[Drunken Pirates]

Just realized that if skybird is actually hated I could do the deed right now.

If she's not actually hated and only DGB is lynched then that confirms Skybird as scum lol

okay cos I swear that looks like a scum going down post.

I pointed out she didn't do a brain dump and then she disappeared.

VOTE: skybird

[Drunken Pirates]

@ zulfy - we will be resolved at 10 pple, waaaaaay before lylo.

[Drunken Pirates]

Really Mollie? I went to bed. Maybe I should put that in bigger font.

I went to bed. I'm working 12-14 hour days and I'm tired!

Mollie, your hydra play is anti-town at best. You keep AtE that no one is listening to you. I get that you don't think it's effective. I disagree though. And as has been pointed out already, in SU Titus was very slow with VCA because she was scum. My question to you is are you not letting Titus post because she doesn't want to do VCA or are you really playing a strange game? I was town-reading your slot at the beginning of the game but now I don't think you are.

really. mebbe if you were going to bed and had intentions of doing a brain dump you cld have said, "hey guys, I am going to bed right now but I will do a brain dump in the morning" cos we don't have control of your time, YOU do. <------ protip, this is called BEING RESPONSIBLE. especially when you are working 12 - 14 hours every single day. cos i don't think a day has gone by where you have not complained about this or used it as an excuse. if you are having that much trouble keeping up in a game, replace out.

You won't let Titus post or do VCA.

and this is why I will roast you with joy cos it seems reading comprehension is a problem for you. but lemme put it in big font:

TITUS DOES NOT WANT TO POST NOW COS HER MIND IS EATEN UP WITH PARANOIA RIGHT NOW AND WE HAVE AGREED TO LET 1 HEAD POST FOR NOW WHICH IS ME THIS MEANS YOU HAVE TO DEAL WITH ME AND NOT SIT ON YOUR ASS AND WHINE ABOUT MISSING TITUS AND NOT ATTEMPT TO DEAL WITH ME EXCEPT TO ASK "OH WHY IS THAT POST SCUMMY" AND THEN DISAPPEAR.

.

like if you wld have read my big long post you wld have seen that but thanks for proving my point that pple aren't reading my posts!

if you are trying to read a hydra based on whether or not titus is doing her vca then you are doing it wrong. I genuinely hope you get better. if we were scum I wld have let titus take over the thread and if she was hesitant on doing a vca i wld have coached her about timing and doing it anyway lol cos I know that is 1 way to catch her out.

anyways I am tired and too exhausted with this game to deal with another emotional bs breakdown. guess what? large font again:

titus feels the same way!

she was tired yesterday. there will be a time when she is gonna post and you have to be patient. too bad you cldn't!

thanks for singling me out with your aspersions despite 4 other pple scumreading you, lack of reading comprehension and lack of engagement cos this ain't engagement. whats funny is that it probably wldn't have taken much to get me to move our vote to dgb cos she looks scummy too but alas, this was not it.

[Drunken Pirates]

I just felt uneasy with the Cucumbers possibly stumping someone. Thats 4 possible deaths over a day cycle. Makes me nervous

I think your thing won't count, but let's posit a world where it does: How would there be 4 deaths in the day and night cycle?

DGB lynch = 1
Successful NK = 2
Stump = 3 (and unlike you, I believe TCC can be trusted to only stump if enough of us say they should)

What would be the 4th?

why wld there suddenly be 2 successful nks?

[Drunken Pirates]

Stump Flum. Nobody should have an auto bodyguard.

not when they have cumulative bp shots!

[Drunken Pirates]

Stump Flum. Nobody should have an auto bodyguard.

not when they have cumulative bp shots!