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VOTE: Skybird
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In post 67, Spiffeh wrote:Sky's wagon is stupid even for RVS standards and I'm curious as to why people are choosing that one over Froggy.
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In post 71, Spiffeh wrote:And can't say I'm a fan of Froggy's one content post.
Froggy why lilith over anyone else on your wagon?
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In post 73, Spiffeh wrote:I just tried to think of a reason for disliking the Skybird wagon but I can't so I'm just going to stop.
I approve of competing Skybird-Frogger wagons.
But Frogger is scummier.
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In post 77, Spiffeh wrote:In post 72, acryon wrote:Do you take issue with the fact that he only has one content post, or you have an issue with the post?
The post itself.
It looks like he noticed a wagon forming and was like "Oh I better do something" and focused his attention on how to handle the paint mechanic. I expect more.
What do you think of this?
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Except he is one of the few people that had even done anything. Not sure I ever like the idea of punishing activity, especially this early.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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In post 82, Spiffeh wrote:lol
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In post 90, Spiffeh wrote:In post 81, acryon wrote:
Except he is one of the few people that had even done anything. Not sure I ever like the idea of punishing activity, especially this early.
How is this punishing activity? So I should not push someone I am scum reading just because they might have more posts than someone else? Do you not see a problem with this approach?
PEdit: Froggy sorry you drew scum this game
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In post 99, Davsto wrote:When did I say I didn't want you colour flipped? It was more of a general comment than anything else. No-one 100% thinks you're scum 4 pages in. At least I hope not.
At one point is anyone 100% thinking someone is scum, especially on D1? At what point does everyone know X is scum?
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I was going to wait until he actually responded to me, but now that others are just jumping right in I feel less of a need to wait.
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In post 122, Fro99er wrote:Both of them are chainsawing the wagon on me - specifcally at spiffeh.
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In post 125, Spiffeh wrote:
In post 121, Fro99er wrote:Also, Davsto and Acryon worry me.
I think Acryon just doesn't know how I operate, so that's mostly null.
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In post 139, Aeronaut wrote:In post 106, acryon wrote:I was going to wait until he actually responded to me, but now that others are just jumping right in I feel less of a need to wait.
VOTE: Spiffeh
So... what? The wagon starts moving, and suddenly it makes more sense for you to just vote him instead of listening for the responses you wanted in the first place?
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I don't like the idea of anyone goading anyone else into voting for them. Others have said it, but we need to be looking for red checks, not blue checks. Obviously color miller/godfather throws this stuff off, but there's still no reason for us to look for blue as it just means we have a slightly-conf town that is dying at night.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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In post 208, ChaosOmega wrote:In post 206, acryon wrote:I don't like the idea of anyone goading anyone else into voting for them. Others have said it, but we need to be looking for red checks, not blue checks. Obviously color miller/godfather throws this stuff off, but there's still no reason for us to look for blue as it just means we have a slightly-conf town that is dying at night.
Do you have a useful contribution, or is this it?
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In post 212, ChaosOmega wrote:In post 210, acryon wrote:You can read the other stuff I said before the walls.
I did. Are you going to make a case against Spiffeh other than what you've already posted? Because it's not convincing and it doesn't look like you're scumhunting otherwise.
I'm not interested in making a case against Spiffeh at the moment, because I think he did ok responding to the things that were asked of him. I ask questions when I feel there is a good question to be asked. I make observations when I feel I have something I want to say. Everybody has moments where they post and moments where they don't. Currently I'm not but will when I feel I have something to say.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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Let's talk though since you've inspired me.
In post 207, ChaosOmega wrote:
Point taken. Misremembered something from your ISO. I was thinking of your 79, but that's more resignment than anything. And your 62 pretty much closes that.
So was your push on AA in 162 solely to goad a reaction out of the slot or do you have actual reasons as well?
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In post 231, West9 wrote:
Davsto and Acryon's "100% sure" talk and weird defenses of Frogger are bad and lame.
You are lame.
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In post 248, SilverWolf wrote:TSO has been inactive like this as town in games I've been in with him before and never as scum. I'd rather flip someone else. I've played with him as scum enough, that while he's really good, I think I might be able to figure it out now if he is.
I'm always wary of these kinds of claims.
I dislike the idea of us color-flipping someone based on a perceived activity discrepancy from their meta.
I don't hate this:
In post 287, Spiffeh wrote:Actually I'm leaning back towards the lurkers that I'm ok with losing if scum decide to nightkill them as conf towns.
Skybird, lilith, West9, Mario
I think we should flip one of them.
I do think lurkers are a fine idea for a color-flip for exactly the reasons he mentions.
In post 281, T S O wrote:I kinda feel it's wasted on me? I know other people would like to see me flip blue, but I'd rather just verify myself by lynching scum.
Agree.
In post 296, Anxiety Attack wrote:Yeah, TSO is too worried about being flipped.
We must flip him today folks!!
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I don't necessarily want to be color-flipped as town either, because then it means scum are killing me at night and I don't get to play anymore.
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Does he need one?
Is there a reason you decided to step in here before letting him answer? Because yeah, he probably needs one.
Not enjoying the idea of this townblock. A bit too much reckless abandon in there for it to be beneficial to the town.
Especially given Skybird's replacement now, it seems odd to question her posting style as being different from normal town play, as it seems clear her life situation made this unavoidable. Meta sucks, and I say we go after another lurker who (in my opinion) has been very temporarily cleared by her RL. Yes, it's a null, but so is the meta argument in the first place.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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In post 490, MarioManiac4 wrote:
OK I'm reading and I'd like you all to hold up and ask you this.
Why does "I'm not scum this game" sound like something scum would say?
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In post 496, MarioManiac4 wrote:
I've played three games with frog (iirc). In all we were both town. And in all I correctly townread him (and coincidentally, he incorrectly scumread me.) When I looked at a frog scumread I didn't get the same vibe.
It was because of his tone. It's something I can't explain and don't expect you to sheep.
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In post 503, West9 wrote:
This raises alarms. Spiff and AA are kinda proposing that we flip the same people for the same reasons, and you're praising one and vilifying the other.
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In post 509, West9 wrote:In post 475, Anxiety Attack wrote:West-those names are a list of people not playing much if at all so I want to see their color.
Nah, I still don't see a difference in these two ideologies that's big enough for you to say that one is bad and the other is good.In post 287, Spiffeh wrote:Actually I'm leaning back towards the lurkers that I'm ok with losing if scum decide to nightkill them as conf towns.
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In post 510, West9 wrote:Like, I might be reading this wrong, but you're responding to a post where AA says "we shouldn't flip TSO for these reasons" by saying "the reasons AA has for wanting to flip TSO are bad." So, it's silly on a couple of levels.
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In post 513, Anxiety Attack wrote:Hey acryon, why don't you ask about it? West is right. I mostly want to flip those barely playing because I'm willing to bet there is scum in there. I'm also scumreading some of those players. I'm scumreading you for your weird insistence on calling us out on this BS point, your defense of Skybird who I know quite well not only from here but offsite, and your casting shade on any sore of townblock formation. Like, recklessness is a town tell as far as I'm concerned so that's not a reason to not like players who have played together and are townreading each other to try to work together.
Anything else, ask instead of assume because assuming just makes an ass out of U and you.
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Why do I need to ask about it when I can read what you wrote?
And I told you and everyone else I agree with going after nulls/lurkers like any other daycop would. My issue was never with that idea, it was with the initial idea which was a desire to flip Skybird based on a meta issue.
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In post 518, West9 wrote:
Nah, I still think that interpreting this as "a perceived activity discrepancy from their meta" is ridiculous and something you're doing to try and throw shit on AA.In post 248, SilverWolf wrote:TSO has been inactive like this as town in games I've been in with him before and never as scum. I'd rather flip someone else.
P-EDIT: Oh, you're talking about the Skybird vote? Is that why you quoted silverwolf's post about TSO and the skybird vote? To make a point about the skybird vote?
Ahhhhhh. Now that I am reading my post I see why that makes little sense. I took issue with SW's claim of being able to figure out TSO's alignment. Seperately, I took issue with the AA post about Skybird. I must have thought I quoted 249 and didn't.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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In post 520, Anxiety Attack wrote:Well it's really quite obvious to me acryon you ask for clarification on something instead of confusing he issue and muddying the waters. West seemed to get a different interpretation of what we meant than you did, so the logical progression of that is you continue to assume something that may or may not be true or you ask us what we meant.
I mean this is just simple logic and I'm surprised I need to even explain it.
This issue appears to be that I left out a quote. I don't agree that I misunderstood you.
As far as being reckless is concerned, feel free at any time to question our methods and add your own input. My problem w you is you put doubt on people trying to work with their townreads and I fail to see much town motivation in that.
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In post 528, Fro99er wrote:In post 485, acryon wrote:Not enjoying the idea of this townblock. A bit too much reckless abandon in there for it to be beneficial to the town.
Especially given Skybird's replacement now, it seems odd to question her posting style as being different from normal town play, as it seems clear her life situation made this unavoidable. Meta sucks, and I say we go after another lurker who (in my opinion) has been very temporarily cleared by her RL. Yes, it's a null, but so is the meta argument in the first place.
This is scum with skybird.
Is placing me as a scumbuddy with Skybird for a blatant defense really the best you have? Like do you really have to call it out? This isn't groundbreaking stuff. Anyone can read the post and see I'm very clearly principally against some of the reasons for her wagon.
In post 604, hiplop wrote:this supposed townblock is giving me the heebie jeebies
Glad I'm not the only one.
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Yikes a lot of *big* personalities here.
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In post 653, Fro99er wrote:I'm not staying in.
Mafia is a shitty game that makes people disrespectful and treat each other like shit.
I fucking hate it.
If your RL is going to cause you to take a break from the game because you're upset, that's fine; take the break. The only reason anyone is upset is because you chose to stay in the game and engage a player who was already getting under your skin while you were (understandably) feeling upset IRL. Just step away for a day and come back.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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Eh yeah I don't actually hate a color-flip on TSO. I suck at reading him too.
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In post 787, hiplop wrote:town dav wouldn't say something like that
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In post 824, hiplop wrote:quite a few.
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In post 831, hiplop wrote:In post 826, acryon wrote:In post 824, hiplop wrote:quite a few.
Do you often place a lot of emphasis on meta/experience?
lots? no. Some? yes.
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In post 836, RadiantCowbells wrote:In post 830, acryon wrote:
I didn't even see RC voted for me... Come on, RC.
don't 'come on' me.
if you didn't want to be voted, then you shouldn't have rolled scum.
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In post 875, Anxiety Attack wrote:DGB and awesome need to go. I agree. Spiffeh, you know hiplop but ika seems to think he's spazzy when he's town like he is now.
Eh, he played like this the one game I recall playing with him and he was scum.
In post 872, Spiffeh wrote:I know some people won't like this but the timing of Skybird's replace out REALLY does not sit well with me.
In post 471, Skybird wrote:I finally caught up.
DGB, you always scum read me. Maybe you should read some of my games you weren't in and check my alignment in them to get a better read on me.
Town reads so far: Frogger, Spiffeh, Aero.
I don't know if I'm going to be able to keep up this game.
In this post, Skybird does say she might not be able to keep up.
But then she replaces out like 11 posts later. It's not like there were pages and pages since her last post, so what exactly happened in those 11 posts that caused her to make the decision that she was only considering before?
It was the three votes she accumulated within those 11 posts!!!!!!!
What's sketchy here is that when the game is actually fast paced when she posts the above, she is still waffling on whether to replace out. But then when 11 posts crop up within 7 hours, THAT'S when she decides to replace out. This makes it very clear that it was the votes on her that made her replace out.
Even throwing all of this away, her few content posts were really cookie cutter and mostly full of excuses.
And I think hiplop faked frustration at being suspected "because he wasn't given a chance".
To be fair, a gameisharder to keep up with when people think you're scum. If you're town and no one suspects you, there's less pressure. If you're town and suspected, there is a lot of pressure, and often a lot of back and forth. Skybird could very well have replaced out because of the votes on her and it still wouldn't make her scum. [I now just read that RC already sort of said this. Leaving it anyway.]
In post 881, Spiffeh wrote:In post 880, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Are you saying you scum read me in History Mafia for going all out toe to toe with you and now you're scum reading me here for not doing anything? Or have I missed something?
THIS IS AWFUL HOLY SHIT
Why is this awful?
In post 899, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alright, so I'm going to try and provide short catch ups as I go along. There is no way I will get it all done tonight and I'm going to try and avoid asking questions because it's most likely out of date and they've probably already been asked at some point. It's mostly for me to get a handle on the game.
First 5 pages - I'm unsure on AA. I didn't like their reasoning around the Sky and Fro99er wagons (66) (there were people, like Aero, who also jumped on the Sky wagon with very little/no reasoning). I didn't know how to feel about offering to be colour flipped and seeming so assured that them flipping blue would confirm them as town, I also thought they WIFOM'ed with the first post pretty hard and it felt like cheeky scum. I don't know, I just have a bad gut feeling about the slot so far.
I'm liking Spiffeh early game; I particularly like his 67/73[/post] - feels like impulsive town, not so sure that scum would post so freely.
Don't particularly like Davsto's set up talk early on, but I like the reasoning behind his push on Spiffeh, even if I don't agree with it.
Umm, Awesome and Aero could be town, Acryon and Lilith could be scum. Everyone else is a blend of meh.
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Hey BBT:
In post 918, acryon wrote:
In post 899, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alright, so I'm going to try and provide short catch ups as I go along. There is no way I will get it all done tonight and I'm going to try and avoid asking questions because it's most likely out of date and they've probably already been asked at some point. It's mostly for me to get a handle on the game.
First 5 pages - I'm unsure on AA. I didn't like their reasoning around the Sky and Fro99er wagons (66) (there were people, like Aero, who also jumped on the Sky wagon with very little/no reasoning). I didn't know how to feel about offering to be colour flipped and seeming so assured that them flipping blue would confirm them as town, I also thought they WIFOM'ed with the first post pretty hard and it felt like cheeky scum. I don't know, I just have a bad gut feeling about the slot so far.
I'm liking Spiffeh early game; I particularly like his 67/73[/post] - feels like impulsive town, not so sure that scum would post so freely.
Don't particularly like Davsto's set up talk early on, but I like the reasoning behind his push on Spiffeh, even if I don't agree with it.
Umm, Awesome and Aero could be town, Acryon and Lilith could be scum. Everyone else is a blend of meh.
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In post 984, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Nah, fuck this.
If you think I'm reading another 20 pages just to get lynched you better think again. I'm done, lynch me.
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In post 987, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:What was it?
I linked the post man...
In post 918, acryon wrote:
In post 899, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Alright, so I'm going to try and provide short catch ups as I go along. There is no way I will get it all done tonight and I'm going to try and avoid asking questions because it's most likely out of date and they've probably already been asked at some point. It's mostly for me to get a handle on the game.
First 5 pages - I'm unsure on AA. I didn't like their reasoning around the Sky and Fro99er wagons (66) (there were people, like Aero, who also jumped on the Sky wagon with very little/no reasoning). I didn't know how to feel about offering to be colour flipped and seeming so assured that them flipping blue would confirm them as town, I also thought they WIFOM'ed with the first post pretty hard and it felt like cheeky scum. I don't know, I just have a bad gut feeling about the slot so far.
I'm liking Spiffeh early game; I particularly like his 67/73[/post] - feels like impulsive town, not so sure that scum would post so freely.
Don't particularly like Davsto's set up talk early on, but I like the reasoning behind his push on Spiffeh, even if I don't agree with it.
Umm, Awesome and Aero could be town, Acryon and Lilith could be scum. Everyone else is a blend of meh.
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In post 1010, RadiantCowbells wrote:what are your reads looking like right now?
can you link me some posts from your big town/scumreads that give you those reads?
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In post 1019, Spiffeh wrote:Can we lynch Tammy hydra?
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In post 1058, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 984, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Nah, fuck this.
If you think I'm reading another 20 pages just to get lynched you better think again. I'm done, lynch me.
That's a townie sentiment.
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If you're town why would you say this? It's fine if you're not feeling the game, but then replace out, don't tell people to lynch you.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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In post 1067, BlueBloodedToffee wrote:Leaving someone to come into this slot isn't fair.
I would say it because I'm not invested in the game and I'm currently a waste of a slot. Town have no direction and they have landed on the first random wagon that got started up.
Like seriously, just lynch me. I deleted all my notes and everything. I'm worthless to this game.
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To be clear I want you to do the former, because I think you'll be good for town if you're around. But at the very least don't play against your wincon.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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In post 1075, Marquis wrote:what do we even lose by not hammering
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In post 1241, Davsto wrote:just curious, I haven't played with DGB before (well she replaced into a game after I died but I'd hardly call that "playing with"), why would she be a good flip?
Ta.
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Agree with Ari on pretty much everything in the past couple pages. DGB's BBT vote wasn't particularly inspiring either, which makes me even more interested in sorting out the slot.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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Whoops didn't realize I missed a page.
In post 1294, RadiantCowbells wrote:Sure, colour flip me.
I lead the lynch after.
VOTE: RadiantCowbells
Enough of this from people. Likely no one is going to pursue someone willing to colour flip themselves, so it's just posturing, which benefits no one. If you want people to follow you, give me a reason to that doesn't involve us wasting a color flip on a townie.
In post 1292, RadiantCowbells wrote:Finding scum is easy.
Persuading town to lynch scum is next to impossible.
I don't have the energy to convince anyone. sheep me if you will.
Something doesn't compute here. It's only next to impossible because you admittedly aren't willing to try. This is the same thing you did in the last game we played together. You need to earn the town-cred, which you haven't done.
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In post 1300, RadiantCowbells wrote:quick question: was I right or wrong last game, on everything besides Titus for whom my motivations should be pretty clear in postgame.
was I right or wrong on BBT?
how many times is it gonna take before I can get some leverage over you. don't be like FA who still ignores my reads time and time again.
Lol well you were wrong about more than just Titus, which we talked about in post-game. There were several others you said were probably scum that were not. There's a reason town doesn't always just come into the game and sheep the person with the most experience. That’s not how the game works for a number of reasons, and you know that. If you want to convince me that someone is scum, convince me by your case, not your character.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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In post 1303, RadiantCowbells wrote:*shrug*
there were huge gaps in the certainties between the different things.
I said to autolynch mm4 because I was dead 100% sure he was scum. you didn't.
if that's not going to convince you plus a cop flip nothing else that I say is going to.
Again those things have nothing to do with who is scum. "I'm the cop; person X is scum" doesn't mean anything unless you red-checked them. I can be convinced, but by a case not your personal certainty about who is scum. People are fallible, and that includes you and your gut feelings.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.-
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In post 1306, Anxiety Attack wrote:
I'm not sure overall his ISO tells us much except it makes me townread Davsto more and possibly RC as well.
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Obviously I can't force anyone to do anything, but it would make at least my life easier if people referred to hydra/alt players by something at least close to their name in this game.Get to know me! | Unavailable on nights and weekends.