UK Meet 2015 Invitational (Game Over)

[Nexus]

this is bullshit

vote cdb

[Nexus]

haters gonna hate hate hate hate

[Nexus]

i got the role i always pick in Greater Idea mafia games.

[Nexus]

YES ELMO

[Nexus]

guys let's not be lurkyscumfucks ty

[Nexus]

Primate is town

[Nexus]

bad cdb

[Nexus]

bad cdb

Why?

idunno

[Nexus]

"i'm caught scum and i can't really argue"

[Nexus]

You're right. I'm scum and I decided to confess. I've never been flustered by a wagon on me as town before. Certainly not at the very meet which thus we celebrate.

i dunno i only played like three games at the last meet and I've been drunk since then

[Nexus]

Elmo, u scum m8?

[Nexus]

seems a bit of a weird one

[Nexus]

vote elmo

[Nexus]

I think I'd rather a Prozac wagon. Not seeing inspie scum yet.

vote prozac

[Nexus]

I had that brief "oh fucking hell, I'm being voted" drop in my stomach. Then I remembered who was voting for me, and chuckled.

[Nexus]

If I wasn't suspicious of you, I wouldn't have bothered addressing your naked vote.

Try again.

[Nexus]

A naked vote on a player who has barely contributed is shit. There's no two ways about it.

[Nexus]

You mean -

Spoiler: Individual Factional Win Percentages
TOWN
Prozac P27 W18 D0 L8 Unleapt 1 69.2%

Analysing stats is scummy... grumble... grumble...

Im a pretty damn awesome town.

CDB how do you feel about this game right now?

Porochaz, speaking honestly, do you think the statistics point to you being a good lynch here?

- Fenchurch

Looking long term probably not, looking at those stats alone, maybe? but it would be a rash decision.

Also remembering the amount of trouble trying to get people to understand "back up" maybe I should translate.

PATRICK, YOU SHOULD VOTE PATRICK.

Really not liking the run of cdb's posts. Context gets lost in writing, but its reminding me of a certain scum game in Orlando, tone wise. As for inspie, Im not sure I get it. The joke or the votes.

Look at all the contributing you did here.

Zero scumhunting. Lots of "I ain't scum guv."

You did nothing for the first three pages, then threw a naked vote on a less than involved player. Then an OMGUS vote.

P. town play tbh

[Nexus]

Not even lots of 'I ain't scum guv.' Just meaningless posts that do nothing to move the game forward.

I can excuse Post 30, but otherwise this is bollocks, wishy washyness and more bollocks. Move along.

Predit: I literally give zero shits about looking suspicious. I got my favourite role to play. I'm not going to play timidly, because there is no point.

[Nexus]

seems a bit of a weird one

vote elmo

It's not as if Fences has been like WE THINK PROZAC IS SCUM.

They aren't firm in their conviction.

I am.

CHOO CHOO MOTHERFUCKER

[Nexus]

Bollocks, didn't want those quotes. Oh well. Dalek is always fun.

[Nexus]

Yeah it did.

Goodnight, Porochaz.

[Nexus]

So you didn't fancy joining any of the four wagons, instead preferring to start your own?

...

Ok.

[Nexus]

unvote

Does anyone fancy hammering - if so we need a claim

[Nexus]

because we're not in a game full of spam posters, so page 5 is a perfectly reasonable time to expect better contributions.

With that said - I want more from Elmo and AV.

More more more

[Nexus]

Didn't realise inspie has only posted 3 times.

Scum shirley can't be two of the lowest posters. SHIRLEY NOT

[Nexus]

Nah I just want you to post.

[Nexus]

Though I find it funny nexus unvoted. Did you expect an accidental hammer or do you believe there's a legitimate chance of scum quick/lolhammering?

There's always a chance.

[Nexus]

both

[Nexus]

i'm doubting myself

[Nexus]

because av pinged my scumdar as well but I was also unsure on INSPIE and it's TOO MANY SCUM READS FUCK MY LIFE.

I'll vote Prozac > AV > Inspie i think

[Nexus]

k

vote prozac

AV tomorrow, guys?

[Nexus]

I literally answered your question - I was doubting myself because I wasn't sure about inspie and AV and just wondered if I was overly paranoid

[Nexus]

That doesn't really answer my question. I knew that, but what gave you doubts about inspi and AV in particular?

Also, you complained about too many scumreads, but three scumreads in a game with probably two scum doesn't seem that much of an problem.

- Fenchurch

inspie done nowt, and AV's posts haven't been particularly valuable, imho.

i don't normally have this many scumreads in this short a time. it's a new and strange and scary feeling

[Nexus]

Would it be bad form to say lynch the slot?

[Nexus]

Nexus, you never tried to recruit Primate to your CDB wagon even though he has no vote and noted CDB as at least a tentative tiny scumread. Why not?

because my cdb wagon was never really serious?

I literally asked about lynching your slot purely because others had expressed suspicion, and I didn't want to wait a billion years for a replacement - obviously I wasn't expecting it to be so quick to get a replacement for Patrick.

[Nexus]

Do you have a history of crumbing, vox?

[Nexus]

vote prozac

Nothing has changed.

[Nexus]

Slight concern about Ampersand still being alive but that could be uber paranoia.

[Nexus]

Additional point - AV's wagon was a counterwagon on Prozac, was it not?

[Nexus]

probably v/la for til sunday

[Nexus]

still probably vla but it's not as if my vote is going to change.

[Nexus]

cdb is dis true

[Nexus]

unvote

[Nexus]

patrick how you getting on with a primate replacement mate

[Nexus]

yup. Your vote is in the wrong place but I don't particularly have the energy to argue your points tonight.

I kept my vote on Prozac because I thought that was the best place, until he claimed. I'm inclined to believe his claim right now.

I need to re read but I've not had time to yet. Will do it soon.

[Nexus]

I'm always uncomfortable when CDB says he town reads me as heavily as he has today. Like I said yesterday, I need to re-read properly - my head isn't really in a good place at the minute so the re-read keeps falling further and further down my list of priorities.

Sorry!

[Nexus]

vote Ampersand

Am I doing this right?

(I promise I'll read this really)

[Nexus]

unvote

To be fair, wouldn't the best move be to lynch one of the two claimed players? And technically a Tracker is more useful than a VT.

[Nexus]

It's obvious they want to mislynch me. So go ahead and get it done.

I've been reading the game in the sense of keeping up with it, but I've not been engaged. At all. I keep trying, but I can't get in the right mindset. I shouldn't have signed up.

[Nexus]

weird that he should claim and not reveal what the coded post was about?

v t n t y t ht bt cn b n m th ty t my yb h t ng yt gn...

Aaaaaaa, aa aaaa aa aaaaaaa aaaa a aaaa aaaa aaaaaaaa aa aaaaaaa a aaaaa aaaaaa. Aaaaaaaaaaa, a aaa aaaa aaaaaaa aaaa!!

I wasn't at the meet so someone should tell me if this is some sort of meet reference, or whatever

Shanba, I'm guessing AVox was telling the truth when he said afterwards that it wasn't a code, he was just demonstrating that his keyboard wasn't working?
hito, I don't think it's a reference, Elmo is just screaming. Or he's translated AVox's code. Or posting a code of his own.

So I'll probably hammer AV around ~12 hours from this post? Would like Ampersands thoughts on that last Shanba post though. For now, it's bedtime.

You've put it all into much better words than me, but I'm in a similar place to you, where I don't have a lot of confidence in this lynch because a number of other people have also been reasonable amounts of scummy. I didn't notice the thing about Shanba not pushing Poro until you pointed it out, but I agree with it. I think CDB's disinterest in the game could be an indication that he's scum. I think Nexus could be scum, I genuinely don't know how to begin reading him, and I'm kind of in the same place with Poro. (CES says he trusts CDB's earlier declaration of Nexus being town, but personally I don't have faith in that, especially under the circumstances).

I think Elmo and Primate are probably town, but neither of those are strong townreads at the best of times. I think you're town but I don't know how good your scumgame is.

The issue is mainly that a whole bunch of people aren't putting much effort into the game and that makes it very hard to read them and discern the townies and the scum.

So it's a bit of a vote-and-pray lynch rather than a lynch that I have a lot of confidence in. But I don't have a good alternative.

- Fenchurch

Up until this point, they were solidly townreading me. Then we got a massive turnaround.

[Nexus]

Wow, I'm pretty embarrassed to admit that I kinda forgot about this game for the past couple of days. I think that's the first time that's happened to me. Sorry all.

Porochaz - why did you choose to track CDB?

CES points out that even as a Tracker, Poro could be a Mafia Tracker, but thinks that if the claim is a lie or is scum this will become apparent come massclaim, so Poro is not the best lynch for today.

I'm inclined to believe the claim, and I'm inclined to think Poro is town now. I didn't have any strong read on him before anyway (the vote and the push was all from CES), and the hito-kill plus his claim make me think he's probably town.

My order of preference for lynching now:
scummiest > less scummy
Nexus >> Shanba > Primate/Elmo/CDB >>> Porochaz

I've read CDB's 228 on why he thinks Nexus is town, and I don't really agree. I think it assumes less from Nexus' scum play than is correct - that he wouldn't show engagement or investment in the game, that he wouldn't express opinions counter to the majority - I don't think these things are true. I think Nexus' play here could be scum, and I think he would be likely to kill hito last night.

VOTE: Nexus

- Fenchurch

This is the first real suspicion they had on me, and it's mainly down to the fact hito died.

[Nexus]

vote Ampersand

Time for a hail Mary.

I think they've seen me as an easy mislynch, and that's why I'm getting ridden hard. They're really hammering CDB for his townread on me, and it's really pinging me.

[Nexus]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p6343559

Do some research rather than trying to guess, huh

[Nexus]

So they are.

[Nexus]

I mean, most of my points still stand.

[Nexus]

Shanba, why go for elmo when there are three other places to go?

[Nexus]

I would vote Shanba over Prozac purely for the claim.

Which is backwards considering I've been riding Poro's ass for nearly 2 days, but I'm shit at this game.

[Nexus]

CDB if you're scum i will be heartbroken

[Nexus]

unvote

URK

[Nexus]

Nexus quite obviously would vote Ampersand, given that who is who he was voting.

Elmo seems like a poor compromise - his inactivity is totally not alignment indicative.

[Nexus]

I still can't shake the fact that I consider the AV wagon a bit of a counter-wagon to Poro - he's been run up AGAIN today and ARGH

@poro the fact that the two lynch candidates are on & makes me feel a bit more ehhhhhh

@fen calm down i unvoted so u aren't gon get lynched yet

[Nexus]

i would be more inclined to follow through on & if cdb was on the wagon

IDK

[Nexus]

flashwagononcdb

*shot*

[Nexus]

I appreciate the levity of the situation and really should take it more seriously.

[Nexus]

good enough for me for one more day then bae

[Nexus]

tho you didn't respond to my "if ur scum u'll break my heart"

@prozac allegedly

[Nexus]

Poro/Shanba - RoShamBo for it?

[Nexus]

Shanbles shanbles shanbles.

r u scum

[Nexus]

TAMMY GUIDE US

[Nexus]

Wait, I'm still not sure that anyone is treating the stats thing with any kind of seriousness,

there's no way that was anything but a joke

right

right

who do I vote plz tell

I guess I vote prozac

Vote: prozac

NEXUS I'M FUCKING TOWN MATE

If you were town, you'd come and see England smash the Aussies.

[Nexus]

That'd be crap when he didn't open the day until after 9pm

[Nexus]

FUCK SAKE PATRICK

[Nexus]

cool let's dance around for another hour then.

[Nexus]

Why Tammy?

[Nexus]

so British

[Nexus]

fenchurch - thoughts?

[Nexus]

vote tammy

[Nexus]

Honestly - Idunno. I'm gonna re-read his iso now and see.

[Nexus]

I mean it's making me more convinced he's scum but i'm also concerned that i'm being over paranoid

[Nexus]

unvote

[Nexus]

are you trying to provoke the dragon?

[Nexus]

vote shanba

[Nexus]

Genuinely can't remember the last time I hammered someone

predit: SORRY

[Nexus]

@ampersand, not shanble

[Nexus]

if he is scum then the provocation post was cheeky as fuck

[Nexus]

I would prefer you to start, to be fair.

[Nexus]

Fair enough.

[Nexus]

Yeah, VT.

Still concerned about Ampersand.

[Nexus]

Why do we think we have a reflexive doctor again? I must've missed something.

[Nexus]

I mean it's making me more convinced he's scum but i'm also concerned that i'm being over paranoid

Literally answered that point two posts later?

I'll get to the rest on Saturday.

[Nexus]

Yes.

Basically I'm paranoid about everything. I'm paranoid about the fact you're still alive. I'm paranoid about the fact CDB is still hard townreading me, although the fact he's kept it up to today makes me slightly less paranoid.

I need to do a genuine, honest to god re-read, and I will do it on Saturday.

[Nexus]

...fuck

Tomorrow, after work.

Sorry.

[Nexus]

Looked through Elmo's ISO. Like what I see.

[Nexus]

Will provide examples later. Gonna take a brief look at CDB

[Nexus]

Yeah but you also get flustered as scum.

Sure. Doesn't make Nexus right.

Why are you flustered over a small wagon?

Well, it's irrational, but here's the thought process, more or less:

1) So I say something awkward/recognise that people think I said something awkward
2) Aware that if I say something else awkward, maybe it'll snowball and I'll get lynched (as has happened before)
3) Aware that nothing else is happening in this game right now so people are going to be particularly keen to get things going, looks like that's going to be on me
4) Because nothing else is happening in this game right now, there's not a lot about which I can think other than how people are thinking about me

I mean, ultimately I'm reasonably confident that after a bit of pressure people should realise that I'm town, and of course the game has to start somewhere, but right now the game's set up for me to be very self-conscious, so here I am. I guess this is what early votes are for? It's just more helpful to me when they poke at people whose alignments I don't already know.

This is one of my town!ping posts from CDB.

[Nexus]

Primate's posts are just a lot of prodging and no real meat.

HMM

[Nexus]

Does Tammy usually post lots of random stuff that kind of shows activity but doesn't say much?

[Nexus]

Yeah that's answered my question then.

Currently would prefer Tammy as today's lynch.

[Nexus]

i hadn't realised how little primate had contributed until i looked at his iso.

[Nexus]

Which one would you put your money on right now?

[Nexus]

Managed to leave my laptop charger at home. So can't really do much until tomorrow

[Nexus]

I would argue that all of us (except CES) are fairly cautious players, so quickhammers are always unlikely.

[Nexus]

I dunno? I mean, I'm definitely even more cautious in LYLO - both as scum and town. I was burned as scum once by a surprise, bullshit SK when I thought I had the game sewn up.

I don't think there'd be two killing factions, fwiw. Doesn't really make sense to me?

[Nexus]

Apparently I require a prod so yeah.

Prepared to hammer Tammy

[Nexus]

i like you more than bookitty for town but i'm still unsure about you compared to ampersand, cdb.

when, exactly, is the deadline?

[Nexus]

Deadline is in just over an hour.

Anyone got anything else to say before I hammer?

[Nexus]

I WAS WRONG.

Deadline is Tuesday.

I won't hammer before then, and I will spend tomorrow doing a proper re-read.

[Nexus]

If you want to wait for Bookitty to post, why the hell have you left Tammy at L-1? Bookitty can literally come in and vote Tammy and then end the game if she [bookitty] is scum.

I don't really see how risking a Bookitty hammer is a good thing?

[Nexus]

Feel a bit awkward. Honestly kinda understand the votes on me and am rather self-conscious at the moment as a result so I don't want to force anything but inspie's entrance was kinda bad, yo.

You're right. I'm scum and I decided to confess. I've never been flustered by a wagon on me as town before. Certainly not at the very meet which thus we celebrate.

Yeah but you also get flustered as scum.

Sure. Doesn't make Nexus right.

Why are you flustered over a small wagon?

Well, it's irrational, but here's the thought process, more or less:

1) So I say something awkward/recognise that people think I said something awkward
2) Aware that if I say something else awkward, maybe it'll snowball and I'll get lynched (as has happened before)
3) Aware that nothing else is happening in this game right now so people are going to be particularly keen to get things going, looks like that's going to be on me
4) Because nothing else is happening in this game right now, there's not a lot about which I can think other than how people are thinking about me

I mean, ultimately I'm reasonably confident that after a bit of pressure people should realise that I'm town, and of course the game has to start somewhere, but right now the game's set up for me to be very self-conscious, so here I am. I guess this is what early votes are for? It's just more helpful to me when they poke at people whose alignments I don't already know.

Really don't like these posts.

[Nexus]

Forgot how much i disliked Ampersand's early posting as well.

[Nexus]

post post post just need to post I am not loose now this is stressful for some reason

Ampersand is being helpful. I retract my earlier read on CDB as now he's acting self-concious in an honest way and that's good I guess. Nexus seems ballsy and happy so cdbs read is one i share a bit, though his is more grounded in realism.

I get the inspo thing, but I don't think he's been overly town, but then not overly scum either. He's pretty honest so I'd lean town if forced to it, but there's not much there.

re: poro the stats thing was obvious guff so eh, there's nothing in that unless I'm missing something. I think he's been mostly town but I don't have much faith in that read because I've put no time into it.

Amper asked for a vote so

vote Shanba

. He's probably scum.

I still feel like an observer bye.

Yeah, that probably isn't very helpful, is it. I'll review later.

I don't know why we didn't lynch Primate after this.

[Nexus]

@Fenchurch - are you always very concerned with deadlines? You mention them more than the average person from what I can tell.

[Nexus]

actually, if AV flips scum, Shanba looks pretty good - my suspicion on Shanba is mostly due to his post making me second-guess the AV lynch in the first place

I'd want to dig in to Nexus/Primate regardless of AV flip. Well, I guess because it's virtually guaranteed to be two scum, an AV scumflip helps Primate just in the sense that he can't then be Nexus's scumbuddy, and I think a lot of my uneasy feeling on Primate is the Primate <--> Nexus connection

Hito's reads were p. bad, but he does have Primate as a scumread here.

AVox had me/prozac/Ampersand as scum, and Primate as Town.

[Nexus]

Making a post mainly containing posts I really didn't like from you.

Currently leaning towards Ampersand scum, CDB town, unsure as to the other two though.

[Nexus]

Feel a bit awkward. Honestly kinda understand the votes on me and am rather self-conscious at the moment as a result so I don't want to force anything but inspie's entrance was kinda bad, yo.

You're right. I'm scum and I decided to confess. I've never been flustered by a wagon on me as town before. Certainly not at the very meet which thus we celebrate.

Yeah but you also get flustered as scum.

Sure. Doesn't make Nexus right.

Why are you flustered over a small wagon?

Well, it's irrational, but here's the thought process, more or less:

1) So I say something awkward/recognise that people think I said something awkward
2) Aware that if I say something else awkward, maybe it'll snowball and I'll get lynched (as has happened before)
3) Aware that nothing else is happening in this game right now so people are going to be particularly keen to get things going, looks like that's going to be on me
4) Because nothing else is happening in this game right now, there's not a lot about which I can think other than how people are thinking about me

I mean, ultimately I'm reasonably confident that after a bit of pressure people should realise that I'm town, and of course the game has to start somewhere, but right now the game's set up for me to be very self-conscious, so here I am. I guess this is what early votes are for? It's just more helpful to me when they poke at people whose alignments I don't already know.

Really don't like these posts.

Yeah but you also get flustered as scum.

Sure. Doesn't make Nexus right.

Why are you flustered over a small wagon?

Well, it's irrational, but here's the thought process, more or less:

1) So I say something awkward/recognise that people think I said something awkward
2) Aware that if I say something else awkward, maybe it'll snowball and I'll get lynched (as has happened before)
3) Aware that nothing else is happening in this game right now so people are going to be particularly keen to get things going, looks like that's going to be on me
4) Because nothing else is happening in this game right now, there's not a lot about which I can think other than how people are thinking about me

I mean, ultimately I'm reasonably confident that after a bit of pressure people should realise that I'm town, and of course the game has to start somewhere, but right now the game's set up for me to be very self-conscious, so here I am. I guess this is what early votes are for? It's just more helpful to me when they poke at people whose alignments I don't already know.

This is one of my town!ping posts from CDB.

I'm a fucking idiot.

[Nexus]

To add to CES' post above, he currently thinks Poro is most likely scum by PoE, but admits that he's not sure if Poro as scum would have incentive to kill hito, and says I'm free to move our vote if I want to.

I don't yet know if I want to.

Just checking, do you know why you are voting me?

This is a weirdly worded question though. Were you asking CES to explain why he voted for you? Or just confirm whether he had a reason? Because I can't think of a situation in which the answer to the latter question would be 'no'.

---

I was also half expecting us to die during the night. I guess there's multiple potential reasons why hito died instead:
a) he had a better grasp on who the scum were
b) he seemed more likely to work out who the scum were in future
c) he seemed more town
d) he seemed less likely to get mislynched
e) we seemed more likely to be protected

But since I just finished a game where I died N1 and had the two scum as my top two scumreads, I don't want to ignore the possibility of a). Which makes Nexus/Shanba/Primate more likely to be scum, as far as I can tell.

Ugh, this game just feels like wading through mud. It's frustrating coming out of Team Mafia, where I had at least one or two strong reads in most of our games, into this, where despite me being familiar with all the players, I feel like I don't have a solid clue.

- Fenchurch

This post makes me feel super skeevy and concerned about & scum.

Then we had this entire run of posts starting with this:

Wow, I'm pretty embarrassed to admit that I kinda forgot about this game for the past couple of days. I think that's the first time that's happened to me. Sorry all.

Porochaz - why did you choose to track CDB?

CES points out that even as a Tracker, Poro could be a Mafia Tracker, but thinks that if the claim is a lie or is scum this will become apparent come massclaim, so Poro is not the best lynch for today.

I'm inclined to believe the claim, and I'm inclined to think Poro is town now. I didn't have any strong read on him before anyway (the vote and the push was all from CES), and the hito-kill plus his claim make me think he's probably town.

My order of preference for lynching now:
scummiest > less scummy
Nexus >> Shanba > Primate/Elmo/CDB >>> Porochaz

I've read CDB's 228 on why he thinks Nexus is town, and I don't really agree. I think it assumes less from Nexus' scum play than is correct - that he wouldn't show engagement or investment in the game, that he wouldn't express opinions counter to the majority - I don't think these things are true. I think Nexus' play here could be scum, and I think he would be likely to kill hito last night.

VOTE: Nexus

- Fenchurch

Shanba, why aren't you voting anyone? You were waiting for a couple of players to give their own read on you, is that likely to help you place a vote?

Nexus, what the hell was that? Oh, your vote on us was a joke-vote? Also I'm unclear between your 302 and 303, you imply you haven't read the game, but you do appear to be up to date with the claims.

To be fair, wouldn't the best move be to lynch one of the two claimed players? And technically a Tracker is more useful than a VT.

CES thinks this is scummy. Suggesting lynches based on gamestate rather than reads indicates an unwillingness to take responsibility for choosing a lynch.

We might be up for a flashwagon on Nexus, if anyone else is interested.

CDB - your read on Nexus was based on his engagement and activity in early game. Does his lack of activity on Day 2 do nothing to modify that read?

Elmo - Shanba is right in that you don't really seem to have declared a read on him. In 286 you rule out Tammy and then say that leaves you with CDB-Nexus, but at that point I'd already placed a vote on Shanba, so why not consider him? Why haven't you considered us at all, for that matter?

Tammy, where are you? When you joined the game your provided plenty of exciting insight and observations, but for the past two days you've vanished. (Is this because you are scum?)

- Fenchurch

This struck me as a massive overreaction.

vote Ampersand

The reads aren't consistent all the way through. Im getting pressure from them yet no vote, because they don't want me voted for.

Unvote Vote Ampersand

God I hope this is right cause if it's wrong it gets me lynched for the loss tomorrow

NO NO NO NO NO

Are either you reading the response I've been writing to Poro's case? I'm writing more but OMG just why are you doing this now.

Have I not been clear that the reason I'm reluctant to lynch Poro today is because he's claimed Tracker, and I think the correct play is to wait until Tomorrow?

This is dreadful, dreadful dreadful. Like just so bad.

- Fenchurch

This strikes me as a Fenchurch!f2fscum response.

Thoughts in case of death and assuming Shanba-scumflip.

I would still consider Poro a possible buddy, assuming he is still alive and we're dead, but we hope this will become apparent with massclaim. I think some of the Shanba-Poro interactions and crossvotes/not-votes have been indicative of a scumteam.

If not Poro, then perhaps Tammy or Elmo. Will do some quick re-reading and see if I can work out either way.

- Fenchurch

Your reads have basically been "everyone is scum."

Other somewhat irrelevant facts about our role:

My inevitable thought upon first drawing this was that maybe it meant there was a Black Goo in the game, but then I realised that would be madness in a 9 player closed. We talked about crumbing at the start of D1 but I thought any direct mentions of Black Goos or PGO-cops would be too obvious. Wester suggesting something about our having 'four-eyes' between us, a reference to Twoflower, the Discworld character who wears glasses and is a tourist, but I a) thought this was too stretchy to be worthwhile, and b) never actually found the right opportunity to say it. (There was one point on D1 I remember lying in bed and thinking of the post I could write that it would fit into, but it didn't seem worth getting up to do it, and by next morning the moment had passed.)

Since the start of Day 2, I've had to hide the fact that I was half-hoping we'd be the one to die Night 1, which I thought was reasonably likely given that so many people had a purported town-read on us throughout D1. I didn't read the game overnight in part because this seemed so likely. I also felt bad for actually half-wanting to die in this game, because I've been struggling so much to get firm reads on people. I guess that's how it goes; you don't die when you are struggling and wouldn't mind no longer having an influence in the game; whereas when you have the game figured out and strong suspicions on who the scum are, they will kill you and then you have no way to control over the win.

But I didn't want to say that I'd been hoping we'd die because that basically confirms that we don't have a useful role. I don't know if I am ever as aware of this as a VT, but as a (useless) power role I've been constantly aware of trying not to make it obvious that we are useless.

My one crumb was the mention of 'reflexive doctor' in 278. I had originally added two other passive/negative roles in here (ninja, godfather) but I took them out to deliberately focus on the reflexive doctor, which had been our 'holy grail quest' in our night actions.

- Fenchurch

Do you two crumb normally?

For info, my reads list right now:

most scummy

CDB = Elmo = Nexus = Tammy

most town

- Fenchurch

Was this a joke?

Oh Bookitty. I haven't played with you before, and CES says he has only once, a year ago, and you were scum. So I don't know why, but I just assumed that you would easily see us as being very readable and obviously town. Maybe because I generally do get town-read when I'm town, even from unfamiliar players, or at the least I rarely get called 'the scummiest'.

Ampersand - Easily the scummiest, imo. A lot of things feel faked or forced. I do not like at all.

So then. This isn't something I'm sure I'll be able to answer to, because if you think I sound 'fake' when I'm just playing natural and honest and open, then I'm not sure what else I can do, but I'll try. Can you give some examples, please?

Overall, your reads list is that you lean town on Nexus and CDB, you find us scummy, and you think Tammy is scum too because of 'connections'. Can you explain that last part a bit more? What are these 'connections' that you have made?

CES would also like you to answer to his argument about the balance of the game and the lack of town power.

- Fenchurch

REALLY DON'T LIKE the condescension of the first sentence here. Strikes me as "MERE MORTAL HOW DARE YOU SCUMREAD US"

CDB: you have inspi as most scummy, neutral on AVox, and Poro as not voteworthy. What are your reasons for these reads, please?

Inspie isn't anything that I haven't said in thread but I feel like his entrance was empty and unhelpful, and his subsequent justification of it seemed like he was making it up a bit after the fact. I liked your #77 in that regard.

AVox is probably up from neutral to scummy now. I thought his first couple of posts were pretty nondescriptly Avoxy and was waiting to get a bit more input but his interactions with you on Wednesday don't look great. The fact that his last posts are asking a couple of clarificationy questions on which he never followed up doesn't sit well to me - looks more like scum posting to be seen posting rather than town actually trying to get answers to figure out anything.

Prozac just seems pretty town. He's here, and he's making some kind of effort even if he's admittedly struggling to get into things at times. His reads are maybe not meshing with others' perfectly and he's had some heat with which to deal but he doesn't strike me as particularly rattled by it.

Assuming boo kitty is town, this is some typical scum/scum interactions. Oh what are your fake reads, person who's definiteky not my partner *wink wink*

And I pointed out how these reads don't make any sense. If you look at the reasons he shouldn't be reading avox as scum and Prozac as town because he could very easily be describing the same person here. And if you look at the players involved, it doesn't make any sense. Why would people expect that Prozac, who enjoys playing scum, would flail at his wagon. He knows better? Then why use that as a reason?

This is faking reasons for reads and it's pretty disgusting that he holds that up to go after quite possibly one of the easiest lynched in this player list and then has the nerve to kill Hito and then claim he shouldn't have died because he'd have pushed Hito for his avox push if he had lived.

Does Tammy often use hyperbole?

I don't really get the "CDB is confirmed scum" argument - is he actually, or is this just a "because there hasn't been a quickhammer, then cdb is prob!scum?"

As an aside, I also really don't like the "I want to hear Nexus' thoughts but I'm still going to leave Tammy at L-1" attitude.

This is a massive train of thought and it probably doesn't make any sense, but this is where I'm currently at:

Scummiest - Ampersand
Middlest - Tammy/Bookitty
ProbTown - CDB.

I realise this is unhelpful, given the current situation we are in, and how close we are to deadline. I'm sorry.

[Nexus]

Then we had this entire run of posts starting with this:

Ignore this bit - I meant to delete it.

[Nexus]

I don't know whether the paranoia I had wrt Ampersand at the end of D2 has just resurfaced, but the re-read (i read the whole thing ffs) has made me sway this way. I don't like the arrogance of some of the posts, and I don't like the fact that almost, if not everyone, has been scum to them at one point or another.

[Nexus]

To be honest I wish I'd never signed up to play. It's just made me realise just how shit I am at mafia and how much I hate playing it. I feel like I'm going to be responsible for a town!loss if we lose, and I am completely tied up in knots.

[Nexus]

Except it doesn't take into account the fact that they might be scum, obviously.

If I believe you to be town, then yes, Tammy is scum. I will vote Tammy by this evening. Those posts Ampersand picked out read like tinfoil Tammy.

I mean, if the scumteam is CDB/Ampersand, then good job. You managed to make me look and feel like a twat.

[Nexus]

i am going to hammer in an hour as i am going to be out after about half five.

[Nexus]

vote tammy

SORRY

[Nexus]

Patrick informs me we had another hour but WHATEVER.

Had stuff with ~stuff~ and then exercise class so I genuinely forgot.

[Nexus]

Oh ffs.

Well I'm more convinced with CDB town than Bookitty slot town.

[Nexus]

Fenchurch also backs me up, so that's probably what I'm going to do.

[Nexus]

I just don't know whether to wait for a replacement or just get the game finished.

[Nexus]

basically fuck whoever made the kill last night and didn't kill me.

[Nexus]

Nacho, you need to convince me of cdb!scum over you!scum.

I'm really sorry about the shitty position you're in and also apologies to everyone else in the game for when I inevitably fuck it up.

[Nexus]

Here. Reading arguments. Carry on.

[Nexus]

okay i will see what else nacho has to say.

[Nexus]

I mean...I'm still paranoid at your uber town read at me from the start - could you explain it in FULL DETAIL please?

[Nexus]

CDB and Nacho, are you both checked out? Should I just make my decision and end this madness?

[Nexus]

vote Nacho

Fine. GG

[Nexus]

Sorry Nacho

[Nexus]

You should've kept Ampersand alive. I was fully prepared to hang them.

[Nexus]

because as soon as they died, my tactic was "listen to Ampersand"

[Nexus]

Thanks for modding, Patrick