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Wisdom, I'm going to say this once and only once.
I told the mod I did not wish to play with you. I agreed to give it a go anyway. I will do my best to leave my personal feelings out of the game, but do not test my patience with stubborn pigheadedness. I'm bringing this up because I realize my feelings may be clouding my perception of your behavior, so I will try to keep it in check.
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In post 34, sthar8 wrote:This is me acknowledging that I choose not to RVS.
I don't need to this game.
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In post 39, sthar8 wrote:In post 35, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 34, sthar8 wrote:This is me acknowledging that I choose not to RVS.
I don't need to this game.
You can still participate in the discussion.
maybe later.
absolutely not. i asked you to join because i wanted to play with you.Art is cool.-
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In post 22, Kaboose wrote:In post 21, Firebringer wrote:In post 19, Kaboose wrote:In post 18, Firebringer wrote:VOTE: polar vortex
I am, without having a second head.
Anyone else here in the 90s was on a famous tv show? Just me?
Sheep me then!
VOTE: Firebringer
You can't trick me.
All aboard this for town glory!
I don't trick, I use subtle diversions to cast your eyes on me when their is actual scum lurking.
We're you on a famous tv show ?
I feel like you're semi-rolefishing.
it pinged but i didn't really have a reason why. i was going to say something about it being jumpy. why do you think that means kaboose is scum?Art is cool.-
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In post 46, Wisdom wrote:Do you know more than me about the wagons I'm pushing, ETL?
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In post 48, Wisdom wrote:Even if you were town, you would still not know whether my push on you is RVS or not.
I know what you're getting at. Stop it. I know your push isn't because of anything I actually said. So whether you're town or scum, it's because you're trying to piss me off on purpose. RVS is RVS no matter alignment.Art is cool.-
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In post 52, Wisdom wrote:I'm not trying to piss you off :/ Why would I want that?
Sorry, it's not RVS.
Ok. lol...
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so far my strongest townread by far is wingback,which brings me to wanting more information about his read on kaboose.(Just read post 91.) i know he was pointing out 22 but i think 56 is more troublesome than 22. "I always look scummy" is.. eugh.
In post 91, Wingback wrote:The fact that Kaboose never asked Firebringer any follow-up questions or tried to develop a read on him makes me think his initial accusation was just a throwaway comment.
I like this a lot though. And the fact that Wingback felt the same way about 56 as I did. Definitely strengthens my read there. And his point about Polar Vortex throwing shade at me while voting elsewhere. BUT I do find Firebringer scummy so I don't think this point is enough to damn PVx. (Also, explanation in 98 seems reasonable.)I'd love to hear more from Snowstorm - it seems like BBD is doing most of the posting right now, correct?
In post 96, Wingback wrote:Did not realize that there are multiple people on 90s shows. It nullifies one of my reasons to suspect Kaboose.
How do you feel about Kaboose now?
ms makes me nervous. i feel like he may be giving me a fence-sitty town read to see how that will change my read of him, and i don't particularly like that.
sekai (ffery/pieguy?) - can you tell me more about your townread on firebringer? i didn't see anything as of 54 that made me feel one way or the other.
In post 107, sekai no ki wrote:In post 100, Wingback wrote:@ Sekai, explain your townread on Firebringer.
I thought he was softing something. had no idea what it might be. The reason I said it was a maybe town read rather than a town read was because it felt a little overdone/look at me, and because there were no obvious town-minded inquiry/reactions going with it.
ok. How do you feel about him now?
Re: 63/fake claims in AP games, he does provide fake claims if necessary. in sabotage mafia it was on request and i dont remember if he gave fake claims to scum in house party (i think he may have, but on request?)
In post 69, sthar8 wrote:I promise I will engage and play in this game... just not right now.
ily sthar. who's town?
Actually, Wingback's comments are following my very train of thought. I like him more and more. 100 asking Sekai about Firebringer townread is pulled right out of my head.
In post 72, Firebringer wrote:I like wisdom playstyle but I kinda think could be scum given his thoughts just on flavor for this theme.
I'm not a fan of this post. At all. Sekai - has your read on Firebringer remained the same or changed at all?
In post 76, Wingback wrote:@ ETL, what's your read on Wisdom? I'm confused about whether you have an actual scumread there.
It was an actual scumread. At the time I felt like he was posturing and planning to deathtunnel me to avoid getting on any other wagons, and if he managed to get rid of me early, that would have been even better for him as scum.
In post 113, sekai no ki wrote:i don't like metal sonic either. i think asking titus to replace into the game is more likely to be coming from him as scum than him as town because of how successful they generally are as scum and how much he enjoys spam posting as scum (they spent the majority of their recent scum game, we the purple, deliberately making a bunch of spam posts and shitting up the thread and i think he would really be looking forward to doing the same thing with her again).
I didn't even think about it like that. I didn't see that game but yeah he did that in... not orgo (was it?), the other anti large theme game, where he was scum with pirate mollie (i think.... feck i have the worst memory). what do you think about his treatment of me so far? take a look at uh... uh... we just finished a game where he played me like a fiddle. i'll get it. i just want to get this post out first and then i'll get links. in that game, he totally strung me along townreading me and validating my shitty reads.
In post 113, sekai no ki wrote:i agree on wingback-town and, while i think the case on kaboose is mostly misguided (especially now that we know there's multiple people who appeared on a 90's show in the series), the point about him not asking any probing questions to follow up on it is a good one
Agree and agree. though i get the feeling that you think kaboose could be town here. can you expand a bit? i am not feeling great about him.
In post 114, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 113, sekai no ki wrote:i don't like metal sonic either. i think asking titus to replace into the game is more likely to be coming from him as scum than him as town because of how successful they generally are as scum and how much he enjoys spam posting as scum (they spent the majority of their recent scum game, we the purple, deliberately making a bunch of spam posts and shitting up the thread and i think he would really be looking forward to doing the same thing with her again).
thats rude as fuck
In post 115, Metal Sonic wrote:is that your first thought when i ask titus to play with me?
thats absolutely shallow and thats only 3 steps higher than what mollie insulted me with.
why is it rude?
In post 128, Firebringer wrote:Hi guys, I just wanted most recent post!
This is shit post, ignore it.
What are your reads at the moment?
In post 149, Metal Sonic wrote:i just iso'd polar. not liking what I see.
Explain.
Ok, ignoring everything after wisdom posted his screenshot.
In post 196, Polar Vortex wrote:In only 2 short weeks we had fallen so deeply in love with each that it scared the both of us - especially since we were both still quite young. Within 3 months he asked me to hydra with him - and after 9 months I finally said "yes".
omg i read this whole thing... dying.
In post 212, Metal Sonic wrote:We need to policy lynch ETL.
I'd understand if people decided to do that.
It's not, because I don't have a PT for this game. It's literally retarded, and more so because the whole thing is actually wrong. But like I said, I'd probably feel the same way if it wasn't me in this position.
THAT BEING SAID, that's scummy as fuck, MS.
AngryPidgeon wrote:Day 1 can continue as normal.
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k.
VOTE: firebringer
@sekai: this game - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=62192 BEES mafiaArt is cool.-
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In post 219, Firebringer wrote:We are No Lynching.
Stop trying to ruin Towns chances of winning nub.
I don't know who you are, but I hope you realize how fucking dumb this post sounds. You didn't even bother reading my posts or responding to them.Art is cool.-
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In post 231, Firebringer wrote:You are so bad, going to ignore your posts.
I mean you realize we just got information right? You are dumb town or scum.
Holy fuck who the hell do you think you are?
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In post 230, sekai no ki wrote:firebringer, what does wisdom's flip tell you about other players?
Yes, let's hear from the know-it-all what information we gained from the flip.Art is cool.-
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In post 235, Firebringer wrote:In post 230, sekai no ki wrote:firebringer, what does wisdom's flip tell you about other players?
Tells me Kaboose jumped from null to scum for me.
In post 232, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 231, Firebringer wrote:You are so bad, going to ignore your posts.
I mean you realize we just got information right? You are dumb town or scum.
Holy fuck who the hell do you think you are?
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Lol join date = skill level
So bad.
And yet with every post you demonstrate exactly how false that is in your case...Art is cool.-
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In post 235, Firebringer wrote:Tells me Kaboose jumped from null to scum for me.
You're going to have to do better than that. Explain why. And why, if he's scum, you feel like letting him live another day rather than voting for him right now?Art is cool.-
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In post 238, Polar Vortex wrote:gives him the perfect reason to sidestep my questions for him
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In post 255, sthar8 wrote:Wings and sonic. And I should be pretty solid town now too.
Agreed. No. Yes, I'm good with that for *reasons*.
I want you to look at sonic again though. Take a look at the game I linked.Art is cool.-
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Ok I'm here! For a few hours anyway
Looking forward to talking to sthar. Not liking MS. Claim and behavior is fishy at best; willing to let him go a night to see if he can redeem himself in some way.
Still don't like Firebringer either. Happy with my vote remaining there.
I'm confused on the Kaboose scum slip. Someone explain please?Art is cool.-
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In post 361, Metal Sonic wrote:I was adding a vote
This reads like you wanted to vote the largest wagon, which it wasn't, and you'd know that if you weren't skimming. I also know you don't skim as town.
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Kaboose wasn't the largest wagon. You thought he was based on where the herd was going. You voted, thinking you were adding to the largest wagon, hoping to get an easy lynch. Instead, you just showed me how you aren't even in touch with the game because you don't need to be, because you already know who town are.
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In post 377, Metal Sonic wrote:That says more about the Kaboose pushes than it does about me, don't you think?
It tells me a lot about both of you. If you're scum, I think that almost guarantees Kaboose is not, and vice versa.
Lots of noise with no votes often indicates an actual scum wagon, BUT your behavior so far has been far more sketch than Kaboose's imo, and there are lot more points against you right now than against Kaboose.Art is cool.-
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In post 377, Metal Sonic wrote:Why didn't Polar Bear vote his biggest scumread after writing a wall about it?
This is disingenuous considering they are a hydra and you know it often takes hydra more time to coordinate, especially if there is a definitive leader that one looks to for input more than the other, which is pretty clearly the case here. Whether they are town or scum doesn't change how that dynamic operates.Art is cool.-
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In post 380, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 378, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Kaboose wasn't the largest wagon. You thought he was based on where the herd was going. You voted, thinking you were adding to the largest wagon, hoping to get an easy lynch. Instead, you just showed me how you aren't even in touch with the game because you don't need to be, because you already know who town are.
p-edit: Scum bravado.
How can you justify your position, instead of "Metal Sonic was not skimming and he decided to start a new wagon since he knows that there were no votes on the player"?
Occam's razor. That makes no sense. I'm looking for cause/effect. Not "Here's a thing that's weird, let me make up a weirdo reason to justify it, rather than search for the actual reason."Art is cool.-
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In post 383, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 382, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 377, Metal Sonic wrote:Why didn't Polar Bear vote his biggest scumread after writing a wall about it?
This is disingenuous considering they are a hydra and you know it often takes hydra more time to coordinate, especially if there is a definitive leader that one looks to for input more than the other, which is pretty clearly the case here. Whether they are town or scum doesn't change how that dynamic operates.
Right. So I helped them.
What makes you think that is "scum wanting an easy lynch" instead of "Town wanting to help one another"?
The way you framed that question made it sound like you were trying to throw shade at them for it. Now you are saying you were trying to help them?
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In post 386, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 384, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:In post 380, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 378, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:Kaboose wasn't the largest wagon. You thought he was based on where the herd was going. You voted, thinking you were adding to the largest wagon, hoping to get an easy lynch. Instead, you just showed me how you aren't even in touch with the game because you don't need to be, because you already know who town are.
p-edit: Scum bravado.
How can you justify your position, instead of "Metal Sonic was not skimming and he decided to start a new wagon since he knows that there were no votes on the player"?
Occam's razor. That makes no sense. I'm looking for cause/effect. Not "Here's a thing that's weird, let me make up a weirdo reason to justify it, rather than search for the actual reason."
There's the problem, you see. You need to explain how you reached the Occam's razor of "Metal Sonic was skimming and mistakenly thought that it was the largest wagon."
You're already making 2 assumptions:
1. Metal Sonic is skimming.
2. Metal Sonic is wants to vote the largest wagon.
And two more bonus:
3. Metal Sonic's action is scum-motivated
4. Metal Sonic-Scum feels that Kaboose is an easy lynch.
Are you applying Occam's Razor correctly?
Here's how it occurred to me - I saw you make your vote and explain why when snowdra asked. The explanation sounded superficial to me, and I wanted to know why. So if you had another motive for placing your vote, what was it? In this game, there are two motives - town and scum. Town motive to place a vote should be based on suspicion and/or reaction gathering,neither of which you indicated,which means scum motivation, i.e. getting a town lynch as quickly as possible without being caught. So if that's true, why vote Kaboose over someone else? Like Firebringer (answer: because he's probably partner here). It must be because you thought that's where the vote needed to go. So how could you have missed that he had no votes? Must be because you've been skimming, which also supports the idea that it is scum motivation behind the vote, rather than town.
It is very easy to skim a thread and get a gist of where the town is moving. You thought the town was moving on Kaboose, you jumped.
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But the point was a general one in that his statement read to me like he was trying to cast suspicion on your slot by saying that you didn't vote despite writing a wall about a suspicion that you had, which I found to be disingenuous regarding hydra in general.
With him now saying he's townreading you, negates the statement, however, I really feel like that was the intention. His reads are flipfloppy and make zero sense, and none of them really substantiated.Art is cool.-
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In post 397, Polar Vortex wrote:In post 396, EspeciallyTheLies wrote:But the point was a general one in that his statement read to me like he was trying to cast suspicion on your slot by saying that you didn't vote despite writing a wall about a suspicion that you had, which I found to be disingenuous regarding hydra in general.
With him now saying he's townreading you, negates the statement, however, I really feel like that was the intention. His reads are flipfloppy and make zero sense, and none of them really substantiated.
Yes, it also looked to me like he was casting doubt. But I don't understand the motivation of changing his read there...
Because I called him out on it right away and now he is backpedaling.Art is cool.-
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In post 399, Polar Vortex wrote:ETL, you may have missed my point against Kaboose. It's an acute version of yours on Sonic. He mentioned he voted firebringer because other people(me and you) jumped on him. That's the wall(if you think that's a wall... ) he's mentioned(and also the "scumslip")
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In post 401, Metal Sonic wrote:Here's an analogy. B walks up to a girl in a bar and says, "Hi". You, upon seeing this, immediately call B out for "attempting to rape a minor". Your explanation is that "He was striking up conversation with a young girl whom he did not know", and "The girl is young and pretty", therefore, using your rule that "Men usually talk to young pretty girls in order to go to bed with them", you finally arrive at the aforementioned conclusion. None of your speculations, however, are supported by the evidence.
Except in your analogy you are assuming a false dichotomy, whereas in this situation, there is EITHER town motivation OR scum motivation. I ruled out town motivation as I did not see it. You then saying it is there whether you show it or not does nothing for me, unless I see it. The burden of proof is on you to show me that you are town if you are. The burden on me is to determine your alignment correctly. If you don't show it to me, whose fault is it that you are read one way or the other? Mine? Or yours? You are not exhibiting town signals. Therefore, I wonder why they are missing.Art is cool.-
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In post 414, Metal Sonic wrote:But if I did not skim?
Again, we come back to the initial line that I responded to - you said you just decided to add it. Why would you just decide to do so? If town, then it must be due to some suspicion, except you've made no mention of such suspicion. So, yes, I have ruled that out because you have not provided this as such a reason, and in fact, despite it being brought up several times, still have not said anything about suspicion on Kaboose.
Therefore, there is another reason this vote was made. You made no mention of townreading the snowdra (I'm sorry, I can't remember the actual name - I'll get it in a second). Yet when pressured to explain your vote, your first response is NOT "I was helping them push a target" (which... um.. you did in BEES with me), it was "to add a vote".
So then you decide to backpedal and say it was because you wanted to help them push the wagon, and then clarify that you are town reading them and this is why, despite saying at first that it was just to add the vote.
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In post 419, Polar Vortex wrote:I actually agree with MS on this. The fact that technically people didn't vote kaboose doesn't mean he wasn't paying attention. The distinction is superficial
No no. It's not that by itself. It's the fact that he said he just wanted to "add it". Don't you see that the language implies he thought there were already votes there?Art is cool.-
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In post 422, Polar Vortex wrote:the fact that people weren't actually voting him is a bit irrelevant
Actually quite the opposite. It says a lot about the game state and those who are making the noise without the votes.
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