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In post 24, Creature wrote:RVS being over.
How does town-reading Shannon and Dark Horse make algebra votable in your eyes?In post 26, Creature wrote:I am kind of townreading shannon and Dark House. I wanted to get out of the RVS.
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If I had to guess it's because I played my first scum game with him, so he knows what to look for (I'm new here, only 2 scum games so far).In post 28, Dark Horse wrote:Creature how are you townreading shannon
What makes you think that it's not just newbie caution?In post 40, Dark Horse wrote:34 and 35 both sound way too cautious. That second line in 35 feels really forced
So... if you think she's scum, then why does someone lynching her mean they're scum? Shouldn't it be the opposite?In post 53, Dark Horse wrote:Dude I literally answered your first question earlier today. Try to actuallycomprehendstuff before asking questions
If someone hammered her at L-1 right now then they've basically admitted that they're scum.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Ok, so Dark Horse is still harping on about shannon and the pros and cons of putting someone at L-1 right now, complaining that we need to see more of the day first, but while simultaneously contributing nothing but D1 theory play.In post 71, Dark Horse wrote:She hasn't said anything that changes my opinion. How are you getting a strong town vibe
Meanwhile, half the game is mute.
So, I'm going to ask you for the second time, do you have reads besides Shannon?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Oh, I thought I'd answered that question before.
Shannon seems town to me, because as someone who has ICed and SEed and in general been in a lot of Newbie games, her cautiousness and approach to the game screams newtown to me. It's also exactly how I acted in my first few games as town, so I guess that gives me positive vibes from here. As you can probably imply, when someone comes in and started pushing a new player that looks town, using bullshit reasons looks shady as fuck to me.
To me, you just look like you're trying to look busy, which is also something that a few players are doing here. They difference is that you continue to divert away from giving me any sort of reads and are just like SHANNON IS SCUM BECAUSE SHE'S TOO CAUTIOUS!!!, when at the same time you're the one telling everyone that we shouldn't be putting anyone to L-1 because "we need more day discussion!"
Which is something I would normally agree with, but the fact that you said that, and then continued pushing the same person in posts such as "vote shannon, she's scum" with no other real content kind of makes me thing that you're posting to us about why we should have MORE DISCUSSION in an effort to look like town.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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why what no whyIn post 100, Aeronaut wrote:i really would like to lynch algebra tbh2023 W/L | 1-0-
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In what ways is creature encouraging activity? I really don't have any impression of him yet this game which is bothering me. What do you see that I don't?In post 105, shannon wrote: Creature is giving reads (even if they're fairly naked ones) and trying to encourage activity so again, town-for-now
Um... why are you assuming scum have day talk?Algebra's ISO looks scummy so far, with the wagon hopping, but I don't know whether scum would be that obvious? He is even newer than I am so maybe it's newbie scum and the partner isn't around to give advice? Null leaning slightly to scum
Well what's the issue with putting people at L-1? I don't get your reluctance here.In post 106, shannon wrote:I would vote Algebra but I don't want anyone at L-1 yet. So onward up the list I go.
VOTE: Flames
Gr8In post 117, algebra wrote:I was still sorting out the game
Hi Postie! What makes you think that Dark Horse is town, because I don't see that very much.In post 131, Postie wrote:Skimmed the game; Dark Horse is probably town, can't tell if algebra is newbtown or newbscum. More to come in a few hours.
See, I feel though that Algebra's doing nothing to sort the game, and just is joining whatever wagon. Up to this point, TB looked really newbtown to me. Was there something else that made you think differently or is it like just how he postsIn post 140, Postie wrote:As much as I hate posts like 110, 122, and 126, and can see why he got run up, overall I'm leaning newbtown on algebra now. I feel like I can sort-of see a thought process behind his posts maybe? The fact he isn't making a show of it and instead refuses to elaborate on anything feels like stubborn town. I do not endorse this wagon.
VOTE: ThinkBig
This is much better.
This looks like newtown to me. I feel like he'd have hammered or at least intended to hammer here otherwise. Idk
I really feel the complete opposite. TB's posting is almost identical to what I see from new town when I'm ICing, where most new scum just kind of are afraid to do anything but let their partner do the talking.In post 151, Postie wrote:
Because algebra feels like he's actually thinking and just being obstinate, whereas Think Big feels like he isn't thinking at all due to the fact he's saying a lot of things without forming any opinions.In post 150, shannon wrote:@Postie how can you tell that Alegebra is 'newbie town' but scum read Think Big, who has the same level of newbiness?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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[Postie, Shannon]
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I think postie and shannon are pretty easily town for now. Think Big is leaning pretty town for me too.
Creature I don't know yet. I'd like him to contribute more. Still retain my scum read of Dark Horse, and Algebra has done little to make me think he's town2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Because again... it makes so much less sense for scum-you to come in and derail the lynch, or at least it does from my perspective. I've also seen your scum play, and this doesn't feel like it.In post 162, Postie wrote:
What makes you think I'm not scum white knighting?In post 160, Aeronaut wrote:because it would have been really easy for you to come in and say "Yeah I agree Algebra is scum" and just intent to hammer, and most people in this game wouldn't suspect you for it
Posts like this:And why are you townreading shannon so strongly?
Shannon is pretty clearly articulating her logic and progression here, and telling us the specifics of her thinking. I don't feel like it'd be this clear or make this much sense without a plethora of excuses had she had to fabricate these reasons.In post 163, shannon wrote:@Aeronaut Re: 157 (because I still can't work out how to break up big quotes)
1) Creature gave me the impression that he was participating and encouraging others to do so, if only by doing things like saying RVS was ended, and throwing out reads that seemed to encourage response or more questioning. I agree it's not the strongest read in the world, for sure, but at that point in the game it was 'enough'.
2) I don't necessarily mean that scum have day talk, but isn't it fairly normal that scum get to have a wee chat before the day starts? I don't know how usual it would be for scum to get day talk in a game this small, or even, is there likely to be more than one scum to look for?
3) I don't like L-1ing someone if I'm not happy for them to be hammered. I do it occasionally (and sometimes accidentally), but at this early stage in the game I think it's not the right time. Especially if the candidate is a newbie. If say, you or Creature had done enough scummy stuff that I thought you were worthy of a vote, and you failed to defend yourself to the newbies in the game, then I'd L-1 for sure. I guess I'm trying to leave room for newbie error. (Though given that I'm a newbie, that might be an error on my part, too).2023 W/L | 1-0-
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I guess compared to the amount of inactivity in the game, Creature's activity is higher than the normIn post 163, shannon wrote:@Aeronaut Re: 157 (because I still can't work out how to break up big quotes)
1) Creature gave me the impression that he was participating and encouraging others to do so, if only by doing things like saying RVS was ended, and throwing out reads that seemed to encourage response or more questioning. I agree it's not the strongest read in the world, for sure, but at that point in the game it was 'enough'.
The reason it's confusing me is that you said it like you thought people were getting coached.2) I don't necessarily mean that scum have day talk, but isn't it fairly normal that scum get to have a wee chat before the day starts? I don't know how usual it would be for scum to get day talk in a game this small, or even, is there likely to be more than one scum to look for?
Fair, but people have to be pushed some time.3) I don't like L-1ing someone if I'm not happy for them to be hammered. I do it occasionally (and sometimes accidentally), but at this early stage in the game I think it's not the right time. Especially if the candidate is a newbie. If say, you or Creature had done enough scummy stuff that I thought you were worthy of a vote, and you failed to defend yourself to the newbies in the game, then I'd L-1 for sure. I guess I'm trying to leave room for newbie error. (Though given that I'm a newbie, that might be an error on my part, too).
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Because I wasn't here really and this game is filled with newbies who wouldn't care either way. You're scum, you don't want to prolong the day, yea?In post 165, Postie wrote:
Why?In post 164, Aeronaut wrote:Because again... it makes so much less sense for scum-you to come in and derail the lynch, or at least it does from my perspective.
From what I saw in word sneak, you as scum took a backseat role and let the town kind of hash each other out. Here you're making a show of yourself.
Elaborate.In post 164, Aeronaut wrote:I've also seen your scum play, and this doesn't feel like it.
105. Pretty good example from what I'm talking about. New scum doesn't make that post.
Give me an example from before you gave your read on her please.In post 164, Aeronaut wrote:Posts like this:
I actually townread shannon for the same reasons I've decided you're town, she's incredibly present and in the spotlight, asking people to get prodded / be more active in general. If that doesn't scream new town I don't know what does.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Because why allow there to be time for interactions to happen with you? We're in a 7p game. You'd think scum would be aiming to end the day quick and pretty much rob town of any sort of real interaction. I feel like that'd cripple town?In post 170, Postie wrote:
Unless it gets me towncred. If enough people are gunning for an algebra lynch already, he'd just end up being lynched another day anyway so what does it matter to me?In post 167, Aeronaut wrote:Because I wasn't here really and this game is filled with newbies who wouldn't care either way. You're scum, you don't want to prolong the day, yea?
Backseat role? Were we reading the same game? I deathtunneled the shit out of my partner.[/quote]In post 167, Aeronaut wrote:From what I saw in word sneak, you as scum took a backseat role and let the town kind of hash each other out. Here you're making a show of yourself.
Not in your entrance.
Aero, that's a goddamn basic list of safe as fuck reads, with a sentence of justification for each. I'm not sure what I'm missing here, but you should probably point it out to me. You're better than this.[/quote]In post 167, Aeronaut wrote:105. Pretty good example from what I'm talking about. New scum doesn't make that post.
I mean I don't know what game you're reading, but we're on page 7 right now. If you expect a full reads list with detailed analysis at this point, I don't know what to tell you? Shannon has contributed the most to the game in my opinion out of any other player at that point2023 W/L | 1-0-
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What are you talking about? Dark Horse has been around since 2010?In post 171, Postie wrote:
His posts read as brazen, ballsy, and unfiltered. Certainly not the kind of attitude I'd expect a fumbling newb like him to be able to fake.In post 169, Aeronaut wrote:Postie why in the world do you think DH is town?
I'm as baffled by your scumread on him as you allegedly are of my townread.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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And I'm not getting any sort of brazen or ballsy from his posts. What he's done today is tunnel Shannon for what seemed like little to no reason, and then gave us one of the thinnest lines of reasonings possible (see 89). And then he backpedalled and basically jumped on the next viable wagon which was algebra2023 W/L | 1-0-
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No... as I said, everyone in this game really seemed fine with it at the time. So, no. This is a game of mostly newbies and me, who can't read shit.In post 176, Postie wrote:
Sure, but... you don't think that'd make me look scummy as all heck?In post 172, Aeronaut wrote:Because why allow there to be time for interactions to happen with you? We're in a 7p game. You'd think scum would be aiming to end the day quick and pretty much rob town of any sort of real interaction. I feel like that'd cripple town?
Do you want to keep debating why you're town in circles or would you like to answer some of my questions please?
Please tell me where I ever said there was nothing bad about the post? Again, what are you talking about?
You're completely sidestepping the issue. You said 105 was a good example of "what you were talking about" without saying what that meant, and that it made you townread shannon. I pointed out that I couldn't see anything special whatsoever about that post. Now you're saying "well, there's nothingIn post 172, Aeronaut wrote:I mean I don't know what game you're reading, but we're on page 7 right now. If you expect a full reads list with detailed analysis at this point, I don't know what to tell you? Shannon has contributed the most to the game in my opinion out of any other player at that pointbadabout the post and shannon has contributed a lot" which completely misses the point.
So I'll ask again:what's so special about post 105? Why does it make you townread shannon?
As I've said, 105 is a reads list where one wasn't really required. It's pretty good considering the amount of information the game had on page five. If that same reads list was posted in twenty pages, I'd probably have a different viewpoint.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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So it's just the fact that it was unprompted? I guess I'll make a note of that for any future games with you where I'm scum; early readslist = instatowncred, sweet.[/quote]In post 177, Aeronaut wrote:As I've said, 105 is a reads list where one wasn't really required. It's pretty good considering the amount of information the game had on page five. If that same reads list was posted in twenty pages, I'd probably have a different viewpoint.
Literally, yes. I don't know why that's so hard for you to get right now.
Let's break it down so any living human can understand. It is ~page 5. There is almost nothing going on in this game (which is my fault just as much as it is everyone elses). Shannon, even though every single other player is lurking the hell out of this, continues to post her thoughts on players and on the game and makes a decent effort to get people to become more active. If this were a more experienced player, I'd say yea, that's easy to fake. But I just don't see someone who is new to the game going against the grain and continuing being the center of attention. It doesn't make sense to actively get the game going again from a scum perspective. It shouldn't take you five posts to understand that.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Have you read the game yet? Specifically I'd say 45, 60, 77, 113 and admittedly I had thought she was the one that asked for me and Flames to be prodded, and I guess I'm wrong about that since I can't find that in the ISO.In post 185, Postie wrote:
Where is she encouraging activity?In post 181, Aeronaut wrote:Shannon, even though every single other player is lurking the hell out of this, continues to post her thoughts on players and on the game and makes a decent effort to get people to become more active.
"Mafia Scum"In post 181, Aeronaut wrote:If this were a more experienced player, I'd say yea, that's easy to fake. But I just don't see someone who is new
She has enough experience. Join dates mean very little.
Which reminds me...[/quote]
That's your opinion, Postie. Join dates mean a lot to most of us on-site. New players follow the same patterns almost every time. You don't have to believe me, but we're not lynching Shannon today. Or TB for that matter.
Ok.... Then if you really believe that join dates mean very little, why are you trying to use that to tell me that DH is town?
Missed this earlier. Note his player title please - Mafia Goon. That in combination with the general "I barely know what I'm doing" vibe he gives off makes him firmly a newb in my eyes.In post 173, Aeronaut wrote:What are you talking about? Dark Horse has been around since 2010?
And, barring the argument that his player title is at all Alignment Indicative, lets be less general here. You think that he's "bold and brazen." What about my other points? Why ignore those? His tunneling on shannon to look busy, and the reasoning was so paper thin there anyway. He refused to give any sort of reads and just knee jerk attacked me when I gave a lick of pressure. I'm sorry, but he's screaming scum to me. Saying "Oh he's bold and brazen and scum don't do that" is just factually untrue.
What part of that post went "against the grain"? What part of it made her the center of attention? What part of it opened her up to criticism or wasn't safe as fuck?[/quote] she gave stances while your slot had posted an RVS vote and nothing moreIn post 181, Aeronaut wrote:to the game going against the grain and continuing being the center of attention. It doesn't make sense to actively get the game going again from a scum perspective. It shouldn't take you five posts to understand that.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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So you're wasting everyone's time. You can answer all of the things I've asked you before I continue splitting hairs on non-issues. Especially if you plan on using a player title as an argument.In post 186, Postie wrote:
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And here you are, now following what Postie is doing just like you were following my read of algebra.In post 192, Dark Horse wrote:Shannon's 105 did very little to generate discussion, as evidenced by the fact thatliterally no one discussedit until Aeronaut brought it up now.
... no it didn't. You're "push" on shannon to which you later admitted was just because you didn't feel good about one single post and had no real reasoning as to why; please point out any place where that generated any sort of discussion, because the only discussion I see that it created was me realizing you're likely scum this game.Compare that to my push on shannon, which actually generated discussion.
Please lay out a case for why she is scum. Also, can you tell me why you decided Algebra was more deserving of your vote than her when you switched? Thanks.In post 193, Dark Horse wrote:Plus complaining about activity in the thread but not doing anything else does nothing to encourage activity. I honestly have no idea how you think that shannon has contributed the most to this game
...I know. I never said it did? These are posts that are about her activity, not 105. What are you talking about?
Ok, but in most of her posting, she seems to be very genuine to me, just as you somehow think that the handful of shitposts that Algebra calls an ISO is somehow genuine. AGAIN, she could have very easily been much less active and allowing the game the die instead of continually posting.(And in all of those posts except the last one she doesn't engage with any player, instead complaining about the lack of content while not producing any useful content herself. Jfc.)
Ok, I actually did not know that our player titles changed without the use of the title fairy. As far as I'm concerned, they're both new. Your argument on Dark Horse still doesn't make any sense regardless.
You don't magically get better if you sign-up and don't play any games, just because a certain amount of time has elapsed. Join dates would only mean something if they indicated how much experience someone has, which they don't; that's what their player title does, since it's a reflection of how many posts they've made in games.In post 187, Aeronaut wrote:That's your opinion, Postie. Join dates mean a lot to most of us on-site. New players follow the same patterns almost every time. You don't have to believe me, but we're not lynching Shannon today. Or TB for that matter.
What? So shaky reads don't matter...? ok, well can you show me where at all he "committed" to them? The point i'm trying to get across to you is that he
I don't care how shaky his reads or reasoning were, the point is that he was committed to them and willing to charge headfirst into attacking shit and make himself the center of attention (didn't you townread shannon for that?), despite the heat he got for it. I'd expect scum!DH to be far more cautious, especially considering he doesn't have a huge amount of experience on the site yet (and no, that's not me making an argument based off his player title; it simply strengthens my point).In post 187, Aeronaut wrote:His tunneling on shannon to look busy, and the reasoning was so paper thin there anyway. He refused to give any sort of reads and just knee jerk attacked me when I gave a lick of pressure. I'm sorry, but he's screaming scum to me. Saying "Oh he's bold and brazen and scum don't do that" is just factually untrue.didn'tcommit to them. He had exactly one read he was pushing very hard, which was Shannon. He went with the "X is scum, vote them please" without reasoning early game schtick that almost always comes from scum. He seemed very sure of this read but then cited like ONE LINE OF ONE POST and said "oh this sounded too cautious" which is absolute bullshit.
The point is, though, that he IMMEDIATELY backtracked. As soon as the shannon wagon goes nowhere, he immediately backtracked and was like yeah I can get behind Algebra and just jumped on there. He hasn't really pushed her much after that. Not to mention, when you showed up Postie and voted ThinkBig, he immediately 180'd his townread on him and immediately started showing shade on him and calling him scum. If anything, Dark Horse is going with the flow as much as possible.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Oh wow who could have guessedIn post 195, Postie wrote:In post 189, shannon wrote:@Postie are you scum reading Aeronaut?
Bingo.In post 189, shannon wrote:What on Earth were the past few pages about then? The only thing I can come up with is that you are scum reading Aero and think that his read on me is fake. Is that what's going on?
Oh, jeeze, no it's not. 9/10 times, scum, especially new scum will put a player at L-1 because again, all they really know is that they need to end the day sooner rather than later. It's ballsy for newtown, because new town are almost always concerned with getting as much conversation as possible. New players don't usually have the capacity to fake that, so they instead vie for raising the lynch ASAP.In post 196, Postie wrote:
To address your "I don't see how he's being ballsy":In post 174, Aeronaut wrote:And I'm not getting any sort of brazen or ballsy from his posts. What he's done today is tunnel Shannon for what seemed like little to no reason, and then gave us one of the thinnest lines of reasonings possible (see 89). And then he backpedalled and basically jumped on the next viable wagon which was algebra
1) Putting someone to L-1 early and without warning is ballsy for newbscum
Ok, here's my problem with it though; save 44, all of those "aggressive tones" are being used only when he has to defend himself from me or someone else. Hardly ever is he being aggressive to push a player in those posts, it's just that he gets flustered and very angry when you start accusing him of things, which too reads as awfully scummy to me.
He has shown no aggression in trying to push other people, and still just jumps on whoever the bigger players (e.g. you and I) are voting. See his vote on Algebra, see his shade on Thinkbig, directly after each of us started moving that way. There's no actual original reads that he has besides those two town reads that he's since 180'd on anyway, and shannon who he's not pushing.
.... I mean you took about 15 posts of throwing shade at me to admit that you find me scummy, so this is kind of a double standard.In post 197, Postie wrote:Oh yeah and I spotted this on my first readthrough but forgot about it:
I don't have the words to explain it right now but this statement screams town to me.In post 87, Dark Horse wrote:There you go, I was wondering how long it was going to take for you to come out and actually say that I'm scum.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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I think I said I liked shannon for encouraging discussion, and 105 just because she was giving stances when she didn't have to.In post 205, Postie wrote:
When I asked where she was encouraging discussion, I meant in post 105, because you said you liked it for encouraging discussion.In post 200, Aeronaut wrote:...I know. I never said it did? These are posts that are about her activity, not 105. What are you talking about?
I'll try to articulate why it sounds genuine if you do that for me with Algebra.
That doesn't mean much to me unless you explainIn post 200, Aeronaut wrote:Ok, but in most of her posting, she seems to be very genuine to me, just as you somehow think that the handful of shitposts that Algebra calls an ISO is somehow genuine.whyshe sounds genuine. I can explain why algebra sounds genuine, but I want to focus on sorting you and getting your DH read straightened out.
And if by "straightening out" my DH read you mean getting me to change my vote, then you're not going to accomplish that today. You've provided us with no other case on anybody else except for ThinkBig, which is minimal at best. You've also given me no points on why my reasoning on DH is wrong. I have a very solid case here and it's time that you join me on this wagon.
Feel free to tell me why I should vote otherwise, because you also haven't really bothered to do that.
Ok, please and thank you tell me all the places in which Algebra's posts have any significant value. And it doesn't read as busywork to me, it reads like she has a pretty logical progression, where as someone like DH or Algebra is just throwing shit at the wall and hoping it sticks.
Sure, but posting nothing of significant value isn't really much better and could easily be scum busywork.In post 200, Aeronaut wrote:AGAIN, she could have very easily been much less active and allowing the game the die instead of continually posting.
I mean maybe not by your standards, but by mine they are. Looking back at my seventh game, I was scum and had zero idea what to do.
Someone with 1000+ posts and 7 completed games is not a newbie!In post 200, Aeronaut wrote:As far as I'm concerned, they're both new.
You didn't answer most of my points here. On reads, are you saying that you really think it's townie to abandon reads on a whim just because a wagon is forming?
He committed to to his stances in the moment, even if he didn't do so in the long term. I'll look into how his reads evolved a bit more though. Meanwhile, I'd like your thoughts on 198.In post 200, Aeronaut wrote:What? So shaky reads don't matter...? ok, well can you show me where at all he "committed" to them? The point i'm trying to get across to you is that hedidn'tcommit to them. He had exactly one read he was pushing very hard, which was Shannon. He went with the "X is scum, vote them please" without reasoning early game schtick that almost always comes from scum. He seemed very sure of this read but then cited like ONE LINE OF ONE POST and said "oh this sounded too cautious" which is absolute bullshit.
The point is, though, that he IMMEDIATELY backtracked. As soon as the shannon wagon goes nowhere, he immediately backtracked and was like yeah I can get behind Algebra and just jumped on there. He hasn't really pushed her much after that. Not to mention, when you showed up Postie and voted ThinkBig, he immediately 180'd his townread on him and immediately started showing shade on him and calling him scum. If anything, Dark Horse is going with the flow as much as possible.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Look! He's Balsy and aggressive! He must be town postie.In post 209, Dark Horse wrote:
For supposedly not being a newbie you are dense as fuckAnd if by "straightening out" my DH read you mean getting me to change my vote, then you're not going to accomplish that today. You've provided us with no other case on anybody else except for ThinkBig, which is minimal at best. You've also given me no points on why my reasoning on DH is wrong. I have a very solid case here and it's time that you join me on this wagon.
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I thought I had replied to this before, guess not
What I see in these posts is that I question Dark Horse for trying to look busy without providing anything new, and he gets immediately defensive and attacks ad hominem. Instead of giving reads or any source of reasoning, he says "WELL WHAT ARE YOUR READS!", and even implies that I don't have any which just isn't true as is evident by my posting immediately after.In post 198, Postie wrote:I also like the way DH approaches Aero:
In post 69, Dark Horse wrote:lol @ Aeronaut thinking I'm tunneling just because I'm actually trying to put some effort wrt a scum readIn post 83, Dark Horse wrote:Aeronaut what are your readsIn post 84, Dark Horse wrote:And if you answer "nothing solid" then you have no right to say that i'm tunneling
You can see his line of thought goIn post 87, Dark Horse wrote:There you go, I was wondering how long it was going to take for you to come out and actually say that I'm scum. Trying to discredit me only to vote algebra was a bad move
Creature's town, thinkbig's slightly town
So I asked you this before, why is shannon town? It's annoying that instead of answering this you've tried to discredit my push instead. The fact that you asked me to clarify the hammering stuff, and then then tried attacking me for clarifying hammering stuff was terrible.
acknowledge Aero's criticism while thinking it's dumb -> become suspicious of Aero's motives and start questioning him -> openly and aggressively criticise Aero -> start to openly call into question Aero's motives
The point of my posting was that Dark Horse called Shannon scum, saying everyone needs to pile on shannon, etc. Then, he makes a post later in the wagon saying he's not 100% sure and that she could be town? And then abandoned that read all together. So that's why I criticized that response.
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here you goIn post 207, Dark Horse wrote:
Don't try to take any credit for that. algebra's posts since 99 are the scummiest content in this entire game. Anyone who didn't at least consider algebra scum was doing a poor job scumhunting. Notice how outside of creature's very early vote, no one aside from you was voting algebra before that. People who started suspecting algebra (such as me and shannon) did so primarily on the basis of algebra's wagon hopping and further interactions, which is very different than if we were trying to sheep you.And here you are, now following what Postie is doing just like you were following my read of algebra.In post 100, Aeronaut wrote:i really would like to lynch algebra tbhIn post 102, Dark Horse wrote:
I can get behind this. 99 is janky as hell, plus the general lack of contributionIn post 100, Aeronaut wrote:i really would like to lynch algebra tbhIn post 106, shannon wrote:I would vote Algebra but I don't want anyone at L-1 yet. So onward up the list I go.
VOTE: Flames
This page of posts also underlines another reason why shannon looks town and you don't; you jump right onto algebra after I said I may want to lynch him. Shannon has the opportunity to and doesn't because there was still a slot who hadn't spoken. You're just sitting around waiting for something to jump on.In post 114, Dark Horse wrote:@mod can we get a replacement for flames, he clearly doesn't give a shit about this game
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Are you fucking kidding me? My push on shannon was what started legitimate discussion in this thread. Me vs shannon and me vs you were the first legitimate debates in this thread. Before it was rvs and people saying "oh lets vote an inactive to pressure" and then preceding to do absolutely jack shit. Literally this entire postie-me-you discussion comes from what I've said. Compre that to shannon's read list. [/quote]... no it didn't. You're "push" on shannon to which you later admitted was just because you didn't feel good about one single post and had no real reasoning as to why; please point out any place where that generated any sort of discussion, because the only discussion I see that it created was me realizing you're likely scum this game
give me posts that you define as discussion that you created by voting Shannon without stating your reasoning.
The Postie discussion is coming from Postie, not you. We're just deciding whether to lynch you or not, and that's your main contribution to this conversation. I'm glad you've started to join and ask me things too instead of letting postie do all the work.
Why on earth would I lay out a case for you, considering the leaps and bounds of logic you're willing to take to say that she's town[/quote]Please lay out a case for why she is scum. Also, can you tell me why you decided Algebra was more deserving of your vote than her when you switched? Thanks.
So you do not have a case. You understand that you're not helping anybody to understand why we should vote with you if you're not going to provide reasoning, right?
Ok, you did. Would you say algebra is still the scummiest?I already answered your second question multiple times including posts 121
Please show me some posts by Flames, Thinkbig, Algebra, you, or myself that are less lazy/genuine, because I don't see any.
Her activity posts are among some of the laziest content you can attempt to provide in order to "look busy." They're more scummy than town, as it makes a person look like they're participating without actually having to produce any content.Ok, but in most of her posting, she seems to be very genuine to me, just as you somehow think that the handful of shitposts that Algebra calls an ISO is somehow genuine. AGAIN, she could have very easily been much less active and allowing the game the die instead of continually posting.
Yeah, and that's fine, but my issue is that you refused to give me your thoughts on any other player, or to use anything of the reactions you got from pushing her. You push people and pressure them for reactions, but all you were doing was saying "Shannon is scum. Everyone should vote Shannon" which is helping nothing and nobody.
Do you not understand what pressure is? Day starts, I see shannon doing something somewhat scummy. Instead of being comtent with rvs voting or voting an inactive, I decide to try and get some pressure going, in order to get a better sense of whether shannon is town or scum.What? So shaky reads don't matter...? ok, well can you show me where at all he "committed" to them? The point i'm trying to get across to you is that he didn't commit to them. He had exactly one read he was pushing very hard, which was Shannon. He went with the "X is scum, vote them please" without reasoning early game schtick that almost always comes from scum. He seemed very sure of this read but then cited like ONE LINE OF ONE POST and said "oh this sounded too cautious" which is absolute bullshit.
That's a shady as fuck reason for how sure you were trying to make it seem. Either way, I'm more focused on the fact that you were trying to look busy and eventually backtracked anyway.You're also claiming that I gave no reasons for inisitally voting, which is completely wrong.
I gave reasons immediately after I voted. The only way you could have missed it is if you were trying to be reachy as fuckIn post 40, Dark Horse wrote:34 and 35 both sound way too cautious. That second line in 35 feels really forced
What would you say Shannon's alignment is now?
After looking back, you're right, you didn't explicitly call him scum, and that's my bad. You did tell me though that you had had a townread on him, and now you've sort of redacted that? What's your current read on him?
I said I'm not sure whether thinkbig's post is indicative dumbtown or dumb scum. There's a reason why I'm not voting him, and that's because I'm leaning towards dumb town more than dumb scum.Not to mention, when you showed up Postie and voted ThinkBig, he immediately 180'd his townread on him and immediately started showing shade on him and calling him scum. If anything, Dark Horse is going with the flow as much as possible.
Good thing you redacted the first part of this post where I say that 44 is an exception to that. As I've said, in what Postie cited as you being "aggressive", 3/4 of those posts were just you yelling and complaining because I was pushing you in the slightest way. Thats not aggression, it's flailing.
It's funny how when I was first pushing shannnon you were passive aggresively complaining about how I was tunneling her asking me stuff like "are you really going to tunnel for all of D1?" when it was lke the 2 or 3rd irl day and now suddenly I'm the one who's being too passiveHe has shown no aggression in trying to push other people, and still just jumps on whoever the bigger players (e.g. you and I) are voting. See his vote on Algebra, see his shade on Thinkbig, directly after each of us started moving that way. There's no actual original reads that he has besides those two town reads that he's since 180'd on anyway, and shannon who he's not pushing.
Again, you're the one that's commenting on the conversation I'm having with Postie. Feel free to go do whatever you want with Algebra. I still feel like he could be scum; if you want to present a case to me as to why he's worse the you, go ahead.And I haven't been pushing shannon because I've been dealing with oushing algebra and now I have to deal with you2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Yeah, but to me it feels like you didn't say anything about it until I was on board. As you can see from the shitstorm of quote-walls in this game, trying to get a lynch through that I don't agree with is going to be difficult, especially since we've got 7 people which is way too small to making dumb lynches. Granted, It's not like it was that long in between the time where Algebra puked all over the game and the time when I said he'd probably be a good lynch, so maybe I should give you a pass there.In post 214, Dark Horse wrote:In post 110, algebra wrote:Why am I always scumread gosh darn it going from a player that I pushed for being inactive to someone that I think is scum isn't even wagonhoppingIn post 111, Dark Horse wrote:Why did you only jump on thinkbig after creature suggested thinkbig scum firstIn post 114, Dark Horse wrote:@mod can we get a replacement for flames, he clearly doesn't give a shit about this game
VOTE: AlgebraIn post 115, algebra wrote:
I would've voted thinkbig regardless if creature did or notIn post 111, Dark Horse wrote:Why did you only jump on thinkbig after creature suggested thinkbig scum first
The primary purpose of these interactions was to determinne if algebra was noobtown or noobscum. I said that I'd be willing to lymch because nothing gets noobscum more nervous than more people being willing to lynch them. I found that algebra was unable to answer several questions that a noobtown would have probably been able to answer. What did you do again? Vote an inactive, and then say you'd love to lynch him with no reason give?In post 116, Dark Horse wrote:Then why didn't you do it earlier
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Postie just did a similar thing for about two pages on me, but I don't see you calling her out for it?In post 216, Dark Horse wrote:
You're questions were a thinly veiled attempt at discrediting my post without having to call me scum. Especially considering some if your questions (Asking me if I'm going to tunnel a read right after I decide to pursue it?), I was incredibly skeptical of your intentionsIn post 212, Aeronaut wrote:Again postie, I don't see how you don't look at those four posts and see someone who trying to discredit me for pushing him, instead of actually responding to any of things I was asking.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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It's four in the morning and I need to act in two shows tomorrow so I need to pick this up in the morning; Postie, the reason I'm asking you about your algebra reads in certain places is because I'm trying to show you that you're applying a double standard. You can't be asking me about every single thing I've said about Shannon and Dark Horse when you've got so much unexplained stuff on your own. I want to know why you think algebra is town, really. You had said before I think that Algebra reads to you as genuine. I feel like if you're going to ask me how I think Shannon feels genuine, you should have to answer that same thing about your read, especially since I'm scum reading that player and would like to hear why exactly you oppose that lynch2023 W/L | 1-0-
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What? In the span of four posts he discredits me, calls me scum, and basically says I'm shit player. You just described to me exactly my own reasoning for why he's scum. It's not a "gradient" if it's in the span of like 20 minutesIn post 221, Postie wrote:
I'd expect newbscum, or anyone with DH's jumpy/aggressive character, to fake a push like this in a much more two-dimensional way by quickly/immediately blowing up at you and calling you scum. Instead, DH displays more of a gradient of suspicion, and does so in quite a subtle way rather than one which makes a show of his thought process.In post 211, Aeronaut wrote:
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I think a big reason we have such opposite reads is because I guess we see things as differently indicative. I don't remember if you're originally from offsite or maybe just have different experiences and play differently, but usually abandoning reads to jump onto a popular wagon is seen as scummy almost all of the time. "logical progression" or a clear thought process and actions is something that's almost always seen as very town-oriented; scum have a lot harder time explaining their reasoning for doing things or sometimes there's not a clear motivation or thought process involved because they're making up justifications as they go along.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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Sorry about this wall; it's a catchup one though.
So I read this and this is the first time you've made much sense to me this game, Postie.In post 226, Postie wrote:Aero, it's completely natural for a towny to be suspicious of someone's motives for making a push on them. You know you're town, and especially when you're new you tend to be arrogant and assume everyone else should know it too, so you end up being intensely suspicious of anyone who questions that fact becausewhy are they trying to lynch a towny dammit. This is what I'm seeing with DH, and the way he's going about it feels incredibly genuine because of the fact I can see several layers of thought and paranoia; I don't see why it matters if that's within a short span of time or not. I don't see him being able to fake this whole thing as scum.
I'll respond to the rest of this stuff in the morning.
I think my issue this game is that I've continued focusing on the few things that Dark Horse did in the first few pages, which I will stand by as looking really awful to me. From my perspective, its him pushing a new player to look busy, and overreacting to my critique of that. In addition, Shannon looked town to me right off the bat, and someone pushing her in that way made me assume he'd be scum.
What I've failed to do though is to analyze anything that came after, e.g. his defense of himself and his attack on me. I think some of his more recent posting is a lot better the more I look at it, in that the play style is changed from trying to look aggressive, more to actually looking at details / pushing with some sort of substance, e.g. actually trying to figure me out. I think I probably need to table my read on him now, because I'm still unsure. It also would be easier with more flip info, so tabled for now.
Besides the questions at the bottom, this opening post is a whole lot of nothing.In post 206, Wyvernite wrote:okay so wow reading all of this is painful, everything is just one or two lines. I really don't like that 90% of dissucssion between pages 6-9 are just postie/aero talking back and forth. I'm not entirely sure what to think about this interaction though. There's been quite a dominant force of aero/postie deciding where the game goes and I don't really like that at all. I haven't really seen any posts silencing anyone though, so I guess that's more on everyone else not posting.
I would like to hear more from algebra, as I feel his alignment will come rather naturally to everyone if he just posts more content. I'll do a read over again tomorrow when I get the chance, it's hard to process everything when it's as quick as lackluster as I feel it currently is. I'd like to see more content from EVERYONE, no one is really explaining reads to the full effect that I'd like. Or really sharing hard reads at all. I get that it's early into the game, but you have to start somewhere.
@postie With all the attention you've been giving to aero, do you still find TB to be your topscum?
@TB and algebra I'd really like to see both of your top town/scum reads in the game currently.
So, you have many town reads. Do you think anyone is scum?In post 228, shannon wrote:
I will go further and say that not only does it seem genuine on DH's part, it'd be bad strategy if he's scum.In post 226, Postie wrote:Aero, it's completely natural for a towny to be suspicious of someone's motives for making a push on them. You know you're town, and especially when you're new you tend to be arrogant and assume everyone else should know it too, so you end up being intensely suspicious of anyone who questions that fact becausewhy are they trying to lynch a towny dammit. This is what I'm seeing with DH, and the way he's going about it feels incredibly genuine because of the fact I can see several layers of thought and paranoia; I don't see why it matters if that's within a short span of time or not. I don't see him being able to fake this whole thing as scum.
I'll respond to the rest of this stuff in the morning.
A cursory glance of my first five or ten posts in any game will show exactly the same behaviour he thinks he picked up here, i.e. I'm a bit weird and I don't know how to person in mafia yet. (Probably posts like this are not personing but let's just go with it). Not to mention, a quick look at my wiki would show that I've never been lynched. Unless the scum team are silly, or not doing any research, they'd have to know that I'm not a good target for a D1 quick wagon.
So - I think DH is town, and he is/was genuine in his assessment of me. The worrying thing to me was always that he is appearing to line up lynches based on my flip, and I'm a tad worried that he seems to be following the wagons. But! And this is the thing for me, if he is super new then he might not know that's a bad thing to do. I have certainly played town games where I have tried to look townier by following the leader, only to be scum read for perceived lack of reasoning behind my moves.
I'm pretty happy at this point with town reads on DH, Postie, and Aero, who I think is genuine in his town read on me. There'd be nothing to stop him backing off or just 'null' reading me, so the fact that he's even bothered to argue for me says 'town' at this point.
Curious about your feelings on Wyv's opening, also.
That's fair.So you do not have a case. You understand that you're not helping anybody to understand why we should vote with you if you're not going to provide reasoning, right?
Right now trying to convince people that shannon's scum is not a priority for me
I meant beforehand. Like when Shannon was making her posts, do you see anything that was any better?
Thinkbig's questions, Algebra's reads, this whole argument we're having. All of these do significantly more to progress the day than just complaining about inactivity.Please show me some posts by Flames, Thinkbig, Algebra, you, or myself that are less lazy/genuine, because I don't see any.
Basically what I'm saying is that we were all being shitty and inactive at the beginning of the game and scum shannon could have just rode that.
Yeah. That's how I felt about it, too.
She's been less scummy. I feel like a noobscum could have easily followed you in accusing me. The fact that she's willing to look at it from her own angle is very town.What would you say Shannon's alignment is now?
Ok, now imagine the way you feel about me allegedly discrediting you, and reverse the situation. That's how I feel about that early posting.
Postie has made much more of an effort to get her hands dirty than you had. She has also explained why she thinks I'm town, which is something you hadn't done. Do know how wack it is to see someone try to discredit approach without giving any in depth reasons for why he thinks my scumread's town?In post 219, Aeronaut wrote: Postie just did a similar thing for about two pages on me, but I don't see you calling her out for it?
I don't recall saying them in a row. You just got angry when I pushed you, which generally is a scum tell so early on.
You're acting like I made those four posts in a row. They were all based on different lackluster responses that you had made over time. The 20 minutes remark is completely false. Anyone who has looked at that part of the thread knows this. Why are you making stuff up?In post 223, Aeronaut wrote: What? In the span of four posts he discredits me, calls me scum, and basically says I'm shit player. You just described to me exactly my own reasoning for why he's scum. It's not a "gradient" if it's in the span of like 20 minutes
Wow gr8In post 234, ThinkBig wrote:V/LA UNTIL MONDAY AROUND 3:30 PM EST
I will still be reading and will try to post during this time, but I will have limited access until then.
Postie seems very sure that Algebra is town and I want to hear that reasoning first.
What game are you referring to?In post 236, Postie wrote:For the record, I think Wyvernite's entrance sounded forced as hell too, but I find that a lot of newbies have a tendency to sound a bit forced so I'm hesitant to call him scum for it. I'm scumreading the slot by PoE though.
@shannon- Why are you townreading Aero?
Idk. My gut says Aero's town but the last time I gut townread Aero he was scum so... someone help.
Wyr's post to me reads as adding a bunch of non-AI stuff into a catchup (such as "silencing") to try to look like he's analyzing more than he is. I haven't read the rest of his posts yet, though
I would love to see this.I'll get round to doing a case for town!algebra and responding to other stuff once my headache has died down a bit.
In post 240, Dark Horse wrote:Aeronaut what ever happened to your algebra push?2023 W/L | 1-0-
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So... I'm town because I go into detail? I didn't realize all scum had a post restriction in which they had to be as vague as possible.In post 243, Wyvernite wrote:allright so I had to stay late at work so I apologize for not getting to analyze as much of the thread today as I wanted to, but I'll throw in a really quick and dirty rundown of reads thus far
I'll start with my town of
AERO - The amount of detail that he's gone into all of his posts seems very indicative of town, and I don't see him being mafia at all, especially with the posts he constantly references to support his reads/questions
And Postie has been here going into what I can only describe as an absurd amount of detail. Why are you town reading me for that but scum reading her for it? I mean, you're town reading me for the wrong reasons here, and it's gross.
I feel like you're literally taking the bare minimum of my original points to Postie and repeating them + focusing on Postie/Me/DH when none of those are really viable lynches right now.In post 247, Wyvernite wrote:You haven't called me out at all, you've asked questions, there's a very large difference between the two, same goes for postie, I see scum I call them as such, there's no OMGUS here. I said that I found it easy to step into her shoes, not that I agreed with her reads. I see how she came to them though; don't go putting words in my mouth tyvm. Postie's defense on you boils down to "it feels town" or "it was ballsy, brazen, and aggressive" because that's the only way she can explain how you've been playing this game, and it shows. I'll provide my own reasons why you're a scummy scum scum in my next few posts, but again as I said I didn't have time to do full reads on everyone, I'm going to showcase aero's accusations which I believe to be a solid basis on why you're scum. so take your bs 0/2 post crap out of here.2023 W/L | 1-0-
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