Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:29 am

In post 3376, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 3355, Ranmaru wrote:It wasn't as easy as the CES wagon just two or three pages ago. It's just me, Dunn, and CES (who can see how bad Shea's vote was). So, the wagon on Shea right now makes sense. Plus remember when I voted Shea Day 2, and you didn't actually join me. That was your time to wagon him as well.

The CES wagon was nowhere near as easy as the Shea wagon, are you serious? CES has been talked about all fucking D3. Shea has been the topic of discussion for like less than 24 hours. If you don't see a difference here, your understanding of wagonomics is severely lacking.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 7:30 am

In post 3379, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3378, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 3374, Gamma Emerald wrote:Hmm
guess not
UNVOTE:
What's your read on CES and Shea?
Up in the air
That's why I've been questioning so much, I'm trying to figure things out to make an educated decision on CES' alignment
Also I'm still working on finding a game where I dropped a townread
Maybe I need to go deeper, to a much older game

Vote CES, you'll be happy you did. Lama said not to leave CES till LyLo, what more do you need than that?

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:04 am

In post 3398, Davsto wrote:can we not have last minute shitty compromise lynches mkay (that's especially @Ran who was even scumreading CES earlier but has the nerve to ask me to compromise on LQ or Shea like,, the fuck? Why would I ever compromise on a lynch when the person I scumread most is at L-1??? Fuckin nuts)

This real difficulty in getting a hammer on CES despite less than 24 hours left is as frustrating as it is fishy

Town post.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:18 am

In post 3328, Thestatusquo wrote:My vote on CES, for those who keep saying its "SUS" is because we're at deadline

Yeah, this does make sense.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:21 am

Shea prolly Town here. Hard to admit I was wrong all along, but I am starting to see it now.

I tend to get very paranoid about good players I am playing with, which I am sure shea can understand based on the dragon game, or whatever where he was Scum and I didn't believe Boon was Town.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:23 am

In post 3409, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 3407, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3328, Thestatusquo wrote:My vote on CES, for those who keep saying its "SUS" is because we're at deadline
Yeah, this does make sense.
There was other reasoning there too, obviously.

I'm not just going to hop on, say, a ActionDan wagon just because we're at deadline. But it does make my threshold lower.

Reasons rarely come up with Town/Scum reads.. What get's Town/Scum reads is behavior. Here I am seeing that was you did was actually pretty Pro-Town all things considered. Town is going to care about the deadline more than Scum like 10/10 times.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:28 am

In post 3406, Thestatusquo wrote:I could have swore I remembered him voting CES but it looks like I was just remembering his vote on me.

Derp Clear IMO.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:39 am

In post 3415, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3414, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3406, Thestatusquo wrote:I could have swore I remembered him voting CES but it looks like I was just remembering his vote on me.
Derp Clear IMO.
why

Because Scum are usually pretty damn sure when someone votes them who it is.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:46 am

In post 3417, Gamma Emerald wrote:makes sense, but idk I've known some airheaded scum

If I was going to say Shea was still Scum, I would say he was faking it for that juicy Town cred when he is wagoned, not that he was just being an airhead.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 11:56 am

In post 3423, Gamma Emerald wrote:Not much but with what's happening I can see reason to not hammer, info is being generated

I'd rather not risk a no lynch, honestly.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:05 pm

In post 3428, ActionDan wrote:I really wish this day had been more a choice between Dunnstral / Marquis. Going through their recent iso's is depressing.

IMO, you would need a lot more presents to push Dunn to the level that Dunn would be a major wagon. I get you probably don't have a lot of time to play, but as the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the oil.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:05 pm

Reads:

Town

Davsto
North
Gamma
Dan
Shea
Lycan

Scum

Marquis
Ran
Dunn

Hopefully that is black and white enough for people.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:13 pm

In post 3462, Ranmaru wrote:Quick is already giving reads with CES out of the picture. He knows how CES will flip.

What are you even talking about?

How the hell can you conclude that I know how CES is going to flip based on me leaving out of my reads list? This is why you are Scum, for dumb ass shit like this.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:19 pm

In post 3473, Ranmaru wrote:It would be understandable if he said 'if CES flips town, here are my reads for tomorrow'. Then that would be fine.

IDK how he is fucking flipping so I gave my reads for regardless of how CES flips...

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:20 pm

Like, this is definitely NOT rocket science. I'm not pulling an Elon Musk here.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:38 pm

In post 3480, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 3474, Thestatusquo wrote:ok so even if you believe that which, heaven help you I guess...how the fuck does not including him on the list at all imply he has any knowledge of ces' alignment?
It means he's voting him but lists three scum with him not being there. Like I'm talking about reads for tomorrow, but they include the person I'm voting today, Shea. It at least shows he's not confident on his read on CES while being on him. Note that he town readed him, then voted him, then says he doesn't know how he is flipping. If you can quote any certain towns person doing the same as him, I'd reconsider.

Which would make me fucking Town, you moron... How can I possibly be "not confident" in read if I am Scum in White Flag?

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:43 pm

In post 3497, northsidegal wrote:
In post 3482, Thestatusquo wrote:I also think the balance of my play has been pretty town as well, I think thats what should clear me, but obviously you disagree there.
ha, do you understand the desire sometimes to just call yourself obvtown now?

Honestly, I do sometimes.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 4:45 pm

In post 3483, Ranmaru wrote:CES and you both have tip toed around each other. He's only voting you because this is his last chance for survival.

Why the hell would one Scum prefer their life over someone who can stay alive way longer?

You are not making any fucking sense right now.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:05 pm

In post 3502, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 3494, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3480, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 3474, Thestatusquo wrote:ok so even if you believe that which, heaven help you I guess...how the fuck does not including him on the list at all imply he has any knowledge of ces' alignment?
It means he's voting him but lists three scum with him not being there. Like I'm talking about reads for tomorrow, but they include the person I'm voting today, Shea. It at least shows he's not confident on his read on CES while being on him. Note that he town readed him, then voted him, then says he doesn't know how he is flipping. If you can quote any certain towns person doing the same as him, I'd reconsider.
Which would make me fucking Town, you moron... How can I possibly be "not confident" in read if I am Scum in White Flag?
Because moron, It means you don't have an actual read on CES. Otherwise it would be right there. Now you're voting him without knowing how he'll flip without any indication of saying that you are unsure about CES. Yet you were so hype to vote CES. When I say that it shows you are not confident, while you showed confidence in this post:

In post 3152, LicketyQuickety wrote:THAT is a CASE!!!

VOTE: CES

I applaud you.

In post 3171, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3168, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:This is why me and chamber always say cases are scummy. It's just a cavalcade of nonsense and it's very obvious a lot of it is just ripped from its context or hasn't been given much thought. It just creates the impression that there has to be something there because of its size.

I'll give a detailed reply as soon I can, but the fact that she claims that the reasons for my scum read on Marquis haven't changed when my very last post summarizes exactly why I'm currently scum reading Marquis (and it's not like I hadn't talked about those things before).
The fuck are you talking about? North's case is based on and made based on the evidence of what you have actually done. I would say if North made an error, it is not providing enough of their own thoughts on what these things mean.. not like she has to. It's pretty self explanatory why why you have done is Scummy to anyone who knows what Scummy behavior looks like.
It simply doesn't line up.

I think you are misinterpreting me "knowing" how CES flips differently than I am. I would say I am confident that CES flips Scum, but I don't KNOW, as in, for sure, how he will flip.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:06 pm

In post 3505, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 3503, northsidegal wrote:hi can we not call people morons please thank you
can we call them maroons?

or macaroons?

man macaroons are fucking dank.

Funniest post itt IMO.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:10 pm

I'm glad shea know's how to tell a joke.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:13 pm

shea, what would you give me if I came to my first Scummeet wearing something like this:

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 5:21 pm

What about this?

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:10 pm

In post 3524, Ranmaru wrote:A50 says that it would make more sense for Quick to list two scum reads instead of three while voting CES in his #3459.

Why?

Why would that make more sense? Other than me assuming that CES is going to flip Scum, I have no idea why I would necessarily have to have only two SRs. I think it makes

less

sense to have a "perfect" number of SRs.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 01, 2018 6:40 pm

In post 3527, Ranmaru wrote:He says that if you were unsure that you'd instead use a pool saying 'Scum are in X, Y, Z'.

I think I have pretty well covered in this thread that tells that are "I would Player X to do Y as Town/Scum" are mostly bull shit. Try asking him how often he has been right on those kind of reads compared to being wrong. He'll say he's been right more often because that is when you get the dopamine hit. I just know this kind of tell happens to be pretty much always complete BS representing someone talking out of their ass because people have tried to make those kinds of reads on me a lot and been wrong almost every single time. I think I recall like twice that someone was actually right about me with a tell like this. Let's assume that this kind of tell gets made of me like once a game. I have played about 90 games. So 2/90. Not good odds.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 6:46 am

VOTE: Dunn

Pretty sure this wins us the game.

@Lycan,

How do you explain me not voting for shea when I had the opportunity to and instead stayed on ECS if I am Scum?

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:12 am

One thing I noticed about Dunn is that they voted with CES a huge majority of the time.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:20 am

Lycan,

I know you want to get your jollies off by lynching me because you think we have this game in the bag so my lynch won't effect the outcome of the game, but I think it's pretty fucked up you try to say you have "insider knowledge" that says I am Scum, when I am not.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:48 am

In post 3570, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 3568, Dunnstral wrote:If you look deeper into the votes you'll see I had numerous opportunities to hammer people who weren't CES - I'm not scum

In post 3560, ActionDan wrote:The information on a scum CES flip was: Don't lynch Marquis before Dunnstral
I had the opportunity to hammer Marquis.
Considering you were barely here, this defense holds less water than you think it does.

Almost done putting Dunn's votes in order on D1... Looks opportunistic af as is. Can't wait to do D2 and D3!

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 9:49 am

In post 3569, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3565, LicketyQuickety wrote:VOTE: Dunn

Pretty sure this wins us the game.

@Lycan,

How do you explain me not voting for shea when I had the opportunity to and instead stayed on ECS if I am Scum?
What do you think about actiondan if it's not me?

Well.. it

is

you so I am not worried about that.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:11 am

Spoiler: Dunn's votes

We see Dunn not moving their initial RVS vote on Marquis until the wagon is collapsed. We then see a quick on and off vote for postie, probably thinking chill is going to end up getting TR, and thinking the postie wagon might take off, and then we see Dunn go back to Marquis when it looks like the marquis wagon could actually be a lynch here again. When that wagon just collapses down to the two Scum buddies, Dunn decides it would be a good idea to hop on another Town wagon that is building steam (Tchill).

What we can see here is that Dunn shows absolutely no conviction with their votes - they seem to just be voting what is popular D1.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:15 am

Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 10:19 am

In post 3573, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Spoiler: Dunn's votes
Marquis (1)
~ Dunnstral 29

Marquis (2)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble 56

Marquis (3)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Postie 66

Marquis (4)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Postie, Davsto 77

Marquis (5)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Postie, Davsto, Gamma Emerald 85

Marquis (4)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Davsto, Gamma Emerald 85(204)

Marquis (3)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Davsto 77(231)

Marquis (2)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble 56

Postie (2)
~ Srceenplay, Dunnstral 303

Marquis (4)
~ Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral 427

Marquis (3)
~ Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral 427(474)

Marquis (2)
~ Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral 427(626)

Srceenplay (4)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral 646(654)

Srceenplay (5)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald 702

Srceenplay (6)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire 713

Srceenplay (7)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire, Llamarble 722

Srceenplay (6)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire, Llamarble 722(736)

Srceenplay (5)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire 713(798)

Srceenplay (5)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble 886(961)

Srceenplay (6)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble, Ranmaru 1026

Srceenplay (7)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble, Ranmaru, Gamma Emerald 1213

Srceenplay (8)
~
Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble, Ranmaru, Gamma Emerald, Cogito Ergo Sum
1217

We see Dunn not moving their initial RVS vote on Marquis until the wagon is collapsed. We then see a quick on and off vote for postie, probably thinking chill is going to end up getting TR, and thinking the postie wagon might take off, and then we see Dunn go back to Marquis when it looks like the marquis wagon could actually be a lynch here again. When that wagon just collapses down to the two Scum buddies, Dunn decides it would be a good idea to hop on another Town wagon that is building steam (Tchill).

What we can see here is that Dunn shows absolutely no conviction with their votes - they seem to just be voting what is popular D1.

EBWOP, had to make a switch in the vote oder. This one should be correct.

We can also say Gamma is probably Town here considering his hop off hop on when there is no Scum incentive to do this.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:16 pm

Spoiler: Dunn's votes D2

We don't have a lot on Dunn here other than to say that when Eddie was placed at L-1, that Dunn hops off Eddie and onto Marquis. Basically this means that as soon as Dunn saw Eddie was getting lynched, they abandoned ship.

There are links to the votes here, where Dunn doesn't really give any reasoning at all for why they voted the way they did. I encourage you to check out the vote posts that Dunn has.

This is the entirety of what Dunn said in between the vote from Eddie onto Marquis:

In post 1882, Dunnstral wrote:What is the hesitation here?

That is it. That is all that is there.

It should also be noted that neither Marquis nor Eddie posted in between the time Dunn voted from Eddie to Marquis. What this shows is that Dunn's votes, once again, are not sincere. Why we know this is because Dunn's votes are not at all dependent on what the people who Dunn votes has said, but rather, that they are based on Dunn's own opportunism.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 3:25 pm

In post 3578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3574, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team
Agreed
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.

Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have no

incentive

to get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:42 pm

In post 3584, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3580, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3574, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team
Agreed
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.
Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have no
incentive
to get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.
...except I was just told my reasoning for voting was wrong?

Doesn't matter.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 4:43 pm

In post 3585, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3583, Shadoweh wrote:okay so like, ive only had one glass of wine and i f i lii k carefully at the keybolard is doesn't bemess up that much
nope ur fucked up

TBH? I would drink too if I had to replace into this game.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:19 pm

In post 3588, Shadoweh wrote:lcitkety undesrstands me3

i misundsterstoof wsleepy, he meanst li vky was begins wacky asa scums beign weird thing
i didn't knwos how ai umisdunderstoofd that buti htink it was my thought wfrom reading back and i just assumed sleepy afreed with me
brefcsaysadrer um the smartersdt

i passed out for about 309v minutes after writing that

Go home, you're drunk.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:20 pm

In post 3589, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3586, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3584, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3580, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3578, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3574, LicketyQuickety wrote:Also, I am pretty sure this rules out a Dunn/Marquis team
Agreed
Also re: the next post and the point that my hop on hop off with Dunn was town-indicative, I'm not sure why? It's just me being a dum-dum imo.
Yeah, but the thing is, if the votes are what they were, you have no
incentive
to get off in the first place, because you have far more incentive to stay on to keep the votes from flipping on to a Scummate, which can happen sometimes. I am not explaining this very well, but basically, it's completely unnecessary for you to move your vote at all in that spot because you have literally NOTHING to gain by doing so.
...except I was just told my reasoning for voting was wrong?
Doesn't matter.
How?

Well, because reasons don't matter when doing VCA. And Town can be wrong about a lot and still be Town.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:37 pm

In post 3592, Gamma Emerald wrote:Excuse me no? I try to factor in reasoning when analyzing votes.

Well, then you are not really doing VCA, but "Does the reasons for player X voting player Y makes sense?"

There is a concept in mathematics where if there is even one extra thing that could have an influence on the outcome of what you are trying to calculate that it becomes impossible to predict what the result will be. That's is basically what you are doing when you try and mix and match VCA with looking at reasons for why someone voted someone. The reasons in this case, obfuscate the method to say who is Scum by mathematical means.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 05, 2018 5:38 pm

In post 3593, Lycanfire wrote:okay i wasn't going to hurt anybody's feelings but this is reaching COPPA level stupidity

drinking alcohol does not make you an idiot. it makes you disoriented. it harms your impulse control. you're still 100% capable of reason and shame unless you have an actual medical condition such as alcoholism that leaves you susceptible to black outs.

and if you are blacking out, you aren't capable of hitting submit. blacking out means you might punch someone at the slightest provocation and never remember it, or say something you otherwise wouldn't say. you know, with your mouth.

this is all the more reason why we're lynching LQ.

Sorry I missed how these things connect me being Scum???

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 06, 2018 11:28 am

BTW,

I want to take this time to apologize to everyone I was an asshole to, which is probably the majority of the players in this game.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 06, 2018 1:20 pm

We are lynching Dunn or myself today.

Reason: Dunn is Scum, and I am the only vote on CES that could have been a bus.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 06, 2018 2:49 pm

In post 3623, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 3608, Davsto wrote:But his behaviour as a whole yesterday felt very,, off compared to the first two days. I haven't rechecked in detail but my instincts feel like he was riding being heavily townread day one and two and got a little carried away maybe? Again that's mostly me just thinking off the top of my head I haven't looked properly
Can you go more into this? How was I riding being heavily town read?

You were... you were totally being like everyones top 3 for a while.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:39 pm

I want people to give their reason, not for why they want to vote so and so, but why NOT to lynch Dunn.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 07, 2018 5:42 pm

Also,

Happy Scum day Ranmaru!

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 08, 2018 4:18 pm

In post 3656, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3634, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3633, Dunnstral wrote:Again, I had many opportunities to hammer what CES was pushing though, you're not looking at the full picture
Point them out, I want to look at all of them.
Alright, what I was thinking of for last day phase was the point where I unvote marquis even after he ignores me and lazily votes for me, also denying actiondan the opportunity to ever hammer marquis (who could be town)

VOTE: actiondan

This looks most likely to me

So naturally, I have to ask you why you were TRing Marquis.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 08, 2018 5:23 pm

In post 3660, Dunnstral wrote:I saw his posting sequence that happens before my unvote and had second thoughts

Can you quote where you talked about this?

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 08, 2018 7:11 pm

In post 3662, Dunnstral wrote:I didn't, I'm responding to you asking why I unvoted in the first place

Well, then IDK why you unvoted in the first place if you never said why you unvoted. This is why reasons are good, which is something you fall short on to epic proportions this game. I can't just believe that you were doing it for good reasons. I mean, for all I know, you unvoted Marquis thinking that Marquis was going to get lynched anyways. I have nothing to compare it to so I am left with nothing regarding why you did xyz.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 09, 2018 6:11 am

NONE of that makes me Scum Though.. Like you just said I did certain things.. How does that mean I am Scum?

Why am I a better vote than Dunn?

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 09, 2018 9:40 am

North was killed to minimise collateral damage to the Scum team. Not only was North's read on CES correct, but they also have way better solving ability than Lycan.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:24 am

In post 3689, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3688, Shadoweh wrote:Which leaves you and Dunnstral
Jog my memory, why isn't actiondan scum from your point of view?

You only say this because you know you have no defense for your actions. It's called a strawman.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Mar 10, 2018 7:28 am

God, what is the hold up? Dunn is so obviously Scum it's painful.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:05 am

Just vote Dunn. That is all you have to do to win this game. This game plays itself at this point. Game is over. Everyone knows it. Just vote Dunn.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 7:59 am

I mean Dunn is voting Dan for fucks sake. Dan was the one guy that North said they could be wrong on IIRC. More opportunism from Dunn. It's obvious as shit in a urinal that Dunn is Scum here.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:01 am

Lycan, TBH, I have no fucking idea what your case on me even is...

It's like you are doing the Town version of lolcatting.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:05 am

What the hell is even your problem Lycan? It's like you are upset at Transcend and taking it out on me.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:15 am

In post 3716, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 3714, LicketyQuickety wrote:What the hell is even your problem Lycan? It's like you are upset at Transcend and taking it out on me.
justify your dunnstral vote or swing

I've said it. Dunns votes are suspicious as all fuck and since Dunn explains fuck all that leaves us back to the beginning of the game where Dunn naked votes Marquis as RVS. I mean Dunn's first post where they vote Marquis is like the perfect representation of Dunn's play as a whole this game.

If you think Dunn has played more Pro-Town than me you are out of your fucking mind.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 8:18 am

In post 3725, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 3723, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3716, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 3714, LicketyQuickety wrote:What the hell is even your problem Lycan? It's like you are upset at Transcend and taking it out on me.
justify your dunnstral vote or swing
I've said it. Dunns votes are suspicious as all fuck and since Dunn explains fuck all that leaves us back to the beginning of the game where Dunn naked votes Marquis as RVS. I mean Dunn's first post where they vote Marquis is like the perfect representation of Dunn's play as a whole this game.

If you think Dunn has played more Pro-Town than me you are out of your fucking mind.
dunnstral's votes are bad how? you had nearly the same votes. explain.

Go back to the beginning of this Phase and read me from there. I explain and lay out in explicit detail why Dunn is Scum because of their votes. Dunn should NEVER make it to end game based on the way they have played.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 10:35 am

Tell you what, Lycan. If Dan ends up voting someone else besides Dunn, I'll vote Dan.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:07 am

In post 3731, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3730, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 3729, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3728, LicketyQuickety wrote:Tell you what, Lycan. If Dan ends up voting someone else besides Dunn, I'll vote Dan.
Horrible. If Dan is town it strongarms him into voted Dunn. If Dan is scum with LQ Dan can just not vote anywhere else.
Is Dan scum?
Possibly?
Anyway this assumes Dunn to be town but I'm still thinking I should
VOTE: LickityQuickety

what fer?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:21 am

In post 3733, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because that doesn't feel like a town post. I recall someone did a similar thing earlier and it might've been postie but just cos postie flipped town doesn't mean I'm gonna expempt you if she was the person

Or, you know, I think it's a pretty easy thing to conclude that if I am SRing one person and who is a Null slot and has been SRing another Null slot all game, and then just out of the fucking blue to vote someone else.. Yeah, you haven't thought this through as much as I have.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:31 am

In post 3736, Ranmaru wrote:Quick, why do you give Dan the knowledge that you would vote him if he voted elsewhere? All that does is give him knowledge of what no to do if he wants to avoid being voted by you.

I am pretty damn confident that Dunn is Scum. Dan switching targets like that is basically a Scumclaim in my book.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:31 am

In post 3735, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3734, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3733, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because that doesn't feel like a town post. I recall someone did a similar thing earlier and it might've been postie but just cos postie flipped town doesn't mean I'm gonna expempt you if she was the person
Or, you know, I think it's a pretty easy thing to conclude that if I am SRing one person and who is a Null slot and has been SRing another Null slot all game, and then just out of the fucking blue to vote someone else.. Yeah, you haven't thought this through as much as I have.
Could you use some names for clarity instead of such vagaries?

Should not be difficult to figure out who I mean from context.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:33 am

In post 3739, Ranmaru wrote:How are you reading me today, Quick? What are your reads in general.

I don't think we need to lynch you to win so my read on you doesn't matter.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:36 am

He gives his stamp of approval for lynchind Dunn as of (let me check)...

Last Monday at 2:00 PM

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:53 am

In post 3743, Lycanfire wrote:That was directed to LQ. I snagged the wrong quote somehow.

LQ: is Dan scum?

He is if he doesn't vote Dunn.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:54 am

In post 3744, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3738, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3735, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3734, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3733, Gamma Emerald wrote:Because that doesn't feel like a town post. I recall someone did a similar thing earlier and it might've been postie but just cos postie flipped town doesn't mean I'm gonna expempt you if she was the person
Or, you know, I think it's a pretty easy thing to conclude that if I am SRing one person and who is a Null slot and has been SRing another Null slot all game, and then just out of the fucking blue to vote someone else.. Yeah, you haven't thought this through as much as I have.
Could you use some names for clarity instead of such vagaries?
Should not be difficult to figure out who I mean from context.
I tried, still not getting anywhere. You gonna fix the problem or are you content with making vague useless posts?

Who have we been talking about this whole time? What people were just brought up as a duo team? What reads could I possibly be talking about when I say 2 Null reads? Common, really?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:55 am

In post 3745, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3742, LicketyQuickety wrote:He gives his stamp of approval for lynchind Dunn as of (let me check)...

Last Monday at 2:00 PM
Interesting, any other things from Creature?

Not really.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 11:59 am

In post 3749, Shadoweh wrote:Yes, I am indeed in Marquis's slot, thanks for acknowledging that again. :V I take offense to the notion that I'm not posting enough when I have the last post for hours at a time.
Dunnstral, I didn't answer you because you asked me a dumb question that could have been answered reading slightly before what you quoted. (I don't think it's impossible for Dan to be scum)
In post 3714, LicketyQuickety wrote:What the hell is even your problem Lycan? It's like you are upset at Transcend and taking it out on me.
I don't think he's mentioned Transcend in his case? He clearly believes what he's saying.
Also stop cutting me

Fervor =/= authenticity.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 12:00 pm

I think Lycan is just pissed at the situation and can't do anything about it so it comes out in different ways.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:00 pm

In post 3761, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 3533, MathBlade wrote: As a consequence, Lycanfire, who through no issue of his own, will be converted into a tree stump for the night and next day phase and will be modkilled at the end of the next day phase. He was

Spoiler:
Vanilla Townie

I know what you are doing. Vote me or stfu.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 1:56 pm

I knew Dan was going to change his read on Dunn. But there is no reason to, here look:

In post 3573, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Spoiler: Dunn's votes
Marquis (1)
~ Dunnstral 29

Marquis (2)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble 56

Marquis (3)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Postie 66

Marquis (4)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Postie, Davsto 77

Marquis (5)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Postie, Davsto, Gamma Emerald 85

Marquis (4)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Davsto, Gamma Emerald 85(204)

Marquis (3)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble, Davsto 77(231)

Marquis (2)
~ Dunnstral, Llamarble 56

Postie (2)
~ Srceenplay, Dunnstral 303

Marquis (4)
~ Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral 427

Marquis (3)
~ Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral 427(474)

Marquis (2)
~ Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral 427(626)

Srceenplay (4)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral 646(654)

Srceenplay (5)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald 702

Srceenplay (6)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire 713

Srceenplay (7)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire, Llamarble 722

Srceenplay (5)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire 713(798)

Srceenplay (6)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Gamma Emerald, Lycanfire, Llamarble 722(736)

Srceenplay (5)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble 886(961)

Srceenplay (6)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble, Ranmaru 1026

Srceenplay (7)
~ Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble, Ranmaru, Gamma Emerald 1213

Srceenplay (8)
~
Thestatusquo, northsidegal, Dunnstral, Lycanfire, Llamarble, Ranmaru, Gamma Emerald, Cogito Ergo Sum
1217

We see Dunn not moving their initial RVS vote on Marquis until the wagon is collapsed. We then see a quick on and off vote for postie, probably thinking chill is going to end up getting TR, and thinking the postie wagon might take off, and then we see Dunn go back to Marquis when it looks like the marquis wagon could actually be a lynch here again. When that wagon just collapses down to the two Scum buddies, Dunn decides it would be a good idea to hop on another Town wagon that is building steam (Tchill).

What we can see here is that Dunn shows absolutely no conviction with their votes - they seem to just be voting what is popular D1.

In post 3579, LicketyQuickety wrote:
Spoiler: Dunn's votes D2
EddieFenix (5)
~ Postie, Thestatusquo, Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral

EddieFenix (6)
~ Postie, Thestatusquo, Davsto, Cogito Ergo Sum, Dunnstral, Lycanfire 1839

Marquis (3)
~ EddieFenix, LicketyQuickety, Dunnstral 1883 1802

Marquis (2)
~ EddieFenix, Dunnstral 1883(1936)

We don't have a lot on Dunn here other than to say that when Eddie was placed at L-1, that Dunn hops off Eddie and onto Marquis. Basically this means that as soon as Dunn saw Eddie was getting lynched, they abandoned ship.

There are links to the votes here, where Dunn doesn't really give any reasoning at all for why they voted the way they did. I encourage you to check out the vote posts that Dunn has.

This is the entirety of what Dunn said in between the vote from Eddie onto Marquis:

In post 1882, Dunnstral wrote:What is the hesitation here?
That is it. That is all that is there.

It should also be noted that neither Marquis nor Eddie posted in between the time Dunn voted from Eddie to Marquis. What this shows is that Dunn's votes, once again, are not sincere. Why we know this is because Dunn's votes are not at all dependent on what the people who Dunn votes has said, but rather, that they are based on Dunn's own opportunism.

We see in all but a single case where ECS hammers Screen that Dunn votes AFTER ECS. I can get really nitty gritty with this because I am sure it still holds.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:15 pm

In post 3767, Ranmaru wrote:Quick, how are you reading the Marquis slot today?

My prerogative is Lynch Dunn, if Dan tries to switch who he is voting, then I am going to strong arm him not to do so, so then my vote goes on Dan.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 2:46 pm

In post 3769, ActionDan wrote:
In post 3766, LicketyQuickety wrote:I knew Dan was going to change his read on Dunn
Ya I mean the other half of this and the other impetus for me is that I do think more and more and more and more that marquis looks like a bus. I'm going the opposite way as basically everyone else there now. Same sort of reasons.

Nope, not buying it. You already had your chance to hammer Marquis and you passed up the offer.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:09 pm

In post 3771, ActionDan wrote:I remember that post of yours giving the hammer and I didn't take it because I still thought Dunn had a bether shot at flipping scum. It was very tempting though. After ces''s flip I along with with probablymost people thought that a sign of "oh I guess marquis is towm" but that is just jumping to conclusions. I don't think I was wrong on marquis and I also think CES''s own cases on marquis do hold water. I said earlier "I don't believe ces on me, but do believe him on marquis" and revisiting my posts and his on the matter I am reaffirming this. I know lycan completely dismissed my response to NSG but I hold by my statements there too. Lots of things CES has done have looked town, but it's definitely possible to pinpoint the things that aren't. In short lycan is giving CES too little credit. I was too but putting myself in his shoes changed my perspective.

Why are you Town? Justify your existence for us all.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 11, 2018 3:19 pm

Was not rhetorical.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 12, 2018 1:35 pm

In post 3775, ActionDan wrote:If my best answer to that question is "I'm town because I am" then there's no value to it. I have nothing to justify. I've pushed scum reads and defended town reads, and read the game and used logic without holding anything back to inform my decisions.

I always found your read on me lacking any kind of substance whatsoever. Why? You say you have defended your TRs but you read, at least on me, is completely unjustified. I don't think I saw a single legitimate reason you shared for TRing me.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 12, 2018 3:11 pm

In post 3784, ActionDan wrote:oh? Just isoing myself and searching for mentions of "LQ" undermines your assertion. I've been asked twice explicitly this game for a read on you + reasoning and I've given it.

Your statement feels like you're maligning me via extrapolation; regardless of what you think of my attitude and read on you this game, do you think I haven't in general provided sufficient reasoning for town reads when appropriate? And if so, how does that effect your own read on me?

So you deny it! I find this remarkable honestly. I would have thought if you had any kind of rationality at all you could readily see you read on me is incredibly lacking in terms of both depth and originality.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:15 am

What I don't get is why it's necessarily

Scummy

to be self conscious. I happen to be a very self conscious individual and it's a problem I have dealt with since I was very very young and if you say I am just making this up for this one game I am going to say you are just looking for excuses to lynch me at this point.

Look through my Town games... you could probably pick one at random and find at least one thing I did that shows I am a very self conscious person.

And if your argument isn't that I am Scum because I am self conscious (in other words I am looking at myself and saying I have played such and such a way) then I really have no idea what shadoweh's point even is.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:16 am

And Also:

Why are we NOT lyncheing Dunn?

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:20 am

In post 3808, LicketyQuickety wrote:And Also:

Why are we NOT lyncheing Dunn?

This is not a rhetorical question. I see pretty much zero reason why Dunn deserves to make it to LyLo in this game.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 13, 2018 10:48 am

In post 3810, Thestatusquo wrote:Mainly because I think ranmaru is more likely to be scum.

That does not answer the question why Dunn deserves to get to LyLo.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:19 am

In post 3813, Thestatusquo wrote:Thats because I think that question is not important.

It most definitely is an important question if you want to be process oriented over results oriented.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 13, 2018 11:24 am

In post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thanks Shea. Quick and Dunn it's your turn: describe why you townread who you townread.

I don't care who is Town. Dunn needs to get lynched.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 13, 2018 12:56 pm

In post 3822, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 3820, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3819, Gamma Emerald wrote:Thanks Shea. Quick and Dunn it's your turn: describe why you townread who you townread.
I don't care who is Town. Dunn needs to get lynched.
This is fucking terrible play and you know it.

Wrong. It's a play based on principle.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 14, 2018 6:03 am

In post 3857, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 3855, Gamma Emerald wrote:Since I have been asked to explain my townreads myself here's where I'm at:
Shea: Doesn't feel like he's submitting his play under any care of being examined, basically he's not trying to please anyone with his play.
Ranmaru: honestly it comes down to why. I feel like he'd be smarter with his scumplay than to so evidently flip his reads at the drop of a hat.
Shadoweh: Besides being CES' pet ML he's also shown a serious desire to solve today.
Everyone else is pretty much a suspect.
Also I just thought of something to look at, one second
Don't look at whether something people are doing is smart, look at who it benefits. The argument "why would x player do y its too obvious" is very often wrong, because it causes people to doubt themselves exactly like you're doing here. Plus, some people are just bad. Ranmaru has played poorly this game regardless of he's scum or town. It's not like his play is good for town to do either, and if we look at the motivation for why a player would play in the way that he has, i.e. read my case and my response to his response, we can see that the most likely motivations are all scum ones and not town ones. Same way he picks hyper specific things to ask people questions about that are ultimately irrelevant and frequently have been completely answered multiple times already. Why would town do that? I can't think of a motivation for it. Why would scum do it? There are tons of motivations there.

Why do you say I am Town for Tunneling on you when I ask you things that have been answered, but Ranmaru is Scum for those same things?

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:23 am

The resistance to lynching Dunn is unreal. That is a weak reason to SR Dunn all in itself.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:27 am

In post 3866, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3864, LicketyQuickety wrote:The resistance to lynching Dunn is unreal. That is a weak reason to SR Dunn all in itself.
Maybe
if you explained why everyone else is town
you might convince me

Irrelevant. Correct play here is to lynch Dunn.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:51 am

In post 3872, Shadoweh wrote:
In post 3870, Thestatusquo wrote:Don't do that, he's town.

God dammit.
Fake news!

His read is that Dunn needs to die as evidenced by the fact that Dunn is playing very badly for town or something.

More like there is Scum motive based on Dunn's votes, but sure! practically the same thing! /s

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 14, 2018 8:58 am

In post 3875, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3873, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3872, Shadoweh wrote:
In post 3870, Thestatusquo wrote:Don't do that, he's town.

God dammit.
Fake news!

His read is that Dunn needs to die as evidenced by the fact that Dunn is playing very badly for town or something.
More like there is Scum motive based on Dunn's votes, but sure! practically the same thing! /s
Question: who do you think Dunn's partner is? I want logic for this, solid logic.

Dunn has very little to tie them to other players because they have done very little to actually influence things. Dunn is mostly a passenger in this game. There was a strong tie to CES to Dunn in that, Dunn had a pattern of voting the same way that CES did.

I don't want to talk about who is partnered with Dunn because that distracts from lynching Dunn.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 14, 2018 11:36 am

If a player has as many ideas as you can count on one hand, they don't make it to LyLo, period.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 14, 2018 1:27 pm

In post 3881, Shadoweh wrote:I think it's relevant because everyone seems to be perfectly fine with Dunnstral dying in a fire.

You don't say? Q: How many votes does Dunn have again? A: Not enough.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:59 am

So I guess my main/strongest TRs right now are:

Shea
Davsto
Gamma

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 15, 2018 5:59 am

Pretty sure everyone should know why I want Dunn lynched.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:24 am

In post 3893, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3891, LicketyQuickety wrote:So I guess my main/strongest TRs right now are:

Shea
Davsto
Gamma
Can you explain those for me?

I've given my reasons for TRing these people in the past. They are pretty much the same reasons.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 15, 2018 6:59 am

In post 3898, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3897, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3893, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3891, LicketyQuickety wrote:So I guess my main/strongest TRs right now are:

Shea
Davsto
Gamma
Can you explain those for me?
I've given my reasons for TRing these people in the past. They are pretty much the same reasons.
At least link the post so I don't have to ISO dive?

Not going to.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:04 pm

In post 3904, Lycanfire wrote:and despite his post count, lq totally fucked the dog d2. shaded postie, went mia, asked if he could hammer. don't even fucking try that rebuttal.

I think RC could explain it to you.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 15, 2018 12:32 pm

If I get lynched because of Lycan's dumb ass lynching me out of spite, lynch Dunn next game day.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 15, 2018 1:39 pm

In post 3917, Ranmaru wrote:I am curious why Dunn is voting for Quick.

In post 247, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 232, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 204, Postie wrote:
In post 199, LicketyQuickety wrote:Dunn has a naked vote, nothing to analyze there.
Llamarble is essentially a naked vote, nothing to analyze there.
Postie looks more or less like a naked vote as well.
Wgeurts is voting marquise because there is nothing better to vote atm. This looks kinda opportunistic.
GE vote is prolly the Scummiest of all of them, tbh. Weird that they say Llama is wrong about Postie but right about Marquise. How does GE know Llama is Town if they have such a disparity of reads?

Creature thinks Eddie, Dan and North are Town.
VOTE: LicketyQuickety

You're capable of more than this as town and my team mates don't think you've been towny either.
Honesly yeah I agree on this post being weird. I was able to make something of Dunnstral's vote, and I never said I knew Llamar was town.
That requires an inference into the context that Dunn was using. We can't assume that that inference is true because there was no explanation with Dunn's vote on Marquise, which drops the context down to zero.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 15, 2018 4:27 pm

I almost want to vote gamma for being surface level.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 8:23 am

In post 3921, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 3919, LicketyQuickety wrote:I almost want to vote gamma for being surface level.
How?

I am not sure.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 9:00 am

In post 3923, Gamma Emerald wrote:> Wants to vote me for being surface level
> can't tell how I'm being surface level
My brian hurts...

I'm just demotivated because I suck.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:04 pm

VOTE: Dan

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:10 pm

In post 3929, ActionDan wrote:If I do get mislynched vote Shadoweh the next day? will you make that deal?

I will be reevaluating what you said if you flip Town.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:13 pm

Dan, you let me down by voting lynchbait.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:23 pm

In post 3933, ActionDan wrote:Marquis was never lynchbait. That's kinda a key thing to recognize. His postings were definitely calculated to an extent. Calculated in terms of lurking and trying to sound town the exact argument CES made (Town and scum both do this, but the point is that it's a deliberate play that goes against what you might think of "lynchbait", i.e. someone drawing attention to themselves in very unselfserving ways). When Marquis wasn't doing this D2, he was basically the poster child of scum posting.

Do not underestimate him so.

And also don't underestimate CES's capability for extensive and calculated busing.

Why does Marquis replace out if that is the case?

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:44 pm

In post 3938, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 3932, LicketyQuickety wrote:Dan, you let me down by voting lynchbait.
How is that any different then voting and pushing for Dunn?

In post 3707, LicketyQuickety wrote:I mean Dunn is voting Dan for fucks sake. Dan was the one guy that North said they could be wrong on IIRC. More opportunism from Dunn. It's obvious as shit in a urinal that Dunn is Scum here.

In post 3728, LicketyQuickety wrote:Tell you what, Lycan. If Dan ends up voting someone else besides Dunn, I'll vote Dan.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:49 pm

In post 3940, Shadoweh wrote:I didn't see one from Marquis, I assumed he'd replaced out before the night phase started since I got asked and added pretty quick.
I don't know if I feel good about a wagon there or if it's more of an annoying inevitability since people would rather not look twice at Lickerty right now.
He hasn't stopped being minimal and admittedly him being the only one willing to look at LQ makes my gut twist.
If it came down to it I'd be okay with a vote there, but he doesn't even have votes right now so it feels weird to be talking about compromising already.

In post 3931, MathBlade wrote:Day 4 deadline is in (expired on 2018-03-19 04:22:42)

When were you planning on compromising?

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 2:57 pm

In post 3943, Lycanfire wrote:Got any last words Smellq?

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:20 pm

In post 3948, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 3935, Ranmaru wrote:I'm not feeling a Dan wagon. I'm willing to compromise to Dunn and Shadoweh, as they are the next lowest besides Shea and Davsto.
"i dont care who is lynched. I am willing to vote for 4 players in the game."

come on guys this is fucking obvious.

We are in danger of not getting a lynch off and the points made against Ran makes sense and this is another good point. I will hammer Ran if that is what it takes to get a lynch off.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 4:58 pm

In post 3953, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 3949, LicketyQuickety wrote:We are in danger of not getting a lynch off and the points made against Ran makes sense and this is another good point. I will hammer Ran if that is what it takes to get a lynch off.
What is your read on Shadoweh?

Null.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 5:14 pm

In post 3955, Ranmaru wrote:Why haven't you tried to fix that.

Better options.

Based on play, I have that slot as Scum. But the association against Marquis from CES and the fact that Marquis replaced out (which indicates that Marquis was telling the truth about not being able to catch up) make me drop the read to Null. I'm not on board with the tin foil theory that CES was bussing. Shadoweh isn't doing much, pretty much the same as Marquis. I don't see anything that is going to change from Shadoweh so I am left leaving them as Null.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:16 pm

In post 3965, Ranmaru wrote:Quick: Why aren't you pushing Dunn right now? There is support for it. Voting Dan distracts from you lynching Dunn.

In post 3939, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 3938, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 3932, LicketyQuickety wrote:Dan, you let me down by voting lynchbait.
How is that any different then voting and pushing for Dunn?

In post 3707, LicketyQuickety wrote:I mean Dunn is voting Dan for fucks sake. Dan was the one guy that North said they could be wrong on IIRC. More opportunism from Dunn. It's obvious as shit in a urinal that Dunn is Scum here.

In post 3728, LicketyQuickety wrote:Tell you what, Lycan. If Dan ends up voting someone else besides Dunn, I'll vote Dan.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:16 pm

And I'm not sidestepping shit. You asked me my read on Shadoweh and I answered in full. What's your problem anyways?

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:55 pm

In post 3969, Ranmaru wrote:Quick: On my town flip, does your read change on Shea?

No

LicketyQuickety · Fri Mar 16, 2018 7:03 pm

In post 3974, Lycanfire wrote:
In post 3972, Ranmaru wrote:Lycanfire, why do you think Lickitquick voted Dan then?
white flag gambit, he's given up 3+ times in this thread alone already, and out of this thread as well. it got him this far.

Your arrogance to misunderstand my simple behavior is quite astounding.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Mar 17, 2018 8:37 pm

In post 4002, Shadoweh wrote:I don't think LQ is a lazy vote; there's been a lot of resistance to a lynch there compared to Ran, Dan and Dun.

Uh... what? What makes you think there is no resistance to Ran Dan and Dunn?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:31 am

VOTE: Ranmaru

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 8:32 am

1) We need a lynch
2) Ran has been Scummy independently of everything else.
3) Shea's case is good and it deserves more attention.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:51 am

In post 4015, Gamma Emerald wrote:LQ why are you getting cold feet on Dunn now?

I'm not.

How many people are voting Dunn? That should answer your question. I pushed Dunn all day and Dunn has one vote. What I am supposed to do?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 9:53 am

In post 4016, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 4015, Gamma Emerald wrote:LQ why are you getting cold feet on Dunn now?
I'm not.

How many people are voting Dunn? That should answer your question. I pushed Dunn all day and Dunn has one vote. What I am supposed to do?

My mistake, NO ONE is voting Dunn. Just makes my case here stronger.

Town is afraid of making an incorrect lynch. That's what explains this whole day.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:26 am

I am mixing things up here.

Gamma what is your thought process between voting me and then voting Dunn?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 10:48 am

In post 4023, Shadoweh wrote:Hello I have returned from my prescribed weekend coma and should be available until deadline. I would be willing to vote Dunn if there were votes there, but 10 hours left and 0 votes, etc. One vote? I have no reason to move other then my team getting paranoid that him pushing Dunn non-stop doesn't make sense as scum.

In post 4006, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 4002, Shadoweh wrote:I don't think LQ is a lazy vote; there's been a lot of resistance to a lynch there compared to Ran, Dan and Dun.
Uh... what? What makes you think there is no resistance to Ran Dan and Dunn?
:/ You quote me and yet you manage to say something that isn't in the thing you quoted, saying there's more for you does not mean none for anyone else.

It's not like I took a book you wrote and used what you said out of context in like a single sentence or something. Are you for real here?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 11:53 am

In post 4029, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah I'm starting to believe it isn't LQ again

Based on what?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:30 pm

In post 4038, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4037, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4036, Gamma Emerald wrote:
In post 4031, Dunnstral wrote:I don't think anybody was ever accusing us of being a team though?
Pre-emptive?
For what?

If you think LQ is scum, vote him instead of trying to start something on me. You backed off of him too.
I think you're scum more.

You should just vote Ran. Like, we need a lynch, maybe?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 12:31 pm

Nice dodge Dunn. Dodge so you don't have to explain... Top Kek.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:04 pm

In post 4041, Dunnstral wrote:Explain what?

In post 4033, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 4029, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah I'm starting to believe it isn't LQ again
Based on what?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 1:42 pm

What is your read on Ranmaru, Dan? CBA to look it up atm.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 3:17 pm

In post 4047, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4033, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 4029, Dunnstral wrote:Yeah I'm starting to believe it isn't LQ again
Based on what?
Some of your reactions today

Like what. Use words, be specific, it's part of being a sentient being.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 4:59 pm

Creature thinks it's TSQ and Shadoweh.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 5:00 pm

VOTE: TSQ

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:29 pm

Can we just lynch Dunn?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:42 pm

VOTE: Dunn

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 6:49 pm

2.5 hours...

Are we going to lynch? Dan, be a hero here.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:00 pm

In post 4200, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 3536, Ranmaru wrote:Hello. The remaining scum is Marquis and Action Dan. I am fine with being put at L-2 or L-1 today while I make a case, vca, and final reads list in the case I'm mislynched today. I will not vote outside of those two today. I still think Town will win with or without me. I suggest today should be used with asking me questions about my mindset if I do die today, that way you can consider it in light of my town flip.
I think Quick, Gamma, and Shea all get town credit for their reaction to NSG's CES case.
I think CES's scum flip is the best town can ask for, since his flip gives more information rather then a Marquis or Action Dan scum flip.
Ranmaru is willing to disregard all posts and all arguments to make disingenuous pushes on me.

even his own.

Yeah, I don't like the way Ran has played D2+. It's not really "good" play even though he "Considers" a lot of different angles.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:01 pm

In post 4204, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4203, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 4200, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 3536, Ranmaru wrote:Hello. The remaining scum is Marquis and Action Dan. I am fine with being put at L-2 or L-1 today while I make a case, vca, and final reads list in the case I'm mislynched today. I will not vote outside of those two today. I still think Town will win with or without me. I suggest today should be used with asking me questions about my mindset if I do die today, that way you can consider it in light of my town flip.
I think Quick, Gamma, and Shea all get town credit for their reaction to NSG's CES case.
I think CES's scum flip is the best town can ask for, since his flip gives more information rather then a Marquis or Action Dan scum flip.
Ranmaru is willing to disregard all posts and all arguments to make disingenuous pushes on me.

even his own.
Yeah, I don't like the way Ran has played D2+. It's not really "good" play even though he "Considers" a lot of different angles.
then why the hell did you follow him onto me.

Creature.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:05 pm

Shea, would you lynch Dan to get a lynch off?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:06 pm

Like, every one of Dunn's votes is Scummy af.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:11 pm

In post 4217, Dunnstral wrote:Who would vote davsto?

NO ONE, I hope.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:13 pm

In post 4221, Thestatusquo wrote:how could you possibly look at davstos ces interactions and think that scum pairing makes sense?

Yeah, Davsto is super Town based on play as well.

These kinds of things happen because people don't have the stones to play a mountainous setup because they suck at Scum hunting and get confused because no one is "clear."

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:16 pm

In post 4225, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 4214, Thestatusquo wrote:I didn't reverse my reads at the last minute. I spent the remaining many days left in that day lobbying for that lynch while people actively resisted it, yourself included. I didn't vote ces with 1 day til deadline and hammer. I changed my mind and then I lobbied hard for the list, including trying to get you on it repeatedly.

I wasn't a passive participant. I actively tried to make that lynch happen after voting it. If its a bus why wouldn't I hop on and hope the wagon dissipated. It definitely could have if I hadn't been continuing to push on it, especially with you doing everything in your power to stop it
I should say, you reverse it at a time that his wagon is L-2. So you reverse it when there is plenty of support for his lynch.

At that point you have to keep it up for appearances sake. Hopping on, and doing nothing is suicidal. When you hop on, you kiss CES goodbye, for the greater good of your team. (Which means, town cred)

I think the encompassing thing for you this game is "go home, you're drunk"

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:17 pm

In post 4226, Ranmaru wrote:
In post 4221, Thestatusquo wrote:how could you possibly look at davstos ces interactions and think that scum pairing makes sense?
Let's talk about this. Do you think his reasoning to vote CES initially was solid?

Let's not waste our precious time talking about how Town Davesto is.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:24 pm

@Dan, you have yet to actually point out quotes to provide evidence for your tin foil case that Dunn is Town.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:25 pm

In post 4242, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4237, Davsto wrote:What the fuck was that TSQ vote bullshit? Ranmaru was clearly bluffing and panicking. The fact that the momentum was put onto it by Dunn and Ran is even more of a red flag.

I still want a Ran lynch but I think it seems impossible at this point.

VOTE: Dunnstral
Justify voting me - why am I scum?

Better question: why are you NOT Scum?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:26 pm

In post 4244, Dunnstral wrote:Lq, you are lying about creature. He doesn't have thos reads, he wouldn't have that read on me, and there's no accountability for him switching his reads on the spot to suit your vote like that

LOL, great case, top kek.

So it seems your case on me is based on things that cannot be proven. Why am I not surprised?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:29 pm

In post 4248, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4247, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 4244, Dunnstral wrote:Lq, you are lying about creature. He doesn't have thos reads, he wouldn't have that read on me, and there's no accountability for him switching his reads on the spot to suit your vote like that
LOL, great case, top kek.

So it seems your case on me is based on things that cannot be proven. Why am I not surprised?
Why did creature's read on me change?

Why was he scumreading me?

Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4242, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 4237, Davsto wrote:What the fuck was that TSQ vote bullshit? Ranmaru was clearly bluffing and panicking. The fact that the momentum was put onto it by Dunn and Ran is even more of a red flag.

I still want a Ran lynch but I think it seems impossible at this point.

VOTE: Dunnstral
Justify voting me - why am I scum?
name one pro town thing you have done this game.
I stopped responding to you at one point

We are talking about Creature here. He's not a guy who goes into detail on shit, he just states things and gives his opinion. Do you really not get this? He said he didn't like your wagon anymore. IDK why, I still love it.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:30 pm

In post 4254, Dunnstral wrote:I think TSQ is our best bet for scum

Convince me.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Mar 18, 2018 7:41 pm

In post 4262, Dunnstral wrote:Lynching me -> lynching ran is not our best odds of winning, and you're playing into scums hands if you do that

You wanna back that up with some math?

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:29 am

In post 1875, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
In post 1869, Davsto wrote:
In post 1801, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:By my reckoning he's got about 55% chance of being scum.
My I ask precisely where you got this from?
I have a specific process to come up with numbers like these - I make them up. Then, after making up a number for everyone, I add up all the numbers and see if they add up to #ofscum - they probably don't, so I start changing the numbers until they do, making sure to think long and hard about how embarrassed I would be if one of my town reads turned up scum whilst doing so in order to keep my confidence in check. The idea is that the triple constraints of math, embarrassment and not wanting to underestimate my confident scum reads will lead to some semblance of truth. It's a bit involved but I prefer it to making reads list in terms of taking stock because I could actually experience how the existence of null reads like Dunn and ActionDan make me somewhat less confident in Marquis and Eddie.

Spoiler: Answer to the inevitable question
Marquis: 60%
Eddie: 55%
GE: 30%
Postie: 25%
Dunn: 25%
ActionDan: 25%
northsidegal: 20%
LQ: 20%
Davsto: 15%
Lycan: 10%
TSQ: 10%
Ranmaru: 5%

In post 1891, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1875, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
In post 1869, Davsto wrote:
In post 1801, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:By my reckoning he's got about 55% chance of being scum.
My I ask precisely where you got this from?
I have a specific process to come up with numbers like these - I make them up. Then, after making up a number for everyone, I add up all the numbers and see if they add up to #ofscum - they probably don't, so I start changing the numbers until they do, making sure to think long and hard about how embarrassed I would be if one of my town reads turned up scum whilst doing so in order to keep my confidence in check. The idea is that the triple constraints of math, embarrassment and not wanting to underestimate my confident scum reads will lead to some semblance of truth. It's a bit involved but I prefer it to making reads list in terms of taking stock because I could actually experience how the existence of null reads like Dunn and ActionDan make me somewhat less confident in Marquis and Eddie.

Spoiler: Answer to the inevitable question
Marquis: 60%
Eddie: 55%
GE: 30%
Postie: 25%
Dunn: 25%
ActionDan: 25%
northsidegal: 20%
LQ: 20%
Davsto: 15%
Lycan: 10%
TSQ: 10%
Ranmaru: 5%
Explain your method.. otherwise it just looks like you are making up numbers.

In post 1892, Thestatusquo wrote:a) he did explain his method. b) he admitted that the method involves coming up with rough guestimates of numbers and then tweaking them with different sources of information.

Sometimes its like you're not even reading the posts you're responding to?

In post 1893, Thestatusquo wrote:Like you're literally quoting the post where he's explaining his method and telling you that part of it involves making up some numbers and you're responding "EXPLAIN YOUR METHOD! OTHERWISE IT LOOKS LIKE YOU'RE MAKING UP NUMBERS!"

In post 1894, LicketyQuickety wrote:
In post 1892, Thestatusquo wrote:a) he did explain his method. b) he admitted that the method involves coming up with rough guestimates of numbers and then tweaking them with different sources of information.

Sometimes its like you're not even reading the posts you're responding to?
A) He did not explain his method, he literally said he was making up numbers and then arbitralily manipulating them. Seriously? What constitutes a number being what it is? That was more my question. What are these numbers based on?

B) Tell me what the numbers are based on if he explained him method.

In post 1895, Thestatusquo wrote:a) he said it was a bit arbitrary. The fact that you don't like the method does not mean he didn't explain it.

b) I'll just quote you: "he literally said he was making up numbers and then ... manipulating them"

If you think his method is bad feel free to attack it, but suggesting that he hasn't explained it when literally in your point a you say what he does because he explained it is a bad look.

And I edited out the arbitrarily in your sentence, because while its clear that some amount of the process is guess work, it doesn't look to me like anything he said about it suggests its at random.

In post 1896, Thestatusquo wrote:key word is "bit." he says the initial numbers are basically guesses.

how is that any different from posting that someone is a "town lean"

how is it different in any way besides the fact that hes trying to quantify his reads differently than you are?

In post 1898, LicketyQuickety wrote:@Shea, what do the numbers actually stand for? That's what he hasn't answered and that is what I think is the most important thing in his whole numbers thing.

In post 1901, Cogito Ergo Sum wrote:
In post 1889, Thestatusquo wrote:How has this never come up in any of the games I've played with you before?

Has this came up before ever?

Can you point me to other times you've talked about this method.
First time I remember using it is actually TM2012 White Flag, which is also the only game I can remember having played with you. I definitely haven't discussed this explicitly before for the same reason it may have been better to avoid having done so here.

In post 1898, LicketyQuickety wrote:@Shea, what do the numbers actually stand for? That's what he hasn't answered and that is what I think is the most important thing in his whole numbers thing.
Chance of being scum, probably, given the context.

In post 1883, Dunnstral wrote:Actually

VOTE: Marquis
Why the vote change? I mean, I kind of like it but I don't see quite what prompted it.

Thoughts?

I think Creature is right and it's Shea and shadoweh.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 21, 2018 5:42 am

Also, shea's hammer on CES is pretty shady and I don't care what the arguments he gave for doing so are/were.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 21, 2018 10:56 am

In post 4340, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4338, Davsto wrote:
In post 4319, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4318, Davsto wrote:well ran is probably town
Can you tell me why you think that? I felt kind of similar at the end of the day based on tone, but its hard for me to disregard the rest of how I feel about the slot, but I have a hard time figuring out who his partner would be besides dunn. The only other option is gamma imo.

Also, are we NLing today or are we just going for it? I think my preference is to NL to get the numbers.
Besides many of my scum-Ran reasons sort of being based in my head and on paper around a Ran/Dunn team, the scum!Ran that defended CES like he did would have quickly let the Dun mislynch happen rather than arguing against it as he did, as it would help discredit me somewhat (a hard Ran-pusher) and reduce the heat on him (since I know I at least considered a lot of the Ran-scum evidence to come from him and Dun).

Obviously that could just be improved scumplay yesterday but it seems a bit of a stretch to say that.
Looks like there's no interest in a NL. :/

The only team pairs that make sense to me if we buy that Ran is town are

LQ - Gamma
LQ - Shadoweh.

I don't think shadoweh - gamma would make much sense because of the meta dive that cheet did.

I am not sure if I buy LQ as scum, I don't know that I believe he's capable of making those pushes as scum, but maybe I'm giving scum-LQ too much credit. Maybe posting really bad nonsense is NAI for him?

I need to reevaluate and reread. I should dive some LQ scum games too.

In post 3920, Thestatusquo wrote:I'm literally never voting for LQ unless someone convinces me that the arguments for why I think he's town are wrong.

No one who is voting him has even attempted to do that.

I will switch over to dunn if that will counter this absolutely bizarre wagon. OR you people could come join me on ranmaru because no one but gamma has put any effort into interacting with my case.

Dan where the fuck are you. Davsto where the fuck are you.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 21, 2018 12:21 pm

In post 4344, Thestatusquo wrote:those quotes are in no way incongruous with each other?

You're working up your progression on me so that you can vote me.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 21, 2018 3:26 pm

VOTE: No Lynch

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 21, 2018 4:16 pm

In post 4350, Ranmaru wrote:Quick: Can you go into why you believe it's Shea and Shadoweh now, instead of yesterday, where you thought he was town. I want you to go into that. Then tell me what you think of Shadoweh. (Since I know you had her as null before)

I said based on play I had Marquis/Shadoweh as Scum.

I just gave something to look at regarding shea that no one commented on.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 22, 2018 7:22 pm

In post 4366, Ranmaru wrote:Only if you have no idea who is scum. I am confident we can win today.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Mar 26, 2018 11:36 am

Consider my vote on shea.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Mar 27, 2018 1:15 pm

In post 4386, Davsto wrote:Still fair good with putting Ran town. Less certain about others. I've been townreading tsq all game so I'm hesitant to scumread him over others, especially since the whole anger at LQ thing seems a little too real to be faked. But then again I can also see scum getting equally frustrated in the same situation, scumread for the wrong reasons etc etc. LQ is a wildcard at this point.

Some things that have been sloshing around in my head for a few days that have previously caused me to just nullify an idea for a read are starting to come around in my head to potentially hint at Shadoweh scum, but I should investigate further before taking it too seriously because it's a little tentative.

I think Shadoweh is Scum just as much as I think shea is Scum. Both players from that slot have been supremely underwhelming and it makes justifying a TR on them pretty much non-existent.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 28, 2018 2:10 pm

In post 4390, Ranmaru wrote:Davsto, same from you. Can I get your top three suspects you would vote out and why?

Top three? What the hell is the point to this question? Why not just ask who they are TRing the most?

LicketyQuickety · Wed Mar 28, 2018 3:52 pm

TSQ, tell me what happened to your SR on Ranmaru and your TR on me because I really don't see a reason for the switch.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Mar 29, 2018 4:22 pm

In post 4399, Davsto wrote:
In post 4388, LicketyQuickety wrote:I think Shadoweh is Scum just as much as I think shea is Scum. Both players from that slot have been supremely underwhelming and it makes justifying a TR on them pretty much non-existent.
What exactly makes tsq's play "underwhelming"?

I didn't say TSQ's play was underwhelming, I was talking about Marquis/Shadoweh.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Mar 31, 2018 8:43 am

In post 4402, Davsto wrote:Oh yeh I see that now you point it out. You saying "both players" confused me a little oops

Understandable and I am glad you questioned me about it because it was worded kind of weird.

I'm ready to end this game. I don't see any use in dragging it out when no one is posting.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:24 pm

I guess we have us a 1v1.

I was really hoping I could vote for Shea, but hey, your slot deserves getting lynched, so I guess I don't mind too much.

VOTE: Shadoweh

LicketyQuickety · Sat Mar 31, 2018 4:47 pm

In post 4408, Shadoweh wrote:Wow. What A Great Typical Licky Response.

Oh, yes, you've done so much to progress the game.

LicketyQuickety · Sat Mar 31, 2018 5:39 pm

In post 4410, Shadoweh wrote:haha yeah

I'm pretty sure I just have.

OK.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:34 am

In post 4414, Ranmaru wrote:
Vote: Shadoweh

You're a wonderful human being.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:11 am

In post 4418, Davsto wrote:Of course the fucking 1v1 is between the two players I'm least certain about either way

Of fucking course

If you choose shadoweh, we win. If you chose me, we lose. Pretty much that simple because shea is never voting shadoweh here.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 01, 2018 8:49 am

Creature says shadoweh not touching shea is pretty bad for both of them and that this should mean the game is pretty much on lock.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 01, 2018 9:02 am

Davsto, Creature wants me to ask you what you think of shea.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:11 am

In post 4424, Shadoweh wrote: Man if I was right about Ran and got distracted I'm going to be disappointed. TSQ hasn't posted, you still have time to unvote before it's too late.

LOL, you first.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:05 pm

Every hour I see TSQ dodging the game makes me more and more sure the Scum team is Shadoweh and TSQ. I will say if TSQ is Scum here, he played a good game.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 01, 2018 7:57 pm

In post 4428, Ranmaru wrote:I don't see any reason to unvote, Shadoweh. I would consider moving to Shea if you want. That's the only place I'd move my vote to.

I think they are both Scum equally and I think TSQ would hate me forever if we switch to him and he turns out to be Town by some miracle so I'd rather just stick with Shadoweh.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 01, 2018 11:09 pm

In post 4430, Shadoweh wrote:you should be unvoting me Ran because I'm town.

My mistake. But this looks so fake I almost want to buy it as Town.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Apr 02, 2018 3:26 am

In post 4432, Ranmaru wrote:
unvote

Maybe the team is Shadoweh/Ran... Hmmmm

LicketyQuickety · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:52 am

That would have been sexy if shea hammered Shadoweh.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Apr 02, 2018 9:52 am

But yeah, shea is paranoid, so it's prolly Ran/shadoweh.

LicketyQuickety · Mon Apr 02, 2018 10:27 am

In post 4440, Shadoweh wrote:
In post 4427, LicketyQuickety wrote:Every hour I see TSQ dodging the game makes me more and more sure the Scum team is Shadoweh and TSQ. I will say if TSQ is Scum here, he played a good game.
I thought he was lurking scum? Isn't he never here on the weekends regardless? I'm pretty sure he mentioned that a few times before this.

Yeah me and Ran had it all planned out for sure. What the heck would be the point of distancing in a game like this?

This is late game and is where I get razor sharp so Imma just brush this off my shoulders.

Apparently since it's late game I am not allowed to change my reads

LicketyQuickety · Tue Apr 03, 2018 2:48 pm

In post 4449, Thestatusquo wrote:
In post 4447, Ranmaru wrote:Why do I
have
to be scum from your perspective, over Shadodeweh? Have you considered any town motivation from my unvote?

To me, no one is outright clear. Davsto not voting Shadoweh leads me to believe he may be clear or scum with Shadoweh. I'm wary of Quick not wanting to change to Shea. Yet, while being in the shower, I still find Shadoweh to have the best chance of being scum. I don't know why you don't see that. I'm ready to vote now. I don't want to convince myself out of this, as it feels right.
What? This seems like aggressively misunderstanding my argument.

I believe the following things are true:
1) Davsto is town
2) Exactly one of LQ and Shadoweh is scum, but not both.

Given those two facts, there is only one player who can be the second scum in that scenario, which is you.

I made zero arguments about who I think is more likely to be scum between LQ and shadoweh, just that it doesn't matter to me, because from the two things I believe to be true about the game, you have to be scum. There's literally no other possibility from my pov.

VOTE: ranmaru

and this hemming and hawing vote unvote I wont unvote two posts later now I will unvote now I'm ready to vote stuff is making me even more happy with this choice.

There would have been a hammer on either shadoweh or I at this point in the game. Voting off of us is just stupid and it makes me think you are Scum who doesn't want to vote me or Shadoweh and make a stance there. You already said shadoweh is Scum, so why you vote Ran here over Shadoweh makes no fucking sense whatsoever.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:06 pm

In post 4457, Thestatusquo wrote:I how would there have been a hammer on you if you ranmaru was scum?

Then you should vote for me, not Ranmaru. The fact that you are avoiding making a stance on either myself or Shadoweh is Sus af.

LicketyQuickety · Tue Apr 03, 2018 3:08 pm

In post 4451, Thestatusquo wrote:to go back to my earlier post about possible combinations:

Davsto - shadoweh
Davsto - LQ
Davsto - Ran
LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

these are the possible pairings from my pov. eliminating davsto gives me

LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

eliminating the possibility that lq and shadoweh are scum together gives me:
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

ergo if I believe davsto is town, you are scum.

This is also true from Davsto's perspective too if he believes me to be town, which he might not.

It also holds true from LQs perspective if he believes me and davsto are town.

Your change of read on me is not justified based on what you said about your Town read of me for basically all of the game.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Apr 04, 2018 6:58 am

In post 4470, Thestatusquo wrote:that has to be lock scum...

Do go on.

LicketyQuickety · Wed Apr 04, 2018 12:49 pm

In post 4451, Thestatusquo wrote:to go back to my earlier post about possible combinations:

Davsto - shadoweh
Davsto - LQ
Davsto - Ran
LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

these are the possible pairings from my pov. eliminating davsto gives me

LQ - Shadoweh
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

eliminating the possibility that lq and shadoweh are scum together gives me:
Ran - Shadoweh
LicketyQuickety - Ran

ergo if I believe davsto is town, you are scum.

This is also true from Davsto's perspective too if he believes me to be town, which he might not.

It also holds true from LQs perspective if he believes me and davsto are town.

Notice how TSQ only writes out my whole username when pairing me with Ranmaru. This is either subliminal messaging or Freudian Slip.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Apr 05, 2018 5:17 pm

In post 4475, MathBlade wrote:
Votecount 6.4

LicketyQuickety(1): Shadoweh
Shadoweh(1): LicketyQuickety

Not Voting (3): Davsto, Thestatusquo, Ranmaru

With 5 alive it takes 3 to lynch.

Day 6 deadline is in (expired on 2018-04-09 02:16:00)

Still by hand as nothing changed.

Shea is voting Ranmaru, Ranmaru is voting Shadoweh.

LicketyQuickety · Thu Apr 05, 2018 10:30 pm

In post 4483, Davsto wrote:
In post 4469, Ranmaru wrote:Davsto, what do you think of Shea voting outside of LQ v Shadow?
It makes sense and, regardless of his alignment, it's the only logical vote for him right now while he has me as lock town. NAI, as far as I am concerned.
In post 4470, Thestatusquo wrote:By this logic, by the way, davsto should be voting me if he thinks that ranmaru is for sure town.
I used the term "fairly stable" because I still have doubts, one of which is expressed in that post. It's definitely not for sure. We're in lylo, and a town-on-town vote is able to be quickhammered by scum and so can lead to a game loss, so I'm not willing to put it down yet.

I'm told to tell you that Creature is getting impatient.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:19 am

In post 4490, Ranmaru wrote:For Davsto: If he's town, and town reads me, that means there is two scum within [Shea, Quick, Shadow] for him. If two players are voting each other within those three, it should be easy to determine this for him. It's either [Shea, Shadow] or [Shea, Quick]. [Quick, Shadow] is ruled out since they are voting each other. Since Quick and I are voting Shadow, and Shea isn't, it would lean towards [Shea, Shadow] for him. If it was [Shea, Quick], Shea would have hammered Shadow by now.

Right now, there are two votes on Shadoweh, and two votes split on Quick and Ranmaru, leaving Davsto to choose. The split is to ensure a scum victory, in the case you vote myself or Quick, [Shea, Shadow] can finish their Alpha Strike combo. From Davsto's perspective (if town), it would be either [Shadow, Shea] or [Quick, Ranmaru]. He will have to think about which makes more sense as a team. Then, he should think which makes more sense as scum: Ranmaru, or Marquis. That's all he needs to consider, as we only need one more scum lynch, and not two.

Game is solved.

Good post. This kinda puts my fears to rest about you being Scum.

As an Aside, I think it would have been a lot easier to read you think game if I had some meta on you.

LicketyQuickety · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:35 am

In post 4492, Shadoweh wrote:Alpha strike combo lmfao it's so fucking depressing that I'm probably going to lose this game to you two chuckleheads because of someone else's derping. How can you be so fricking fake "this puts my fears to rest!"

Should I actually answer this?

LicketyQuickety · Fri Apr 06, 2018 8:41 am

In post 4494, Shadoweh wrote:I'm not asking you anything scumbag

What even is your case on me that I am Scum?

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 08, 2018 8:14 am

11 hours.

This is going to suck if I end up being the lynch... I don't think I have ever been hammered in LyLo as Town. Once in MyLo, and that is it.

LicketyQuickety · Sun Apr 08, 2018 9:43 am

@Davsto,

Creature wants to know if you have any concerns about me and Ranmaru.