Mini 2110: I hate Mafia (Day 8)

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'm fine with lynching any of chkflip and/or Pyrrha

So you're town-reading both of us?

But instead of your highly suspicious shade on me, why not just answer the question I asked you, re: Map auto sheeping you. Why do you have 0 reaction to that after claiming either he or Creature were mime on Farkran wagon?

@chk

/yawn

I'm going to wait for outside input first.

Thought that was kind of obvious. My bad.

If you said anything about that, I obviously missed it.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I definitely agree that it obviously couldn’t have been an alltown wagon since I know I’m town but obviously one Farkran voter has to be town, since Farkran flipped mime. So how many mimes on Farkran wagon? One or two?

If we lynch Wake, we are guaranteed a town flip but then we are deprived of a vig shot, which is why we should have listened to Enter. :/

Wasn’t that your brilliant idea Chk, that we lynch Farkran instead? If a mime had to die, wouldn’t a vig shot have been a lot better, because then we could have safely lynched Wake without him losing his shot?

If we no lynch, then scum only needs a second one to win, so I think the most optimal solution is to get Wake to vig the most obvious townie and then we lynch him.

Wait what are you suggesting here? We shoot off Wake’s vig today and lynch him after that?

You don’t think that’s a good idea?

Not at this point no, that at best puts us at 5p LyWin

Can you elaborate on this and not to sound dumb but what does “Lywin” mean exactly? I seriously need a glossary of all these terms.

Currently we have 7 people alive. At five alive with no further mime deaths, we hit LyWin, where one more town lynch wins the game. If we do vig into lynch Wake NOW, we merely hit LyWin versus winning the game. I assume you’re trying to propose a final win here which wouldn’t be possible rn

K, so Lywin means lynch to win?

I’m still not sure I understand how this is a bad thing?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Merry Christmas!

Yeah I'll grant 2 days.

This is best since I expect a lot of people would be inactive.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Gamma is running with the vanilla "I'm so town" thought process that Wake's best use of their ability is when we only need 2 more town lynches. It's under the caveat that Wake hits town, we lynch Wake, and town wins.

I'm vehemently against this plan as previously stated.

To restate, I'm of the opinion that Wake shoots today (because he has a higher chance of hitting town) and we KEEP HIM ALIVE as a pseudo-IC until lynching him wins us the game.

I’m still confused. I thought yours and Gamma’s plans were similar?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'm basing that Pyrrha townread on some main I think she could be

if I am wrong then fuck :/

Who do you think I am?

But you’re right, we have played together. Actually don’t out me, just mention a game you think,we were both in, then I can confirm or not.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Can someone explain to me why it isn’t in town’s best interest for Wake to just vig Creature and then we lynch Wake, because not doing that, makes 0 sense to me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VC 7.1

Creature: chkflip, Map Wolf, Creature

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-28 14:38:53)

Can we get another extension? It’s still the holidays.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

See, none of you is thinking straight here. We know Wake is confitown and leaving him to the end, just makes it all the easier for scum to get both lynches in, while we waste not lynching confitown. How has no one yet, seriously considered that?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If we’re all down with Creature dying today, then Wake should 100% shoot him then, and we lynch Wake right after that. And sorry @chk, @ Gamma, I don’t know if either/both of you are just being woats here or mimes but you aren’t thinking correctly and I’ve invested far too much already in this game, to let the two of you pretty much gamethrow.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

V/LA until 12/26. Merry Christmas all.

If you need me to shoot someone please try to get my attention in-thread.

You should shoot Creature.


I don’t think anyone is opposed to him dying today?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

After I am lynched Wake can take a shot though

Chk and Gamma will veto it though.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

No, I shouldn't be shot. We still need another town lynched before Wake

Why? Why should we take the unnecessary risk of possibly lynching a mime and no, I’m not nearly as convinced as you are on chk town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

After I am lynched Wake can take a shot though

Chk and Gamma will veto it though.

It's easier for Wake to shoot you than you get lynched by all town

I just told you that both chk and Gamma are opposed to Wake shooting next.


And I don’t care about that. I don’t want to take a chance we possibly lynch a mime.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

No, I shouldn't be shot. We still need another town lynched before Wake

Why? Why should we take the unnecessary risk of possibly lynching a mime and no, I’m not nearly as convinced as you are on chk town.

idk what are you saying

Wake shot still counts as a lynch

Yes, and you are currently my strongest tr, so we know, we get two town deaths back to back, right? So, it seems to me stupid to risk vig on any slot I’m not super confident on.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

And I don’t care about that. I don’t want to take a chance we possibly lynch a mime.

You mean me?

No not you, I mean chk obviously or anyone who isn’t Wake.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I just told you that both chk and Gamma are opposed to Wake shooting next.

Can they stop Wake from shooting?

It’s up to him. He hasn’t expressed an opinion on virtually anything, the entire game.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

because if I am shot today then you will have to LYNCH someone not Wake tomorrow

or if you lynch Wake tomorrow then you will have a 3v2 and will still need all town voting on town

Atp, you and Wake are the only ones, I’m super confident on, well Wake obviously but I’m not convinced yet on anyone else, so I don’t want to chance either vigging/lynching a mime.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

No, I shouldn't be shot. We still need another town lynched before Wake

Why? Why should we take the unnecessary risk of possibly lynching a mime and no, I’m not nearly as convinced as you are on chk town.

idk what are you saying

Wake shot still counts as a lynch

Yes, and you are currently my strongest tr, so we know, we get two town deaths back to back, right? So, it seems to me stupid to risk vig on any slot I’m not super confident on.

You

don't

get

it,

do

you?

If I am shot today and Wake is lynched next you will still have a 3v2. You will still have to either convince all other two town to vote you or correctly find the town between chk, Map, Gamma and Chemist.

I realize that. The problem is I’m not yet confident on who that is. You’re the only confident tr I have rn.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

There are still seven players alive

Two are mimes

Therefore you have 5 town and 2 mimes

You will need to kill 3 town somehow

There's Wake and me

but we still need another town

Well other than myself, I’m hoping I will hopefully figure that out by then - that at least one more player will obvtown by then but they haven’t yet, is my point.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

so I don’t want to chance either vigging/lynching a mime.

Well, sucks to be you, you will have to take a chance outside me or Wake still

But why should we do that, when I’m pretty confident on you town and we know 100% certain that Wake is as Well. Why not either vig/lynch the most confident tr first, which is obviously Wake and you?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I realize that. The problem is I’m not yet confident on who that is. You’re the only confident tr I have rn.

Wake and I being killed first won't prevent you from making that decision.

No but the, we only need one more town for the win, right? So, it’s a lot less risky that way.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It's better we either solve today coordinating a new lynch while we still have to convince only 4/5 of the current town or have Wake shoot someone tomorrow

Well, I’m not confident on that 3rd townie yet. That’s the entire point of my argument.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

so I don’t want to chance either vigging/lynching a mime.

Well, sucks to be you, you will have to take a chance outside me or Wake still

But why should we do that, when I’m pretty confident on you town and we know 100% certain that Wake is as Well. Why not either vig/lynch the most confident tr first, which is obviously Wake and you?

After we both are gone, then what? You will still have players you're less confident on.

But aren’t we still in a much stronger position that way, because we only would need one more townie to flip right?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I realize that. The problem is I’m not yet confident on who that is. You’re the only confident tr I have rn.

Wake and I being killed first won't prevent you from making that decision.

No but the, we only need one more town for the win, right? So, it’s a lot less risky that way.

We need exactly one town + me + Wake killed to win.

In 3v2 it's guaranteed two players will never vote town and 40% of the voices will be pro-scum. If town misvotes it can already mean a mime lynch and two more town to be lynched. So yeah no

But 3 will, so aren’t you proving my point? We only need 3.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It's better we either solve today coordinating a new lynch while we still have to convince only 4/5 of the current town or have Wake shoot someone tomorrow

Well, I’m not confident on that 3rd townie yet. That’s the entire point of my argument.

So you'd rather go to a 3v2 where you need not only to find that 3rd townie but also convince the 4th townie to vote them while two mimes will try to get each other lynched at all expenses?

Like I keep saying and repeating, I’m not confident yet on whom else is town. so what’s your solution to that?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

We can do these ways:
Town X > me > Wake
Town X > Wake > me
me > town X > Wake
me > Wake > town X
Wake > town X > me
Wake > me > town X

But the less town there is, the more mimes can control the lynch

But we don’t know who the mimes are and what if we lynch a mime next? That’s my point. With my solution, we are pretty much guaranteed two town deaths right? Isn’t that why Enter wanted a vig and you did two earlier, so what changed? What happens if we accidentally lynch a mime?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Like I keep saying and repeating, I’m not confident yet on whom else is town. so what’s your solution to that?

We solve that today lynching them or tomorrow where Wake shoots

You won’t be here to insure that, will you? Not if you’re lynched. Not unless we either get Wake to agree or someone else to go along with that plan.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Look, if you want me to hammer you. I will but don’t blame me if we lose because no one listened to me.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Like I keep saying and repeating, I’m not confident yet on whom else is town. so what’s your solution to that?

We solve that today lynching them or tomorrow where Wake shoots

You won’t be here to insure that, will you? Not if you’re lynched. Not unless we either get Wake to agree or someone else to go along with that plan.

We can trust Wake also?

He will likely do whatever the majority wants. He hasn’t given a single opinion on anything allgame.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

or we could have two or three townies agree on something rather than all four townies

Right and with your lynch, that would leave Wake, who has yet to express an opinion on jack and I’m the only other one I’m obviously confident on. So who are the other townies? I know you think chk. I’m far less confident on that. I haven’t gotten enough content from Chemist yet and I still don’t understand how chk’s and Gamma’s plan differs, because I’m not even sure Gamma even has one but they’re both against Wake vigshot is what I got out of it.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

What does woat mean?

Worst of all Time, like Goat is greatest of all Time. Woat=generally really bad town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

3 days if you tack on the 2 day extension GIF gave us to the opening vote count of this phase.

Oh good, that makes sense. I couldn’t understand why we had so little time left, if he had added it.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If someone should be shot then it's not me

Why not you? I think you’re the most logical vigshot, as I keep saying.

And what’s the difference to you whether you’re vigged or lynched?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If someone should be shot then it's not me

Why not you? I think you’re the most logical vigshot, as I keep saying.

And what’s the difference to you whether you’re vigged or lynched?

I'm one vote away from being lynched and we don't have much time

Enough said

3 days if you tack on the 2 day extension GIF gave us to the opening vote count of this phase.

If we have 3 days, I think we still have time. Do you seriously think we’d have trouble getting Wake lynched?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Wake shoots _x_ (someone else heavily considered as town), lynch Creature, lynch Wake.

This is, obviously, assuming _x_ is town.

I’m personally torn between wanting to be here at endgame to help make sure town gets it right and wanting out of this boring game.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think Chemist is pretty much mime here

Gamma and Map I'm both really unsure

Why are you so confident on Chemist mime? Before he replaced in, you wanted to shoot Pine.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Wait, no, fuck.

7.1 has the extension included. <1d left y'all.

@mod, it’s the freaking holidays, any chance we can extend this?

Alright then, if no extension, then I guess we really don’t have much choice in not lynching Creature, which sucks, unless GIF grants us another one.

So, whatever. I’m still not confident on chk town though. @chk can you explain why you thought Gamma’s solve differed from yours, because I’m really not seeing it?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Oh it's rude. That's cool.

I want Wake to shoot today. Like asap. Then we save his lynch for last.

Gamma wants Wake to not shoot today. He wants them to shoot after another town lynch.

I want to keep Wake alive until lynching him wins.

Gamma wants to lynch Wake immediately.

Idk how tf that's still confusing.

Oh, is this accurate Gamma?

I don’t see either one as AI ftr, one just speeds things up, right?
Wait, how does keeping Wake alive help us? When does lynching him win, if not after vig?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think, maybe, you're reading the second to last line and misinterpreting it? I don't mean anything other than you have expressed a desire for Wake to shoot tomorrow after another town lynch (which is basically our only choice at this point, grats) and THEN be lynched.

I guess arguably we want him lynched at the same time. We were just disagreeing on when he should've shot.

Pedit: that, unremarkably, doesn't surprise me at all.

The vigshot doesn’t end the day, right? so wouldn’t the lynch obviously follow that?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'll vote Creature after Wake shoots, unless Wake hits a mime

Wake shouldn't shoot Creature because we probably won't have time to decide on another wagon

Unless Gif grants another extension - which considering it’s still the freaking holidays, he absolutely should - then you don’t want to no lynch, because that helps scum.

I don’t understand, if Gif doesn’t grant another extension, why would you be opposed to lynching Creature regardless?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I wouldn't mind shooting. If I was you, I wouldn't shoot me since my behavior is super mime-ish. I think if Creature is mime, then random shooting might be a valid option.

Fuck it, shoot me and get over with this.

No.

And why the contradiction?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I honestly can’t tell if Map is mime or he’s just acting like it.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

FUCK YEAH BABY

Wake, fmpov don't shoot map wolf. I figure one mime on the Farkran wagon and one off. Means M-Dubbs is the one.

No fucking clue which of Gamms/Chemist/Pyrrha is the one off, but if I had to choose gun-to-my-head I'd wager Pyrrha isn't the one off?

Creature's town reads were myself and Pyrrha.

I don't think Gamma or Chem really have reads? If they do they haven't shared (In Chem's case being at all, in Gamma's case being in the last two day phases at least).

Also unsure if Pyrrha just thinks I'm dumb scum or dumb town. She has only expressed that she thinks I'm dumb.

Do you have reads, Wake?

Pedit:

I would suggest not holding or otherwise coding said votes, though. For the mod's sake.

What do you mean by “holding” or “coding” votes?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If we’re voting on vig, we should probably use heal tags and if we object to someone, use hurt tags I guess.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Or just voice opinions.

I submit myself for tribute.

I will play Katniss to your Primrose.

Seriously, it’s what now Day fucking 8? I can’t even believe this is still going on.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I envy Creature. :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

From where I’m at, while I still think Map over you as mime on wagon, I’m still not completely sure. I am only 100% confident in myself and Wake atp, sorry. :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think it should be beyond freaking obvious that I’m town by now but if no one else can see it, I’m also not opposed to straight up lynching Wake.

That’s why I wanted Creature vigged but no one would fucking listen to me.

We could now have two guaranteed town lynches here, instead of just one. Like I told Creature I wasn’t sure yet but here we still are.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I don’t think Farkran could get lynched without at least one mime on him. That’s seems to make the most sense but obviously could be wrong but Occam’s Razor says less likely and that in a nutshell is my problem. I knew of course, that at least one Farkran voter other than Wake had to be town and as good as scum!Creature has been at fooling me, I eventually realized that his play here, had to be out of his scumrange, so I was okay with him dying. I would have just rather him been vigged and Wake lynch follow. And despite Creature’s nonsense math argument, we would now be a lot better off than taking that risk. Obviously fmpov, it wouldn’t be one for myself to be vigged/lynched but I’m still frustrated that things didn’t pan out that way. :/

Because if we vig/lynch a mime today, we will definitely be a lot worse off then we would have been otherwise. So, if no one can agree on an optimal vig choice, I propose we just straight up lynch Wake.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

That's been my MO since the Farkran flip.

Thanks for catching up.

Oh and arguing no lynch over lynching Wake is promime, so I’m seriously wondering if you still adhere to this view?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Shooting is not really all that important. It's easier to just have a lynch.

True but what prevents us from being in the same situation tomorrow?

But we should obviously lynch Wake regardless, the question is just when.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think y'all are thinking about the VCA sort of backward

A townie being lynched instead of Farkran means the mimes just lose, so instead of thinking of it as 1 on 1 off, it should be at least 1 on

Means I don't want to lynch chk or Map, I think >90% of the time one of them has a mime

So what do you want to do? Have Wake vig someone offwagon or just lynch Wake?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I think y'all are thinking about the VCA sort of backward

A townie being lynched instead of Farkran means the mimes just lose, so instead of thinking of it as 1 on 1 off, it should be at least 1 on

Means I don't want to lynch chk or Map, I think >90% of the time one of them has a mime

So what do you want to do? Have Wake vig someone offwagon or just lynch Wake?

Both preferably

But by your meaning the former

Well, Pine (your predecessor), Gamma and myself are your choices for vig offwagon.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Which I guess doesn't make sense from your PoV but I'm just trying to clarify my argument

T'was I who was confused. I skimmed and thought you were parroting me. I know you weren't here, but the timing of the wagon is why I believe it to be 1 on 1 off.

That's been my MO since the Farkran flip.

Thanks for catching up.

Oh and arguing no lynch over lynching Wake is promime, so I’m seriously wondering if you still adhere to this view?

I've never advocated no lynch?

Shooting is not really all that important. It's easier to just have a lynch.

Choose a townie and vote.

Without further ado, I state this all to say that I don't think I'll be voting toDay if I don't get a solid townread before deadline.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@chk, I really don’t understand your interpretation of Farkran’s posting. His entire schtick was essentially “I’m town and if you’re not voting me, you’re either mime or gamethrowing”. So he initially tr Map for voting him, then sr him for switching to Wake. In hindsight, it read to me either like straight up mime WIFOM or like scum possibly trying to manipulate votes or maybe look like he was? I think his switches on Pine and Map, prove that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Farkran
Sorry I thought he got hammered.

Eh, it happens. I too have shut down my brain after i realized we were in autowin mode.

By the way, gg town! Perfect victory! Sorry scum, i admit this game was hard for you. See you next time, it's been fun playing with you all!

And it seems, right back to tr Map after hammer.

I think he probably sr almost the entire playerlist at different points, except for obviously Wake.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

So, the obvious question is, was this orchestrated with Map or just incidental?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VC 7.1

Creature: chkflip, Map Wolf, Creature, Chemist1422

Deadline: (expired on 2019-12-28 14:38:53)

Creature was

Vanilla Townie

.

Day 8 deadline: (expired on 2020-01-02 00:03:08)

Jesus, Day fucking 8 already. This game reminds me of this:





This game will go on record as the longest game ever.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

on my home site we had a game that lasted over 4000 days

it was popcorn and the gunbearer shooting themselves started a new day with no deaths

so they got the bright idea to do that over 4000 times

You mean actual day phases?

sounds like a game, I never want to sign up for.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Gamma has legitimately not voted a single villager all game lol

I think they're much more likely mime than Pyrrha

Well, we have just over 3 days for both vig and lynch.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Said I wasn't gonna vote, then almost immediately advocated and pushed through a Creature lynch. So the "chk no lynch" angle is a false narrative though I don't think you did that on purpose.

I'm thinking mime is Map and Gamma.

Without further ado,

I state this all to say that I don't think I'll be voting toDay if I don't get a solid townread before deadline

.

This is exactly what you said. so no false narrative.

And you voting Creature doesn’t contradict this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

You're saying I advocated a no lynch.

I didn't. I'm only talking about MY vote. Which I then fairly soon after used.

I'm honestly confused as to how this is even a pushable angle at all but okay.

If you didn’t have a strong enough tr, you said you wouldn’t vote, correct? So, refusal to vote in this game, is tantamount to supporting a no lynch. Do you disagree with that?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I spent exactly 0 posts advocating a no lynch.

I actually did the opposite in there somewhere.

I don't understand why you're vehemently ignoring that.

I’m not, you’re the one who is for whatever reason, ignoring EXACTLY what I’m saying. I said, if you refuse to vote - for whatever reason - then your vote may contribute to that. What part of THAT haven’t you been getting?

Like sorry but I honestly don’t think I can be any more CLEAR on this, then I already have.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Potentially contributing to a problem

and

ACTUALLY contributing to a problem

Two different things.

Which one did I do? WeLl By StAtInG tHaT -- no, I didn't contribute to any problem. I actually vocally said no lynching is not an option. Cool thanks fucking move on.

You’re still not getting it.

If your solo vote is the reason a no lynch were to happen, than you don’t need to be anti-no lynch for that to occur. God, my head hurts now. :/

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Potentially contributing to a problem

and

ACTUALLY contributing to a problem

Two different things.

Which one did I do? WeLl By StAtInG tHaT -- no, I didn't contribute to any problem. I actually vocally said no lynching is not an option. Cool thanks fucking move on.

You’re still not getting it.

If your solo vote is the reason a no lynch were to happen, than you don’t need to be anti-no lynch for that to occur. God, my head hurts now. :/

I mean it doesn’t actually matter if you’re opposed to it.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@mod

Can you prod Wake and Gamma

+1

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: chkflip
I'll throw this vote in since I think this is likely town.

Is this for vig or lynch?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

We our supposed to vote for someone for Wake to vig and since time is running out, lynch Wake. Why are you doing everything backwards?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Either is fine. But I personally prefer lynch if possible and only vig if time is out.

No, the idea is for Wake to vig someone then we lynch HIM.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Wake

I want Pyrrha shot before we hammer this tbh

Day 8 deadline: (expired on 2020-01-02 00:03:08)

I’ll be very happy to join Creature in dead thread, assuming Wake gets and responds to the prod in time. It took like forever for GIF to finally prod Pine and get him to respond.

So Wake needs 4 votes to lynch, so I’ll just keep checking back and make sure to vote him before deadline. Do I need to vote him before I’m vigged? I want my vote to count.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@mod, can the vig target still vote after being vigged or must I vote beforehand, in order for it to count?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Once Vig target is shot their vote won't count anymore.

VOTE: Wake

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Once Vig target is shot their vote won't count anymore.

VOTE: Wake

Jesus fucking Christ are you trying to "accidentally" lynch the fucking vigilante?

Unvote.

Are you not reading? Only Chemist can unvote here. My vote doesn’t count if I’m vigged and why are you even panicking? It takes 4 votes to lynch, so Wake is only at L-2 now.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@mod, can the vig target still vote after being vigged or must I vote beforehand, in order for it to count?

Once Vig target is shot their vote won't count anymore.

My only opportunity to avoid a no lynch, is to vote BEFORE I’m vigged.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

If Wake is lynched we can just lynch Pyrrha or whoever we agree on tomorrow

The point is that you can still vote after I’m vigged, I can’t, so unvoting for me is obviously NOT an option. So, I’m at a total loss as to why Chk thinks I should unvote, when I’m clearly trying to prevent a no lynch from happening, in case I’m vigged.

My vote won’t count once I’m vigged, so this is the only way I can help prevent a no lynch from happening.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Also, we only have a little over 2 days now, so I don’t see why Chemist needs to unvote either, since like I already pointed out, Wake is ONLY at freaking L -2 anyway, so he’s clearly in no immediate danger of being lynched before vig anyhow, so I totally don’t get Chk’s panic here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

???

If you’re vigged majority goes down so the same people need to vote regardless of you being alive

Yes, that too - even more the reason, Chk’s panic makes 0 sense here.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

???

If you’re vigged majority goes down so the same people need to vote regardless of you being alive

Yes, that too - even more the reason, Chk’s panic makes 0 sense here.

Because I obviously can’t be one of them, so the only way I can guarantee my vote counts, is to vote BEFORE I’m vigged. Had GIF said, I could still vote Wake AFTER my vig, I obviously would have waited.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Jesus fucking Christ are you trying to "accidentally" lynch the fucking vigilante?

Unvote.

Btw, why is accidentally in quotes? What are you implying?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It's pretty clear what I'm implying.

Explain it to me like I’m 5.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Nah. I'm gonna wait for Wake and pray to God he makes the right decision here.

Now who’s the one acting sketchy here? HINT: It sure as hell isn’t me!


You tell me EXACTLY wtf you’re implying here and do it fucking now!

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@mod, can the vig target still vote after being vigged or must I vote beforehand, in order for it to count?

Once Vig target is shot their vote won't count anymore.

My only opportunity to avoid a no lynch, is to vote BEFORE I’m vigged.

@Chk are you mime claiming or just aren’t fucking reading? Seriously I can’t tell anymore.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Nah. I'm gonna wait for Wake and pray to God he makes the right decision here.

Chk is the mime on the wagon, Map is probably town. Calling it now.

If I’m wrong here, then why tf are you falsely accusing me of trying to rush a wagon, when the mod just literally fucking told me that I can’t vote after I’m vigged?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Mimes are probably Chk and Gamma.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

What does this read like to you, Wake?

Make a decision.

I can tell you EXACTLY what it reads like to me! You’re intentionally not fucking reading the game and throwing ridiculous unfair accusations at me. I put Wake at L fucking 2, AFTER mod informed me, my vote wouldn’t count if I got vigged and you’re fucking stupidly sr me for that, WHY?

I’m not letting you weasel out of this.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Jesus fucking Christ are you trying to "accidentally" lynch the fucking vigilante?

Unvote.

And then, there’s this fucking bullshit. I’m not “accidentally” doing shit. Wake needs 4 votes, not 2. Did you fail math or something? I’m voting him, because

A) we need a goddamned lynch today.
B!There’s just a little over 2 days to prevent a no lynch.
C)If I’m vigged, my fucking vote won’t count. The mod told me so are why are you fucking ignoring that?

This reads to me that you are pissed Chemist wants me to be vigged over you. It’s not exactly rocket science.

How do I know this? Because every single goddamn time I try to either explain that through your thick skull, you won’t either answer me why you’re throwing around bullshit accusations or explaining to me exactly what you find fucking scummy about my voting Wake when we have two days before deadline and mod explicitly told me my vote won’t count if I make it after I’m vigged.

There is not even remotely anything at all “accidental” about my vote and if you were actually town here, you would stop pretending that was the case, when it clearly isn’t.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

What does this read like to you, Wake?

Make a decision.

Chk is scum for 1,000,00 Alex? Just a wild guess.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Actually, fuck it! Whether I get vig/lynched or not, just make sure that you never lynch Chk, because no way this behaviour ever comes from town. Chk is 99.9999% mime here, bank on it.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Very flailing and shading. Much convoluted. Wow.

Maybe it’s because you keep refusing to answer my goddamned question and keep bs shading me for what I’ve already explained to you a million fucking times.

If I did the exact same thing to you, I can’t imagine you wouldn’t scumlock me for that.

I keep asking you why you keep insisting my vote was an accident and I keep telling you, it wasn’t. I keep explaining why - listing all of the valid reasons I’m making it. You never even try to explain any of it to me, just continue to ignore all of my reasoning and call me scum for it. You tell me, in what world is this behaviour look even remotely townie to you and how it would clearly look to anyone fmpov.

I am not “accidently” voting, it’s intentional. We have 2 days to get a lynch, something you don’t seem for whatever reason to be processing. Mod told me if I’m vigged, my vote won’t count, so I made it now, just in case I’m vigged.

But somehow, you’re inexplicably implying that you who has yet to vote ANYONE with just 2 days to deadline - knowing that we are in serious danger of a no lynch is somehow acting townie by throwing bullshit shade on me for absolutely no good fucking reason? Yet, I’m the one here who’s acting scummy and “flailing”?

You’re either mime here or on drugs, which is it?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Spoiler:

Jesus fucking Christ are you trying to "accidentally" lynch the fucking vigilante?

Unvote.

Btw, why is accidentally in quotes? What are you implying?

It's pretty clear what I'm implying.

Explain it to me like I’m 5.

Nah. I'm gonna wait for Wake and pray to God he makes the right decision here.

What does this read like to you, Wake?

Make a decision.

Very flailing and shading. Much convoluted. Wow.

You tell, me exactly what about ANY of this reads townie to you. Go!

Considering the fact that I’ve completely debunked it and you still continue with this crap.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

UNVOTE:

Chk wants to gamethrow if town or he’s a mime. Anyway, I’m done with this game.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I’m not risking a temp ban because Chk is either a mime or being a woat. Gl guys.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Pyrrha Nikos

Enjoy Chk!

[Pyrrha Nikos]

That should probably be

vig me!

but that wouldn’t nearly be enough to piss Chk off. Either he’s bully mime or town on drugs but either way he owes me a fucking apology for misrepping my vote on Wake.

UNVOTE:

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VOTE: Wake

Sorry not sorry, I’m not fucking gamethrowing because you’re are not fucking reading my posts. If you’re town, I have 0 respect for your play here and if you’re mime, most likely, than I refuse to allow you to get away with this crap

If you’re mime, good on you. You figured out the right way to get under my skin. If you’re town, invest in a good pair of glasses or get your eyes checked.

But I’m very close to losing it on you and I don’t need to be literally bullied out of yet another game by ______ .

You’re just not worth risking a temp ban over.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Subject: Micro 901 | Penguin Mafia, The Third | Endgame

I have no interest in this game now it’s become a toxic fest. If somebody wants to make a case for somebody else in an attempt to convince me I’ll listen but my gut really says amrun. I’m suspicious of gamma a little.

I relate, Ethos and Amrun have pretty much ruined the game for me.

Well, I feel pretty confident, scum is in my PoE of Amrun/Gamma/Power. I think so long as we don’t lynch outside of there, we win the game.

I was beginning to doubt my Amrun sr but he doesn’t seem to be making any effort to sort me at all, he just keeps death tunneling me pretty much. At least Gamma’s made an effort to read me.

I think he thinks power and me are optimal mislynchbait or something. He’ll probably stay on the one who’s easier to push.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Subject: Micro 901 | Penguin Mafia, The Third | Endgame

I honestly don't want to play with pyrrha, that's where I'm at. this talking down on people and egotistical bullshit is stupid and I'm not having fun

Added bonus that she's scum so lets lynch her and get this game over with thanks

You don’t like me but how does that make me scum?

And yeah, you will be apologizing to me but I’m not sure rn whether or not I will accept it.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Subject: Micro 901 | Penguin Mafia, The Third | Endgame

Yeah I'm not letting her bully me out of the game, that's a horrible precedent to set.

I’m not trying to “bully” anyone but in no way do I intend to just do nothing while you mislynch me because you’re not even trying to critically read my posts. You’d be pissed too in my position. I’ve ISO’d your games, so please stop being so hypocritical about that.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Subject: Micro 901 | Penguin Mafia, The Third | Endgame

I have no interest in this game now it’s become a toxic fest. If somebody wants to make a case for somebody else in an attempt to convince me I’ll listen but my gut really says amrun. I’m suspicious of gamma a little.

I relate, Ethos and Amrun have pretty much ruined the game for me.

Well, I feel pretty confident, scum is in my PoE of Amrun/Gamma/Power. I think so long as we don’t lynch outside of there, we win the game.

I was beginning to doubt my Amrun sr but he doesn’t seem to be making any effort to sort me at all, he just keeps death tunneling me pretty much. At least Gamma’s made an effort to read me.

I think he thinks power and me are optimal mislynchbait or something. He’ll probably stay on the one who’s easier to push.

All of these reads wound up being wrong btw, all were town.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Subject: Micro 901 | Penguin Mafia, The Third | Endgame

Also, L-1s can turn around but any somewhat competent player could see shos was doomed unless he had a spectacular claim. There was still more town could have gotten out of the day. Ending it prematurely was clearly anti town.

P-edit: cool it with the threats, please.

Why are you still voting me if you’re town? Ethos is just bad but what’s your excuse?

Because I think you’re scum, and if you’re not, you’re playing is bad for the town either way. Your behavior is mean, bratty and reads like scum throwing a fit because they thought they were going to be soooo townread for their buddy hammer.

Ethos, don’t give up. Sanity is still here.

P-edit: that’s not true, Robb. Scum bus all the time, especially in that situation.

eth0s was scum in that game, so @Chk, you can claim meta is trash until hell freezes over but you - if you’re truly willing to be honest here - have to redact that my “fit” as you so disrespectfully call it, is anything other than NAI.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

There isn’t any point to ask Wake to give reads, we’ve already tried and he refuses. He isn’t going to make the decision who to vig. He’s made that abundantly clear.

Meanwhile, Gamma doesn’t seem to be posting anywhere. I wonder if either slot will need to be replaced.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I don't have to redact a Goddamn thing and will not apologize for being non-responsive to your implosion. kthxbai

You are dead wrong about me “accidentally” trying to rush a lynch through on Wake and considering I only put him at L - 2 and we are so close to deadline, what is the alternative?

We 100% know he’s town, so who better to lynch?

Do we even know either Wake or Gamma has even been prodded yet? No we don’t, so we might be looking at a no lynch, if we can’t get 4 votes on anyone.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

@mod, has either Wake or Gamma been prodded yet?

It’s almost 72 hrs now, I think?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'm absolutely not lynching town's only power without it being used.

That's fucking dumb.

So iyo, what is the smarter alternative?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Day 8 deadline: (expired on 2020-01-02 00:03:08)

So, just over 48 hrs to agree on a lynch. Does anyone see that happening to anyone other than Wake?

Scum need just 2 no lynches to win, don’t forget that.

I’m at least trying to make a wagon happen.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

VC 8

Wake88: Cheimst1422
Gamma Emerald: Map Wolf, chkflip, Gamma Emerals

5 votes, 3 to lynch

Day 8 deadline: (expired on 2020-01-02 00:03:08)

Gamma Emerald was a

Mime

.

Mimes win!

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I really thought we were going to lose.

Btw @Chk, my voting for Wake wasn’t scummy. I actually had a massive brain fart and thought my vote would actually count, so long as I made it before the vig, so I was genuinely pissed at you for sr me for the wrong reasons. I actually did that to look obvtown, which I obviously wouldn’t have done, hadn’t I had that massive brain fart.

@Map, wtf were you thinking not wanting to lynch Wake next? Chemist had the right idea all along. I think had he not been a late game replacement, you all would have obvtowned him.


Oh and here’s the video I would have posted in Dead thread after I got vigged, had there actually been a dead thread:

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Oh my god this game

We literally thought we were fucked up 3 pages into d1 after rauth laid out his strategy. Then i get lynched last in the volunteers group

for being townread too much

, and... vig shoots mime then town quicklynches the last mime

Sounds good

Lol sorry i had to celebrate and brag about it. Also my 100% winrate is still intact after 5 games + 1 rep-in, this account is blessed

Thank you pyrrha and gamma, had plenty of fun in the mime PT.

I was expecting to see you in dead thread, until I found out there wasn’t one.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Being scum in this game, is the difference between life imprisonment and being on death row.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I didn't wanna lynch wake because keeping him alive would've given us a higher chance of winning.

Well, that obviously worked out well.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I really wish I hadn't been lynched when I did. I had my doubts about

Buki

but I didn't want to try and play a game I wasn't alive for, but oh well.

Who?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It is a shame that Pine made his slot so scummy because I thought Chemist was fairly townie. I don’t get why you guys voted to kill a slot that wasn’t Wake if you weren’t going to use his vigilante shot.

I just find it funny that I replaced in and got immediately lynched. Yay!

I don’t get it either and I was scum in this game.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

Venmar super obvtowned right before replace out.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I still can’t believe we actually won this. None of us has had any familiarity with this type of setup and we made so many mistakes, like Creature aptly put in, he was wondering what scum was doing, well, we were too.

[Pyrrha Nikos]

It’s hard to mod a game, maybe the rules need to be changed for incorrigible lurkers?

[Pyrrha Nikos]

I'm thinking maybe on Day 1 have a vote to give a town player the vigilante shot? It only succeeds if a town player is the one nominated? Not sure how much that messes up the balance

I think that from a town pov, that would have probably been the most optimal use of the vig.