Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

[Nero Cain]

we mighta just won, barring YR trolling us.

[SirCakez]

BAEZU THE GAME IS OVER STOP CATCHING UP

[Nero Cain]

dude, let her lol

[farside22]

dude, let her lol

Don't be mean. This game was torture.
Never again will I join a game that has no deadline.

[Churros]

Large games are torture.

Too many people. Too little cohesion.

[SirCakez]

dude, let her lol

Don't be mean. This game was torture.
Never again will I join a game that has no deadline.

Same

[Churros]

The more players you've, the less each individual has agency in the game progress, and it means that if there isn't a strong consensus, the game is going to be pushed into many different directions at the same time. It was better than a normal large since the playerlist was divided into half, but still awful.

Having so many players agree on something is so exhausting. It's why larges have such a high scum winrate compared to other queues as well. Most of the early lynches happens on slots with a non-charismatic playstyle/naturally scummy/lurky.

[SirCakez]

like this no-deadlines thing was so painful I'm actually considering reducing the deadline in future games I moderate

[Trojan Horses]

Having so many players agree on something is so exhausting. It's why larges have such a high scum winrate compared to other queues as well. Most of the early lynches happens on slots with a non-charismatic playstyle/naturally scummy/lurky.

You being town, Vecna being town and myself being town: this was why I thought RC slot was highest confidence scum, I felt like he was dismantling the cohesion that was forming.

[Nero Cain]

I mean maybe its b/c I wasn't here for most of the game but I didn't feel like the no deadlines was painful. Although it does feel like ppl tend not to do shit until deadline forces them to in most games.

[Jingle]

Vote Count #4.3
Halloween	Christmas
With 5 Alive, it is 3 to lynch or No Lynch! Trojan Horses (1): SirCakez, SirCakez (1): Eve Baezu (0): Eve (0): Yshtola Rule (0): Not Voting (3): Yshtola Rule, Trojan Horses, Baezu,	With 8 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! Not_Mafia (3): Churros, Nero Cain, BBMolla, Gobbledegook, NSG, Nero Cain (1): farside22 (1): Wonderwalll, NSG (0): churros (1): BBMolla (1): farside22, Wonderwalll (0): Gobbledegook (0): Not Voting (1): Not_Mafia,

A Win Condition has been achieved!

[farside22]

Vote Count #4.3
Halloween	Christmas
With 5 Alive, it is 3 to lynch or No Lynch! Trojan Horses (1): SirCakez, SirCakez (1): Eve Baezu (0): Eve (0): Yshtola Rule (0): Not Voting (3): Yshtola Rule, Trojan Horses, Baezu,	With 8 Alive, it is 5 to Lynch or No Lynch! Not_Mafia (3): Churros, Nero Cain, BBMolla, Gobbledegook, NSG, Nero Cain (1): farside22 (1): Wonderwalll, NSG (0): churros (1): BBMolla (1): farside22, Wonderwalll (0): Gobbledegook (0): Not Voting (1): Not_Mafia,

A Win Condition has been achieved!

Let me guess. NM is a jester and he wins.



Kidding, kidding.

[Jingle]

The Town of

Trojan Horses
We are not helping
Titus
Eve
gobbledygook
jjh
churros
farside22
northsidegal
Wonderwalll
Vecna
Nero Cain
Baezu
SirCakez

Is victorious!

[SirCakez]

I mean maybe its b/c I wasn't here for most of the game but I didn't feel like the no deadlines was painful. Although it does feel like ppl tend not to do shit until deadline forces them to in most games.

It was REALLY bad earlier
Pre LR lynch nobody has motivation to hammer anything and no wagon got above like 3 votes

[farside22]

The Town of

Trojan Horses
We are not helping
Titus
Eve
gobbledygook
jjh
churros
farside22
northsidegal
Wonderwalll
Vecna
Nero Cain
Baezu
SirCakez

Is victorious!

BB was scum!!!!!
Woot!!!!

Man I feel better seeing that.

[Jingle]

Personal PTs will be opened only by their owners. Scum PT will be given 48 hours in case of redactions, as will the Mason PT.

I never actually made a dead PT for this game

Mod PT/Review thread is here.

Sorry for the wonky balance this game guys. I did address it in the mod PT to an extent, but it was a massive mistake on my part. I failed to reconsider win conditions after removing a central mechanic, and scum had a severe uphill battle from the beginning.

[Churros]

I failed to reconsider win conditions after removing a central mechanic

shuffle on playerlists?

[Jingle]

Pre LR lynch nobody has motivation to hammer anything and no wagon got above like 3 votes

This was actually somewhat intended. I had guessed that there would be a lot of D1 thread apathy and scum would be able to push through just about anything they wanted with so many voices.

[Jingle]

I failed to reconsider win conditions after removing a central mechanic

shuffle on playerlists?

Actually, yes. But it was role based, not mechanics based.

[Churros]

Ok my SR on Cakez was wrong but my second hard SR was right

50% accuracy is ok enough in my book

Farside this is actually kinda funny in hindsight

You and me Farside

Back to back.

Gotta catch 'em all.

[SirCakez]

Dang that Game Swapper role would have been nuts

[Churros]

damn bb

why you messed my solve with awful bussing...

I thought it was one active slot + one lurky slot in the [BB, Farside, NM, Elmo]. If you had voted Elmo like you were supposed to as described in your wincon, I would have got BB/NM right since I thought you were more likely scum than Farside.

very sad

don't push town wincon as scum in a no-bussing setup guys...

[Jingle]

In hindsight to rebalance the setup I would have chosen one of the following:

3 scum lynched instead of two, masons -> neighbors.
All scum lynched.
Return nsg's role to the original state (swap any two players in games every night, compulsive (Note: this change was to swap one player with self slightly before the review process started).

I think for a first run setup with this style, the first would be my preference, just because the game was more complicated than I expected even without swapping games.

I'd also like to congratulate the scum team for making it as far as they did when they were fighting against what was a pretty stacked town player list in addition to a ridiculous amount of town power. Even coming near the finish line was impressive as hell.

[Churros]

My Cakez read was beyond saving this game though, I would never have believed he was town before the flip.

When I was considering my teams, I thought he wasn't likely partnered with NM but not sure if it was enough for me to override my gut there.

I guess if it was two different games, I lose Halloween and win Xmas.

[Jingle]

Someone asked if the Lie Ren redaction was on purpose, and the answer is mostly.

I actually intended to clarify what cross game Roleblocker meant, but actually forgot that I'd redacted it as fully as I had in order to post the flip quickly.

The confirmation of a joint scum PT and scum player names was intentionally withheld, though.