Doubles Mafia Day 2/ Day 2

Trojan Horses · Post Post #7525 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:47 am

In post 6245, We are not helping wrote:Didn't BBmolla soft defend Lie Ren?

-bitmap

Only non-woat in that hydra.

ISO · Post Post #7526 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:48 am

In post 7519, Auro wrote:I apologize, Eve!

Sorry about my attitude towards you Cakez but you kept throwing like level-0 reasons to call me scum, and kept calling me scum who wanted to mislynch you when I said you were town... Perhaps realize that an agenda can be tied to *anything* and recognize actual solving effort? Idk

Idk man to me you looked like scum positioning yourself for the endgame
It just felt too convenient

Auro · Post Post #7527 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:49 am

In post 7526, SirCakez wrote:Idk man to me you looked like scum positioning yourself for the endgame
It just felt too convenient

I am curious: Honestly tell me what town in my position should be doing?

Auro · Post Post #7528 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:51 am

A lot of solving/planning to optimize town win% will also look like scum planning - that's why you need to read into it and see what they're really doing IMO.

Churros · Post Post #7529 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:51 am

Nancy, let's not...

I don't think anyone other than Titus had perfect reads here and I'm not sure Titus's read on shuichi hadn't some luck on it given she didn't read the game but only did VCA, that is kind of hit or miss although she can correct me on it herself now.

It was a good read though.

But yeah, let's not do that. WANH played well especially given they were one of the reasons we lynched Lie Ren at all.

Trojan Horses · Post Post #7530 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:52 am

In post 5126, We are not helping wrote:
In post 5118, Trojan Horses wrote:
In post 5109, We are not helping wrote:So everything is filtered in by that he is the logic/controlled mastermind of the hydra
If I was masterminding...

I would've made Lie Ren claim VT.

I would've hard veto'd anything more than a few AtE posts from Nancy - a token amount because she does it in town games, and after that hard lurk. As town she just feels it's unfair or whatever, and while I've said many times outside this game that it's OK to be pushed and mislynched she still needs to learn how to handle it. As scum she'd just defer to what I tell her to do, though, 100%.

I would've had a lot lesser thread presence, especially when I realize I wasn't getting townread for it - because what's the point?

I would've been occasionally snarky and fake some sweet non-antagonistic solves, maybe go aggro a couple of times because town meta and then just chill out.

I wouldn't cheekily start declaring townblocs with slots RC was scumreading lol (and I can't be scum with Vecna now )

I wouldn't be strongly advocating that Mastina's quickhammer was not intentional, would just let the dominant thread discourse flow.

I would leave Sushi alone but always have him in a PoE so I can vote him without really pushing him.

I wouldn't be pushing SirFakez a second time after the first aggro push, wouldn't feign being unsure of him.

If I am scum this game, I am a poor mastermind

-Stuxnet

Don't sell yourself short. I think this was good mastermind play. It is so high level that it doesn't even make sense at any place.

~fire

Trojan Horses · Post Post #7531 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:55 am

In post 7529, Churros wrote:Nancy, let's not...

I don't think anyone other than Titus had perfect reads here and I'm not sure Titus's read on shuichi hadn't some luck on it given she didn't read the game but only did VCA, that is kind of hit or miss although she can correct me on it herself now.

It was a good read though.

But yeah, let's not do that. WANH played well especially given they were one of the reasons we lynched Lie Ren at all.

Nah, scum did town a humongous favour by NKing them. Better than rand chance, that helped us win. I did however feel bad for Bit.

gobbledygook · Post Post #7532 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:55 am

WANH was pushing Lie Ren because they thought the interactions between Lie Ren and TH were partner indicative, I can confirm that

Auro · Post Post #7533 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:55 am

In post 7529, Churros wrote:Nancy, let's not...

Yup, I agree it's in poor taste to call people woats

I think WANH was playing more than their stances in thread suggested, considering they were Mason.

ISO · Post Post #7534 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 7:59 am

In post 7527, Auro wrote:
In post 7526, SirCakez wrote:Idk man to me you looked like scum positioning yourself for the endgame
It just felt too convenient
I am curious: Honestly tell me what town in my position should be doing?

Well what you were doing obviously lol
I just misread the motivation

Auro · Post Post #7535 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:00 am

Ah OK then. Then, cool

Trojan Horses · Post Post #7536 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:00 am

In post 7533, Auro wrote:
In post 7529, Churros wrote:Nancy, let's not...
Yup, I agree it's in poor taste to call people woats

I think WANH was playing more than their stances in thread suggested, considering they were Mason.

Not if they fucking deserve it. They (2/3 heads) were deathtunnelling us and ignoring all signs that pointed to them being wrong, so not apologizing for that. At least Cakez was actually trying to sort us.

Churros · Post Post #7537 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:01 am

Nancy reading you right has 0 to do to the grand scale of things. WANH was a huge help to town here, tunneling your slot or not.

Bitmap · Post Post #7538 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:02 am

Thanks for the game!

OkaPoka · Post Post #7539 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:03 am

thanks for the s tier modding jingle!

Trojan Horses · Post Post #7540 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:06 am

In post 7537, Churros wrote:Nancy reading you right has 0 to do to the grand scale of things. WANH was a huge help to town here, tunneling your slot or not.

Whatever, ever since they were NK’d to this moment, I’ve been enthusiastically waiting for this moment. I’m glad you’d be cool with being deathtunnelled and discredited all damn game, I’m not.

Bitmap · Post Post #7541 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:09 am

I think at some point, it's fine to tunnel to push people so we can get lynches going forward. The main problem I have as town is that I'll have some good takes and then never follow up on them.

I enjoyed playing with Oka and FB. The masonry discord is probably one of the most fun masonry I've been in and gobble was very fun to work with.

OkaPoka · Post Post #7542 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:11 am

i had fun with you too bitmap <3 and firebringer ^_^ and gobbles :3

for a first actual hydra experience, to roll masons was a blast

Bitmap · Post Post #7543 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:14 am

The RC slot was pretty much confirmed town once RC did RC things. And mastina felt the same as she was in TM so I had both these slots perma pegged as town. I'm more proud of this than suspecting BB of being scum because I actually was pushing these two slots as town more or less.

Trojan Horses · Post Post #7544 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:20 am

In post 5974, We are not helping wrote:
In post 5963, Trojan Horses wrote:Is there even one of your heads that is decent at Mafia? Serious question. If scum kills this slot, they 100% deserve to lose because they’re absolute fucking morons if they do.
why you talking to urself?

~fire

In post 5987, We are not helping wrote:
In post 5983, Trojan Horses wrote:
In post 5974, We are not helping wrote:
In post 5963, Trojan Horses wrote:Is there even one of your heads that is decent at Mafia? Serious question. If scum kills this slot, they 100% deserve to lose because they’re absolute fucking morons if they do.
why you talking to urself?

~fire
You’re absolutely hilarious

NOT!
did you have a 10 year old write that come back for you?

~fire

Gee Churros, you didn’t seem to have a problem with any of this.

Trojan Horses · Post Post #7545 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:22 am

In post 7541, Bitmap wrote:I think at some point, it's fine to tunnel to push people so we can get lynches going forward. The main problem I have as town is that I'll have some good takes and then never follow up on them.

I enjoyed playing with Oka and FB. The masonry discord is probably one of the most fun masonry I've been in and gobble was very fun to work with.

So, I was right? Told you @Auro.

Bitmap · Post Post #7546 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:23 am

In post 7545, Trojan Horses wrote:
In post 7541, Bitmap wrote:I think at some point, it's fine to tunnel to push people so we can get lynches going forward. The main problem I have as town is that I'll have some good takes and then never follow up on them.

I enjoyed playing with Oka and FB. The masonry discord is probably one of the most fun masonry I've been in and gobble was very fun to work with.
So, I was right? Told you @Auro.

What were you right on?

Auro · Post Post #7547 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:26 am

No no it's fine for people to misread us

I like being thought of as a master manipulator anyway. But yeah good case for not making too much effort

Trojan Horses · Post Post #7548 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:28 am

In post 6749, Trojan Horses wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 1456, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1423, BBmolla wrote:Why are people so dead this game what the actual fuck

too many dead people to be fucking scum

THIS IS HOW WE LOSE BROS

CAN WE PLEASE NOT LET THIS GAME DIE
Lol this is the fakest shit of all time, this is prime 2008 era shitty scumplay

In post 1457, Not_Mafia wrote:Will hammer Molla when he hits L-1, not reading anything but VCs until that happens, will be back to shitpost as the mood takes me

In post 1462, Not_Mafia wrote:
In post 1458, BBmolla wrote:that's literally horse shit
Not literally

If NM flips scum, molla likely buddy.

Haha, I was the first one to call this. Scum!NM usually distances his buddies.

Trojan Horses · Post Post #7549 (ISO) » Mon Apr 27, 2020 8:29 am

In post 7546, Bitmap wrote:
In post 7545, Trojan Horses wrote:
In post 7541, Bitmap wrote:I think at some point, it's fine to tunnel to push people so we can get lynches going forward. The main problem I have as town is that I'll have some good takes and then never follow up on them.

I enjoyed playing with Oka and FB. The masonry discord is probably one of the most fun masonry I've been in and gobble was very fun to work with.
So, I was right? Told you @Auro.
What were you right on?

Gobbles being the other mason.