Open 779: Pick Your Power X/Y Game Over!

[Farkset]

Don you seems to be quite afraid of being lynched. Do you have personal detestation for it?
~ker

[Datisi]

mm, not really, no, but i'm not townreading anyone in the actual sense of the word

might be because i'm feeling pretty demotivated for this game right now (i say right now but it's obviously been like that for a good while)

how similarly does scum!you act towards your partners in newbies and non-newbies? i remember what made me walk back from scum!you in 1992 was you saying you wouldn't bus that hard in a newbie.

if you're feeling unmotivated then are you actually likely to go through and verify what skitter says to you here? because otherwise this seems like a kind of lazy/empty question as scum!skitter could just lie with impunity. I don't think skitter has a set play style as scum either, meaning she'd probably be able to provide a game or two of meta in either direction should she decide to lie about what she honestly thinks

i don't do metareads based on random games i wasn't a part of

i am for reasons familiar with (i think) newbie 1971 where skit was scum and her partner got lynched day 1 and she tried to swing the wagon onto someone else
based on her reply there it maybe would've inspired me to look at that game again
which maybe would've inspired me to do something here
not everything i post/ask serves an exact purpose
some things i post just to see if the responses Spark My Inspiration

i have alimdia/CSF/skitter/jv/drdrew/dunn as do not lynch today
and n_m as maybe do not lynch due to draft order

okay, explain why for these then

explain what your read on me is. you've made comments about how you think I might get lynched and you don't seem unhappy with it. do you think I'm scum here ?what did you think of my gambit? if you do think I'm scum why have you been hesitant to join on me? what do you think it says that a significant element of your TRs are not voting me?

alimdia seems kinda towny also apparently was a counter to aldus
someone linked CSF's posts that are antipartner with aldus
skitter is kinda gut
jv is a cop clear
drdrew is the whole neighborizer claim logic
dunn is a cop claim

fucc if i have a read on you. your tunnel is annoying and i'm so far having a hard time taking it too seriously becuase it seems like you're just shouting in the wind, also you're a contender for the lynch so no point shouting back at you if you die today anyway.

i'm not too unhappy about it because so much of this game has been revolving around your fakeclaim it's getting boring to read and is just killing my interest further. i don't think you're scum, no, that's why i'm not voting you right now. i don't care too much about your gambit in terms of your alignment.

i'm assuming you're gonna get to it, but i'd like to hear your thought on my posts on the second half of pg 63 and pg 64.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

VOTE: drpepper

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Town:
Skitter (wouldn't pick 2 with Aldus? Alim (Counterwagon to scum), Drew (wouldn't pick Neighborizer as scum, easily verified claim), NM (this is not how scum plays)

Null
CSF (town lean, mostly gut), Ico (disliked 1550 on the weird Skitter push but I can't really remember much), Dunnstral (debating if Cop automatically means town cop), DC (debating if gambit is anti town but not scum), JV (legit have no read)

Scum:
Dats (disinterest in the game? I mean if Dats was that uninspired he could just flake out right?), Fark (you know this)

What’s the difference between NM’s play that makes him townie and JV’s or even Datisis?

[DonCorleone]

Don you seems to be quite afraid of being lynched. Do you have personal detestation for it?
~ker

I mean if I have to be lynched then so be it, but I'm not just going to sit there and let myself be lynched? I don't think that's a reasonable thing to ask/expect of any player regardless of alignment, and I'm definitely not okay with being lynched when I think that despite having been ass-to-head backwards on D1 my overall play has been very solidly townie and the bad slots are (mostly) the ones who seem to want me lynched

[DonCorleone]

mm, not really, no, but i'm not townreading anyone in the actual sense of the word

might be because i'm feeling pretty demotivated for this game right now (i say right now but it's obviously been like that for a good while)

how similarly does scum!you act towards your partners in newbies and non-newbies? i remember what made me walk back from scum!you in 1992 was you saying you wouldn't bus that hard in a newbie.

if you're feeling unmotivated then are you actually likely to go through and verify what skitter says to you here? because otherwise this seems like a kind of lazy/empty question as scum!skitter could just lie with impunity. I don't think skitter has a set play style as scum either, meaning she'd probably be able to provide a game or two of meta in either direction should she decide to lie about what she honestly thinks

i don't do metareads based on random games i wasn't a part of

i am for reasons familiar with (i think) newbie 1971 where skit was scum and her partner got lynched day 1 and she tried to swing the wagon onto someone else
based on her reply there it maybe would've inspired me to look at that game again

which maybe would've inspired me to do something here
not everything i post/ask serves an exact purpose
some things i post just to see if the responses Spark My Inspiration

i have alimdia/CSF/skitter/jv/drdrew/dunn as do not lynch today
and n_m as maybe do not lynch due to draft order

okay, explain why for these then

explain what your read on me is. you've made comments about how you think I might get lynched and you don't seem unhappy with it. do you think I'm scum here ?what did you think of my gambit? if you do think I'm scum why have you been hesitant to join on me? what do you think it says that a significant element of your TRs are not voting me?

alimdia seems kinda towny also apparently was a counter to aldus
someone linked CSF's posts that are antipartner with aldus
skitter is kinda gut
jv is a cop clear
drdrew is the whole neighborizer claim logic
dunn is a cop claim

fucc if i have a read on you. your tunnel is annoying and i'm so far having a hard time taking it too seriously becuase it seems like you're just shouting in the wind, also you're a contender for the lynch so no point shouting back at you if you die today anyway.

i'm not too unhappy about it because so much of this game has been revolving around your fakeclaim it's getting boring to read and is just killing my interest further. i don't think you're scum, no, that's why i'm not voting you right now. i don't care too much about your gambit in terms of your alignment.

i'm assuming you're gonna get to it, but i'd like to hear your thought on my posts on the second half of pg 63 and pg 64.

see, part of my problem is that I feel like scum a lot of the time are "asking things without a purpose". that's why I was asking icon about you after he joined the game, because that seems to fit with a lot of what you've been doing -- as in, not really playing.

I actually like your reads apart from I don't think the neighbouriser should be a clear for drew, just maybe a reason to not put him as preference 1 for lynching. I think his move on me has been gross from what I've read so far.

I think my absence probably slowed the game down a lot -- I don't think this is entirely my fault btw, you could all have kept playing while waiting for me to turn up -- but yeah, I think it's good to try to move past the fake claim. I'm aware that you could be town who's just apathied out, but without you producing anything like this, and with you avoiding giving stances that are clear, it's very hard to assess if those are genuine positions or if they're just made up and you're not substantiating them to make them more easily changeable in the future. like if you give a reason for a read and then want to completely backpedal it, that's harder if you've said explicitly what your reasons for a read are than if you haven't.

but hey, you're not voting me which like I said is something, especially with NM in the game and his propensity for L-1 hammering.

do you not think that my gambit is an important element in determining my alignment?

I guess partly I think you're not interested in a lot fo things I am interested in, and that's pinging because I want those things focused to try and find scum while you're kind of just passing on them.

I will get to it but I'm making food so I'm just here partially in vivo while I cook and eat -- catch up will resume later

[Datisi]

see, part of my problem is that I feel like scum a lot of the time are "asking things without a purpose". that's why I was asking icon about you after he joined the game, because that seems to fit with a lot of what you've been doing -- as in, not really playing.

-snip-

do you not think that my gambit is an important element in determining my alignment?

I guess partly I think you're not interested in a lot fo things I am interested in, and that's pinging because I want those things focused to try and find scum while you're kind of just passing on them.

from "scum ask things without a purpose" and "datisi is asking things without a purpose" you cannot logically conclude "datisi is scum". am i doing that? yeah. but that's how i play when i don't have a good grasp on the game or my reads.

~

it might be to other people. to me it's not. my first instinct when seeing a gambit like that is "oh it's town because scum wouldn't do that", and i am aware of how worthless that conclusion is. so i disregard the whole thing. if my ability to discern someone's alignment is better by some means than others, i'm generally not gonna waste time banging my head against the wall with things i'm not good at.

what are the lot of things you're interested in here and i'm not, apart from your gambit?

[skitter30]

jv why are you so scummy this game ?

skitter, what's your take on drew in the PT? has he been active/solving there?

roughly the same as here, i would say

[skitter30]

what do you think are the odds of there being scum in the upper part of the draft, like in drew/fark/NM based on the same logic?

i feel very confident that there's for sure one scum above aldu
the other is either above him or in the 1's

[skitter30]

i'd vote dc if like tomorrow morning when i wake up my vote is needed for a lynch but otherwise i'm not super vibing it

[Iconeum]

VOTE: pepper

[Dunnstral]

9 hours left. Dr pepper you're at l-2; you should claim if you're around

[DoctorPepper]

watcher if they have a shot ideally i guess ought to be on dunn but i wouldn't like consider it a scumclaim for them not to be

Yeah, yours gonna wanna keep me alive for one night longer, so I suggest you find a new lynch

[DoctorPepper]

To be clear, this is a claim and it's also me claiming I haven't used that shot

[Dunnstral]

ok; I'm willing to keep you alive. Suggestions for the lynch?

[Dunnstral]

Rather, we very much should keep you alive

[DoctorPepper]

I wanted DonC for policy (if people don't trust him in lylo) and because I was sheeping Drew (not Dark, as Dats is misrepping)

Dats or DonC is good for me right now.

[DoctorPepper]

I actually kinda didn't want to reveal this right away because I doubt you're gonna be NK'd tonight with this reveal so my shot might be useless, and I kinda wanted to go UTR so as not to attract the NightKill either

[DoctorPepper]

Come to think of it, wouldn't scum DonC want to gladiator Dunn today for the real cop claim and demand the lynch be between you two?

[Iconeum]

UNVOTE:

[Iconeum]

Come to think of it, wouldn't scum DonC want to gladiator Dunn today for the real cop claim and demand the lynch be between you two?

not really

scum!donc would play it exactly like this. He gets away without being hard scumread for the claim, and scum have a nice and clean N2 cop kill pending protects. Gladiating means even if donc wins it today, he gets lynched on the spot tomorrow for the same benefit.

town!donc would also play it like this, which is why it's impossible to put him anywhere based on his actions. That meme claim is terrible for town because it forces out the cop claim, but it's just not *quite* scum indicative. Would definitely still policy lynch for fake claiming as town. Have done so in the past with 0 regrets.

[Iconeum]

i'm fine with lynching DonC here based on PoE, and give Pepper a night to try and perform his action. His claim isn't necesarilly town, but there's no harm in not lynching him today.

[Iconeum]

VOTE: donC

[Iconeum]

i know i've been flip flopping a lot even for my own standards, but it's just really hard putting donC on anything here.
lynching him will clear up the pool outside of the lynch, and give a pontential PR time to act.

[Datisi]

ngl i still kinda wanna lynch through the claim because "poe solve despite having 5 null reads" is still pissing me off