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[Black Ranger]

Lol it is kind of funny how he used the same term.

Who copied what from you exactly?

Bob copied Umlaut some 70 posts later. See the umlaut post that quotes the osuka post.

[Black Ranger]

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

I don't buy this at all[/quote]

Is this a sole reason to scumread someone?

[Black Ranger]

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

I don't buy this at all

Is this a sole reason to scumread someone? EBWOP

[Black Ranger]

I'd want Drew over Bob over Cakez but I also have zero desire to engage the Drew slot

Just putting that out there before I do this

VOTE: Drew

[bob3141]

only copied the common analogy. Should be clear my rread on him swapped when i swapped my vote. His reaction felt although bad. It did feel that it came from the angel you see smoetimes where a player forms a scum read as a reaction to just being scum read. Faling for teh logical fallacy of them knowing they are town and thus think all players that scum read them as being scummy. Rather than just being uninformed.

If any one is scum reading me for that then they realy do have shallow reads. As it doesnt warrant a scum read. Ask you self is it even something that is even alignment indicative. 88 times out of 100 its just a sign the player was being lazy and copping out of doing their own analogy

[bob3141]

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

What were you saying then?

I mean he kind of was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

So are you saying some wanting to lynch you and thus end the day is scummy?


I must say so far you have not pinged me like the last game i had with you. That game you were my number one day one town read. This game im certainly not getting that.

Yeah cuz what's the town motivation for it?

Are you saying that town would not be motivated to lynch someone they think is scum?

And that it is not a townie thing to want to try and lynch scum. Really.

As so far, you have not given a single reason as to why the fact that Ranger wants your lynch leads to the conclusion that he is scum. In effect your scum read is nothing more tha omgus Ranger scum reads me thus he is scum.

In fact you have yet to give a any reason as to why you think he is scum. At most i can see you saying his post on pg 2 were bad. But nothing about what you foudn bad about them.

Again what about Rangers scum read of you do you claim to think isnt genuinely held. as even if you are town wouldnt you be trying to figure out if he is town wrongly scum reading you or scum faking a scum read on you

[Nahdia]

mmmm drew's ISO has a lot of ?'s though there is some followup at least. didnt like them accusing umlaut of slipping.

drew do you have any updated thoughts on umlaut's slot or are you content on this deathtunnel?

[SirCakez]

i don't want to argue, i just want to know what u're thinking

having the conf town declare what the right wagons are will not be useful to me tomorrow

having the conf town walk me through a 100% town thought process will

I feel those three wagons are most likely to hit scum. Most of the suspicions are T v T. BR, osaka, nahdia, and fro all feel town.

Bob v Cakez feels fake. Drew feels like an instigator. I doubt all of these are scum. The way people vote will set up associatives.

Last I checked the leading wagon was still fwog. If you want to move people off of it, making some kind of case that he's town seems like a good idea.

Wake's absence is also concerning
He was a lot more active as town in the Mini I played with him recently

Do you think that the IRL issues he's cited are an inadequate explanation?

I didn't realize he had IRL issues.
But then he came in and claimed he's playing a "minimalist style"? That seems to not fit with his IRL issues.

cakez, when you said you felt like i was town you hedged by saying your meta is really old so therefore maybe invalid. is there anything specific from my townplay that you were thinking of there? also would like to hear more on your fwog thoughts actually. like, i see you basically quoting a few posts and shading them and i dont necessarily disagree but i need some INSIGHT to your thought process here.

I seem to remember you playing more casually and caring less as town, which you are living up to here. Less concern about how people view you.
My fwog read is pretty stale tbh. I will review and come back to you.

[SirCakez]

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

I don't buy this at all

Is this a sole reason to scumread someone? EBWOP

No I SR fwog for other stuff.

[SirCakez]

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

What were you saying then?

I mean he kind of was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

So are you saying some wanting to lynch you and thus end the day is scummy?


I must say so far you have not pinged me like the last game i had with you. That game you were my number one day one town read. This game im certainly not getting that.

Yeah cuz what's the town motivation for it?

Are you saying that town would not be motivated to lynch someone they think is scum?

And that it is not a townie thing to want to try and lynch scum. Really.

As so far, you have not given a single reason as to why the fact that Ranger wants your lynch leads to the conclusion that he is scum. In effect your scum read is nothing more tha omgus Ranger scum reads me thus he is scum.

In fact you have yet to give a any reason as to why you think he is scum. At most i can see you saying his post on pg 2 were bad. But nothing about what you foudn bad about them.

Again what about Rangers scum read of you do you claim to think isnt genuinely held. as even if you are town wouldnt you be trying to figure out if he is town wrongly scum reading you or scum faking a scum read on you

I assume you mean Norwegian here?
You're misrepping me reallly bad by saying that I'm SRing Norwegian for trying to lynch me. I'm SRing that because he's trying to end the day early by lynching me when we still have time left.
I have talked about Black Ranger more than just page 2. I find his tone and posts to be very overworked and fake-sounding, this started from that ridiculous over-aggression he had early on.

[SirCakez]

Now I remember why I've been SRing fwog all game. He keeps making waffly, useless active posts like these below;

fwogcarf

but i think i got what i wanted.

VOTE: fwogcarf


Have you not got any views on anything else. Why does everythign you could comment on only be about osuka vs bob ?

Because nothing else has happened this game worth commenting on.

Really interesting to see multiple votes on me without explanation

anyway going to analyze stuff

Or when he does talk about people it's very waffly and noncommital

@fwo Don't worry about proving yourself. Go forth with confidence. Act as if there's no wagon on you. You can do this. Tell me your current theory.

Osuka and Bob certaintly isn't SvS (Scum v Scum). I don't see two wolves attacking each other like they did and might continue doing. I can see them both being scum, and I'll present these points with refreshed information from other people.

Osuka's tone is horrible and a good reason to scumread for. He taunts Bob for half the time while also giving out points that i can somewhat agree with. But like I said before, his attitude of "I'm better than you, so agree with my points" is worse than Bob's own anger imo.

Bob's rushing to answer is NAI. He also brings some valid points, but he brings his anger out on everybody else after the main event of the argument ended, which I can see a wolf doing out of pure frustration.

Regarding other players, Nahdia is meh, Cakez and Drew are reachy, and Umlaut is fine

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Is there much behind this "meh" read?

not really but i have nothing else at this point

And I dislike his Nahdia push.

[bob3141]

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

What were you saying then?

I mean he kind of was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

So are you saying some wanting to lynch you and thus end the day is scummy?


I must say so far you have not pinged me like the last game i had with you. That game you were my number one day one town read. This game im certainly not getting that.

Yeah cuz what's the town motivation for it?

Are you saying that town would not be motivated to lynch someone they think is scum?

And that it is not a townie thing to want to try and lynch scum. Really.

As so far, you have not given a single reason as to why the fact that Ranger wants your lynch leads to the conclusion that he is scum. In effect your scum read is nothing more tha omgus Ranger scum reads me thus he is scum.

In fact you have yet to give a any reason as to why you think he is scum. At most i can see you saying his post on pg 2 were bad. But nothing about what you foudn bad about them.

Again what about Rangers scum read of you do you claim to think isnt genuinely held. as even if you are town wouldnt you be trying to figure out if he is town wrongly scum reading you or scum faking a scum read on you

I assume you mean Norwegian here?
You're misrepping me reallly bad by saying that I'm SRing Norwegian for trying to lynch me. I'm SRing that because he's trying to end the day early by lynching me when we still have time left.
I have talked about Black Ranger more than just page 2. I find his tone and posts to be very overworked and fake-sounding, this started from that ridiculous over-aggression he had early on.

i was talking about both but i do think i got bit mixed up when writing the posts. The first half was intented to be about nord and the later about ranger.


So you say its not because of the fact that he wants to lynch you but becuase he wants to end it now. ok. But still your really just splitting hairs here as it all still comes down to you pushign a player for wantign your lynch. What real difference does it make if he wants you today or tommorrow. It migth have been half way day one and although i do think thats to early to end the day. I dont see it as valid reason to scum read some alone. As unless you have meta on nord saying that he always waits until the last minute as town. I cant see that alone being enough to back up the validity of your scum read on him. As i would expect that you would have to find something significantly wrong with his scum read towards you. To think the fact that nord is happy to end the day with your lynch rather than wait a few more days to be a significant enough to form a scum read around it. But all i can find is you saying he misrepped one of your posts with no follow up on it. Everythign else you were on the defensive

So what in his read of you is significant enough to warrant such scum read when combined with him being happy to end teh day now with your lynch. What makes you think he isnt town happy he has found scum. As for you to conclude teh time issue means scum. There must be something. and i would of expected you to be pushign him over it.


Barely any more about Black ranger than that one post. Below is teh only other two posts i found a reference to ranger in that you were not either responding too or making fluff post.

"Still SRing Black Ranger. Nahdia asked why? Because his page 1/2 content looked like scum trying to get posts in as "content"" 137
"Black Ranger's posts read really overwrought. like they're trying to make sure everything looks right. I dislike it." 211

So far from this posts here you have only extented you read on him to add over-agressive.

What do you make of his reads? On other players reads of him?
What do you think is his scum motivation for any push or town read he may have pushed?

Your read on ranger is really shallow and amounts to two-three lines.

[Titus]

Your read on ranger is really shallow and amounts to two-three lines.

Volume =/= Depth

[Umlaut]

Felt like Umlaut talking Norwegian out of a Cakez tunnel was a good post. Osuka nailed it pg16 in his commentary on the Umlautposting.

Wait, when did I do this? The only thing I can think is that maybe you're thinking of 380 where I tried to talk fwog out of a Nahdia tunnel, but what I did with Norwegian was point out that he was holding an incoherent position (wanting to end the day while also apparently having very unsettled reads), and vote him for it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What a dumb reason to vote someone.

[Umlaut]

Oh hey, you think my reason for voting you is dumb, guess I'd better change it then

[NorwegianboyEE]

Good lad.

[SirCakez]

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

What were you saying then?

I mean he kind of was
"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

So are you saying some wanting to lynch you and thus end the day is scummy?


I must say so far you have not pinged me like the last game i had with you. That game you were my number one day one town read. This game im certainly not getting that.

Yeah cuz what's the town motivation for it?

Are you saying that town would not be motivated to lynch someone they think is scum?

And that it is not a townie thing to want to try and lynch scum. Really.

As so far, you have not given a single reason as to why the fact that Ranger wants your lynch leads to the conclusion that he is scum. In effect your scum read is nothing more tha omgus Ranger scum reads me thus he is scum.

In fact you have yet to give a any reason as to why you think he is scum. At most i can see you saying his post on pg 2 were bad. But nothing about what you foudn bad about them.

Again what about Rangers scum read of you do you claim to think isnt genuinely held. as even if you are town wouldnt you be trying to figure out if he is town wrongly scum reading you or scum faking a scum read on you

I assume you mean Norwegian here?
You're misrepping me reallly bad by saying that I'm SRing Norwegian for trying to lynch me. I'm SRing that because he's trying to end the day early by lynching me when we still have time left.
I have talked about Black Ranger more than just page 2. I find his tone and posts to be very overworked and fake-sounding, this started from that ridiculous over-aggression he had early on.

i was talking about both but i do think i got bit mixed up when writing the posts. The first half was intented to be about nord and the later about ranger.


So you say its not because of the fact that he wants to lynch you but becuase he wants to end it now. ok. But still your really just splitting hairs here as it all still comes down to you pushign a player for wantign your lynch. What real difference does it make if he wants you today or tommorrow. It migth have been half way day one and although i do think thats to early to end the day. I dont see it as valid reason to scum read some alone. As unless you have meta on nord saying that he always waits until the last minute as town. I cant see that alone being enough to back up the validity of your scum read on him. As i would expect that you would have to find something significantly wrong with his scum read towards you. To think the fact that nord is happy to end the day with your lynch rather than wait a few more days to be a significant enough to form a scum read around it. But all i can find is you saying he misrepped one of your posts with no follow up on it. Everythign else you were on the defensive

So what in his read of you is significant enough to warrant such scum read when combined with him being happy to end teh day now with your lynch. What makes you think he isnt town happy he has found scum. As for you to conclude teh time issue means scum. There must be something. and i would of expected you to be pushign him over it.


Barely any more about Black ranger than that one post. Below is teh only other two posts i found a reference to ranger in that you were not either responding too or making fluff post.

"Still SRing Black Ranger. Nahdia asked why? Because his page 1/2 content looked like scum trying to get posts in as "content"" 137
"Black Ranger's posts read really overwrought. like they're trying to make sure everything looks right. I dislike it." 211

So far from this posts here you have only extented you read on him to add over-agressive.

What do you make of his reads? On other players reads of him?
What do you think is his scum motivation for any push or town read he may have pushed?

Your read on ranger is really shallow and amounts to two-three lines.

On Nord - my SR there is pretty weak and only evidenced by that push to end the day we've been discussing. I have other much stronger SRs and I'm not sure why you think my SR on that post = a super strong SR on Nord. I've called one post of his and you're acting like I'm deathtunneling him.
On BR - I don't like getting into things like motivations for certain pushes until we have flips. I'm reading him off tone here. And I always play like this, none of my reads are ever super fleshed out or detailed.

I also don't want to get into some huge wall war with you like you did with osuka earlier.

[gobbledygook]

VC 1.9

Fenraiser
osuka
NorwegianBoyEE (1) - Umlaut
ManateeDude
Black Ranger
bob3141 (2) - osuka, fenraiser
Wake88
fwogcarf (3) - Nahdia, bob3141, SirCakez
Umlaut (1) - Drew-STA
Titus
Drew-Sta (1) - Black Ranger
CantLynchAPuppy
SirCakez (3) - NorwegianBoyEE, ManateeDude, CantLynchAPuppy
Nahdia (1) - Fwogcarf

Not Voting

(2) - Wake88, Titus

With 14 alive, it takes 8 to remove someone from the town.

Deadline

: (expired on 2020-06-09 12:00:00)
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[fwogcarf]

Nahdia has sort of recovered but they're not coming off my radar yet

[fwogcarf]

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

I don't buy this at all

Is this a sole reason to scumread someone? EBWOP

No I SR fwog for other stuff.

What are they

[fwogcarf]

Now I remember why I've been SRing fwog all game. He keeps making waffly, useless active posts like these below;

fwogcarf

but i think i got what i wanted.

VOTE: fwogcarf


Have you not got any views on anything else. Why does everythign you could comment on only be about osuka vs bob ?

Because nothing else has happened this game worth commenting on.

Really interesting to see multiple votes on me without explanation

anyway going to analyze stuff

Or when he does talk about people it's very waffly and noncommital

@fwo Don't worry about proving yourself. Go forth with confidence. Act as if there's no wagon on you. You can do this. Tell me your current theory.

Osuka and Bob certaintly isn't SvS (Scum v Scum). I don't see two wolves attacking each other like they did and might continue doing. I can see them both being scum, and I'll present these points with refreshed information from other people.

Osuka's tone is horrible and a good reason to scumread for. He taunts Bob for half the time while also giving out points that i can somewhat agree with. But like I said before, his attitude of "I'm better than you, so agree with my points" is worse than Bob's own anger imo.

Bob's rushing to answer is NAI. He also brings some valid points, but he brings his anger out on everybody else after the main event of the argument ended, which I can see a wolf doing out of pure frustration.

Regarding other players, Nahdia is meh, Cakez and Drew are reachy, and Umlaut is fine

The very first response Nahdia...

That's something I never see town say. Just dismissing the fact that you've been discovered skimming through the entire conversation with a comment like that will turn heads, especially mine. The naked vote was a reaction test, and I believe it paid off. I'm keeping my vote where it is.

Is there much behind this "meh" read?

not really but i have nothing else at this point

And I dislike his Nahdia push.

Huh

[Nahdia]

hey norway can u elaborate ur mindset on 369? specifically with regards to sayin u want to end day 1 discussion.

[Drew-Sta]

Catching up, then I've got some views.

Haven't caught up yet. I've been coming down with something that's starting to look a bit worse than short-term. I'm on a lot of medicine and don't have the energy to keep up with a mafia game at the moment. I'm going to replace out, I just want to post part 2 of my earlier post. Reason for withholding at the time was to watch how the wagon developed. Use it as you will. This hasn't been updated since I made that post.

(2) fwogcarf

I have been watching how people interact with fwogcarf ever since the exchange he had with Nahdia between 98 and 115. I figured a wagon would build on fwog because of it and wanted to watch so that we can get the game properly out of RVS before giving my piece on this. The way I read the scumreads on fwog are basically that players don't understand the way he operates. He literally doesn't give a fuck about the early parts of day 1. I played with town!fwog in Newbie 2001 and it took him several hundred posts to even start trying. This answers back Cakez not liking his dismissiveness of Nahdia's early scumread (137). When he does actually play, he overemphasizes finding scum and underutilizes finding town - causing the same problems I try to avoid with my change in play - and his desire to pinpoint the exact scumteam leads him to use associatives far too early. Throughout Newbie 2001 he both made hard associative reads Day 1, sometimes assuming theater like he has in this game, and hard tunneled while refusing to consider other options. A quick skim of his iso in that game will show that he dismisses things he doesn't think are worth talking about early, which includes most things, and should answer back Nahdia and bob's reasons for voting him. What's more interesting is Ranger's naked vote.

So you're making a meta read based on one game? I just want to be clear here on what you're proposing.

But you can use the flamethrower.

lol i'm putting my vote back where my slot had it in the first place

VOTE: Black Ranger

Why? This makes me nervous given the:

a. lack of analysis suggesting your read
b. 395 (and, again, no information whatsoever in your vote for why you read them scum)

I uh mixed up drew and nor when @ing in the last section of 281. Oh my god lol. Drew just used my name when he was actually talking about fwog. Not relevant really but just a point I wanted to make.

@Drew

How do you think the lucky story should be interpreted.

I talked about fwog? Confused.

Interpretation should be same as RVS. Shitkicking at game start. Which is why Umluat's desire to distance themselves triggered me as a scum being nervous on something they've engaged with and wanting to push it away.

@Drew regarding Umlaut

Your take has always been interesting to me when I first read it but I didn't know what to think of it back then. My first impression of Umlaut was that he would be hard to read due to me misreading his tone at first.

I've never seen Umlaut as nervous in this game,

especially in engaging something so seemingly harmless like the story. His light-hearted tone conflicts with any nervousness tbh so I don't really think I can see it that way. Also, some people may view RvS situations as more AI compared to how you view them and it may be a thing here but idk. Reading this, do you still see Umlaut the same way?

The bolded is what I'm seeing. That nervousness speaks only to scum tell or PR. I am unable to distinguish which of the two it is.

there also some other arguments with my slot about townhunting being not just bad but "malicious". ok, my slot is scummy, malicious, does scummy things... does he ever come out and say he has a scumread? dude, kiss already!

Where are these arguments?

Okay, I found them by searching "malicious."

@BR

Going off from this, what do you think of Lucky's recent response?

I felt like he humored Drew too much with a giant post about why scumhunting is hard. Beyond that he gave a baseline of what I should expect from him and he's now married to that idea.

I think encouraging somebody to build a town bloc is pointless fluff and potentially malicious. A good way to build a bloc of townies is to lynch scum and realize it after the fact.

I agree that this looks like he's saying he scumreads your slot, but I'm not totally sure I'm reading it right.

@BR

Who is "encouraging somebody to build a town bloc" here?

i guess i liked the question more than the point itself. it's a good question, u can say u didn't like the story idea but u did contribute to it, u have to explain that before u can credibly call out anyone else on the story. not sure you're "rewriting" so much as just skipping over a step though

that drew noticed that and pointed it out makes him look more town not you scum

I wasn't trying to call anybody out on the story, I was trying to defend BR's callout as something that could come from town; maybe that's why I wasn't impressed with the point. But I suppose that whether it's exactly correct is kind of immaterial to reading Drew for the manner in which he pushed it.

After three posts of back-and-forth about it I subjectively felt Drew was insisting on that point beyond what was rational, but this is probably just because I know what I intended and I assume everyone should always take me at my word.

On bolded - the fact is you it's not me insisting on it. It's actually just there. I'm pressing you on it, sure, but that's what is done.

You've given no real rational answer to why you'd engage with something then flip on your own behaviour like that. The nervousness is something that I get pinged by, because it has basis in a reason. You don't act nervous unless you are nervous. And if you are nervous, why?

@drew na what i meant was that it was intended to try and sort lucky.

Ok. Thank you for clearing that up.

@Drew

Then why did you contribute to it?

You're effectively rewriting how something is to be read, and I don't believe that comes from a town place.

Could you walk me through this because I'm confused tbh. I don't get it.
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Regarding Lucky:

Lucky's attitude in post 199 resonates with me. Townhunting is also a valid way to scumhunt lol. But the explanation is so......long and could have been more concise imo. Emotion seems genuine here especially regarding Titus and he seems earnest because he's overdefending himself but he may be

too earnest

so I don't want to townread him so easily. Haven't seen the townhunting yet so not a good

luck

look overall.
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@Drew

Spoiler:

I've basically skimmed most of the game and it was hard for me to pick up anything. Guess it's all the new dudes i haven't played with, a lot of their words just sound like noise.

I noticed some people scumreading Black Ranger, why?
As for wagon on

Fenraiser

fwog. Most questionable thing i can find is his post 98. What do you mean? Who is the scum doing a "theater"?

Fixed that for you.

Re your request for a walk through.

Person A proposes we do something.
Person B engages with it.
Person C identifies what was being done was stupid and not meritorious for town.
Person B agrees with Person C, and suggests what Person A was doing was problematic.
Person D asks why they engaged with it, if that's how they felt.
Person B redefines how something should be interpreted, rather than allowing how it played out in the game to be the way it should be interprted.

That is rewriting how something should be interpreted. Which, IMHO, is not townbased behaviour.

Also,t he @Drew spoiler thing - what did you mean by that?

Re Lucky, I'm not debating whether town hunting is as valid as scum hunting. I'm arguing their desire to explain themselves seemed very anxious, which made me consider it unusual.

this is a bit weird and rubs me off the wrong way.

keeping in mind the fact that his point is that person B "redefined how something should be interpreted" (whatever that means), here's how the walkthrough went:

1. show some facts
2. show some interpretation of the facts
3. show the point he's trying to prove in the same format as he's been showing facts (!)
4. reiterate his point while pretending the above proves it (!!)

1,2,3,4 all distort what I'm doing. Nice work.



Do you not know what 'redefining how something should be interpreted as'?

It means you change how something is understood, for your own benefit. Which is what they did. Do you get that?

Now, let me ask you. Do you think that's from a town place?

I’m not really seeing that many convincing arguments yet and that’s probably why i can’t pay much attention to all that’s going on. I’m keeping my vote on Cakez and suggest we lynch there. But all in all i’d jusy like to end day 1 so discussion maybe will have more meaning to me.

This is the shittest of them all. Big ping. Getting to night is never in our best interest.

UNVOTE: Umlaut
VOTE: Norwee

You can demonstrate how good you find it by voting for Norwegian.

Horrible wagon

Why?

cakez youre kind of over exaggerating what norwee said acting as if hes proposing we quicklynch you

He is.

"I want to lynch cakez" + "I want to end the day"

No, you're just misrepping what i said.

No, they're not.

I'll admit to a little OMGUS but knowing I'm town the desire to do a lynch on me early reads very scummily

scumposting

Explain?

Three days to go and the wagon development feels really slow. Gotta zoom!

VOTE: SirCakez

Just because I have this slot as null and he seems like the biggest comparison to fwog, who I have as null/town

This is also a shit post. There is zero town equity in here. Your flip flop from BR (who I read as mildly town, despite his aggressive tone and inconsistency early on) to Cakez is even more notable given Norwee's apparent slip. You seem happy to distract and turn attention away from that slip to someone else and begin a wagon.

No town behaviour at all.

You can demonstrate how good you find it by voting for Norwegian.

Horrible wagon

Can I get a read list from you, excluding yourself and me?

hopefully people know what brackets are

{osuka, Norwegian, Puppy}
{Fenraiser, Manatee, BR, Wake, Umlaut, Cakez}
{bob, Drew}
{Nahdia}

I honestly don't. Please explain.

Let's lynch between bob, cakes and Drew.

/nods

i don't want to argue, i just want to know what u're thinking

having the conf town declare what the right wagons are will not be useful to me tomorrow

having the conf town walk me through a 100% town thought process will

I feel those three wagons are most likely to hit scum. Most of the suspicions are T v T. BR, osaka, nahdia, and fro all feel town.

Bob v Cakez feels fake. Drew feels like an instigator. I doubt all of these are scum. The way people vote will set up associatives.

I prefer 'spoon', as all I do is stir shit up and see what happens. But instigator works.

Out of bob, cakes and drew I’m lynching bob every single time here

Why?

It sounds slightly off, but he's posting exactly how he did in another match I just finished with him where he was town. I'm not seeing anything other than typical bob.

implying that lack of activity is always scummy isnt helpful bc theres a multitude of things that could lead to that, all which could be completely out of game. Remember even though we're in isolation some people are under mass amounts of pressure even if they aren't working simply bc this is such a stressful time. Anyways thats my rant I think we should engage wake more instead of using low-activity as a crutch to scumread them

Agree.

implying that lack of activity is always scummy isnt helpful bc theres a multitude of things that could lead to that, all which could be completely out of game. Remember even though we're in isolation some people are under mass amounts of pressure even if they aren't working simply bc this is such a stressful time. Anyways thats my rant I think we should engage wake more instead of using low-activity as a crutch to scumread them

For any individual slot, I agree. There's lurking scum too though.

For instance, where have you been? This is active lurking? Who do you want dead? What do you think of my lynchpool?

Logical inconsistency above is that scum is just lurking. In my experience, there is always a slow poster in scum teams, and the rest are medium to high level posters. In fact, I find the timing of when they interact more telling than their overall activity. Right now, you're applying baseline principles to the situation without scruitiny and I find that concerning as it can lead us down the wrong path.

Since you're the arbiter of neutrality here for us as town, it's important you consider this, as your say holds more weight to me and others (and rightly so) than anyone else.

Puppy might just be scum too.

Why?

kinda feel like ive forgotten how to play this game. not that i was ever any good as town to begin with.

i kee pwriting thoughts but then looking it back over and convincing myself of the opposite. so im just gonna ask questions and see where it gets me.

cakez, when you said you felt like i was town you hedged by saying your meta is really old so therefore maybe invalid. is there anything specific from my townplay that you were thinking of there? also would like to hear more on your fwog thoughts actually. like, i see you basically quoting a few posts and shading them and i dont necessarily disagree but i need some INSIGHT to your thought process here.

gonna go read over drew and bob. actually feel like titus narrowing the pool makes this game easier to approach in a way, which is nice. feels like less of a gargantuan task if im just looking at them.

The bolded pings me hard. It's a slot cop out and that to me is a 'brush off' tactic to try and push people away from concentration on them.

I'd want Drew over Bob over Cakez but I also have zero desire to engage the Drew slot

Just putting that out there before I do this

VOTE: Drew

You talk a big game then melt like ice on a hot Australian day when someone is happy to push back.

Swallow some cement and actually have a go.

mmmm drew's ISO has a lot of ?'s though there is some followup at least. didnt like them accusing umlaut of slipping.

drew do you have any updated thoughts on umlaut's slot or are you content on this deathtunnel?

I have found Umlaut more consistent but their nervousness has me worried. Their noting of Norwee's behaviour and pushing of that is excellent and I think what a town player would and should do. It's more telling that people haven't observed that and moved onto norwee for pressure, and that's made me think the norwee vote has merit since mafia would drive a wagon like that as what he posted is a clear easy push - at least to establish pressure if not to see where it goes.

It gives me confidence about Umlaut, in that case. I still think there's questions about their slot but we'll see how it develops.

Your read on ranger is really shallow and amounts to two-three lines.

Volume =/= Depth

Agreed.

[Drew-Sta]

At this point I don't think Titus' read list is developed enough. Is cakes, bob scum? I don't think so on bob. Not yet, anyway. Cakes appears far more wishy washy. I wouldn't be opposed to a closer look on them to see where it goes.

I'm conscious there's an element of self pres in my defence, which I can accept enjoys WIFOM scruitiny. I would rather look into norwee, Nadhia, Puppy and Fen first.

I do think Wake's slot needs to be resolved from a PoE perspective. Whilst activity =/= alignment, what I find is these slots confuse town and provide easy mislynches for scum. That to me is the problem of low posters - they prevent PoE and provide cover to scum to hide in.