Why Gun?? - Town Win

[Datisi]

since i'm town, there's at least one scum in mena/ico, mark my fucking words

VOTE: menalque
this is not a pocket

[Datisi]

HURT: datisi

Boom sucka

[Datisi]

a worthless bet that doesn't break site rules? sure.

[Datisi]

Sure, exactly that kind

Here’s how it goes:

I will 100% be spaffing my shot as soon as it becomes allowed. If you can guess who it will be on, you can choose who I try to shoot tomorrow

it feels very easy for you to cheat

but it's gonna be me, ain't it, lock that in now

[Datisi]

VOTE: bell

[Datisi]

what does that even *mean*

[Datisi]

Hi Datasi. Why did you vote my person.

who's that?

because you're scum

[Datisi]

silly bell, you can't vote for someone who isn't in this game!

[Datisi]

watch it melanque

[Datisi]

yes, that is why my vote is there.

pedit: was @mena

[Datisi]

there is an ISO button next to the post number

also the "discplay posts by user" at the bottom

[Datisi]

discplay

and this is a sign it is bed time.

[Datisi]

Bell is probably just actual scum yes?

yes, that is why my vote is there.

literally nobody's made a significant read while ive been itt and thats kinda icky to me

We’re pretty early for that, but also I am legit scumreading bell and I

think

datisi is too

???

triple, i'mma need you to elaborate how 3 full votes on someone in a 14 player game is town indicative for that person

pedit: i guess 4 but ya know

[Datisi]

4 votes on one person in a game where a lot of people haven't come itt yet is a lot.

- it was 3 when you said it
- 12 out of 14 people have spoken
- why is that +town for bell

[Datisi]

VOTE: NorweegianboyEE

My vote was serious. AMA.

Seems a little watchy.

What?

Watch and wait.

@umlaut
this strikes me as "wow look me i am solving i have reads wow how do you do fellow townies"

gaving typed that out i now see i could just say lamist but i prefer "how do you do fellow townies"

[Datisi]

umalut/mena/jjh/norwee/tweet/max town? (inb4 3 wolfs in there and i'm a fucking moron)

[Datisi]

"town?" means "i think there people are probably town but i'm not gonna pretend that i'm confident after 6 pages which were mostly shitposting"

[Datisi]

anyways that post from datisi has been the only thing that has pinged me since i got here so
VOTE: Datisi

mhm?

[Datisi]

Datisi and triple are town I think

[Datisi]

@mod i saw that

[Datisi]

also triple is probably town

as much as it hurts that she ignores me

[Datisi]

yeet

[Datisi]

anyways that post from datisi has been the only thing that has pinged me since i got here so
VOTE: Datisi

mhm?

i was hoping this would be a clear "elaborate"

[Datisi]

It's probably too early to be making associations but mena and datisi probably not w/w because they're interacted a lot and scumbuddies would probably be more careful while doing that. It links them together in a way.

oh you sweet summer child

[Datisi]

my avatar is not even an anime :/

[Datisi]

your vote on me implied you think i'm mafia, don't give me that shit lmao

[Datisi]

i feel like my natural response here should be to scumread triple but it is not

[Datisi]

it means 203 looks like a bad faith read but i don't think in my heart that it is

[Datisi]

you wanna go keiji

[Datisi]

i was... getting good vibes on you... why you gotta go an ruin them like that

[Datisi]

it feels lowkey easy but not too easy? like i'm one of the active posters so you can't be accused of pushing a lurker/lhf but also the "wow townreads so early? ... tmi" is such a bleh position to take? it rubs me the very wrong way

[Datisi]

ok dumb as fucc but i modded 2 games for scum!umlaut and he was generally more Tryhardy
also the game before this one i was scum (and umlaut was town) and if anyone were to ask me for my read of umalut in early game i would've given that response
and this game i kinda Feel that response

do you have feels on norwee yet?

[Datisi]

the hell is a maf crumb?

[Datisi]

i don't understand what a "mafia crumb" is or how you got it from that post?

i don't townread you
what is your opinion of your wagon exactly? i can't tell if posts like "38% chance" are meant to be jokes or not

[Datisi]

ok dumb as fucc but i modded 2 games for scum!umlaut and he was generally more Tryhardy
also the game before this one i was scum (and umlaut was town) and if anyone were to ask me for my read of umalut in early game i would've given that response
and this game i kinda Feel that response

do you have feels on norwee yet?

actually norwee was another read i didn't get. no major feelings on norwee from me.

i did just talk to alisae though, and e disagrees with this read saying it's bold for scum to post. i don't know! but i'd still like that norwee read!

~keiji

fun fact! when i woke up this morning i realized norwee is lowkey doing nothing and that i shouldn't be townleaning him! but since yesterday!me already added him to the list i thought might as well stay quiet about it for a second to see your reaction to it and/or to see how you read norwee

[Datisi]

Is it normal for datisi to stretch his reasoning this far?

sorry, what am i stretching?

[Datisi]

anyway

people i don't want shot (for now):
mena/triple/tweet/tipsy

people i don't want shot purely because i like them:
iconeum

people i kinda don't want shot but won't cry if they do eat a vig:
max/keiji/jjh/umalut

[Datisi]

bell, i still have no clue what you're talking about.

[Datisi]

fun fact! when i woke up this morning i realized norwee is lowkey doing nothing and that i shouldn't be townleaning him! but since yesterday!me already added him to the list i thought might as well stay quiet about it for a second to see your reaction to it and/or to see how you read norwee

no wait i remember now, it was a "if bell is scum, then norwee is town" train of thought

granted i'm not as confident on scum!bell as i'd like to make it out but ehhh

[Datisi]

what makes you want tipsy to not get shot, datisi?

i lowkey liked their interaction with me?

[Datisi]

I’ll say it differently,
Why are you reaching to create reads on people?

because i like having some sorta basis to work on, no matter how shaky it is? because i'm trying to solve the game?

like if you think i'm makign shit up, then stop throwing aimless shade and point out where you think i'm lying

[Datisi]

ok.

if you think i am baselessly making up reads in a way that makes me scum, point it out. if not, stop throwing shade.

[Datisi]

I’m trying to figure out what datisi is doing,

i am trying to read you????

like you're accusing me of being reachy, when i tell you to own up to it and point out WHERE, you're like "why?"

the fuck am i supposed to think

[Datisi]

do you think that i am being reachy in a scummy manner?

[Datisi]

ok

i am asking you to elaborate on that, i.e. explain where and why do you think i'm being reachy in a scummy way

[Datisi]

Based on our interactions.
You asked me to point out where you were lying, then asked me to point out where you were reaching and then asked me to point out how reaching made you mafia.



See your initial vote and explanation for reachiness.

except no?

like okay, lying and making things up is not interchangable in this context and i fucked up there. i'll give you that.

yes, i'm aking you to point out where you think i'm reaching. why is that weird? do you think me asking that is scummy? if so, why? yes, i'm asking you to back up your claim of "datisi is reaching in a scummy manner" with evidence of why you think so. why are you so confused at me asking you to elaborate on a read?

[Datisi]

nobody is stopping from shooting you, ico

did you read gaem

[Datisi]

do you think that i am being reachy in a scummy manner?

Tbh, kinda.

so i have actually read this 1v1 between you and datisi

it wouldn't hurt you to explain your stance

if you say datisi is reaching in a scummy fashion, you should easily be able to quote said posts where you are reading this

[Datisi]

i'm getting goosebumps from your 1v1 and i'm not sure which one of you is causing it

[Datisi]

ok but like
i said "this strikes me as"

like the fact your *actual* intention is allegedly different than what i thought you were doing there is not exactly relevant - what you *should* be asking yourself is something along the lines of "is it possible/likley that town!datisi got to this conclusion, or is it more likely this is scum!datisi doing a shitpush" etc

you can link posts like this:

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[post]146[/post]

pedit: town!mena is a gutread i can't explain better than "i've played a bajilion games with him and even tho my read on him is about ~random, i feel like he's town"

[Datisi]

norwee, you talk a lot of shit for someone who's holstering their shot, just saying

[Datisi]

@bell
so you're telling me
this post right here
post 146:

"town?" means "i think there people are probably town but i'm not gonna pretend that i'm confident after 6 pages which were mostly shitposting"

But pretending to be confident is how you get the game moving.

is a response to 136:

VOTE: NorweegianboyEE

My vote was serious. AMA.

Seems a little watchy.

What?

Watch and wait.

@umlaut
this strikes me as "wow look me i am solving i have reads wow how do you do fellow townies"

gaving typed that out i now see i could just say lamist but i prefer "how do you do fellow townies"

????????

i.e., that in 146, you were talking about your own read on norwee, and not my reads?

[Datisi]

and because i didn't respond to it, even tho it
(1) doesn't explain anything about *why* you're reading norwee the way you are (so it isn't actually what i need), and
(2) is very clearly implied to be a response to a different point of mine (given that that other post is literally quoted)

that makes me scummy?

[Datisi]

I think right now ur just town playing bad

ico, i was about to shoot bell, and this line right here is what is currently keeping him alive

talk to me

[Datisi]

I believe you’re blaming me for your own misunderstanding,

i am blaming you, correct, because if what you're saying is true, that post was formatted awfully and i take no blame in it

ok, here's the response: it's not about if you're confident on the read or not, it's about you posturing your way around having the read while not explaining anything and/or not attempting any sorta push or whatever

[Datisi]

HURT: NorweigianboyEE

how the fuck can you think norwee is scum here???

why?

hi ico do you think norwee is town? do you have any other Reads

[Datisi]

Because he shot me and in a game of prisoner’s dilliema it’s the correct choice.

ok

if you don't die, i will shoot you as well

hmmmmmmmmmmmm

was this serious?

[Datisi]

my god am i actually coming around to town!bell

[Datisi]

dragon might be pocketing me

[Datisi]

while i overall get good feels, there is a certain thing that worries me about it

i will keep you updated (and hope mena isn't fucking dead so he can help me out)

[Datisi]

hi mena what is goin thru your brain atm

[Datisi]

tldr on tipsy?

[Datisi]

Porkens sort of depends on if he fired after the 12hr period or not

he literally fucking fired at you

[Datisi]

Porkens sort of depends on if he fired after the 12hr period or not

he literally fucking fired at you

I meant if it was valid as a shot

I saw it while I was skimming through

it was 15 seconds after 11am

it's a valid shot

[Datisi]

Don't actually know if I want that shot anymore.

referring to tipsy or bell here?

[Datisi]

not yet

hi isis how you doin

[Datisi]

Porkens sort of depends on if he fired after the 12hr period or not

he literally fucking fired at you

I meant if it was valid as a shot

I saw it while I was skimming through

does porkens's shot being valid make him +town or +scum

[Datisi]

hmmmm i wanna shoot somebody

i was gonna shoot isis if she did *a thing* but she did not do *a thing* so now what

pedit: ex-fuccin-cuse me, i thought it was maybe some sorta "keeping to his word" thing

[Datisi]

you only said your read on him depends on whether his shot was valid or not, but you didn't say what goes in which direction

if i had to bet i'd bet valid shot = +scum

but i was able to come up with reasons for both sides (i.e., if his shot is valid, means he's keeping to his word, lolshooting, something something tstbs) so i had to ask

[Datisi]

is "says he will do something, then actually does it" not "keeping to his word", or am i failing at english again

something something tstbs

pedit: ...

[Datisi]

becasue we're havign such a chill moment and you gotta start sorting associtaes for scum!me for ??? reasons

- post 1: i will shoot in 12 hours
- post 2, 12 hours later: *shoots*
am i missing something here

[Datisi]

becasue we're havign such a chill moment and you gotta start sorting associtaes for scum!me for ??? reasons

...why would you not expect this from me after last game?

Why do you think I was wrong on you there btw?

not saying i didn't expect it necessarily
but it's a downer for some reason, like the "ye i think you're town, but IF YOU'RE SCUM--" completely unprompted while we're jamming reads

actually now that i type it out it makes me wonder if you're trying to avoid me having the same paranoia you were having last game of "datisi isn't calling me scum at all, might be pocketing me"

and you were wrong because i was pocketing you the whole game and was trying to play up my recent town meta that you're familiar with? like idk what you expect me to say here

[Datisi]

becasue we're havign such a chill moment and you gotta start sorting associtaes for scum!me for ??? reasons

...why would you not expect this from me after last game?

Why do you think I was wrong on you there btw?

not saying i didn't expect it necessarily
but it's a downer for some reason, like the "ye i think you're town, but IF YOU'RE SCUM--" completely unprompted while we're jamming reads

actually now that i type it out it makes me wonder if you're trying to avoid me having the same paranoia you were having last game of "datisi isn't calling me scum at all, might be pocketing me"

and you were wrong because i was pocketing you the whole game and was trying to play up my recent town meta that you're familiar with? like idk what you expect me to say here

(1) I don’t think me calling out the world where you’re scum has to interfere with us jamming unless you want it to?

(2) eh yeah, that is something I normally do as scum with for example skitter, but I only do it as scum because it’s something that happens naturally when I’m town because when I’m town I always have lingering paranoia (or nearly always)

(3) I just kinda wanted to know if you did what I thought you did or if there was something else you did on top go that

(1) i am SORRY for REACTING NEGATIVELY to people CALLING ME SCUM i will try NOT TO

(2) i off the top of my head cannot remember seeing you say things like that but i don't know if i care enough right now to do digging through games

(3) do you believe when i say that i have no fucking clue what you're saying here

[Datisi]

(1) can’t tell if you’re being serious or not?

(2) about you or about skitter? I may not always phrase it as “I think X is probably only scum with one of A, B, C” as that’s fairly new to you based on last game and a new working theory I have, but the generalised paranoia is normally there in any game with (skitter, pure boi) and I think you’re now probably in that group if you weren’t already

(3) I wanted to know if the reasons you thought you fooled me were the same reasons that I thought you fooled me. It was possible that you thought you’d fooled me for very different reasons than those that I thought I’d been fooled for. Is that clearer?

(1) i am, it's me bitching about people calling me scum in a game of mafia, because

HoW dOn'T yOu SeE i'M obvToWn

, i'll get over it

(2) ye, i was thinking of that phrasing, you're right there is always paranoia about those

also guessing the theory is "people i made sure to get some sorta negative interaction with in early but that i am not pushing?" if so... you're probably right, but i'm town so /shrug

(3) that is clearer, i just have no clue what rEaSoNs are we talking about here

[Datisi]

ok, now that that shot missed

@bell, can you make me a readslist? you've called a lot of people scum so far, are you serious about those? who are you townreading?

@ico: ...why?

[Datisi]

UNVOTE:
i don't like the vote as much anymore

[Datisi]

one two seven three

VOTE: norwegianboyee

[Datisi]

hmmmm i wanna shoot somebody

i was gonna shoot isis if she did *a thing* but she did not do *a thing* so now what

pedit: ex-fuccin-cuse me, i thought it was maybe some sorta "keeping to his word" thing

My post was pretty similar to my first post in Guns & Roses II though, which is even a similar setup. You need to rethink your methods Datisi. Have you not done any soul searching about how to play gun sets after Chaos is a Laddah?

i was actually thinking about Chaos is a Laddah and the "oh i'd open the game with a partner shot"

[Datisi]

isis i wanted to hear what your read on the dragon is don't do this to meeee

pedit: （・□・；）

[Datisi]

mena

am i insane for thinking that iconvbell in this game kinda reminds me of iconvmena in autumnal

[Datisi]

i wanted you to read dragon but i guess those two tasks aren't too different

[Datisi]

i am currently torn between

(a) shooting tipsy because they're currently at majority votes and it would move the game along
(b) shooting norwee because i don't townread them and i kinda vibe jjh's read there
(c) hero shooting dragon because of the slim chance that he might maybe sorta be scum and i'm paranoid and it would be funny

what do i do

[Datisi]

eh

HURT: tipsy

[Datisi]

how dare you assume i would take this game any less than 100% seriously smfh

[Datisi]

how did none out of 9 shots hit??

[Datisi]

but muh gambler's fallacy

[Datisi]

since i'm town, there's at least one scum in mena/ico, mark my fucking words

menaaaaaaaaaaa

[Datisi]

She used to blink but I had to flip her so she’d look the right way and now she doesn’t

i just saw her blink

are you trying to gaslight us you scum

[Datisi]

She used to blink but I had to flip her so she’d look the right way and now she doesn’t

i just saw her blink

are you trying to gaslight us you scum

Also cool, it doesn’t work on my phone for some reason? Is it like a single blink or multiple slow ones

weird, i don't think it works on my phone either?

it's one slow-ish blink

[Datisi]

Counterpoint: No its not

[Datisi]

norwee how do you not have a read on me yet

[Datisi]

what is your read on me, norwee?

[Datisi]

what is your read on me, norwee?

Null-ish.

you had a read on me very early last game

what is this

[Datisi]

because oftentimes people don't play on level zero thinking?

pedit: re643

[Datisi]

in my experience

fat yes

pedit: this is re mena

[Datisi]

What experience @dats?

Is this to do with the “chaos is a laddah” reference?

yes

viewtopic.php?f=156&t=82116

bugs and dann are scum
dann opens with a shot on bugs
shot hits
fast forward to 3p dats/dann/isis lylo

town lost

[Datisi]

I wish I was scum with haven rn, we’d be playing so well

Man i wish I was scum too. I wayyy perfer it over town and have a 4/4 winrate I have to upkeep! lol

this is a :/ post

[Datisi]

I wish I was scum with haven rn, we’d be playing so well

Man i wish I was scum too. I wayyy perfer it over town and have a 4/4 winrate I have to upkeep! lol

this is a :/ post

ok for some fucking reason i read Mena's post as saying "wish i was scum with morning" and it made no sense to me why haven would butt in like that

but Mena's post did not say morning

my bad carry on

[Datisi]

I wish I was scum with haven rn, we’d be playing so well

Man i wish I was scum too. I wayyy perfer it over town and have a 4/4 winrate I have to upkeep! lol

this is a :/ post

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/database/ ... 20Universe

you having or not having that winrate is not what was making it :/

but i misread anyway so

[Datisi]

now i'm wondering who mena thought tipsy was

[Datisi]

page 1 is usually a good choice

[Datisi]

VOTE: isis

[Datisi]

i disagree with the entirety of 782

Also pls spell my name right

VOTE: norwee

i'll think about this game in the morning

[Datisi]

me reading about tipsy accusing mena of pocketing me like



~

Datisi i wanna talk to you tomorrow

~

wait datisi's avatar is supposed to be sou? it looks nothing like sou

It’s Zelda, main playable character from the video game series “legend of Zelda” I believe

HURT: menalque

~

tweet still town

keiji is probably town but i can never shake paranoia off
@keiji talk to me about the norwee read pls

if i bother isoing everyone i'll make a readslist if people are interested but also maybe not

i was expecting a bloodbath and what did we get
double day?????
s m f h

wow this post is like 15% content
am i good at mafia yet

[Datisi]

keiji no your norwee read i was planning on tunnelling that so that i don't have to think about tipsy/mena don't do this to me

[Datisi]

VOTE: porkens

talk to me about this vote

[Datisi]

VOTE: porkens

talk to me about this vote

What in the 4 posts that porkens has made say town to you?

I could fairly interchangeably vote in porkens/norwee/tipsy atm

Maybe bell too but as a slight outlier

absolutely zero my dude

i'm just wondering why you're switching from >person you're scumreading and that is having according to you bad takes etc to >lollurker

Anyway, the thing I wanted to ask you is as the other person who tipsy is SRing do you think their take is +scum or just +terrible?

i was under the impression tipsy was lowkey townreading me?

[Datisi]

i'm just wondering why you're switching from >person you're scumreading and that is having according to you bad takes etc to >lollurker

Because I’m now less sure of scum Isis and MT has a point about where the motivation is for scum!tipsy to come in and push a shitcase that’s obviously moronic in order to defend Isis if they’re not partners when it just looks bad for them?

Also I don’t think they can be TRing you if I was chainsawing for you

Actually wait that’s hella inconsistent how can I simultaneously be chainsawing datisi and pocketing her?

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

i saw tipsy was kinda going from "dats towntold later and mena is pocketing them" to "keep chainsawing" to "maybe you are scum together" (might be out of order because i cbf to go back again)

[Datisi]

Anyway, the thing I wanted to ask you is as the other person who tipsy is SRing do you think their take is +scum or just +terrible?

if i said this feels like a loaded question with evil intentions, what would you tell me in response?

[Datisi]

i started rereading from page 33 in order to check something but once i made it to page 35 i realied i don't remember what i was tryign to check

anyway

no, i guess that's expected

is it the "inconsistency" that made you revote them?

[Datisi]

I could fairly interchangeably vote in porkens/norwee/tipsy atm

i think i am right about here too and i don't know how to feel about it

[Datisi]

do you have any new hot takes on who scumtisi's partners would be in this game?

[Datisi]

1000

[Datisi]

thank you!

hmm

aye ok

[Datisi]

i feel like Something is Very Wrong, but considering this is indeed a game of mafia with 3 scum alive, that doesn't tell me much

[Datisi]

Doesn’t really remind me of calendar when you were scum hydraing with ali

to be fair i sure fuckin hope not that game was an utter failure on my end

i can but it takes effort aaa

next time i ragequit this vidjagame (which will probably be in some ~5 minutes) i'll start working on it

[Datisi]

apologies to tweet and mena, your avatars are not animated because i'm using paint dot net

level-zero-thinking(tm) notes:
- jjh/norwee probably not s/s
- mena/(porkens/tipsy) probably not s/s
- mena/k&s likely same alignment
- ??? this is either very right or very wrong ???

[Datisi]

this is supposed to be "long"?

[Datisi]

eh, fair.

[Datisi]

where did you get your undertitle from btw? genuinely curious

me? i modded three secret hitler games during last marathon weekend (in february) and people liked them c':

[Datisi]

mena/k&s likely same alignment

Okay I’m defo interested in this one

ehh, i dunno
like your reads seem ~similar enough~ but also ~not identical~, and there's a weird ~sync~

- you accusing tipsy, keiji jumping in saying tipsy is reminding them of a scumgame
- them turning their read on me at the time you/me were townreading each other
- keiji scumreading norwee around the same time as me while you're keeping them in null
(i don't know if all of these happened in the order described, inb4 scum because i'm twisting events around)

i don't think this weird sync would be happening if you two were t/s (and if you were, i'd sooner bet on k&s!scum mena!town, but again i don't think it's likely)

[Datisi]

Shoot one of Keij/Mena maybe.
Idk if i trust Mena putting me on null whwn he scumread me hard last game. Feels kinda odd, like he’s setting up for my flip.

and also at the time i was thinking that, norwee made this post ^^ which made me kinda go !!!

what'd you think of the rest of my readslist?

[Datisi]

if i make a bigger image then it doesn't appear properly on my phone (so i assume if doesn't appear properly on others's phones) and i don't want to be shrinking the avatars :/

why does this make you wanna kill norwee less?

also i don't think i've noticed a link between you/morning? like i don't think you're s/s because i want to believe my reads aren't complete trash but i haven't noticed things that are + or -aligned

[Datisi]

Spoiler:

is this better

yeah, i am aware that you/morning are kinda Doing Things Together but it just doesn't?? strike me in a partner-y way?? and i don't mean just scumpartnery way, i mean if you flipped town i would probably go +town on keiji and sara, while i don't think it would do much for my morning read? (arguably this might be me being bad and not figuring out what each flips means for every other slot but rip)

i get that, but please keep in mind you're working on sample size of one

[Datisi]

it's not that i'm more confident on them, it's the fact that those reads are rather weak townreads

> umaut is lowkey townie because he reminds me of town!him and disreminds me of scum!him, and i don't hate his takes. do i think he's locktown out his scumrange? no.
> similarly with jjh, i liked his take on norwee, and that's about it?

like the fact itself that those two reads are weak/alienated is what is making me non-paranoid about them, because my gameview doesn't depend on town!umlaut or town!jjh

haven would've been a stronger/more secure townread yesterday but some of her takes, like wrt me/you are kinda ?:/? to me

and MT is being towny but since i have absolutely no idea about their scumrange or anything, ┐(´∀｀)┌

[Datisi]

VOTE: porkens

[Datisi]

Datisi why are you hard townreading Umlaut?

i am not? on a 0-100 scum-town scale, he's like 65-70 at most

also which part of me whining how my readslist looks wrong and incorrect gave you the impression i know what i'm doing

[Datisi]

honestly porkens is such LHF that I want to believe they're a ML

you see, me too

but i think i don't see vultures circling him

[Datisi]

i was unable to characterize my level of confidence because i needed another dimension to express my reads in, without knowing that i need it.

ye, they feel convenient, which is why they worry me!!

[Datisi]

too bad we don't have reliable vig shots and gotta do this the old fashioned way!!

[Datisi]

the more norwee speaks the more i want to kill him

the more i want to kill him the more i think he's town

help

[Datisi]

I think that probably all the scum is in (porkens, norwee, bell) or all the scum is in (umlaut, maxwell, jjh/tipsy)

Outside chance of isis in the second grouping

how did you get exactly these groups actually?

I just don’t particularly think porkens will flip scum at this point

why did you vote him half an hour earlier?

Inb4 datisi calls me scum for saying this

:/

[Datisi]

i don't understand most of porkens's takes

if one of me/isis are trying to pocket each other i think we're doing a pretty shit job

[Datisi]

if people feel storngly about things they can try to sway, i'm around until deadline

game hard ( ._.)

[Datisi]

if people feel storngly about things they can try to sway my vote*, i'm around until deadline

game hard ( ._.)

[Datisi]

don't make posts while still half asleep in bed, kids

isis, have you explained why you though k&s were more suspicious than me?

[Datisi]

you're not bad at mafia, isis D:

other than that, i don't think i get how your post is a response to mine

oh, that was "twice", and not a funny why to spell "likewise"

i was hoping you'd link them but i shall go iso digging (later)

[Datisi]

i don't scumread people for bad play

i don't have a right to speak in that department

[Datisi]

i understand why those people are null/scummy, i was under the impression you were saying: "the team is exactly pork/norwee/bell or umlaut/max/(jjh/tipsy)", and i'm very interested in how/why you're getting to full teams, and *exactly* those full teams (bc it looks like there's some 9000+IQ 5D chess partnerhunting going on there behind the scenes)

i hear what you mean about porkens, but my issue is that, usually with players that are unreadable/refusing to participate, if they're town, there's scum "circling" them in a sense and trying to make them viable for execution. and i'm kinda just... not seeing that here? (yes i know i'm saying this myself but) which lowkey worries me?

(also hint, if we don't attain majority by deadline, plurality is in effect, so dw about leading the vote away or whatever)

VOTE: umlaut

[Datisi]

I knew that this would worry you because I do this as scum too (oppose a miselim last minute to be on the right side of it)

actually, now that you mention it, 1202 lowkey gives me that feeling

pedit: nice timing. i'll read through that in a bit.

[Datisi]

I didn’t realise it was plurality, but in that’s also relevant to your second point — I wonder if scum aren’t as concerned about needing to add weight to porkens (if he is a miselim) because he’d go through without needing their support if he reaches a critical mass of town wanting to eliminate him, and that could account for the lack of vultures

fair and well, except i don't think anyone was pushing in his direction (other than isis with a naked vote that was reeking of "placeholder" with no attempts to push there) until i brought up the subject (and it seems like it's being actively pushed *away* from there now!)

like, "if he reaches a critical mass", except absolutely nobody was adding mass there? (unless you argument is that i am, but i mean before that...) i dunno. doesn't pacify me.

Datisi, do you think I’m out of my scumrange?

i don't think i do. should i be thinking that?

pedit: while that's perfectly possible, there's another issue with that. let's say porkens *is* a low hanging fruit. why is mafia not taking it? << insert another panicked rant about deepwolves here >>

[Datisi]

Well like, there seemed to be a fair number of people that I think are town happy to vote there: me, you, MT, isis, and I think haven said she was okay with it even if she was voting me at the time

was that before or after i started going there? and if we think those players are town, then that doesn't invalidate my argument i think

why are you not more paranoid of me then?

i don't know.

[Datisi]

VOTE: norwee
VOTE: porkens
VOTE: umlaut
VOTE: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[Datisi]

mena, how through did you think that post?

[Datisi]

i don't get how you can come to the conclusion haven is picking on scum that's in the blind spot for the rest of us when her strongest scumread is norwee who is currently also the leading wagon

but maybe i'm being nitpicky over unimportant shit

[Datisi]

i'd be lying if i said that i'm not slowly starting to feel that Menlaque Paranoia™ in my bones

but saying that now makes me sound disingenuous

big sad

[Datisi]

Menlaque

i don't know what the fuck happened here but this was not intentional, pls don't yell at me mena

[Datisi]

I actually totally missed it until now but now I see it and I hate it

Where’s the paranoia coming from, my positioning on the wagons?

1327 feels like kinda you're explaining to him why he's scum in a way that you're trying to get on his good side and explain yourself???

which as i'm typing it out kinda smells like bullshit but

tell me why it's bullshit

[Datisi]

seems like it, but i'd like to see mena respond to my post first

pedit: lovely timing!
yes i get that it just doesn't ~*~feel~*~ good faith fore some reason
idk maybe i'm just drunk and tired

does me bringing up such bullshit point worry you

ppedit: more posts, the first bit was @haven, second @mena

[Datisi]

yes i get that it just doesn't ~*~feel~*~ good faith fore some reason
idk maybe i'm just drunk and tired

does me bringing up such bullshit point worry you

Idk, okay? Why not?

And not really and I don’t know why

i don't know either!!

how can it not worry you
that is this scumtisi masterminding the final misexecute in gylo
when isis was planting seeds of doubt earlier

(also i imagine this discussion seems ridiculous to anyone outside looking in and that amuses me)

[Datisi]

"I'm paranoid of you. Doesn't that make you paranoid?"

"No, not particularly"

"Oh nO that just makes it worse!"

his made me laugh out loud

thank you morning tweet

[Datisi]

may actually lead to my reads on you being >average again

*cough* what do you mean """again""" *cough*

[Datisi]

idk the way mena is speaking here reminds me of like furret2/jk9++ when i was like "whoa this feels fake af" but then he was town
i wish i knew how to play this game

The Umlaut voters are like a list of townies

am i now a townie

ok that's all i cared about getting in in this day phase

pedit WHEN MENA
WHEN

[Datisi]

IN AUTUMNAL???

[Datisi]

YE YOU READ ME RIGHT IN AUTUMNAL GOOD JOB!!!

[Datisi]

(i see now that might be coming offf as mean

don't take it as enan
mean
ok
i'm sorry if i was mean)

[Datisi]

being a specatator doesnt count

[Datisi]

thank you isis!!

[Datisi]

you don't play
you don't put game on the line for the read
you don't feel the pressure of getting it right lest i make fun of you for it forever
it don't count

[Datisi]

I wanna say town somewhere else too but I’m not sure where it was now

you read me as town in just don't die

[Datisi]

But like I say, I’m pretty sure I can find you saying that you expect me to be able to read you really well in a game and idk why this has now become an issue for you to admit, especially as it’s a closed set of games that I’m referring to and not a claim I’m making on your current abilities or scumgame

i dunno
this started off as an attempt to read you and it turned into a dumbass meta discussion that everyone is gonna roll their eyes at
i can hear dragon calling me an idiot from the dead thread
i'm sorry i failed you ico

[Datisi]

this post said something else but in preview i saw mena saying he's upset and that is not the tone i had in mind when reading this conversation nor the tone i want this conversation to have for him so i'll stop now

[Datisi]

i'm sorry. i thought this was in good fun. i'll see ya'll tomorrow.

[Datisi]

ayyyy my only scumread flipped scum, nice

ok here is my thoughts:



i think porkens has to go. the fact that there was a counterwagon (for a bit) there - with players that i mostly think are town - but later on nobody was even trying to shift there even when i was pushing

if pork is scum:
we're on the right track, and the last scum is in max/umlaut/tipsy/isis, roughly around that order but also i'm not sure if it matters

if pork is town:
scum was saving him for later, The Towncore™ is infiltrated, time to reasses the whole game, the wagons, etc, etc

thoughts?

[Datisi]

I think I’m pretty much in the same spot as datisi, only idk if I see maxwell as much as the others. Dats?

i dunno, when looking at the norwee wagon, maxwell strikes me as the most likely bus vote (not including from umlaut who was pretty much forced to vote there)

though i'm not sure if pork/max make perfect sense, mainly the fact neither touched the umlaut wagon. though max's defense of umlaut *could* be posturing for what he thought was a wagon likely to go through, and later on he couldn't turn around once he saw that wagon in fact wasn't gonna go through...

i dunno, the day being so short means i'm mixing up the order of some events, and i'm not sure how much energy i wanna put into rereading when our current objective seems to be "porkens has to die" regardless of outcome.

[Datisi]

Day 1, VC 20

With 13 alive it takes 7 to execute.

norwegianboyee (7) -

jjh927, Tipsy, Keiji and Sara, Maxwell, Umlaut, Bell, TripleHaven

Umlaut (4) -

Isis, Menalque, Morning Tweet, Datisi

TripleHaven (1) -

Porkens

Keiji and Sara (1) -

Norwegianboyee

Not Voting (0)

-

pew pew pew

Deadline:

(expired on 2020-07-29 16:00:00)

Spoiler: Shots

Porkens	Menalque
NorwegianboyEE	Bell
Bell	NorwegianboyEE
Menalque	Tipsy
Tipsy	Menalque
jjh927	Norwegianboyee
Iconeum	Bell
Umlaut	Tipsy
Datisi	Tipsy
Morning Tweet	Tipsy
Isis	Iconeum
Maxwell	Porkens
TripleHaven	Menalque
Keiji and Sara	Isis

[/spoiler]

seems more likely than scum just not touching a perfectly good counterwagon?

Yeah, I'd say you're right. Scum was either busing or voting me

(or possibly both if you think I'm scum)

but at any rate not vanity-wagoning.

Actually shooting between me and those on my wagon is probably the right call today. If you think I'm town then good, you're right, don't shoot me, but if you need to see my flip before you're willing to scumhunt from my wagon then I get it (just let me get my shot off first please)

?

[Datisi]

if pork is scum:
we're on the right track, and the last scum is in max/umlaut/tipsy/isis, roughly around that order but also i'm not sure if it matters

if pork is town:
scum was saving him for later, The Towncore™ is infiltrated, time to reasses the whole game, the wagons, etc, etc

@keiji

i think we're either very right (pork is scum, we're on the right track, game is in easy mode etc etc) or very wrong (pork is town, extremely fucky shit has been going on yesterday, why didn't pork get lynched?) and killing him resolves that and tells us where we need to be looking imo

also he's kinda low info liability slot and i'm not saying policy lynch but also policy lynch

[Datisi]

With Maxwell, my strongest tr rn

how is maxwell your strongest townread???

[Datisi]

ugh you're right

but all the same I don't think zero scum were on the counterwagon to Norwegian.

maybe, maybe not

if i'm right in my theory that pork is scum, i think the second scum might've actually been bussing

maybe i'm just overpossessive of muh town motivated counterwagon

who knows ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Datisi]

With Maxwell, my strongest tr rn

how is maxwell your strongest townread???

A great deal of legitimate progression on reads

you gonna need to case this for me because i currently have him as the most likely bus vote so help me out here

[Datisi]

I mean I can argue that if I were busing I would do so with a bit more vigor than "I have no idea if they're scum or not and this is a naked survival vote," but everyone pretty much (correctly) ignores

pro se

"I would play differently as scum" arguments

and if i were forced to vote against my scumpartner, i would do so with more vigor as well

[Datisi]

actually idk if pork/max works but haha preflip

pedit: D:
why do you hate me isis

[Datisi]

who do you *do* think is scum, isis?

[Datisi]

who do you *do* think is scum, isis?

isis pls notice me :c

[Datisi]

i think if porks flips town i'm willing to entertain the idea of MT!scum

[Datisi]

[scum-self-meta] i don't kill bell last night as scum because he was townreading me, unless he had a super stronk scumread on my partner (and off the top of my head i can't remember him expressing super stronk scumreads, though i should probably go back and check) [/scum-self-meta]

[Datisi]

still not following. why is it apparently obvious jjh is objectively right kill?

because good player who got scum killed or smt

[Datisi]

Idk why umlaut wagon didn’t gain traction even from Norway when I know it was town originated?

I don't know why he wouldn't hop on umlaut if it was his partner, either, though. Might as well put some distance there, right? He seemingly just gave up which might have meant he was supposed to be sacrificed.

i think norwee seemed to give up on this game much before EoD. like that readslist was awful. which is again making me think that the reason he was unmotivated to play is *teammate not doing anything* which is again making me tunnel porkens ahhahahaa

[Datisi]

I've seen norwee stay highly motivated with teammates not doing anything. I take the opposite interpretation, he has a partner who is killing it, potentially a busser

is that fusion? because you earlier spoke about a game in which norwee was doing nothing in a team that was already doing nothing?

[Datisi]

Are there any serious objections to a pork shootout tomorrow? I feel like the slot needs to flip.

i have already set my alarm to make sure i'm here once our guns get loaded

[Datisi]

keiji

have you read what i posted

do you agreee with me why porkens must perish

[Datisi]

@keiji

i think we're either very right (pork is scum, we're on the right track, game is in easy mode etc etc) or very wrong (pork is town, extremely fucky shit has been going on yesterday, why didn't pork get lynched?) and killing him resolves that and tells us where we need to be looking imo

also he's kinda low info liability slot and i'm not saying policy lynch but also policy lynch

maybe i'm dumb, but i don't see there being much evidence for pork!scum other than he isn't playing? i thought that was why everyone chose norwee over him as well - pork didn't care/wasn't participating, while norwee had that bad readlist and was fluffing

although i wouldn't protest to a pork shoot, i guess

~keiji

p-edit: KEIJI WAS READING

keiji

do you remember in chain of command, how i said QQ is town on day 1? even though QQ was completely unreadable and refusing to participate and cooperate with us? because the wagon on him, the way the game was warping around him, just reeked of scum trying to grab that ez mislynch?

i feel the exact opposite here. even when pushed at porkens, nobody but the towny slots budge.

why doesn't the game want pork dead? why aren't the vultures circling him?

[Datisi]

kinda sorta. he kept roleplaying as an officer, saying shit like "respect the uniform" and "i have to ask you for your rank" or whatever (he was a lieutenant)

granted scum did have the secondary win condition and based on their roles they also knew they should get id of any officers asap

but i'm not sure how that invalidates my point here? for scum, QQ was a better elimination than other town due to high probability of being an officer, and town!porks is surely a better elimination than scum!norwee, no?

[Datisi]

i don't know

i can maybe go back and reread a bit of CoC to refresh my memory and help me make an informed decision here

or i can fall back to my second bullet point of policy vig

guess which one i'll do

[Datisi]

HURT: porkens

[Datisi]

why is the game so quiet :/

[Datisi]

Has anyone been shot yet?

nope.

[Datisi]

sigh.

[Datisi]

tipsy i thought you agreed with me that pork had to die

why you shoot umlaut

[Datisi]

tipsy i thought you agreed with me that pork had to die

why you shoot umlaut

i mean ill vote for him when the shooting is over. i did say i would rather use my own shot elsewhere tho. guess i literally jumped the gun a bit tho >_>

shot umlaut bc i felt pretty good about both wagons yday being scum since norway wasnt even on his CW :\ im not sure what it means now. you'd think if scum was pushing umlaut, norway would put himself on that wagon even just as a survivalism vote.

right, sorry i didn't remember you saying that

there is maybe info to exract from umlaut flipping town here but i don't know what it is yet

i might get back on it later

[Datisi]

I WARNED YOU ABOUT THE LACK OF VULTURES

I WARNED YOU BRO

[Datisi]

god i am deadass so proud of myself for getting pork read right haha

time to gamethrow by completely missing the third buddy

[Datisi]

but i'm not sure how that invalidates my point here? for scum, QQ was a better elimination than other town due to high probability of being an officer, and town!porks is surely a better elimination than scum!norwee, no?

This is truee, but at the same time if pork and norwee are both scum, you’d be assuming the other scum chose pork>norwee and tbh, I would choose norwee there

~keiji

if keiji is scum this is a lol post

i dunno about k&s being scum i've been townreading them the whole game :/

[Datisi]

Datisi townreading a hydra of players who are experts on controlling their own tone is not high on the list of things that make me question my own reads I'm sorry

i mean

it shouldn't be

[Datisi]

Think MT isn't the absolute worst follow-up if Tipsy flips but I'm not 100% after the Porkens flip
Might need some more thinking

i think tweet is town

she jumped on porkens when i first started pushing there and i kinda don't think that was a bus?

[Datisi]

oh damn

gg

[Datisi]

holy fuck

me/ico/mena all shared alignment

i didn't think this day would ever come

[Datisi]

Spoiler:

is this better

damn i had it and then i had to go vote umlaut like that!!

also yeah this playerlist was super pleasant and i enjoyed playing w like everyone here

i'm just sad dragon had to leave us so early

[Datisi]

that was mena i think

i'm bad at NKA

[Datisi]

@beeboy thank you a lot for modding!!

if you wanna make the game more chaotic/ridiculous, i'd maybe add a slight chance the gun backfires and kills the shooter
otherwise i think the setup is okay? maybe up the odds of the shot hitting a little bit