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[NorwegianboyEE]

what I don't understand is why people think with 4 days left that we're definitely carrying these votes to the end of D2.

What makes you think that? I highly doubt a lynch on anyone else is going to happen.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or wait, maybe i misunderstood what you were trying to say there. You're pretty confusing sometimes.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What's y'all's reasoning for not including Jackel in the elimination pool anymore?

I've still got them in my elimination pool. But wouldn't mind hearing what other people have to say regarding them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So if they breathe they will be qualified to rise above the bar?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Porkens isn’t solving the game either. In fact, everyone scumreading me except maybe Redtea. And Jackel seemingly struggling with why i’d kill Joey. ...Have no real reasoning behind their read on me. And don’r bring up much more thought than: "i’m going to base all my reads on Norwegian being scum, instead of genuinely considering or explaining why the people half the game read as scum are likely town".
So Porkens/Starbuck comes out worst in that regard.

[NorwegianboyEE]

androgybee (3): redtea, Starbuck, Porkens

Well i’m not touching that wagon with a 2 foot pole.
I’m also feeling it’s really scummy how Porkens is complaining about "cliques". It feels very much like frustrated scum lashing out at a game he thinks he is going to lose.

Let’s leave Androgybee alive for today. But if they "hesitate" to confirm their role in ELO assuming we mislynch today, they should be eliminated.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Starbuck haven’t pushed anyone i’ve scumread except NDMath, but they are confirmed town.
So that’s another reason why i don’t really like em.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jackel/Stabuck/Porkens just works as a scumteam. None of them have really pushed each other. And they TR each other for bad reasons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not to mention, they all have come up with contrived and bad reasons to vote town. It’s the good ol scum gang.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Porkens

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Porkens

E-2

[NorwegianboyEE]

our claim probably needs to be resolved today, so please hold our feet to the fire on that. dont end the day before we've elaborated.

I don't think you need to claim today tbh. At least i don't care. But if we miseliminate then you hydra should claim in ELO.

[NorwegianboyEE]

IT JUST WORKS!

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel so hyped at the prospect of lynching scum!Porkens holy-freaking-CRAP!

[NorwegianboyEE]

(ꀄꀾꀄ) Might be my preconceived bias speaking but starbuck's post on androbee looked like "casing for the sake of a case". Claim aside I didn't feel it was very convincing. Porkens is also not even trying to look town at this point.

(^3^)

[NorwegianboyEE]

So according to Porkens we live in some kind of magical alternate dimension where all scummy players are town and suck at everything they do, while the awesome looking town players that are trying to solve the game are scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Goodness, for folks complaining about inactivity, y'all add a lot of pages. Activity Overview has Banana closing in on 300 posts in Day 2 and NEE at 205. Are you a Auro alt or something? JFC.

I often hear scum complain post-game about games where town generates a lot of content as making it harder for them to keep up and look town. Thought you might find that interesting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Porkens, why is catboi scum? Your only points so far is: "They asked for a vig to claim + accused you of no longer trying to look town"

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you don't want to answer why they're scum i'm going to towncase Catboi later. Just to make sure your lynch happens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

why don't we all compromise on nee tbh

In what world am i the compromise here? And why are your reads so bad? Are you going to play the game for real and come up with decent arguments, or keep up this Porkens-style push of not even explaining why your main scumread actually is scum, and with which teammates, and why scum!me supposedly kill town who hard TR me. (Joey)

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Pork/Jackel are town we deserve to lose tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

the rest of those are town.

Ok, why?
(I know you’re going to ignore this question like all the others, but i live in the faint hope that one day... maybe you will explain your reads)

[NorwegianboyEE]

I want to veto mass claim today

As in, you’re against a mass claim today?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And when did you become president/governor.

All those TR’s went to his head and he went from lvl 1 crook to a lvl 100 mafia boss.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh i probably would be a lot more worried about having been buddied by any of Catboi/Dumb and Dumber or co if Porkens, Jackel and Starbuck didn’t look so damn scummy to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I approve of a mass claim on the prospect of being able to use setup spec to solve. Because we're on a deadlock otherwise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Banana, want me to claim first?

[NorwegianboyEE]

We can just lynch Porkens too, but it's like there's not much to talk about otherwise. Porkens is very uncooperative so not much can be dragged out of him conventionally.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My role isn't super powerful so i don't mind claiming it now.

I've got one of the powers the saintess had.

I'm the

Cleric

. I can use atonement and decrease the corruption of a player i target at night by 1 point.

Night 1 i targeted Catboi.

That's it really.
But i crumbed my role in one of the first posts i had in the game. (13)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bell popcorn to you, since you're here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Priest of corruption.

That name sounds kinda scummy LOL.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My role isn't super powerful so i don't mind claiming it now.

I've got one of the powers the saintess had.

I'm the

Cleric

. I can use atonement and decrease the corruption of a player i target at night by 1 point.

Night 1 i targeted Catboi.

That's it really.
But i crumbed my role in one of the first posts i had in the game. (13)

Why didn't you target Porkens?

Why would i target Porkens?

[NorwegianboyEE]

They hammered a town player and therefore received corruption.

Oh, i completely failed to notice that.
Didn't know those that hammer town would get corruption.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also, why Catboi of all people?

I just chose someone i TR. I would have picked you if you didn't need to get your corruption increased to place a vote.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's a good strat though, i can target whoever hammers if the flip turns out to be town. Assuming scum doesn't have role to interfere it can confirm my role works as advertised.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Question, do you have any abilities that use 2 corruption but you’ll die the next night if you use it?
Because i might be able to counter that ill effect.

Norwee, can you expand on this now? The "use 2 corruption but you'll die the next night if you use it?" question seemed pretty specific for someone who just lowers 1 corruption

You had seemingly 1 corruption at that point. So i asked in case you had a super good ability that could be used for 2 corruption points, but i could hinder you from dying by targeting you that night.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cleric

- Norwee (Decrease corruption by 1)

Priest of Corruption

- Bell (increase corruption by 1 with loud modifier)

E.H.

- Banana (Self-harm 1 corruption to increase day time by 24 hours, negative utility at 0 corruption.)
(

KIA

) S_S -

Saintess

(Mod confirmed role, Jack of all trades)

Jackel

- VT
(

KIA

)

NDMath

- VT
(

KIA

)

Joey_

- VT

[NorwegianboyEE]

I had to clean that up a bit. I love making charts and lists much more clear, beautiful and easy to understand.

[NorwegianboyEE]

we're not an IC.

we're a suicidal role.

So when you said earlier you could: "confirm your role" you meant you just die?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can be a treestump forever Banana. What a deal!

What's the name of your role Androgybee?

[NorwegianboyEE]

That would have been a nice combo with the saintass.

It's technically a good combo with you too, you could just target yourself over and over and the fruit doesn't harm anyone else

So fundamentally broken setup or is someone lying about their role? Which is more likely?

[NorwegianboyEE]

uh, is there some reason to be claiming role names?

Yes. There most definitely is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If a name sounds fake or unlikely to be a part of the setup it can prove it was made up or changed from it's original name. (Which is scum indicative)

[NorwegianboyEE]

i refuse.

VOTE: Androgybee

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cleric

- Norwee (Decrease corruption by 1)

Priest of Corruption

- Bell (increase corruption by 1 with loud modifier)

E.H.

- Banana (Self-harm 1 corruption to increase day time by 24 hours, Can't place votes at 0 corruption.)
(

KIA

) S_S -

Saintess

(Mod confirmed role, Jack of all trades)

[Unknown name]

androgybee (Self-destructing purification role thing...?)

Jackel

- VT
(

KIA

)

NDMath

- VT
(

KIA

)

Joey_

- VT

Not claimed:
- Dumb and Dumber
- redtea
- catboi
- starbuck
- Porkens

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow. This is getting interesting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cleric

- Norwee (Decrease corruption by 1)

Cleric

- redtea (Decrease corruption by 1)

Priest of Corruption

- Bell (increase corruption by 1 with loud modifier)

E.H.

- Banana (Self-harm 1 corruption to increase day time by 24 hours, Can't place votes at 0 corruption.)

[Unknown name]

androgybee (Self-destructing purification role thing...?)
(

KIA

) S_S -

Saintess

(Mod confirmed role, Jack of all trades)

Jackel -

VT

(

KIA

) NDMath -

VT

(

KIA

) Joey_ -

VT

Not claimed:
- Dumb and Dumber
- catboi
- starbuck
- Porkens

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either Cleric is a safeclaim or there's multiple of us.

I COULD believe this on the premise that Saintess had the exact same ability as me (and you apparently) with atonement.

[NorwegianboyEE]

#1025, in relation to Norwee's obvious softclaim. Wasn't gonna elaborate unless we claimed today/Dunnstral was a gift-giving mod lolol

That explains your reaction. So makes me thing you're not joking about your ability. Not sure if scum wouldn't theoretically have an exact copy of my role except mafia aligned tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn't target anyone because I had scumhunting theories stronger than townreads.

You can cure corruption but didn't target anyone N1?

[NorwegianboyEE]

A lot of moments from this claim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I just woke up from a good night's sleep and it's a beautiful morning here in the land of Norway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Norwegianboy

Let's answer d&d at the same time

How do we do that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You can't answer at the same time, it's impossible because of P-edit preventing it.

Anyway, it says "a cleric" to me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I slept on it. All I got was a dream that ants were swarming on my bed and before I was all the way awake I was already standing up on my bed like a third grader at his first sleep over.

It was probably a subliminal message from your own conciousness sensing there is one deceiving us.
Someone like Porkens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Androgybee, what's the name of your role? I do not understand why you would refuse to say this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

androgybee (2): Porkens, NorwegianboyEE

EWWW, i'm on the same wagon as Porkens.
VOTE: Porkens

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE: NEE
I'm gonna do it
VOTE: BananaCucho

lol

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, let's just go with Redtea town. It's not like that's changed my worldview. I thought that from the beginning.

Porkens should die imo.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well, i could go with Jackel too. Or Starbucks. Pick your poison people.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well actually, Porkens/Starbuck should claim, and then we kill one of them. Gotta go through the proper channels first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can we just wagon star now? I really don't know why this is so hard to make happen ...

Do you mind lynching Porkens and then Starbuck afterwards if they flip scum? Or do you think Starbucks has higher chance of flipping scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Dumb and Dumber
I don't see the point in you holding up the wagon that has the most votes when it's someone you scumread.
So if you've got a reason for wanting Starbuck over Porkens today, please explain it. Otherwise it just seems like you're trying to derail the wagon for dubious reasons.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You’re right, poor choice of words. I’m just worried that if we don’t do the wagon with the most votes then people won’t place enough votes in time before deadline.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll just vote whichever of the two get's the most votes then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm conflicted on the popcorn method here, the scummiest players besides jackal (and to a lesser extent) Catboi got to claim last which is a luxury that the towniest players should have gotten.

Tbh, if one of Starbuck/Porkens claimed some amazing PR role at this point i probably wouldn't believe them unless it was confirmable by other players or the mod.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sounds like crap from Porkens. And that he targeted Redtea who ALREADY confirmed targeting no-one is very convenient.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Catboi too i think

[NorwegianboyEE]

Unironically like Starbucks’s catchup today.
Still no likey Porkens. Androgybee should clarify their role or get yeeted from the thread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

colossal amount of posts and quite a bit of fluff can also be scum indicative.

Nah.
Disagree with you on that.
If it was 80% fluff i’d be worried. But quite a bit of their posts are good and show a solving mindset.

[NorwegianboyEE]

so i think bell is very likely town. uhh. norway is still probably town.

sorry we've been so bad this game. both of us just kind of got demotivated and yeah. we'll use our ability soon. it extends the day 24 hours, btw. do people have thoughts on who we should target?

~Nahdia

If mafia kills by instantly giving 3 corruption, then maybe your target will essentially become bulletproof?
Either way, just don’t give any scum this ability.

[NorwegianboyEE]

maybe ill just target starbuck so they dont have an excuse to insist they need to be on EOD wagons though? what do people think of that?

What...?
That sounds suboptimal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

so i think bell is very likely town. uhh. norway is still probably town.

sorry we've been so bad this game. both of us just kind of got demotivated and yeah. we'll use our ability soon. it extends the day 24 hours, btw. do people have thoughts on who we should target?

~Nahdia

If mafia kills by instantly giving 3 corruption, then maybe your target will essentially become bulletproof?
Either way, just don’t give any scum this ability.

If Bee is truthful this basically throws out the 3 corruption kill theory imo

Why Banana?

[NorwegianboyEE]

But they suicide. Shouldn’t a town ability that kills the player be at least somewhat powerful? If they die to make player X corruption free and then nafia just immediately kill player X then what’s the point of their role? From a setup perspective it’s just a stupid role.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If you say they are scum maybe i’ll reconsider but otherwise i’ve got them both as town and will continue to do so unless i learn i’m wrong about any of Porkens/Jackel/Starbuck being scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh, i don’t even think Androgybee needs to suicide at this point. I’m fine with them living until we’ve played hangman with Porkens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tbh, i don’t even think Androgybee needs to suicide at this point. I’m fine with them living until we’ve played hangman with Porkens.

No its needed 110% they cant live after that claim

Their catchup has been town as fuck. Is an unnecesarry death that limits town votes in the game further just to ease your concience really worth it?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Scum doesn’t make this kinda suicide gambit, they just don’t.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, i won’t cry if they suicide right now. But to me it’s unnecesarry when obvscum Porkens is still alive.

[NorwegianboyEE]

i will say ive been a bit paranoid of norway today. the way they're posturing around their reads which essentially amounts to three low-impact posters in the game. if two of three in porkens/starbuck/jackel are town, i would give him a closer look.

Everyone's paranoid of me beibeh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hah! I fucking called that!

VOTE: norwee

Called what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This makes me rethink D/D.

[NorwegianboyEE]

[quote="In post 1594, BananaCucho"][/quote]
I'm not sure if i should congratulate them considering they thought they were targeting town and "saving" them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bell was basically indifferent on porkens/starbuck while barely mentioning jackel. That is probably where we should be looking.

The flip also makes multiple cleric roles a LOT more plausible knowing that it was possible for scum to hand out multiple points of corruption per night. Without those things would be very likely to get overwhelming fast.

Agree on this.
VOTE: Jackel98
D/D i have a FOS on you for constantly turning the vote away from Jackel to Starbuck/Porkens today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

townish: Norwe - Joey
Weak townish: Banana ~ D&D
Null:
S_S, Starbuck, Porkens, Catboi, RedTea. Androbee.
Weak LS: Math

Like this is probably where Bell would put their scum partners. In weak townish and Null pile.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They didn't even include Jackel there actually.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh nvm

Jack is in the null pile.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Jackel98
D/D i have a FOS on you for constantly turning the vote away from Jackel to Starbuck/Porkens today.

Star is still scummy. I'm reassessing porkens

I dont get the link between scum-bell and scum-jackel

Well they've been constantly scumreading Porkens, and regarding Starbucks we find stuff like this: 837, 855.
Meanwhile Jackel is like much less mentioned in their ISO. And if they are, it's not because they're really wanting to push them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

There is 1139
But i'm not sure i'm buying that he scumread all of Starbuck/Porkens/Jackel and they all turn out to be town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh shit guys

Claim aside, I think Norwee is probably scum

Why tho?
Like ignoring Porkens's: ("ur tone so scummy") read, i'd really like it if i could see some decent explanation from you at least of what kind of mastermind plot i'm scheming here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

Maybe this is just my paranoia kicking in

But this interaction with the flip is just kinda whack

fair enough. if im shooting for town,

i probably target Bell here.

i dont think starbuck should be allowed to be on EOD wagons.

~nahdia

Tbh, i don’t even think Androgybee needs to suicide at this point. I’m fine with them living until we’ve played hangman with Porkens.

Tbh, i don’t even think Androgybee needs to suicide at this point. I’m fine with them living until we’ve played hangman with Porkens.

No its needed 110% they cant live after that claim

Their catchup has been town as fuck. Is an unnecesarry death that limits town votes in the game further just to ease your concience really worth it?

Scum doesn’t make this kinda suicide gambit, they just don’t.

I mean, i won’t cry if they suicide right now. But to me it’s unnecesarry when obvscum Porkens is still alive.

Hey, i wasn't wrong. Androgybee was town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm not going to say that's not something i totally wouldn't do as scum there though. So seeing that as a plausible narrative makes sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I doubt Porkens, Starbuck and Jackal are all scum, it's just never that easy.

This is an interesting post, i'm not sure i know the meaning behind it yet. But i wanna quote it and think about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

New reads.

Porkens/Catboi/Bananacucho

Redtea/Starbuck

Jackel98/Dumb and Dumber

Also i doubt there's a third party in this setup now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I doubt Porkens, Starbuck and Jackal are all scum, it's just never that easy.

This is an interesting post, i'm not sure i know the meaning behind it yet. But i wanna quote it and think about it.

Could I be wrong on starbuck? Norwee can you at least towntell a little for me?

I've been towntelling all game bruh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i said i was "a" cleric which Redtea confirmed was the correct phrasing. So my role should be believe in working as advertised. Only reason to still think i'm scum then is if my teammate is Redtea or i'm a mafia cleric.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And considering Bell's role a mafia cleric would be too OP because i could just lower his corruption at night. Making town cleric pointless for that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wait, Bell died from lowered corruption. Derp.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tin foil hat time - on my home site sometimes people give mafia a role that can investigate a player's exact role. Norwee could be that? And have found Redtea's exact role

Except i crumbed my powers early D1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i doubt there's a third party in this setup now.

How do you think SS died?

- Dumber

Dunno. I'm just not sure there's a point in assuming third party just because of one extra kill.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Could you have self harmed yesterday to give yourself a vote?

Yes they could have.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Did i*

Yep. They just didn't read their role properly apparently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh votes reset, neat. It's a sign that I should go back to voting Norwee
VOTE: NorwegianboyEE

When will you start playing the game?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You literally just pop in at the most convenient of times and say the bare minimum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean, when I tried to ask questions, I get told to shove it up my ass so idk

And if you're town you just accepted that and turned yourself into a wallflower?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think it was referring to me not bothering with their questions to me a while back.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I hate town players that tunnel the same person across days without considering alternatives. Really hoping Jackel’s just scum here. Cus if town then they really aren’t putting in any effort at all into this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I played with Battle Mage in Lovers mafia open 787. We were both town. He voted me day 1, kept saying i was conf!scum and didn’t care about anyone else. I call him scum along with the actual scum. Then i flip town and the bastard blames me for town losing the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Catboi what’s your read on D/D right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk. Looking through Bell day 2 again, they rally votes for Porkens early. And then jump off near EOD in favor of Starbuck, as the question becomes between Bee/Porkens instead of Starbuck/Porkens

Couldn’t that just be for some other lamisty reason tho?
Although i’m pretty sure Bell entertained me!scum with Porkens for a short while before seemingly scumreading Porkens more. I’ll think about it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk. Looking through Bell day 2 again, they rally votes for Porkens early. And then jump off near EOD in favor of Starbuck, as the question becomes between Bee/Porkens instead of Starbuck/Porkens

Couldn’t that just be for some other lamisty reason tho?
Although i’m pretty sure Bell entertained me!scum with Porkens for a short while before seemingly scumreading Porkens more. I’ll think about it.

Lamisty?

Yeah, i sometimes distance from the main wagon on town as scum to look good when they flip town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

D/D Porkens is going to be my paranoia scum team right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

catch up 1. The bar for Norwee town is so low that he jumped into it merely by playing the game.

townish: Norwe - Joey

I'm wary of having been buddied based on this. And if i were to guess who the second one would be in that case, i'd say D/D over Catboi. Catboi's approach on my slot from scum to townreading me was much more natural than D/D just stating he TR me here:

I also have townpings on NorwegianBoy

[NorwegianboyEE]

DD was the one who originally called for mass claim today, right? Bell also backed the mass claim iirc. If DD/Bell is a team, I'm wondering why they wanted to mass claim so badly? If DD/Bell is a team,

Good point.I didn't think of that possible connection.
It could also be to get a good view of town PR's remaining to ascertain threats to scum. But trying to save Porkens is a valid explanation too.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wanna see what Redtea has to say about all this before i place my vote again. He's like my clear minded soulmate.
UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a wacky thought but: it's possible the other demons share a similar condition to Bell of dying at 0 corruption. I think we might want to have both cleric claims double up on their target tonight.

Good idea, that sounds much better than just randomly targeting a townread. If we're doing that, both me and Redtea should announce a target before we make the flip tonight.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm willing to let Redtea choose who we target if he wants. But i can make suggestions if he doesn't want to.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw clerics can't self-target. I asked the mod.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If anyone wants to make me spill my mouth now's the time, i'm drunk~~

[NorwegianboyEE]

Jackel, how about this. I promise to listen and respond to whatever questions you have for me in your next posts. Wanna try to make some progression now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Wow. How are you going to ISO yourself with all those fluff posts.
Impossible!

[NorwegianboyEE]

They claimed their scum name lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think i turned around on Porkens because Bell seemed so fine with where things were going today, but i could have been him trying to switch us over to Starbuck like Banana theorizes, and even with Bell!scum flip it doesn’t absolve the scummy things Porkens has said. So i might be fine voting there after all. Would still like some time to think things through though. Those 72 hours gotta be used.

[NorwegianboyEE]

*It could have been him.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Yeah guys, i’m the corrupt demon king from hell. I’m town, sup"

[NorwegianboyEE]

Priest of corruption.

That name sounds kinda scummy LOL.

If Porkens "called it", then i called it too. <3

[NorwegianboyEE]

@ banana: their voting yes have been all over the place and seem much lorenonterestedbin just wagoning than using it to find scum. The Parkinson’s also pretty egreigious. The reaction to the bell flip was textbook scum and the vote record was baaaad. Also I think their tone and approach are pretty obviously scum.

I’m not afraid of hammering yesterday because I thought I was hammering scum.

What the fuck are you talking about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like, you genuinely sound like an insane rambling man right now Porkens. And i don't understand your read on me at all, nor how you came up with it naturally.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's either Jackel or Porkens today for me. Starbuck looks a bit better compared to those two since she's actually playing the game coherently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If we flip Porkens and he's scum and has a scum rolecop ability, then Norwee is likely scum and they bussed each other all game lol

...What?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think we can consider Catboi/D+D team Porkens is trying to sell us if Porkens flips town maybe, but he's been playing so bad and arguing terribly that i don't really want to consider it unless i know for sure Porkens isn't scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not 100% sure i'd be convinced even with that though. I'm townreading Catboi hard. D/D a bit less, but still not enough to consider voting him over many other slots right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

8000th post baby.
VOTE: Porkens

@Redtea How about we both target Jackel this night?

[NorwegianboyEE]

How am i silencing you? Your posts are objectively bad. I genuinely don’t understand what you’re talking about when you explain why Catboi/D+D would be the scum team.
Thing is, you can’t just assume we know you are town and get angry when you aren’t being convincing at all and have zero charisma.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm just stating things exactly the way i see them Porkens. And now it seems like you've started going for the AtE route because you're not even trying to convince us using logic anymore.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Idk what you're talking about.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Porkens: *Does nothing except tunnel the same read for an eternity. Never explaining much other than that he "feels" this is scum*

= is scumread by many players.

Porkens: *Shocked Pikachu face*

[NorwegianboyEE]

In any case, to NEE, I've pointed out your abrasiveness, too, and just from what I've read today feels not so good in the way that you're going about it.

I'm trying not to be rude, but i can often be snarky or blunt. Sorry if that offends, just how i am.
This ain't the newbie queue anyhow.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That feeling when you can't scale the resolution in your memes at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You're still on my radar, though. I find it really weird that you didn't read your role all the way through, considering it seems pretty neat, and asking for corruption while you already have one corruption and have a PR power that gives corruption to yourself seems suspicious imo.

That's actually a valid point. And i'm considering the possibility if Porkens flips town that me and Redtea should target Banana. After all, he can just give himself corruption to place votes again. (According to Banana's own description of their role)

[NorwegianboyEE]

Either Banana could flip scum (kinda doubt it) or we confirm them town. Win/win.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So mafia will have to decide whether to kill in clerics or kill Banana if we do that. Either way, i'm liking that as a plan.

...Also they could be mafia that doesn't die when they don't have corruption. But this was about checking Jackel's: "Banana has sin trait" theory anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Porkens flip scum i think we should just target one of Jackel/Starbuck tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is a hard claim.

Everyone in this game has the following post restriction,

Corruption

must be said using the following code. Otherwise we will automatically lower your corruption level at night. Please do not make me hurt you I would be very sad if I did.

Code: Select all

 [color=#8080BF][b]Corruption[/b][/color]

~Bee

So the fakeclaim was that if we don’t format corruption in that way, our corruption level goes VOTE: down and RR was

avoiding

that. And that is townread why?

This might be the most town-indicative thing from Porkens tho.
UNVOTE:
Like i've gotta consider if scum!Porkens would shade their partner's gambit in that position.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Porkens flip scum i think we should just target one of Jackel/Starbuck tho.

Jackel if Porkens flips maf, sure.
How do you feel about D&D if town though?

My read on D/D right now is that if Porkens is town then they are likely scum. I don't think Catboi would be scum with D/D.

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Porkens
Do you usually buss your teammates when playing as mafia? What strategies do you employ as scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

In the townblock, D/D has been cruising the most i feel. Catboi has been showing a solving attitude consistently though. And their playstyle gives me more townpings than scumpings.
Like i'm seriously worried about D/D having been scum-coasting most of the game right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Post 192 is casting doubts on people's TR's on Radical Rat, which seem less partner equity unless they have been planning to buss each other from the start.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I re-read day 1 and i'm not sure i wanna wagon porkens anymore.
:/

[NorwegianboyEE]

@Banana
Who do you think would be a likely teammate to scum!Porkens and scum!D/D respectively?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Btw i'm assuming 3 scum and no third party.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not sure. I don't really like doing pre-flip associations tbhl

Eh ok.

I'm more interested in who could be teammates with Bell

That's the thing though, they were really not seriously pushed by anyone, and somehow they kept being left out of the discussion. So it's really hard to pinpoint exactly who'd be scum from their flip since we didn't really wagon them, we just got a lucky lolshot in on them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bell was basically indifferent on porkens/starbuck while barely mentioning jackel. That is probably where we should be looking.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Jackel98
For the sake of a counterwagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

That's good. Keep up your healthy overspeculation.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Never voting jackel in a million years that’s most flipbait I’ve seen in a decade.

Flipbait y?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t understand why town!Porkens would think Jackel is flipbait. Shouldn’t the natural town mindset here be to suspect everyone at least a little bit? Or consider if Jackel’s play actually comes from scum rather than saying: "FLIPBAIT! lel"

Great, Porkens. You’ve literally made me want to vote you again in the span of just a few couple posts. What’s the VC?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t see any reason for scum!Porkens to defend Jackel unless they’re both scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But that would be a weird team to go along with Bell tho.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It could be something even more stupid like town!Porkens white knighting scum!Jackel. Either way, i wish he’d stop calling Jackel flipbait and give their real and honest opinion on the slot.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Flashbacks to cult3D where Porkens hard townread me when i was obvscum and literally fought against 4 town trying to convince him i was the cultist recruiter.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you going to actually explain what makes them flipbait?

[NorwegianboyEE]

You know, if everyone says "we could flip Jackel" but it's really hard to make it happen. That's usually the sign that scum is scumreading their teammate, but don't actually want us to vote there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And that's how i felt Bell's way of doing things with Jackel was yesterday. Some light pushing but not as strong as how they were arguing for Starbuck/Porkens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Porkens (3): BananaCucho, Dumb and Dumber, redtea
Jackel98 (2): catboi, NorwegianboyEE
NorwegianboyEE (1): Jackel98
Catboi (1): Porkens

Not Voting (1): Starbuck

[NorwegianboyEE]

It takes 5 to eliminate.
Catboi said they wanted to switch to Porkens wagon. I'm considering it too.
So do you want to be the one to hammer, Catboi?

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Porkens
Ok let's just do Porkypie then.
I'll leave the grand responsibility of hammering to u.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hang on before the hammer please. How much time do we have?

Like 3 days or something.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This back and forth continues with Norwee, but doesn't feel forced to me. I've been quite frustrated with Norwee, too. So I get it.

Wuh? Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can be really friendly and cute to people i like and TR though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don't really have much more to say either right now, but letting Starbuck catch up on the game is fine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My modem was sacrificed to Thor last night.

Can confirm.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Okay, I went back and reread this post by Jackel, and I'm against her elimination today again. In fact, I think that Norwee/Redtea should target someone else if Porkens flips scum, but not sure who that is yet" - Banana

DD then?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I don’t give a shit about claims this is the correct read based on play.

Lel

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd retort more cleverly, but it might make Starbuck cry.
So i'll leave it at that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Porkens is town and ignoring claims like they don't matter they're basically just gamethrowing anyway.
Either we get scum or we cut off a weak link that's just holding us back.
It's like there's nothing to lose.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey Catboi, if Starbuck is ready i don't mind if you hammer now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Lolcat more.
It fuels me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can u just hammer Catboi. I’m boreeed. Wanna see if Porkens is scum or just town with awful reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Bravo, encore.
Fantastic performance Porkens. You can scumclaim now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You played bad and you scumread town.
And now you're apparently being furious.
It's sad if you're town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why didn’t you make the wall before?
Your failure to explain anything is the reason i voted you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I can’t wait for this amazing wall that Porkens put his entire life into instead of just trying to play the game properly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why have I, the clown been left to live

Because i died.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gg town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And GG Joey.
I knew we’d win with you on our side.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How much desperation is there in the scum PT?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I like the best scum PT’s where many tears are shed.

[NorwegianboyEE]