Mini Theme 2162: Wherewolf [Game over | Village win]

[Tayl0r Swift]

VOTE: pine
fuck the police

[Tayl0r Swift]

i mean theres no reason we cant place public meaningless votes as a part of our posts.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Waiting for Spicer and WLC to post
Priest should not claim until the sinner and or (seducer if claimed) are checked. The Inn keeper and (Bard if they exsist ) prob should claim either.

I am claiming NC Town aligned... if the cop invesigate me I should come up as NC ,if they get anything else I need to be executed

to be clear this should read inn keeper and bard should NOT claim either

[Tayl0r Swift]

sorry Galron... i dont understand what you asking.

I've voted twice so far. How many times have you voted?

what does that have to do with anything? I am confused

I can tell you that I voted, but you don't know whether I did, how many times, or who for. My point is we can talk about our votes and even post them, and as brighteningskies pointed out, it may be a good idea to at least talk about them to aid in seeing what coalitions develop, wagons and all that. I think that has utility. But we need to be cautious because the votes out here -- like the polls before and after elections -- aren't the votes that count.

Btw, I haven't voted.

uh why lie like this? whats the point?

[Tayl0r Swift]

not corrupt

[Tayl0r Swift]

i mean... no one should be claiming guilties yet.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i mean... no one should be claiming guilties yet.

what do you mean? I mean not claiming guilties yet is probably wise yeah?

you sounded like you were pondering. i was coming down firmyl on the side of dont claim until you have all the guilties.

[Tayl0r Swift]

IMHO

claim
corrupt/no corrupt

I don't think this helps at all, but I don't think it doesn't help. Especially given we already have a sinner claim.
It's just a moot point rlly.
NC

thinking about it.... we should maybe decide who the clairvoyaant should investiagate....This way we are able check if that player is corrupt via Innkeeper. If we have a bard then even beter but I think we can win with an inn keeper and clairvoyant, What do you think Alamost?

I had thought about this, but then surely the wws just kill whoever the clairvoyant targets?
Unless there's a witch who can stop the kills I don't see how that's particularly helpful

unless the clairvoyant is targeting scum right? that seems win-win tho. either we force scum to kill who we want, or we get a guilty anyway.

[Tayl0r Swift]

the more elements wants to not be investigated the more worthwhile it seems like it will be. we should probably set up a backup investigation in case we suggest that the clairvoyant be investigated, so we still have a directed target

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah and my post gave you a big out to not fullclaim, yet instead you went and made the claim more explicit.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Are you claiming priest or am i missing something?

stop rolefishing.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think elements should be the investigation. if elements is clairvoyant then maybe pine or italiano or another quiet slot? i dont mind if its me either. galron, me correcting a typo someone made is pretty easy to fake as scum. fuzzy is pretty town except fuzzy has been rolefishing.

[Tayl0r Swift]

heres a question: so far i really dont have much idea who other people are balloting. town may have an advantage if we keep it quiet and just vote for who we think is scummiest. on the other hand, this is probably really bad since scum can simply rig the ballot by coordinating. although they may not have numbers to ensure more than half the ballot.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think we should put a50 on the ballot. that whole exchange i was thinking STOP MAKING ELEMENTS OUT, and a50 kept pushing and pushing for a claim. thats really not a good look.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i also think we should stop speculating about elements' role, and probably give elements a pass, at least for today. if elements survives to endgame itll be pretty obvious that elements is scum. no need to waste an elim on what is prolly a town pr shitting the bed

[Tayl0r Swift]

He Glitz
Please catch up as fast as you can

in the mean times.....we are claiming Corrupt/Non Corrupt. We also are deciding who to ballot

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Italian has to be the sinner ,seducer or a wolf
-if he is the sinner then either him or Skies is lying and we need to execute one of them asap
- If he is the seducer = I would think there was a priest. I can not imagine having two false positive -This seems like it would make the game very scum leaning. Suposing there is atleast 2 scum. If he is the seducer he needs to claim the next post or get balloted

if we have a priest he/she needs to claim so we can confirm we have a sinner and a suducer and who the Sinner is.


Elements should not claim.......He does need to explain his action better

why are you now saying elements shouldnt claim when you were pushing so hard for info before?

[Tayl0r Swift]

@Almost50: A lot of what has been said up to this point is Greek to me so I didn’t say too much about it. I said I was corrupt because I am. I figured I’d play up to my alignment. You‘re the one that is assuming what my faction is. And why did you highlight the s in conditions?

I caught the interaction with Almost50 and Elements and that’s why I said what I said about. Don’t understand the correlation between me and Elements that people are trying to frame. I was saying I think he’s town because of the trolling. Someone explain it to me again and if you guys want me on the ballot, just ask me nicely.

there are five possible corrupt roles: three are scum, the other two are sinner and seducer. neither of them has non-standard wincons

[Tayl0r Swift]

@Italian”o”
Please role claim or be balloted...last chance.

Ooh an ultimatum. I don’t do ultimatums.

there were several questions and posts directed at you. to ignore all of them to make that simple statement screams jester to me. no one would be that brazen as scum.

[Tayl0r Swift]

A50 why do you think italiano is scum over jester?

[Tayl0r Swift]

italiano could you please list all the possible corrupt roles that arent scum-aligned for us? just so we know we're on the same page?

[Tayl0r Swift]

this is jester 100% and im not sure i feel like this deserves a win. can we just ask scum nicely to NK italiano?

[Tayl0r Swift]

this play is tantamount to just claiming jester and saying "kill me please, im gonna make your lives difficult otherwise"

jester is a silly role.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Let me think aloud..

Assuming worst case scenario; we are in 7-3-1. We need to eliminate a WOLF or we will lose. Why? because with a miselimination coupled with a NK we would be in a 5-3-1 situation. We cannot afford to eliminate the Jester then, but scum can 9and probably will). They get 2 NKs and win as they reach parity with the town. They could also let us put Italiano on the ballot (tomorrow) and pit him against a townie, so we can choose between going into the night with 5-3 (and them having 2 NKs) or going into the night as 4-3-1 (and them having one NK). Now if we do eliminate the Jester today we would be at 7-3 going into the night (with the Wolves having 2 NKs) which means we are 5-3 tomorrow. Still not an ideal situation and I don't know what to do at this point.

So, do we take our chances and aim for a WOLF today?

i doubt the setup is 7-3-1, that seems pretty scum-sided especially with the 1 being a positive utility role for scum. that said i kinda support going for a wolf today and gambling that if we fuck up, the wolves will kill the jester and get a double-kill for themselves

[Tayl0r Swift]

I just said I don't know anymore. I am least impressed by WLC's play so far, and I lowkey suspect Galron for Defector. We do npt need to eliminate the Defector to win though, but it's one less anti-town slot anyway.

Do you have any better suggestions/cases?

why defector over wolf?

[Tayl0r Swift]

yes, so when you get a non-corrupt result you'll see it was a waste

this is what I thought would've given it away

not really. even now i dont see why that says youre a bard.

[Tayl0r Swift]

hmm just had a shower thought. its kinda important that we decide as a town BOTH people we want on the ballot, and assign people to vote for each. people can then confirm when theyve voted and this will allow us to control who is on the ballot. otherwise scum could see that someone (e.g. italiano is clearly the most voted person) and then vote an obvtown, so that the ballot is obvtown + italiano forcing us to kill italiano or whomever. today with italiano it wouldnt be that bad, but if scum can force two townies onto the ballot that puts us in a pretty rough spot.

[Tayl0r Swift]

if someone who is supposed to be on the ballot winds up not being on the ballot this gives us a pretty small pool to shoot in for presumably multiple scum

[Tayl0r Swift]

yes, so when you get a non-corrupt result you'll see it was a waste

this is what I thought would've given it away

not really. even now i dont see why that says youre a bard.

you can only see a non corrupt result if there is a bard

im pretty sure the clairvoyant gets a night action PM right? also the fact that there might be a bard doesnt mean youre the bard

[Tayl0r Swift]

@T-Swift: Please don't make me second guess my TR on you. bard claim + No CC + morning announcement = Elements is confirmed Bard.

im not after elements as scum. im after elements for hardclaiming.

ill vote glitch

[Tayl0r Swift]

I think the highest wolf make the kill...which doesn't really matter bc we dont have a tracker
I dont like Ele claim as it makes the cop easier to find however , I am tending to believe him. We dont have a cc and there is no reason not to cc as we have the inn keeper and the cop . Bard is a secondary important role IMHO given theInnkeeper is in play. I do not think the Innkeeper of the cop should crumb and give the ww a clue to their ID..but they are free to do what they want.

I think the cop should investigate Italian. If he does ping corrupt then we lynch him if not then he prob the jester and we can make a better decision what we do with him tomorrow.

i kinda feel like its a waste to investigate italiano. on the other hand, we do need to sort that slot for sure, and early investigations are less likely to hit scum, so i guess if we are gonna do it better now than later. like the odds of actual scum there are pretty low.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so on the one hand im all for voting galron. that slot is scummy as hell. on the other hand, id like people to claim who voted for whom. i dont trust that it was townies who balloted galron and italiano. the scum are a large enough voting bloc that they should be able to get at least one person on the ballot unless town coordinates, which we didnt.

[Tayl0r Swift]

so on the one hand im all for voting galron. that slot is scummy as hell. on the other hand, id like people to claim who voted for whom. i dont trust that it was townies who balloted galron and italiano. the scum are a large enough voting bloc that they should be able to get at least one person on the ballot unless town coordinates,

which we didnt.

And you would know this...how?

well because the only way for town to coordinate is to do it in thread. we were trying to coordinate to ballot two people who didnt make it onto the ballot. it seems apparent that our attempt to coordinate failed.

[Tayl0r Swift]

We can make this phase real short.

How?

Ummm...

have you considered our offer to work with town for a few days and then get killed?

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah theres no way i vote italiano today.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I am also positive the Wolf pack voted the Jester (and will vote him here too).

They get TWO KILLs if he is eliminated, so why not?

He he he, you may wanna look at what a Jester does again mate.

you might want to actually

[Tayl0r Swift]

I won't be role claiming. I'm going to check that I'm ready to move on.

this doesnt make me want to elim you any less

[Tayl0r Swift]

yes i think we need to be careful with the "ready for next phase button"

[Tayl0r Swift]

It's probably one of the people on the ballot holding this up.

@Mod: Is that how the rules were designed? Because you'd like...never have the day end except with deadline that way

considering they dont get to vote i doubt it

[Tayl0r Swift]

Thanks for asking the question I probably meant rather than what I actually asked

I’m even more convinced now that scum is on the ballot, and one of their buddies is holding it up.

why? delaying wont change things will it?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Dont know..... Pine seems too eager to end the day.

I think I might change my vote and roll my chances with Italian. The logic behind this if he is the jester we get rid of him early and take our chances with losing a day elimantion
I need more time to think this through however.

this is the only post ive seen where someone thought about changing off of italiano. and i scumread that post pretty hard.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Apologies, that was rudely said, but convincing people is the

point

here. When we went to ballot the majority was convinced Italiano was Jester, so the only reason for delay would be to convince people to either not target Galron or to begin targeting Italiano (semantic difference, yes, but different motivations.) If Galron were Town, the scumteam wouldn’t be holding up the ballot.

or the scumteam are holding up the ballot to try and make us think galron is scum so we off the jester and they get two kills. reminder: we either gamble on galron or give scum two kills.

[Tayl0r Swift]

italiano is either jester or scum. do you think italiano would be that brazen as scum?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i am here and was not the nightkill last night.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I voted Glich...... when I saw the results. Glitch needs to claim unless he can prove that the cop did not investigate him.

A50- why WLC?

I want to sort Italian today.....if possible

@TS
Okay...great to know..maybe you can be more helpful please

i also did not perform the night kill, nor do i have any knowledge of who did. i dunno why glitch wasnt on the ballot yesterday, and being cryptic today isnt gonna cut it for me tbh. im not gonna vote to end the phase until glitch gives info.

[Tayl0r Swift]

and who did you target night 0?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Oh oops missed your post before I posted mine. Why did you not just check yourself and prove yourself to be town?

Something about this line doesn't ring genuine to me at all.

I just woke up when I posted that and missed Glitch claiming clairvoyant but ok. Feels a bit like you're reaching.

My preferred check would be Fuzzy. At some points I feel he's trying to look helpful, but is actually confusing matters.
I don't fully trust Skies either, but would come up as corrupt regardless (Sinner or WW).

Agreed on Fuzzy as a check. Also yup I'd be a waste of a check lol

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I'm

reluctant

to vote off a potential clairvoyant because I've seen times where clairvoyant messes up and gets killed by town and then the game is lost.

But on the other hand I don't really trust Glitch and the fact that he didn't say who he checked the first night in his claim post is weird to me!

You think he'd come out with all the info. Surely if he checked anyone that isn't me, we would have the game won because that's two wolves (unless there is seducer). It's almost as if he had to stall for time to think of someone to have checked idk..

I won't vote yet until I've heard more from Glitch but this claim has some scum vibes.

this has me sold on town!brighteningskies

[Tayl0r Swift]

well ok then

[Tayl0r Swift]

i started reading that post and was like... this feels like a scumclaim. and then i finished that post and still had that feeling, even stronger.

[Tayl0r Swift]

what if the clairvoyant DID check themselves and got a corrupt result? what if the clairvoyant IS a wolf?

[Tayl0r Swift]

Btw, I think this is what has been expressed so far (sorry if I missed something as I quick skimmed just now)

A50 -> WLC
Fuzzy -> Italian
skies -> Fuzzy
WLC -> Fuzzy
Inso -> ?
Pine -> ?
Swift -> ?

i also said fuzzy but im fine with WLC too. i think we check one of them and then if the result is non-corrupt then we lunch the other.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i also said fuzzy but im fine with WLC too. i think we check one of them and then if the result is non-corrupt then we lunch the other.

That is inconclusive

im not saying we leave it up to the clairvoyant. im saying we decide collectively, and then tomorrow if theres an inno result, then we lunch the other person.

[Tayl0r Swift]

earlier in the day i said fuzzy but i now think WLC is better

[Tayl0r Swift]

i also said fuzzy but im fine with WLC too. i think we check one of them and then if the result is non-corrupt then we lunch the other.

That is inconclusive

im not saying we leave it up to the clairvoyant. im saying we decide collectively, and then tomorrow if theres an inno result,

then we lunch the other person

.

please lunch me.....I will have a fajita plate w extra cheese and guacamole

today we are lunching glitch

[Tayl0r Swift]

i also said fuzzy but im fine with WLC too. i think we check one of them and then if the result is non-corrupt then we lunch the other.

That is inconclusive

im not saying we leave it up to the clairvoyant. im saying we decide collectively, and then tomorrow if theres an inno result, then we lunch the other person.

Not sure if you're typing lunch on purpose because of the site changes? but either way "lynch" is a word people are trying not to use just to let you know.

Also you're saying we burn one of either Fuzzy or WLC depending on who we actually check?? Not sure how I feel about that, we might wanna put pressure on one of them sure but not move straight to elimination.

ALSO will people please stop saying a check on them is a waste.. Surely you can understand why it looks scummy to say that and the only check that is genuinely a waste is checking me because you won't be able to tell if I'm a wolf or not from the check since it will be a Corrupt result either way.

lunch is a safe word that no one should have qualms about. you eat lunch during the day, and sometimes it results in death. it conveniently starts with L so L-1, lylo, etc still all work.

also i loled at the "no one is allowed to say that getting checked is a waste except me"

i dont mind being checked, but FMPOV its a waste.

[Tayl0r Swift]

actually if people suspect me then id like to be checked.

[Tayl0r Swift]

that still isnt a sentence, but i think we get what you mean.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'd like to switch and potentially have Pine checked. I'm not sure about his intentions.

I actually agree

Pine (2): WLC + A50
WLC (2): Swift + Fuzzy
Fuzzy (1): skies
Italiano (1): Inso

No vote: Pine

no A50 dont fall for WLC's shenanigans!

although lowkey i agree too

[Tayl0r Swift]

am i a potential town player a50?

[Tayl0r Swift]

im fine with pine being checked. let the scum boss us around.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Atp. i kinda want to check WLC and if we dont get a hit kill Pine tomorrow bc he pinging almost all of my scum bells atm.... He almost not really worth checking. The only problem is the PR claim

hes not worth checking because hes prolly scum?

[Tayl0r Swift]

fuzzy+pine solve anyone?

although 3 scum+jester seems quite a lot.

[Tayl0r Swift]

Sorry I vanished. Should have announced VLA but forgot to. We adopted our foster son this week and have had family in town since then. It's been crazy.

I think the best target for the clairvoyant to check tonight is me. It would be great!

arent you the one who just claimed scum? what? this is a prodge?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I don't necessarily agree that we should check Pine. He seems to just be scumhunting and sharing his opinions normally and I'm not getting many scum pings from him personally.

I also kinda agree that if it were not me as the first check that returned corrupt it might be a good idea for them to share them.

I still say we should check WLC or fuzzy.

Bright- scum hunting by calling for the Cop to be outed.Okay sure. Its not just him asking to out the clairvoyant. its that he acting like he wants to protect PR and then putting one of the most important PR in danger. To me he seems to be continuing to push this even though it is the best move..It it was the clairvoyant would of claimed. Not sure why you are soft defending Pine here. Also why I am a better choice then Pine . I know maybe I am not the best town but I am far from scummy IMHO. All he is doing playing games . Even if he not wolf I consider him anti town atm.


We know there is an Alpha wolf...... It would be nice if Glitch full claim but I do not think he will .

Reads
- Italian- (antitown but prob not a wolf
-A-50- hard town
- Bright Skies- Leaning Scum
- Pine -Anti town/ leaning wolf
- Taylor- slightly leaning scum
-Elements- hard town
- Insomania - leaning town
-WLC- not sure
Glitch- Wolf and needs to be burn with fire

this is a terrible readlist. why is bright skies a scumlean?

[Tayl0r Swift]

your case on me consists things i said on page 5? i mean... ok...

[Tayl0r Swift]

your case on me consists things i said on page 5? i mean... ok...

I don’t see how that changes anything.

If you’d like me to provide a more recent read, looking through your ISO, you are just surfing the game flow and don’t look like you’re evaluating much.

Your checks for the clairvoyant appear from basically thin air ; the only time you mentioned WLC was in the post you wanted them to be checked and fuzzy’s mention was the second time you brought him up.

I don’t really see how you’re evaluating the game or how you progress through your reads. I actually don’t even know what your reads are.

good

[Tayl0r Swift]

or alternatively, the clairvoyant could just check me and save you the time. but like.............................. its prolly just WLC or pine.

also thats the most vanilla consensus readlist ever. how are you awarding townpoints for that? thats just the "FMPOV im town and heres what other people think" list.

[Tayl0r Swift]

can we take the positive confirmation that there was no news from the inn as a sign that the innkeeper is alive?

[Tayl0r Swift]

I'm prepared to claim now.

I am the Medium - Galron and Man With No Name both returned results as Non-Corrupt. I think it highly likely that MWNN was the Clairvoyant, as a lack of result N2 suggests the Clairvoyant was dead - and it wasn't Glitch.

I believe we are dealing with one more wolf. Galron was suspected of being a Defector, so his NC flip doesn't mean much, but Glitch was definitely a wolf (which is why I didn't bother scanning him).

you didnt bother scanning him? who did you scan? you scanned someone the wolves killed? just in case the wolves killed a wolf?

[Tayl0r Swift]

and also fuzzylogic. it also leaves fuzzylogic

[Tayl0r Swift]

my proposal is to ballot WLC today and then check me tonight.

[Tayl0r Swift]

then tomorrow when i come back non-corrupt we go after fuzzy (if tomorrow is a thing that happens)

[Tayl0r Swift]

OK... if there's another living PR (other than the Innkeeper/Clairvoyant) could they please claim?? I did catch Pine's claim as Medium. I am asking of Swift/WLC/Fuzzy to claim if either is -say- Wizard or Healer

not i

[Tayl0r Swift]

im for sure down for balloting fuzzy.

i wish we knew if it were pine or WLC who is clear. or if either of them is clear tbh.

[Tayl0r Swift]

@ Pine
How..... how is my logic bad. Please explain the flaw in my logic......There is zero reason to believe the Clairvoyant is dead. I am so confused how you came to that conclusion. I am confused about how anyone came to that conclusion. Please walk me through this bc this is fuzzy thinking even for me......

@Bright
Hmm...... I guess it is possible that the cop thought Glitz was scum and went along with it and did not last night. I still think it is likely that the cop is going along with the plan as it has been successful. I will still think the cop checked Pine last night until there is reason not too as this seems like the most likely situation. The cop maybe should claim if they did not check Pine last night. If not then we should assume it was indeed Pine that was checked. Can you give a reason why you think Pine was not the one that was checked or are you being paranoid? I am trying to figure where you are coming from here

TS
Huh..why would you think the cop checked anybody but Pine or WLC. This makes zero sense to me


I think a wolf is pushing me at this point. I have little reason to think other wise.....

and is this wolf me, pine, or A50? because i think all of us are suspicious of you, and increasingly so in my case

[Tayl0r Swift]

Insomnia died during the night

OK then, so, INSOMNIA was the Healer & Glitch was a

Wolf Pup

.

I was attacked and healed last night.

Pine is Clear because -obviously- the Innkeeper is still alive.

Give me a little time to figure the plan for today/tonight

this makes sense, except i dont know why insomnia was necessarily the healer

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok fair enough. i think we lunch in the unknowns.

wouldnt a mass-claim be helpful here?

[Tayl0r Swift]

If it were up to me I'd still eliminate WLC today (based on my case from earlier when I wanted him checked). If the game doesn't end we are guaranteed a check result on Fuzzy, and if that is clear we eliminate skies. What do you guys think?

i think its fine and support it. in that case we dont mass-claim until tomorrow?

[Tayl0r Swift]

A50 why did you ask if we are wizard?

[Tayl0r Swift]

if you are clairvoyant then we should mass-claim because you die anyway. if you arent then maybe we should still mass-claim, because it basically solves the game. but im pretty sure you are the clairvoyant.

[Tayl0r Swift]

nah im a farmer

[Tayl0r Swift]

im also pretty sure im not scum here. and i also think its WLC and hope its WLC

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah im not voting at all yet.

[Tayl0r Swift]

inso was mod confirmed to you as the healer?

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh right we went over this. sorry im a bit slow sometimes

[Tayl0r Swift]

no......

its pretty obvious what I am claiming

you are claiming scum

[Tayl0r Swift]

or maybe madman

[Tayl0r Swift]

i dont think we go after skies today. i think we go after WLC. im fine with being checked.

[Tayl0r Swift]

but you also know in your soulgut that im not a wolf

[Tayl0r Swift]

A50 you had a safe way to win the game and now you want to do something totally different? whats the plan here?

[Tayl0r Swift]

The wolf is probably Tayl0r Swift and you're too busy trying to flirt with her to want to vote for her. Just saying..

if im a wolf im probably a defector, right (so you dont need to kill me to win if im a wolf)? so we kill WLC, if that doesnt end the game we investigate fuzzy, if thats innocent we kill myself and brighteningskies and its a free win.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think my vote is on WLC

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh i got confused when so many people were on the ballot.

[Tayl0r Swift]

well there was only one vote for each person. i vote WLC. you voted brightening. who else voted? we can probably learn a fair bit based on who voted for whom. italiano presumably self-voted. if anyone else voted italiano then italiano is scum, if not, italiano is confirmed jester.

[Tayl0r Swift]

whats interesting is that some people chose not to vote. presumably it was WLC that put me on the ballot. well i guess two people could have voted for one person on the ballot. or maybe three. so maybe everyone voted. still, hearing where people voted could be helpful.

[Tayl0r Swift]

if the order we are listed in on the ballot means anything then WLC got the most votes which means that WLC is almost certainly town. but im not sure that order is indicative of anything.

[Tayl0r Swift]

WLC and pine who did you vote to put on the ballot?

[Tayl0r Swift]

i am but i still think theres valuable info to be gleaned from getting everyone to claim who they voted.

[Tayl0r Swift]

hmmm thumbs dont taste as good as potatoes, trust me. i voted.

[Tayl0r Swift]

jfc i voted WLC

[Tayl0r Swift]

if you were really town youd be 100% sure that thats the case.

[Tayl0r Swift]

this is not a prodge but merely a reminder to hit that "next phase" button.

[Tayl0r Swift]

interesting choice to ballot me. it sorta clears me (unless i balloted myself). anyway, dont forget to hit the end phase button, people.

[Tayl0r Swift]

time for a prodge. i dont actually like the current gamestate because scum has neither conceded nor are they doing anything in thread to put up a fight.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i think the threshold for moving on could be an issue since sometimes people have legit reasons for not moving on. but maybe if a majority votes one person the phase ends just like normal.

[Tayl0r Swift]

I was kind of hoping I would die as I am terrible as town at this point in the game. If there was a defector then town should of won so we are dealing with an Alpha wolf or a Pack wolf.

Prediction.....
Fuzzy- Taylor
Taylor- Fuzzy , Italian

which means that Italian will be the deciding vote

wait youre gonna vote me? if thats the case then youre both voting me and im just dead. hmmm. im pretty sure youre mechanically conftown, right?
are you around fuzzy?

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah youre confirmed. i dont understand why youre alive. but it does make it easy fmpov. italiano was just gambiting jester. dont know how i can convince you, i likely wouldnt vote italiano in your shoes.

[Tayl0r Swift]

why wouldn't I be..... Pine was the obvious kill last night as he was the town medium. My role is useless atm.
I have been considering Italian has been playing a long con. It seems possible but not likely. I going to go through the posts of WLC and glitz and see if there is any clear clues to who the last ww is.

Maybe by the end of the days depending if I can finish with the chores

wait whats your role? i thought you were the medium

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh nvm youre the clairvoyant right? ok i guess you were both conftown.

[Tayl0r Swift]

thats the one i meant

[Tayl0r Swift]

whelp. its gonna be embarassing when we lose to someone who openwolfed and fake-claimed jester day 1.

[Tayl0r Swift]

im realizing i really hate flipless games.
i voted italiano. my vote isnt moving. italiano being willing to do whatever is telling, he should want us to kill him too. actually, if hes jester he dies no matter where you vote. we can test his claim somewhat by you nominating him. if hes jester hes the only one on the ballot (or are all of us on the ballot because two of us get 0 votes).

[Tayl0r Swift]

i guess if hes jester all three of us would be on the ballot. so even scum!him self-nominates here. but him openjestering should have suggested we finally kill him.

[Tayl0r Swift]

yeah actually thats true. if we all nominate the same person (say we all nominate italiano), which we should do to test the claim, then by the rules everyone will be on the ballot (tie for second). then none of us can vote. what happens then?

[Tayl0r Swift]

because the logical thing seems to be that that person dies. so if italiano is jester then town loses, but if italiano is scum then italiano is forced to out. i guess italiano has to be scum tho. italiano wont self-vote and its moot. i voted italiano. italiano will be on the ballot. what you two do now doesnt really matter, but i hope you vote italiano with me.

[Tayl0r Swift]

hello pls come play mafia with me

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok fuzzy im pretty sure that if you put italiano on the ballot then italiano is confirmed scum to you

[Tayl0r Swift]

fuzzy, look at it this way: im voting italiano. if italiano is jester, italiano will self-vote and you've already lost as town, so you may as well vote italiano. if italiano is scum though, and you vote me, then you lose. so either way you should vote italiano.

[Tayl0r Swift]

oh fuck we cant vote, nevermind.

[Tayl0r Swift]

ehhhh im here if you have questions.

[Tayl0r Swift]

i posted less than 24 hours before that! and i cant vote!

[Tayl0r Swift]

fuzzy work with me here. what are you thinking? can i help with anything?

[Tayl0r Swift]

[Tayl0r Swift]

well im legit town so if you did that we won

[Tayl0r Swift]

did you really?

gg.

it was a good gambit italiano.

[Tayl0r Swift]

what made you choose to believe me? i was kinda worried that youd have no reason to and wed lose

[Tayl0r Swift]

ok, gg!

i think i hate flipless setups. this one was ok with some of the roles that helped get flips, but oh boy what a mess.

[Tayl0r Swift]

well done to everyone. the jester gambit was good. it seemed too bold to come from scum, since what if there really had been a jester. but i guess the jester wouldnt counterclaim. well done fuzzy, in your shoes im not sure if i would have been brave enough to vote italiano.

[Tayl0r Swift]

being the only VT feels a bit sad but it was a fun game considering it was flipless. thanks to cm and everyone who played.

[Tayl0r Swift]

one change would be to end the phase any time a majority is reached, like normal forum mafia.