Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[ItalianoVD]

I'm taking note that Italiano seems to be somewhat confrontational this game.

I am confrontational this game because I’ve been annoyed this game.

whats been annoying you?

1. The fact that I can’t figure out this game. It’s stalled and I don’t know why.
2. I know there is at least one scum on me at the present and I can’t figure it out.
3. Trying to figure it out seems moot because my credibility is shot currently.
4. Being scumread for being transparent.
5. The fact that this game is dead, oh did I mention that already.

This is why I’m annoyed. It ain’t just one thing. And I ain’t replacing out; that’s not what I do, I wouldn’t want anyone coming into this slot anyway, wouldn’t be fair to them. Gotta try my best to clean it up.

[ItalianoVD]

598 - It seems like RLotus and I view Italiano's play this game differently. I actually do see some "bite", but I don't know if it is necessarily town indicative for him (the promises to obvtown, calling out people, ...).

When have I ever had bite, to this level, as scum? Come on man.

[Reformed Toxic Player]

I'm taking note that Italiano seems to be somewhat confrontational this game.

I am confrontational this game because I’ve been annoyed this game.

whats been annoying you?

1. The fact that I can’t figure out this game. It’s stalled and I don’t know why.
2. I know there is at least one scum on me at the present and I can’t figure it out.
3. Trying to figure it out seems moot because my credibility is shot currently.
4. Being scumread for being transparent.
5. The fact that this game is dead, oh did I mention that already.

This is why I’m annoyed. It ain’t just one thing. And I ain’t replacing out; that’s not what I do, I wouldn’t want anyone coming into this slot anyway, wouldn’t be fair to them. Gotta try my best to clean it up.

thanks. it was an important question - i wanted to see if you had any particular reasoning which does help me sort you.
also my apologies I was distracted as I am usually so.

[Andresvmb]

Also, what’s wrong with gut and tone, exactly? It’s D1. There’s no concrete information. Most of what we’re using to read players is based on anyone’s interpretation of anybody else’s words and motivations.

I mean, in my experience playing with you, you have gotten into some very deep arguments about specifics. The problem with gut and tone is that they are feeling words with no justification. I'm not saying a person can't use them, but if that is the entirety of your case, it sure makes it impossible to pin you to a position if you change your mind later.

I'm all about accountability, and it's impossible to make someone accountable for tone. I'd expect you to get that.

I am with you regarding the need for accountability and for some reasoning behind votes in general. But I also don’t expect most players to have very well thought out reasons for putting down votes D1. That’s all I was trying to get at. Intuition is important man.

[Andresvmb]

Not really a fan of Andres arguing that Testa was his second strongest townread. That seems like a weird point to focus on.

This is wrong. Look - what I was trying to do was simply show that even with the most generous interpretation of the post with my reads, he was still incorrect (remember, VPB tried to argue that my view of Dunn is illogical because I was signaling that Testa was my strongest TR, which I never stated and my structuring didn’t imply). So no, Testa is NOT my second strongest read. Just so we’re clear. And it’s obviously less so since they have yet to come back into the game.

[Andresvmb]

@RTP I think there’s Scum pushing Italiano. I don’t think this frustration/defeatism is coming from Scum, but honestly, I have revealed this to be a bit of a weak spot for me. I obviously think midwaybear’s seeming POE for today is rubbish, and I need you to look a bit closer there. I also don’t like Datisi’s 618 (seems like Scum sidelining a player that is maybe an easy push here). However, this whole thing is a bit binary. If they’re right about Italiano, then I expect {Green Crayons / Datisi / midwaybear} and to a lesser extent VPB to come out looking stronger for it. If Italiano is Town, then it’ll make it more obvious that we’re in part being led astray by Scum.

[Andresvmb]

^oh and RLotus too. RLotus also seems convinced Italiano is Scum.

[Andresvmb]

I'm townreading VPB, RTP, and Elements.
I could elim Andres, Italiano, and Harumi. Could basically compromise on anyone else with a decent enough case.

And this is the POE I’m talking about.

[OutWorldER]

Official Vote Count 1.05

Central Bank of Ireland, Dublin

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Elimination

With 13 votes in play, it takes 7 to eliminate someone.
Dunnstral (4): VP Baltar, midwaybear, Green Crayons, Datisi
ItalianoVD (3): Harumi Ayasato, RLotus, Reformed Toxic Player
Harumi Ayasato (2): Testarossa, Elements
Elements (2): Andresvmb, Duchess
Green Crayons (1): ItalianoVD
Testarossa (1): Dunnstral

Deadline:

(expired on 2021-02-28 21:49:12).

Mod notes: Apologies for lack of updates recently.
Freeze on Prod timers ends at noon today, my time. Once the freeze ends, replacements and prods will be sent out as soon as possible.

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[Elements]

Limpool {

RLotus

, Lunar, Green Crayons, Baltar}
Townleaning {

RTP

, Andres, Duchess??)

Harumi

- I have you at null. Your play could come from both town and scum.

2. I know there is at least one scum on me at the present and I can’t figure it out.

Is there a reason you're voting GC over RL?
You're saying you don't know which person on your wagon is scum, but have only one of them in your limpool and townlean another one, why not try to figure out which one is scum?

[VP Baltar]

I think there’s Scum pushing Italiano.

To clarify, who is the scum pushing this?

[VP Baltar]

Duchess seems to have quietly drifted into the background since the fight with GC.

[VP Baltar]

Dunn, we aren't likely going to eliminate Tess today, change your vote to someone else and help break the game stall.

[Datisi]

1. The fact that I can’t figure out this game. It’s stalled and I don’t know why.
2. I know there is at least one scum on me at the present and I can’t figure it out.
3. Trying to figure it out seems moot because my credibility is shot currently.
4. Being scumread for being transparent.
5. The fact that this game is dead, oh did I mention that already.

1./5. the game is dead because 4-5 people are barely playing or not playing at all and the moderator had abandoned us for half a week too. wow.

2. where are you trying to figure it out? like this seems more like complaining about being voted than actually, idk... genuinely sorting anyone? like you have 3/4 people that are pushing you as confusing/null/weird.

also i feel like you're trying your best to ignore me while throwing sideways shade at me and i Do Not Like It

4.

[Datisi]

I also don’t like Datisi’s 618 (seems like Scum sidelining a player that is maybe an easy push here).

mind elaborating on this?

[Datisi]

i think baltar may actually be my strongest townread at this moment in time and i don't know how i feel about it

baltar, talk to me about your italiano read? is it just a tstbs thing or is there something more?

[OutWorldER]

Prodding Duchess
Prodding Harumi Ayasato
Replacing Testarossa

[VP Baltar]

baltar, talk to me about your italiano read? is it just a tstbs thing or is there something more?

It definitely feels tstbs. That being said, I'm willing to put my vote there if we need to move things along. Stalling is not useful for the game state and sometimes tstbs is actually just flail scum.

At the very least, a flip of Italiano gives info and progression.

[VP Baltar]

Datisi, I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on andres. (Did I ask that already?)

[Reformed Toxic Player]

hi this is embarrassing but i passed out

[OutWorldER]

Battle Mage replaces Testarossa

[Battle Mage]

I'm taking note that Italiano seems to be somewhat confrontational this game.

I am confrontational this game because I’ve been annoyed this game.

whats been annoying you?

1. The fact that I can’t figure out this game. It’s stalled and I don’t know why.
2. I know there is at least one scum on me at the present and I can’t figure it out.
3. Trying to figure it out seems moot because my credibility is shot currently.
4. Being scumread for being transparent.
5. The fact that this game is dead, oh did I mention that already.

This is why I’m annoyed. It ain’t just one thing. And I ain’t replacing out; that’s not what I do, I wouldn’t want anyone coming into this slot anyway, wouldn’t be fair to them. Gotta try my best to clean it up.

i got u fam

[Datisi]

oh shit, hi battle mage

have we finally rolled the same alignment, or are you scum again?

[Battle Mage]

Lotus is that a random vote?

town

i'm town bud! good to see ya

[Battle Mage]

what's the case on Dunn?