Mini Number 2195 | Brutalism | GAME OVER

[midwaybear]

That's true.
Not much is going on right now though, so I don't think Dunn would be too worried if he was scum here?

[Datisi]

1921 from GC feels like a weird way to present a question
To answer it, I should be playing the same as long as my motivation is here. I was not really into the game for a lot of D1.
VOTE: Green Crayons

what is weird about it?

btw i think you still owe me your elements explanation

and yeah, there's not much going on *right now*. but weren't the unvotes solely because "oh no y-1 already ok let's unvote so no speedyeets"? like i don't think anyone has actually presented any sort of convincing argument that dunn is town. i don't think anyone townreads dunn. how do you go from there to "scum!dunn probably isn't worried"?

[midwaybear]

Well, nothing from Elements seems scummy to me from this day which is why I'm still townreading them. My original reason to do so was that I didn't think ELements would put pressure on themself to make reads or something like that early on.

If the gamestate is slow, it tends to favor scum. If Dunn is scum, we probably aren't going to get him today because him and his buddies are going to find a convincing alternative. Perhaps Cookie Monster.

[midwaybear]

what is weird about it?

It is too good faith to me. Reads LAMIST-y

[midwaybear]

TBH, killing RTP was a pretty smart shot. Now there's nobody to really drive this town forward.

[Datisi]

If the gamestate is slow, it tends to favor scum. If Dunn is scum, we probably aren't going to get him today because him and his buddies are going to find a convincing alternative. Perhaps Cookie Monster.

isn't this true for like... any scum? like i don't get how that is supposed to be "clearing"

like you said i had a point about him on his vote. there are people trying to divert from his wagon. i find it weird that you're handwaving it on such... odd reasoning? like even if it follows that dunn is relaxed bc his buddies are working to drive attention away from him, are you not worried about people who are actively doing that?

[midwaybear]

Ok, it's not like I townread him. I just don't think that is scummy.
Idk who is working to drive attention away from him. Who do you think is doing that? What happened to your galaxy brain idea?

[Datisi]

i'm not saying you townread him, but you acknowledged my point on his yesterday's vote on you being Not Good, so like i assumed there's at least some sorta scumlean there

if dunn is scum, then (off the top of my head) it would be andres (though maybe a bit too obvious...), max, you, maybe cookie/elements? like there's a few names there that'd need a Look

nothing happened to it, it's still in here. it's just very much not the right time for presenting it.

and like i was asking you, i don't get your reasoning here. like it seemed to me you were at least suspicious of dunnstral, right? like the fact you're kinda not acknowledging his today vote on you, and discouraging his wagon on such flimsy reasoning, doesn't give me good feels?

[midwaybear]

I forgot he was voting me. I still am somewhat suspicious. I think he can be wagoned still. I just don't think what you pointed out is too scummy from him.

[midwaybear]

His vote on me is fine for the reasons he gave, but it is more of an interpretation thing that I don't want to get in an argument about. I hope he will see that I am town soon enough.

[Green Crayons]

I'm not really sure what you're asking

I haven't been lurking on day 2

that was my point

you were lurkfest d1

came out of the d2 gate like a gunshot

the sudden 180 caught my attention and i wanted to know what your ~*~self meta~*~ is on your tapering off of lurk play, as everyone in this game has a chorus of "dunn lurks as both alignments"

[Datisi]

came out of the d2 gate like a gunshot

are we reading the same game

[Datisi]

His vote on me is fine for the reasons he gave, but it is more of an interpretation thing that I don't want to get in an argument about. I hope he will see that I am town soon enough.

i wasn't arguing as if the "lol why am i still top wagon" is the crux of my dunn case anyway.

i am not actually sure what the above quote means? like yeah it's an interpretation thing and you agreed w me, no?

[Green Crayons]

1921 from GC feels like a weird way to present a question
To answer it, I should be playing the same as long as my motivation is here. I was not really into the game for a lot of D1.
VOTE: Green Crayons

that's... not really an answer.

anyway, i thought your catch up posts in your early d1 game looked solidly town

but then you dropped off

i think replacing in can be super powerful for scum, because scum can use catch-up posts to look really solid town. (i also think town can benefit from replacing in for this same reason.)

your sudden drop off in activity suggests that something happened to change your posts. not having the ability to reap the benefit of "catching up" town posts comes to mind, which suggests AI.

[Green Crayons]

came out of the d2 gate like a gunshot

are we reading the same game

relative to d1

dunn had a whole back and forth with mom, it was incredible. i think it lasted something like 5 posts

[Datisi]

came out of the d2 gate like a gunshot

are we reading the same game

relative to d1

dunn had a whole back and forth with mom, it was incredible. i think it lasted something like 5 posts

and it was a back and forth that went nowhere and said nothing so like idek

what's your current read on dunn again?

[Green Crayons]

Admittedly, my explanations for voting Italiano weren't the greatest, but it just seems like maxwell got just enough to throw a vote on me and then dipped.

do you have anything to add about your VD vote that you think maxwell should have explored before re-voting you?

[Green Crayons]

came out of the d2 gate like a gunshot

are we reading the same game

relative to d1

dunn had a whole back and forth with mom, it was incredible. i think it lasted something like 5 posts

and it was a back and forth that went nowhere and said nothing so like idek

what's your current read on dunn again?

on his best day his play null this game, poe suggests scum, and at this point i think a flip either way would be informative

[midwaybear]

@GC Not really?

[Green Crayons]

So then what are you even saying about maxwell?

[Andresvmb]

Ended up being a busier weekend than I thought. I’ll get back to this later today.

[maxwell]

His vote on me is fine for the reasons he gave, but it is more of an interpretation thing that I don't want to get in an argument about. I hope he will see that I am town soon enough.

i wasn't arguing as if the "lol why am i still top wagon" is the crux of my dunn case anyway.

i am not actually sure what the above quote means? like yeah it's an interpretation thing and you agreed w me, no?

What is the crux of your case, exactly? As far as I can tell, it's that Dunn didn't vote Italiano and made a useless vote on midwaybear near the end of the day. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't really townread Dunn, but that's not...especially convincing?

[VP Baltar]

His vote on me is fine for the reasons he gave, but it is more of an interpretation thing that I don't want to get in an argument about. I hope he will see that I am town soon enough.

i wasn't arguing as if the "lol why am i still top wagon" is the crux of my dunn case anyway.

i am not actually sure what the above quote means? like yeah it's an interpretation thing and you agreed w me, no?

What is the crux of your case, exactly? As far as I can tell, it's that Dunn didn't vote Italiano and made a useless vote on midwaybear near the end of the day. Correct me if I'm wrong. I don't really townread Dunn, but that's not...especially convincing?

The point of lurking is that there is never an especially convincing case to make, right?

[VP Baltar]

k since yall prob gonna try to hammer this while im at work - ill just out my theory now ~ i will ellaborate on this tomorrow if im alive but if somehow italiano flips town, im looking at a crackpot theory of andres, maxwell, GC.


but the way italiano formed their reads list suggests they arent flipping town so im not too pressed about it, i just would rather do this in case im nightkilled and all.

This may not be entirely crackpot.

[VP Baltar]

That feel when the three top wagons (as of 1440) are your three stated townreads

This post pings me

Feels like something that comes from scum

1132 and 1362 feel scummy to me as well

VOTE: midwaybear

No it doesn't
Why is it scum?

Also noting that RTP saw the same exact thing Datisi and I did with this vote.