Open 806: JK9++ (Game Over!)

[Schiavetto]

yes

[Not_Mafia]

What does that mean in this context?

[Not_Mafia]

[SirCakez]

Votecount 5.1

Datisi (1) - Schiavetto
Schiavetto (1) - Datisi

Not voting (3) - Petapan, Isis, Not_Mafia

(expired on 2021-03-26 13:12:00) remain until day end

With 5 players alive, it takes 3 to reach a majority.

[Isis]

I think Datisi is voting Schiavetto fair mod

[Isis]

idk why I said fair, I guess cause his name reminds me of medieval stuff

[Isis]

I feel pretty sure I want Datisi or Not Mafia today I'm just not sure which.

I'm bad enough at this game to want to just count the 50% clear in Schiavetto's favor (that Schiavetto can only be the goon, I think it's a valid probability shift)

[Not_Mafia]

I also have semi-clears just saying

[petapan]

it is a probability shift, yeah (fmpov it's dats goon/NM joat, dats JOAT/NM goon, schi goon/dats JOAT, schi goon/NM JOAT, schiavetto is 50% to be mafia while the other two are 75%. if you keep me as a suspect the math is similar, shiavetto is less likely to be mafia either way)

there's also the thing where the vote from notscience is maybe non-partnery thing anyone alive has going for them

on instinct i think datisi's tone entering today was off but i don't trust my instincts anymore

[SirCakez]

Fixed

[Datisi]

on instinct i think datisi's tone entering today was off but i don't trust my instincts anymore

peta, you said you wanna talk to me, talk to me. what about it was off?

[Datisi]

isis, what do i need to do to convince you it's schia and miltank?

[Isis]

Maybe show me people to deadsheep about it. You feel off to me also.

[petapan]

on instinct i think datisi's tone entering today was off but i don't trust my instincts anymore

peta, you said you wanna talk to me, talk to me. what about it was off?

i dont know lol

i need ~something~, i didn't have anything in mind to talk about but if you're town you need to convince me

[Datisi]

Maybe show me people to deadsheep about it. You feel off to me also.

come on, you know i can't show you that.

on instinct i think datisi's tone entering today was off but i don't trust my instincts anymore

peta, you said you wanna talk to me, talk to me. what about it was off?

i dont know lol

i need ~something~, i didn't have anything in mind to talk about but if you're town you need to convince me

s i g h
peta i don't know how to convince you. i don't know what makes people read me the way it does.

also i am so tired from mafia because literal two days ago i took a town that was on route to victory and single-handedly torpedoed it into the grand canyon. but i really really don't want it to happen again.

like you were reading me correctly on day one.

later on you accused me of not solving but that's both false and kinda a flawed argument. i was solving where i was able to - the issue was that i'd missed a good chuck of late day 1 which didn't help. but it's also a flawed argument because i know how to fake reads as scum, and bullshitting scumreads isn't difficult. like on day two, iirc there were shitfights around isis, there were shitfights with you and bb. (i'm assuming you're town here bc if you aren't then lol) like i could've taken advantage of those t/t things. instead i'd sat aside, weakly called y'all town, pushed infinity???

day three i actually thought mena was being scummy. me/him/ico have a long history of playing together, and mena prides himself in being able to read ico correctly (i think like every game except their first game together?). the fact that (1) he kept insisting that ico was scummy (2) genuinely wasn't trying to read the parts of the game that i felt were very town!indicative for ico made me think he's scum. it was kinda a dual bop on both me and him wrt reading ico. which was obviously half wrong but it made me think the slot is scum.

like it's hard for me to interact w "idk convince me" bc in vast majority of cases i never actually have to do that - people are convinced themselves. that's why i'm asking you, what is it that you're finding scummy. bc i don't know what else to do and i really REALLY don't wanna be the sole reason why a town has lost a game twice in the same week

[Isis]

I guess I would want to watch you sort but the game's kind of sorted from your PoV I guess if you buy into peta!town
Tell me how you would analyze NM's hammers/nothammers

[Not_Mafia]

Maybe show me people to deadsheep about it. You feel off to me also.

come on, you know i can't show you that.

on instinct i think datisi's tone entering today was off but i don't trust my instincts anymore

peta, you said you wanna talk to me, talk to me. what about it was off?

i dont know lol

i need ~something~, i didn't have anything in mind to talk about but if you're town you need to convince me

s i g h
peta i don't know how to convince you. i don't know what makes people read me the way it does.

also i am so tired from mafia because literal two days ago i took a town that was on route to victory and single-handedly torpedoed it into the grand canyon. but i really really don't want it to happen again.

like you were reading me correctly on day one.

later on you accused me of not solving but that's both false and kinda a flawed argument. i was solving where i was able to - the issue was that i'd missed a good chuck of late day 1 which didn't help. but it's also a flawed argument because i know how to fake reads as scum, and bullshitting scumreads isn't difficult. like on day two, iirc there were shitfights around isis, there were shitfights with you and bb. (i'm assuming you're town here bc if you aren't then lol) like i could've taken advantage of those t/t things. instead i'd sat aside, weakly called y'all town, pushed infinity???

day three i actually thought mena was being scummy. me/him/ico have a long history of playing together, and mena prides himself in being able to read ico correctly (i think like every game except their first game together?). the fact that (1) he kept insisting that ico was scummy (2) genuinely wasn't trying to read the parts of the game that i felt were very town!indicative for ico made me think he's scum. it was kinda a dual bop on both me and him wrt reading ico. which was obviously half wrong but it made me think the slot is scum.

like it's hard for me to interact w "idk convince me" bc in vast majority of cases i never actually have to do that - people are convinced themselves. that's why i'm asking you, what is it that you're finding scummy. bc i don't know what else to do and i really REALLY don't wanna be the sole reason why a town has lost a game twice in the same week

tl;dr

[Datisi]

sorry, mom told me not to talk to scum

[Datisi]

I guess I would want to watch you sort but the game's kind of sorted from your PoV I guess if you buy into peta!town
Tell me how you would analyze NM's hammers/nothammers

i can tell you about my theory that you were scum preparing for my yeet in final 5 because on d3 you made a post like "i wanna think about either bb worlds or datisi worlds" but when d4 came by, you no-comment voted secret hydra while knowing that there'd be appetites for that yeet, and bc i'd be an ~easy~ push in final 5 bc you could call back to your suspicion on me from d3, and also you were kinda more widely townread than me and most likely win that 1v1 so.

obviously this all fell apart bc you're the jk but maybe it helps showing where my head was at, idk

i mean i've been town on him but i don't actually *know* how to read peta. but i don't think i could ever convince you to vote him anyway so it's like. i'm taking my previous ~townread on him and running with it because the game's not winnable if it's wrong anyway.

this is also a difficult question bc while i vaguely know n_m's rep, i don't actually know if his behaviour is ever ai one way or another.

ok, i reskimmed his iso again and the genuine answer would be that i do not know. like, if i wanted to, i could argue that his pattern of not hammering pooky (town), but then hammering implo, bb, sechyd (3 non-groupscum) is scum!indicative because the only time he didn't hammer someone / expressed a townread on them was when it was practically a done-deal that they're flipping, and there were enough people that wanted pooky dead... actually, wait, pp was voting sechyd the whole of d3, no? and he wasn't on the final wagon.

aaaagh. n_m didn't have to hammer sechyd there, likely pp does the job for him. *but* he also never expressed any sorta read on sechyd, so not hammering wouldn't really be town!indicative while there was another person ready to do it, bc he never genuinely tried to divert from sechyd and "not hammer" would obviously be just for show. so he wasn't really giving up any towncred by hammering there.

analyzing the patterns in a vacuum, the answer is "lol idk". if there really is precedent to n_m being more likely to actually play the game / express reads as town, then it's +scum, but that's meta i don't have.

[Isis]

NM do you play the game more as scum or town

[Not_Mafia]

Both

[Not_Mafia]

Or neither, depends how you look at it

[Isis]

Those have different implications about how you comparatively play SK!

[Not_Mafia]

My engagement isn't really tied to my alignment, it's tied to getting good reads, synergy with the player list, even timezones of people playing and if I'm awake for the bulk of activity, if I wake up to ten+ pages every day I'm not going to properly read them, just skim and then shitpost if nothing leaps out at me.

[Isis]

I feel like I have not voted scum all game and am trigger shy