Titus v Nancy Drew (Game Over)

[Nancy Drew 39]

Nancy. Please, please read what Sarah said about Clidd.

Bussing/shading when YOU don’t want to elim Clidd means Sherlock can push there without consequence.

Can you/Sarah please summarize this for me? Thanks. <3

[Nancy Drew 39]

But you did with Koba, so why would Starcrossed be any different? I’m basing this on either Star or you being the likely kill tonight and because every single NK so far has been bus driven.

No, I messaged Sara who got bus driven with DKKoba. i know this because Sara did not respond to my message

Had I messaged DKKoba, then Sara (if scum) wouldn't say anything, and then I would have no idea whether or not DK got driven

My messages will be most powerful if I withhold who I targetted or am going to target

Oh that’s really interesting but I guess same difference.

[Morning Tweet]

Sherlock's associations with clidd are not strong enough to clear clidd alone especially given how scum would have likely been trying to prop Sherlock up, imagine a widely townread 1-shot dayvig, would have been great

Combine that with how clidd now has a coin flip's chance of being the goon, as well as how Sherlock could have reasonably expected to get away with pressuring clidd w/o him dying. I need more reasons to TR him than that (i said this earlier today ik, and obviously Fey has been talking about it a ton, so apologies if i missed other reasons to TR clidd i'll find them eventually)

[Nancy Drew 39]

No, I think that there must be a loud modifier with investigatives because both of them had the exact same thing happen to them.

What?

It’s kind’ve atypical for either Koba or you to have been given the bus driver’s target’s identity.

I wasn't. i deduced it from Sara not responding to my message

And DKKoba was simply told who they investigated. [I.e. "Toogeloo is vanilla!"]. I do not receive feedback in the form of moderator feedback on my role. Everything has to do with my target signalling to me in thread (sometimes secretly) that they received the message.

N2 - Starcrossed, success
N3 - Olaf, success
N4 - SaraharaS, failure

Loud modifier means that I inform my target that I visited them, but I'm not loud and neither was DKKoba. The bus driver also isn't loud cause then Toogeloo and SaraharaS would know the bus drivers identity

Yeah right makes sense because switching Sarah with Koba would obviously have prevented that.

[KidAmn]

@Kidamn why did you RS Dunn when Koba was the obvious kill target?

Panic and/or idiocy, take your pick.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Sherlock's associations with clidd are not strong enough to clear clidd alone especially given how scum would have likely been trying to prop Sherlock up, imagine a widely townread 1-shot dayvig, would have been great

Combine that with how clidd now has a coin flip's chance of being the goon, as well as how Sherlock could have reasonably expected to get away with pressuring clidd w/o him dying. I need more reasons to TR him than that (i said this earlier today ik, and obviously Fey has been talking about it a ton, so apologies if i missed other reasons to TR clidd i'll find them eventually)

Well, I’d definitely like to hear more about it and it would also resolve the whole “I need to get Noraa out of [his] head” thing as well.

[Morning Tweet]

Yeah there's no other way my message doesn't reach Sara as far as I can think of. Even if scum has a fourth PR, it doesnt make any sense to interfere with me given the only way i would have noticed is if i messaged exactly sara and even then it's not a huge deal to them

unfortunately it doesnt give me many clues as to the driven player's alignment since this drive follows the same logic as the Toog drive as far as I can tell.

[Nancy Drew 39]

@Kidamn why did you RS Dunn when Koba was the obvious kill target?

Panic and/or idiocy, take your pick.

Why panic? And sorry but that’s not really a great answer. I don’t think Dunn was ever in any real danger of being the NK. Scum always target outed cops BEFORE outed protectives.

[KidAmn]

@Kidamn why did you RS Dunn when Koba was the obvious kill target?

Panic and/or idiocy, take your pick.

Why panic? And sorry but that’s not really a great answer. I don’t think Dunn was ever in any real danger of being the NK. Scum always target outed cops BEFORE outed protectives.

Not a great answer, but the one I've got. Sorry.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Yeah there's no other way my message doesn't reach Sara as far as I can think of. Even if scum has a fourth PR, it doesnt make any sense to interfere with me given the only way i would have noticed is if i messaged exactly sara and even then it's not a huge deal to them

unfortunately it doesnt give me many clues as to the driven player's alignment since this drive follows the same logic as the Toog drive as far as I can tell.

Scum has consistently bus drove the NK: Morty & Rick, REK, Koba.

But you’re right, it doesn’t actually tell us anything. I kind’ve like Sarah saying she’s okay with my PoE because as scum, she’d absolutely no she’s doomed.

I’m thinking that KidAmn has the best chance of being bus driver. However, we now know that vig was only a one shot, so that would definitely be telling after tonight.

But I would really like to hear more from Fey/Sarah or anyone else for that matter, wrt Clidd.

@Clidd, you is currently in your PoE?
@KidAmn, same question.

[Fey]

I maintain that clidd wasn’t really spewed town but I don’t uh, really know if I’m just being too paranoid since everyone else has come to the assumption that he was.

I think that S+W pushing Clidd makes sense if it is S/S; S+W, as dayvig, is presumably meant to be the team's "deepwolf" to carry that shot as long as they can, as it grows in worth over time.

Also, also, my POE at this point is dwindling so I wanna make sure we're not just townlocking Clidd off of that alone.

Even if it looks good, I think that S+W was enough of a risktaker to do something like that, especially if he knows Nancy won't bite (she had moved on I believe at that point).

Spoiler:

VOTE COUNT 2 . 26

• 5uffering
  ----------- 4 ( clidd(94), Gamma Emerald(172), 5uffering(174), War and Peace(39) )
  F- 5
  
  
  ItalianoVD
  ---------- 3 ( SaraharaS(36), Morty and Rick(139), Dunnstral(73), Titus(148) )
  F- 6
  
  
  Clidd
  --------------- 3 ( Sherlock and Watson(208), Pink Ball(221), olaf(197) )
  F- 6
  
  
  SaraharaS
  ----------- 1 ( ItalianoVD(68) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Sherlock and Watson
  - 1 ( Fey(42) )
  F- 8
  
  
  War and Peace
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Morning Tweet
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Starcrossed
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Pink Ball
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Gamma Emerald
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Toogeloo
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Morty and Rick
  ------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Fey
  ----------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Red Eye Knights
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Dunnstral
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Olaf
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ---------- 5 ( Morning Tweet(162), Starcrossed(73), Red Eye Knights(39), Toogeloo(38), Nancy Drew 39(581) )

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-28 00:01:00)

Spoiler:

VOTE COUNT 2 . 27

• ItalianoVD
  ---------- 7 ( SaraharaS(36), Morty and Rick(139), Dunnstral(73), Titus(148), Pink Ball(222), Nancy Drew 39(584), Toogeloo(43), Morning Tweet(163), Starcrossed(75) )
  F- 2
  
  
  5uffering
  ----------- 4 ( clidd(94), Gamma Emerald(172), 5uffering(174), War and Peace(39) )
  F- 5
  
  
  Clidd
  --------------- 2 ( Sherlock and Watson(208), olaf(197) )
  F- 7
  
  
  SaraharaS
  ----------- 1 ( ItalianoVD(68) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Sherlock and Watson
  - 1 ( Fey(42) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Morning Tweet
  ------- 1 ( Red Eye Knights(43) )
  F- 7
  
  
  War and Peace
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Starcrossed
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Pink Ball
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Gamma Emerald
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Toogeloo
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Morty and Rick
  ------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Fey
  ----------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Red Eye Knights
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Dunnstral
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Olaf
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ---------- 0 ( No One )

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-28 00:01:00)

Spoiler:

VOTE COUNT 2 . FINAL

• ItalianoVD
  ---------- 9 ( SaraharaS(36), Morty and Rick(139), Dunnstral(73), Titus(148), Pink Ball(222), Nancy Drew 39(584), Toogeloo(43), Morning Tweet(163), Starcrossed(75), Red Eye Knights(44), Sherlock and Watson(236) )
  Flipping
  
  
  5uffering
  ----------- 4 ( clidd(94), Gamma Emerald(172), 5uffering(174), War and Peace(39) )
  F- 5
  
  
  Clidd
  --------------- 2 ( olaf(197) )
  F- 8
  
  
  SaraharaS
  ----------- 1 ( ItalianoVD(68) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Sherlock and Watson
  - 1 ( Fey(42) )
  F- 8
  
  
  Morning Tweet
  ------- 1 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  War and Peace
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Starcrossed
  --------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Pink Ball
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Gamma Emerald
  ------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Toogeloo
  ------------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Morty and Rick
  ------ 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Fey
  ----------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Red Eye Knights
  ----- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Dunnstral
  ----------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  Olaf
  ---------------- 0 ( No One )
  F- 9
  
  
  
  
  Not Voting
  ---------- 0 ( No One )

With 16 alive, it takes 9 to Flip
Deadline is in (expired on 2021-02-28 00:01:00)

Clidd... never really came close to being voted out frankly.

I'm not vibing with the W/P elimination.

VOTE: Charlie and Snoopy

Let's eliminate scum ^

Okay, also.

So I know we all think that S+W spewed Clidd town, but also, when the W+P wagon had momentum, this vote shows up.

I've been thinking about this vote.

I don't like this vote.

[Fey]

i'm not 'seriously suggesting' i'm asking if it seems remotely balanced because, as i said, it reeeeeeally doesn't feel balanced to me

i think Clidd looks pretty bad from Krazy interactions especially when you consider that nobody gets voted off without your say, so scum can throw shade at each other in this setup knowing it's not likely to result in an actual scum!death unless you already dislike the slot. Krazy only throws shade at and pushes the clidd slot when Krazy knows you're after other votes. like i talked about this already, he ramps up the agression against clidd from shade to pushing when you're deciding between 2-3 non Clidd people. that feels performative > non associative

not sure what my problematic interactions with the slot are?

I didn’t sanction Toog and wasn’t exactly keen on BM. Only lim I enthusiastically endorsed was W & P, however I did push for Italiano.

what happened isn't what should happen. we shouldn't vote anyone the stump doesn't agree to until all masons are dead. i stand by this

BM was before i got here and i remember you were annoyed about it but idr the specifics

Italiano you were happy with so it fits. clidd wasn't being seriously considered and most people were looking at the same people you were here. clidd/Krazy throwing shade at each other wasn't going to result in a exile and krazy waited until the other wagons had solidifed + got some degree of buy in from you before he seriously 'pushed' clidd. look at the timings of his case vs wagons

W&P also fits

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler: ignore for now

[A] - SaraharaS
[C] - Clidd
[D] - Dunnstral
[F] - Fey
[K] - KidAmn
[M] - Morning Tweet
[O] - Olaf
[P] - Pink Ball

- Starcrossed

writing this now so i remember to use it later

[Nancy Drew 39]

Is have this in mind rn:

{Star} {Fey} {Pink Ball}
{Morning}
{Dunnstral}
{Pyro}

-

{Kid}
{SaraharaS}

Is this still your current solve?

[Titus]

Hi Nancy! I have my current solve.

Have you figured out the meaning of green scum?

[Nancy Drew 39]

It doesn't bother me if the elimination is on W/P today, although I won't be part of the wagon.

@Clidd, why did you say this?

[Nancy Drew 39]

Hi Nancy! I have my current solve.

Have you figured out the meaning of green scum?

Anyone you think could be a hypothetical mason?

[Morning Tweet]

Spoiler:

Sam how are you?

batsunami confirmed town

I didn't realize those benedict cumberpatch gifs were of sherlock holmes (or that he played him at all), I thought clidd just really liked the guy

s

My read is losing strength over time, you need to towntell in the next 24 hours, Sam.

My read is losing strength over time, you need to towntell in the next 24 hours, Sam.

VOTE: clidd

i-is it working?

No, the vote was late. Didn't you notice any difference between this game and our past game?

I'm very different, but you haven't mentioned it at any time here.

nope you seem the same to me

even the 24 hours to seem town thing was a lot like the last time we played together

Hum, no.

I should be scummy in your perspective for how I got into the game.

Your vote remains slow, I need a towntell. If you describe your current reads, it will help me check if my tr is right or not.

I think gamma is either town or trying to appear town by taking a cue from our last interaction together

I didn't look into what is normal behavior for saudade, but just by vote alone I lean mafia

I want to shelve toogeloo for day 1

and I think titus messed up and confirmed batsunami town

Ok, it's enough for now. Good timing.

I would probably push you if you came back with a wall.

But it still doesn't make a lot of sense that you didn't push me in earlier.

pedit: Yeah

Has anyone observed clidd do this "You need to towntell for me in the next X amount of time" thing before?

[Titus]

Hi Nancy! I have my current solve.

Have you figured out the meaning of green scum?

Anyone you think could be a hypothetical mason?

Finally. It took you long enough.

[clidd]

Why is Sara not dead yet?

[clidd]

My current PoE is you/KidAmn/Clidd. I have stronger reasons to be tr everyone else and as long as both scums are in that PoE, we win.

So fypov, do you agree with this? Minus you obviously.

as i said earlier, yes. this either gets both scum, or there's a deepwolf that gets POE'd out from flips/power roles... but there's enough votes for all of that. if i had a smaller poe then i'd be a lot more irritated with a push on me here

I hard TR over half of the game without counting myself so this isn't game losing, it's just dumb. if you want to vote me then sheep me afterwards

6350 was of course saying sheep me on Kidam/Clidd. if you're agreeing with that then i don't mind what else you do really

That isn't something that town!you would think, Hopkirk.

[Titus]

Why is Sara not dead yet?

Nancy will not appease the Blood God.

[clidd]

Is have this in mind rn:

{Star} {Fey} {Pink Ball}
{Morning}
{Dunnstral}
{Pyro}

-

{Kid}
{SaraharaS}

Is this still your current solve?

Yes, I didn't see anything expressive to change it.

Maybe Kid is not as evident as a second, I still have to evaluate, but as the main scum I'm 90% sure on Sara.

[Nancy Drew 39]

Krazy was hardpushing Clidd. I really don’t see why he’d do that if Clidd was a buddy. Interactions look the absolute worst with Gamma however.

Both flipped scum spend a great deal of time defending that slot.

[clidd]

It doesn't bother me if the elimination is on W/P today, although I won't be part of the wagon.

@Clidd, why did you say this?

Because I didn’t sympathize with the scumread on the slot and consequently wouldn’t be part of the wagon.

My attitude was basically the same in relation to the elimination of BM and Italiano, two slots that I also saw as town, although W/P has been shown to be scum.