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Ich Troje · Post Post #300 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:53 am

In post 254, Almost50 wrote:
In post 84, Ich Troje wrote:That was my plan initially but I realized quickly how stupid that was and just PoEing people into never-pairings is much more effective.
What's your definition of "never-pairings" here?

Meaning people who we don't let trust pair anyone

Ich Troje · Post Post #301 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:56 am

In post 217, skitter30 wrote:Ig we can force t3 to trust different people and see what happens / if they take it ...

I feel like t3/dats would be interesfing but also like maybe a50 shouls do stuff before we force pairings i'm realizing

this post gives me massive scumpings. I dont know why it just vibes so wrongly with me.

Can you explain why you reached this conclusion here skitter?

Ich Troje · Post Post #302 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:57 am

I hate i cant vote people lmao

Ich Troje · Post Post #303 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:59 am

I'd like to flip SS with Vulture here

Umlaut · Post Post #304 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:01 am

In post 302, Ich Troje wrote:I hate i cant vote people lmao

Ich is probtown

ISO · Post Post #305 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:12 am

In post 299, Ich Troje wrote:I admit i have no good meta on T3 nor any degree of success of accurately reading them but these bold "would never do as scum"gambits are tbe type of thing he does as scum to their scum buddy to make it seem like they can't be partnered ever here.

On the contrary, if I flip scum (and I will flip first, probably), it just makes it seem like he can't be town.

skitter30 · Post Post #306 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:33 am

In post 301, Ich Troje wrote:
In post 217, skitter30 wrote:Ig we can force t3 to trust different people and see what happens / if they take it ...

I feel like t3/dats would be interesfing but also like maybe a50 shouls do stuff before we force pairings i'm realizing
this post gives me massive scumpings. I dont know why it just vibes so wrongly with me.

Can you explain why you reached this conclusion here skitter?

Which part

skitter30 · Post Post #307 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:34 am

In post 296, T3 wrote:
In post 295, skitter30 wrote:
In post 290, T3 wrote:I'm town.
So skitter trusts SS and Umlaut trusts me?
Ss is def going before you, and you probably aren't getting trusted at all at this rate
How can I redem myself?

Dont know

Ich Troje · Post Post #308 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:58 am

In post 306, skitter30 wrote:
In post 301, Ich Troje wrote:
In post 217, skitter30 wrote:Ig we can force t3 to trust different people and see what happens / if they take it ...

I feel like t3/dats would be interesfing but also like maybe a50 shouls do stuff before we force pairings i'm realizing
this post gives me massive scumpings. I dont know why it just vibes so wrongly with me.

Can you explain why you reached this conclusion here skitter?
Which part

The part where you want T3 to randomly trust people, as well as the T3/Dats pairing.

Ich Troje · Post Post #309 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:58 am

In post 305, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 299, Ich Troje wrote:I admit i have no good meta on T3 nor any degree of success of accurately reading them but these bold "would never do as scum"gambits are tbe type of thing he does as scum to their scum buddy to make it seem like they can't be partnered ever here.
On the contrary, if I flip scum (and I will flip first, probably), it just makes it seem like he can't be town.

lmao when u subconsciously slip that you could flip scum >>

Umlaut · Post Post #310 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:05 am

In post 304, Umlaut wrote:
In post 302, Ich Troje wrote:I hate i cant vote people lmao
Ich is probtown

Actually on further reflection this is close to NAI; the sentiment is genuine but I could see that genuine sentiment coming from scum too since not being able to vote would still feel unnatural.

ISO · Post Post #311 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:06 am

They are Koba right?

Umlaut · Post Post #312 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:08 am

Oh, I didn't even think about who they really are or even whether they're an alt at all, I'm not considering meta here.

Ich Troje · Post Post #313 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:23 am

I'm obvtown anyways so it's ok.

Ich Troje · Post Post #314 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:24 am

T3 · Post Post #315 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:40 am

In post 311, Something_Smart wrote:They are Koba right?

Yeah. I knew after there were 3

emojis used in a row.

Datisi · Post Post #316 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:02 am

i tried to get some rest, it didn't work, this game is still not readable for me, but i will try

In post 217, skitter30 wrote:Ig we can force t3 to trust different people and see what happens / if they take it ...

I feel like t3/dats would be interesfing but also like maybe a50 shouls do stuff before we force pairings i'm realizing

i still don't get the idea behind this. like i get that scum wants a townie to trust them. but if you want to avoid that, then have an agreement to only have consensus townreads pair. i get it's fun and all to want to do a hero scum pair, but like. the most likely way that ends is with a free scum leave, because odds are you don't have the hero solve. (and right now you don't have it.)

hmm - what are the odds this is scum!s_s getting the trust of a townie, then galaxy brain not accepting it? he's still likely to leave the game early, but upon his redflip, t3 has a huge target on his back.

removing the tinfoil, i am getting scumpings from a50's posts. not sure why. very low confidence on it considering i blunder my read on him about always.

In post 262, Almost50 wrote:
In post 141, Datisi wrote:
In post 140, Something_Smart wrote:
In post 109, Datisi wrote:arguing mech / semantics / setup strategy is a thing scum often does because it's posting and presence but it's actively stopping game progress.
How often does this tell actually work?
it caught me as scum once
Mate, I'm sure if you voted the player that posts the 500th post you'd catch scum more often than that!!!

wait, so you're telling me that "mechposting" actually isn't a scumtell, and scum!me has been avoiding it like the plague for over a year for basically no reason? fucking hell

also uh
i really do not want to trust t3 here
like if i get an overwhelming majority on (1) we should try to solve the game with a hero flip (2) here are good reasons on why these two are the scumteam specifically, i'll do it, but like. i feel like that doesn't end pretty

309 doesn't give good vibes

hot? take: if ich is scum, their partner isn't in s_s/t3. like this spearheading to have them flip together feels a bit too... obvious/desperate for now. idk i feel like it's more likely to be a towncred farm than a "getting the buddy out of game" strategy

i almost started townreading umlaut for being lazy but then i remembered i probably shouldn't do that

i have way too many scumpings and like half a townread, that is sad

skitter30 · Post Post #317 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:10 am

In post 308, Ich Troje wrote:The part where you want T3 to randomly trust people, as well as the T3/Dats pairing.

I dont believe i said he should randomly trust people

I was sort of thinking that if he's scum and trusts a partner they wont take it

But now that i think abt it i dont know if a townie would take it either

Idk it made some amt of sense to me last night

ISO · Post Post #318 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:12 am

In post 316, Datisi wrote:hot? take: if ich is scum, their partner isn't in s_s/t3. like this spearheading to have them flip together feels a bit too... obvious/desperate for now. idk i feel like it's more likely to be a towncred farm than a "getting the buddy out of game" strategy

yeah I think I agree with this. if I actually took their offer and T3 flipped scum then they would almost certainly lose if scum.

skitter30 · Post Post #319 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:13 am

In post 316, Datisi wrote:i still don't get the idea behind this. like i get that scum wants a townie to trust them. but if you want to avoid that, then have an agreement to only have consensus townreads pair. i get it's fun and all to want to do a hero scum pair, but like. the most likely way that ends is with a free scum leave, because odds are you don't have the hero solve. (and right now you don't have it.)

hmm - what are the odds this is scum!s_s getting the trust of a townie, then galaxy brain not accepting it? he's still likely to leave the game early, but upon his redflip, t3 has a huge target on his back.

removing the tinfoil, i am getting scumpings from a50's posts. not sure why. very low confidence on it considering i blunder my read on him about always.

I was kinda thinking that if you're partnered with t3, you would want to avoid trusting him since you, like, literally cant

But like i said i'm not sure how to diffrentiate that universe with the universe where you're town and think t3 is scum ....

How *are* you reading t3 btw?
Is there anybody yoh would trust?

Dont think this is scum-ss/town-t3; i'm p sure scum-ss's instinctive reaction would have been to reciprocate

Datisi · Post Post #320 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:21 am

In post 319, skitter30 wrote:How *are* you reading t3 btw?
Is there anybody yoh would trust?

i'm not, i have no clue how to read him
i can agree the stuff he's posted is scummy but i also know he's a Wacky Town Player so i won't even pretend to know what i'm talking about

people that i have at least some reason to trust, vaguely in the order of strength:

- s_s: probably town unless he's galaxy braining scum or his t3 partner is galaxy braining scum. but s_s is probably leaving anyway and i'm independently getting some vague townie pings in his interactions w me
- pengu: this is Vibes

- skitt: maybe i started attacking things that weren't there yesterday bc on a reread it doesn't seem All That Sensical and i can see what others are saying so i guess
- pooky: i kinda don't wanna think that scum!pooky plays like this here? like idk, asking for hero pairs and whatnot feels more like memey town!pooky than scum!pooky
- ich: i had like. one (1) good ping on them yesterday that i'm not even sure if it holds up anymore but i'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here

vulture is still null to me, and t3/a50 are "i actively do not want to trust you"

Datisi · Post Post #321 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:23 am

oh right this game has 10 players, not 9
umlaut is around pooky/ich level, like "the style of play and the reads given vaguely remind me of town!umlaut but i have nothing solid to actually back this up with"

skitter30 · Post Post #322 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:23 am

I'm worried that u were going after town-t3 in mbos while handwaving away his behavior here when i think he's actively been scummier here

Datisi · Post Post #323 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:25 am

skitt, i cannot genuinely compare his scumminess between the two games. i knew he was town in mbos12, all his posts were ~town posts~ to me. like yeah i agree he looks scummier here to me, but it's not because i actually compared his posts fairly

skitter30 · Post Post #324 (ISO) » Tue Jul 13, 2021 11:29 am

In post 320, Datisi wrote:i'm not, i have no clue how to read him
i can agree the stuff he's posted is scummy but i also know he's a Wacky Town Player so i won't even pretend to know what i'm talking about

Ig i'm having a hard time understanding why you arent just going: yeah he's scummy i think he's scum