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[Datisi]

TRUST: datisi

[Datisi]

@dats why'd you do it

i wanted to post something because the game opened and i was around. but i didn't have an intro joke ready. so in those cases i usually just make a random vote. but i cannot vote in this game. and i cannot random trust someone as that is 2/9 odds i get scum 50% of the way there on page one. so i trusted the only person i could without it being gamethrowing.

why did you initially think it was a risk? even if you thought that scum doesn't want to leave the game, i still wasn't risking anyone leaving the game with me, as it was a self-trust

[Datisi]

ok

why is my intro scummy in this new context?

[Datisi]

Datisi uses lowercase letters when he's scum.

this is correct.

And then pooky pointed out that scum wanted to leave, so i thought it made it scummier because (if self-trusts are legal) than dats doing so would be making it that much likelier to happen, esp if anybody is in a meme-y mood.

could you explain what you thought by "self-trusts being legal"? like, it requires two people for a fall, how did you think this would work?

skitter town

agree

why? not to be a killjoy, but it feels kinda early to townread skitter >_>

currently my plan is to make Ich/Dats trust each other so if they r S/S the game is over and if they are T/T then I get to look for other baddies

Ich Dats what do you think of my plan?

pooky/ich scumteam confirmed gaem solved

ok so
- penguin is kinda good vibes
- ich is giving me gut townpings for a reason i might elaborate on later
- at first i thought skitter is scummy because her "scumpings" on me felt very much forced, or like she's making sure i don't start getting townread. but rn she's kinda back to null i guess because she gave up on it and it felt natural enough so
- i tarted glazing over all vulture posts but i can't tell if that is playstyle or scumminess, will look at their other game at some point

[Datisi]

ok i actually looked at vulture's iso for more than 5 seconds, and all/most their posts feel like posting for the sake of posting, like arguing theory or semantics or whatever

@ich, what made you want to include them in the initial trust fall?

[Datisi]

I am still a little suspicous of you though. Also why would scum-me make sure you dont get townread?

why are you ~a little suspicious~ of me? and uh, because this game is about townies getting correct townreads, and town!me is kinda... good at getting townread?

what's the t3/dats/ich read?

[Datisi]

p-edit: What expectations do you have of me early game to assume I would jump in straight to reads?

arguing mech / semantics / setup strategy is a thing scum often does because it's posting and presence but it's actively stopping game progress. i don't have any meta on you to know if you do that as town or not, this is a general read.

[Datisi]

Dats how do you feel about trusting Ich?

ich is like, slightly +town than random but nowhere near trust levels. please stop trying to piss me off, it's annoying.

[Datisi]

I think this perception bothers me if only that it comes after Skitter and I spoke in a way that I feel deviates from the theory talk I had with Ich before. My perception is that we were both engaging each other over actual “content”.

i started typing that post when your posts were only the "vapid posts" and i didn't read the pedits as there were too many. and i skimmed / basically skipped the other posts you wrote because they were more than 2 lines and i'm kinda busy answering other thing that people are throwing at me. i'll update that read when i get around to it

[Datisi]

I am still a little suspicous of you though. Also why would scum-me make sure you dont get townread?

why are you ~a little suspicious~ of me? and uh, because this game is about townies getting correct townreads, and town!me is kinda... good at getting townread?

what's the t3/dats/ich read?

You feel v concerned about how i'm reading u and i dont know why you would care so much at thia point (hey remember the (?) ? This is sort of tripping the same thing)

And you feel somewhat off and focusing on the wrong things
And idk if i like your vulture take

And i get why scum would undermune townreads in general but why would i start the game doing so *on you*?

Did you think your entrance would ger you townread?

i'm not concerned about my own image, i'm concerned about yours. basically, you started off the game calling me scummy for my intro - which by itself made me suspicious of you because i didn't think you can get a scumread on me for that. but maybe you saw something i didn't, so i'm gonna ask you about it to try to figure out if you actually *saw something* or if your read was *made up bullshit*

like, i kinda feel it's disingenuous to compare this to the "(?)" when that was much deeper into the game (where i was townread, but you were also townread, and we were basically playing white flag, and god help me if town!skitter is about to turn on me), while this was like, literally page two (where most reads are pretty much blank slates)

what do you think town!me would be focusing on here?
and /shrug on the vulture take

and because again, i'm decently good at getting myself townread as town, and because you gotta start somewhere, and arguably my intro was the only one / the most weird enough to go after?

[Datisi]

ich is like, slightly +town than random but nowhere near trust levels. please stop trying to piss me off, it's annoying.

so you'd be ok with trusting Ich since he's +town for you right?

they're +town but not town *enough*. i know you're trying to get me to say that i don't want to trust fall with them because then you can yell how you've solved the game, but like. i'm sure you can see the issues there, and being shitpushed, meme or not, is getting on my nerves, so

[Datisi]

And i get why scum would undermune townreads in general but why would i start the game doing so *on you*?

like ok uhhh this actually bothers me more than i initially thought. like this feels like some sorta bad-faith question, because the answer is obvious - i was one of the only people that posted so far, and arguably had the weirdest entrance.

but like, this is bothering me because it's implying that scum!skitter would need to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me, and i feel like it's also trying to undermine any read on me by implying that i'm wrong for implying that scum!skitter would have to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me when like, i never did that, i just said it generally

idk if i'm getting across what i'm thinking, but i feel like it's implying that i said there's a much bigger level of "planned push" into skitter's og scumlean on me, and then debunking that "planned push", when that was not something i ever actually said. i found her og scumlean "weird" first, and then i thought of "they give a vibe of not wanting me to get townread", but i didn't imply that was her Original Plan when scumleaning me

jesus fuck this is a word salad that is not getting out correctly
does anyone understand what i'm trying to say

[Datisi]

if im wrong u and ich can live happily ever after in solved land

but if you're half right, then scum just got halfway there to their wincon?

[Datisi]

By pushing for 2 people to trust each other, you can hit the "jackpot" so to speak and if you miss twice it's not really a big deal.

what do you mean by "if you miss twice"?

also like. hitting the s/s pairing at first is incredibly difficult (and uhh, this ain't it chief) and like, if you're forcing the scummy people to pair, odds are (assuming your reads are above rand) you're gonna pair a t/s pair and screw the game up.

like maybe i'm tired, i get the "waiting for someone to trust them" is a scum strategy but i don't get how this is supposed to like, combat that

also while you're here, can you explain why you find me scummy? you stuck to that read from the beginning and at first i thought it was a joke, but if it's not i wanna hear it

[Datisi]

Pairs:
Pooky and PenguinPower
Also, SS and obvious DkKoba alt Ich Troje should never be a pair.

why are these a thing

[Datisi]

arguing mech / semantics / setup strategy is a thing scum often does because it's posting and presence but it's actively stopping game progress.

How often does this tell actually work?

it caught me as scum once

[Datisi]

what tell

[Datisi]

inb4 scumflip

[Datisi]

Haven't finished reading yet but agree with consensus that Skitter is town.

Datisi uses lowercase letters when he's scum.

I can't tell if this is a joke or not.

that is not a joke, i have used all lowercase in the last like, at least 10 scumgames i have had

why is skitter town?

[Datisi]

it caught me as scum once

hmm yeah it does seem like something scum-you would do.

reading your notes PT's though it seems like you think pretty differently as scum from most people. I feel like this is pretty unusual as a scum tactic. For instance, I talk about mechanics all the time and I never use it as an excuse to avoid content as scum.

if we weren't in the middle of a mafia game where you're conftown and i can't pretend to be sorting you by asking "how do you think that i think differently as scum than others?", i would ask that (yes i know that's not a question that would help me sort you, shut up). i know you always talk about mechanics, that's why i would never accuse you of being scum because of that.

[Datisi]

And i get why scum would undermune townreads in general but why would i start the game doing so *on you*?

like ok uhhh this actually bothers me more than i initially thought. like this feels like some sorta bad-faith question, because the answer is obvious - i was one of the only people that posted so far, and arguably had the weirdest entrance.

but like, this is bothering me because it's implying that scum!skitter would need to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me, and i feel like it's also trying to undermine any read on me by implying that i'm wrong for implying that scum!skitter would have to have a ~super special reason~ to push exactly me when like, i never did that, i just said it generally

idk if i'm getting across what i'm thinking, but i feel like it's implying that i said there's a much bigger level of "planned push" into skitter's og scumlean on me, and then debunking that "planned push", when that was not something i ever actually said. i found her og scumlean "weird" first, and then i thought of "they give a vibe of not wanting me to get townread", but i didn't imply that was her Original Plan when scumleaning me

jesus fuck this is a word salad that is not getting out correctly
does anyone understand what i'm trying to say

Since no one else did that I noticed, I want to say I do understand what you are trying to say: you're suggesting Skitter is taking your suggestion that she tried to prevent people townreading some town player (which just happened to be you, Datisi), and misrepped it as suggesting Skitter tried to prevent people townreading

Datisi specifically

, as a means of dismissing it.

However, Datisi, you

did

actually say in 105 that "this game is about townies getting correct townreads, and town!me is kinda... good at getting townread?" which contains an implicit suggestion that Skitter's motive would be preventing townreads on you specifically, not just on "some town player." So I don't know that you can fairly call that a misrepresentation.

ok, you managed to translate the first part into english, thank you

my other thoughts were that i *know* i said that i'm good at getting townread and that scum!skitt would like to undermine that. however, i meant it in a "scum!skitt would want to undermine townreads > she saw that i posted a weird intro > might as well start there, as the fact that i'm good at getting townread is *extra motivation* to start with me" way. and i get the feeling she's trying to turn it into me saying "scum!skitt decided pregame that she will undermine Exactly Me > therefore that was her *main motivation* to attack my intro" and that she's trying to debunk *that* version instead of addressing my original one

[Datisi]

i'm not concerned about my own image, i'm concerned about yours. basically, you started off the game calling me scummy for my intro - which by itself made me suspicious of you because i didn't think you can get a scumread on me for that. but maybe you saw something i didn't, so i'm gonna ask you about it to try to figure out if you actually *saw something* or if your read was *made up bullshit*

like, i kinda feel it's disingenuous to compare this to the "(?)" when that was much deeper into the game (where i was townread, but you were also townread, and we were basically playing white flag, and god help me if town!skitter is about to turn on me), while this was like, literally page two (where most reads are pretty much blank slates)

what do you think town!me would be focusing on here?
and /shrug on the vulture take

and because again, i'm decently good at getting myself townread as town, and because you gotta start somewhere, and arguably my intro was the only one / the most weird enough to go after?

i mean, from my (admittedly wrong) pov do you understand why i found your entrance to be scummy at that point?

and i actually don't think it's disingenuous to compare this to the (?) at all, that was the one thing i correctly read you off of last time so why would i *not* pay attention to similar vibes this time?

and idk what town-you *would* be focusing on here so much as what you currently are feels wrong

yeah i get it now, it's fine

in my mind, it makes sense that scum!me was panicking at the (?), because i kinda was (again, late-ish game, white flag, unable to properly defend myself, etc). i don't feel panicked at all right now, and if i try to think of this from an outside pov, it feels completely *normal* to me to be asking q's about early scumreads on myself. like idk, kinda stakes are much lower atm than they were, and i didn't/don't have much else to read you on, to the point i feel like the situations aren't comparable

and the more i type this the more i feel like this is a pointless argument that will get us nowhere because you've lowkey convinced me that maybe you did see enough similarities btwn the two situations, but i can't just *back out* of this argument now and i don't know how to tell you "yeah maybe you did see Things but like That Is How I Solve Early Game" without looking like i'm flailing and uhh mafia difficult

[Datisi]

i regret opening my mouth, i don't know how to explain why what i said there made sense to me in that moment

pedit: not there quite yet

[Datisi]

pedit literally nobody was townreading you at the time i said i was scumreading you so what townreads was i undermining ????

like
the future ones
that i have probably managed to kill before they're even born by now but you know

[Datisi]

pedit literally nobody was townreading you at the time i said i was scumreading you so what townreads was i undermining ????

actually like i feel The Vibe again bc to me it feels like it was obvious i was talking about "undermining potential future townreads" as opposed to "undermining current townreads" bc obviously the game was like half a page long

and like this again to me feels like you're taking *that* and responding to *that* bc it's ~easier~ but when i actually type that out it feels not nearly as strong as it did when i actually thought of it and now i'm second guessing and uh

i'm gonna go to sleep

[Datisi]

i tried to get some rest, it didn't work, this game is still not readable for me, but i will try

Ig we can force t3 to trust different people and see what happens / if they take it ...

I feel like t3/dats would be interesfing but also like maybe a50 shouls do stuff before we force pairings i'm realizing

i still don't get the idea behind this. like i get that scum wants a townie to trust them. but if you want to avoid that, then have an agreement to only have consensus townreads pair. i get it's fun and all to want to do a hero scum pair, but like. the most likely way that ends is with a free scum leave, because odds are you don't have the hero solve. (and right now you don't have it.)

hmm - what are the odds this is scum!s_s getting the trust of a townie, then galaxy brain not accepting it? he's still likely to leave the game early, but upon his redflip, t3 has a huge target on his back.

removing the tinfoil, i am getting scumpings from a50's posts. not sure why. very low confidence on it considering i blunder my read on him about always.

arguing mech / semantics / setup strategy is a thing scum often does because it's posting and presence but it's actively stopping game progress.

How often does this tell actually work?

it caught me as scum once

Mate, I'm sure if you voted the player that posts the 500th post you'd catch scum more often than that!!!

wait, so you're telling me that "mechposting" actually isn't a scumtell, and scum!me has been avoiding it like the plague for over a year for basically no reason? fucking hell

also uh
i really do not want to trust t3 here
like if i get an overwhelming majority on (1) we should try to solve the game with a hero flip (2) here are good reasons on why these two are the scumteam specifically, i'll do it, but like. i feel like that doesn't end pretty

309 doesn't give good vibes

hot? take: if ich is scum, their partner isn't in s_s/t3. like this spearheading to have them flip together feels a bit too... obvious/desperate for now. idk i feel like it's more likely to be a towncred farm than a "getting the buddy out of game" strategy

i almost started townreading umlaut for being lazy but then i remembered i probably shouldn't do that

i have way too many scumpings and like half a townread, that is sad

[Datisi]

How *are* you reading t3 btw?
Is there anybody yoh would trust?

i'm not, i have no clue how to read him
i can agree the stuff he's posted is scummy but i also know he's a Wacky Town Player so i won't even pretend to know what i'm talking about

people that i have at least some reason to trust, vaguely in the order of strength:

- s_s: probably town unless he's galaxy braining scum or his t3 partner is galaxy braining scum. but s_s is probably leaving anyway and i'm independently getting some vague townie pings in his interactions w me
- pengu: this is Vibes
- skitt: maybe i started attacking things that weren't there yesterday bc on a reread it doesn't seem All That Sensical and i can see what others are saying so i guess
- pooky: i kinda don't wanna think that scum!pooky plays like this here? like idk, asking for hero pairs and whatnot feels more like memey town!pooky than scum!pooky
- ich: i had like. one (1) good ping on them yesterday that i'm not even sure if it holds up anymore but i'm scraping the bottom of the barrel here

vulture is still null to me, and t3/a50 are "i actively do not want to trust you"

[Datisi]

oh right this game has 10 players, not 9
umlaut is around pooky/ich level, like "the style of play and the reads given vaguely remind me of town!umlaut but i have nothing solid to actually back this up with"

[Datisi]

skitt, i cannot genuinely compare his scumminess between the two games. i knew he was town in mbos12, all his posts were ~town posts~ to me. like yeah i agree he looks scummier here to me, but it's not because i actually compared his posts fairly

[Datisi]

i'm not, i have no clue how to read him
i can agree the stuff he's posted is scummy but i also know he's a Wacky Town Player so i won't even pretend to know what i'm talking about

Ig i'm having a hard time understanding why you arent just going: yeah he's scummy i think he's scum

because his behaviour is not enough for me to think he's scum

[Datisi]

i don't know and i don't townread him. and gun-to-head, i'd say he's scum. but like, i don't have anywhere near enough confidence level that he's scum to declare a scumread

why is "wacky untrustworthy null" such a problematic category?

[Datisi]

i'm refusing to call him scum because i don't scumread him, sure, but i'm effectively treating him as a scumread - i said i don't wanna pair with him, and i included him in my lowest two reads of the game. so like, why are the semantics a problem here? why is me saying "i don't have a confident enough scumread on t3 to declare him a scumread" such an issue? because i'm his partner and i'm that desperate to leave an avenue open to be able to more easily call him town later on?

[Datisi]

i really wanted to say "oh come on that's bullshit, i can easily call my partner scum, and then re-evaluate when needed based on whatever ends up happening in the game" because like, i've done that before, and i also really wanted to say that you're scum because this read feels forced, but when i reread 320 i can actually kind of see town!you come to that conclusion so *i guess*

gonna be one of those games

[Datisi]

i have one utter shit of a towngame a year, and this is the one

what do you mean by having s_s trust first? to try to "townclear" other players?

[Datisi]

oh, when you said "we want s_s to trust first", i thought it was "we want s_s to offer his trust to someone first", not "we want him out of the game early"

i think him leaving early is a good idea. not 100% with whom, though

[Datisi]

a50, why do you townread vulture so hard?

[Datisi]

what?

[Datisi]

i *understand* the townread on you >_>

[Datisi]

i keep trying to make a post how scum!s_s with partner!t3 probably doesn't take the trust of the first townie to offer it to him since of he did that and flipped scum, no way we ever let t3 pair with anyone

but the damn forum keeps logging me out

[Datisi]

i still think s_s is town regardless though

i'm prooobably fine with the s_s/umlaut dance pair

[Datisi]

also while i was on a walk i kind of started talking myself into scum!skitt again

@skitt, you called me out in mbos for "(?)" but you didn't call me out in c9++ for drilling the ic slot about their reads on me. ik you were town both times, but could you tell me what's the difference between the two, and why this game makes you think of me from mbos?

[Datisi]

Would like to hear more abt why u think i'm scum again

i keep going back and forth between "skitter really should know better here" and "the explanation she gives for her read is Fine". i still have a lingering feeling that this is a setup, because i genuinely think that stuff like "datisi asked about the reads on him" or "datisi isn't calling t3 scum" shouldn't be like, things that actually make you think i'm scum (in a vacuum, they feel more like funney nai things than anything else), but when i go over it and reread, your explanations seem Plausible Enough and it's annoying

[Datisi]

? i was playing a game

skitter should know better because... she's skitter? and has played with me enough and the reasons why she calls me scum are making me hmm

like i don't necessarily think you should be townreading me here (i'm always obvtown to myself so cannot give an accurate assessment there) but i don't think you should have a scumread on me for what you have and i'm trying to parse if it makes enough sense for town!you to have it and i feel like my opinion about it changes every time i look at this game

why are you turning the question into "should i be townreading you?"

[Datisi]

which to me implies that you think i shouldn't be scumreading you for the reasons i am, but it also doesn't seem like you think i should be townreading you so what sort of stance am i supposed to have on you here

like unless you think i ought to be townreading you here i'm not sure how me being suspicious of you is a problem

this is what i mean

like i feel like my post clearly said "i don't know if you should be townreading me here as i don't objectively know if my own play is townie, but i don't think you should be scumreading me for the reasons you are"

like "null" is a category that exist and that i'm pretty sure you've heard of? so i don't get why you're saying that "if you don't think i should be townreading you here then what's the problem with me scumreading you" as if those are the only two ways you can read a post and as if laws of the universe say that you *have* to have one of those reads on someone

this is also partly what i mean with "skitt should know better", like i still feel like it's obvious that if i say "i'm not sure if there exist good reasons to townread me right now", that that is

not

logically followed by "i can't object to people scumreading me for reasons i percieve as off", and it feels like skitt's latest posts are trying to imply it is and are calling me out on it

and this is giving me the same pings as earlier, with the whole "why would i undermine townreads on exactly you" and "there were no townreads on you so what was i undermining" - it feels like there are unspoken rules of conversation there (that wasn't skitt's plan from pregame; the future townreads from forming; and now that null is a thing) that skitter is conveniently ignoring when replying to me in order for her replies to make me look worse

maybe i'm expressing myself so terribly that those rules shouldn't be assumed (and if i am, someone other than skitter let me know), but that's the feeling i keep getting

[Datisi]

i'm p sure that if my read on you was 'null' you'd be unsatisfied as well, no?

?
"null" is boring but understandable. why did you even say this...?

[Datisi]

like "null" is a category that exist and that i'm pretty sure you've heard of? so i don't get why you're saying that "if you don't think i should be townreading you here then what's the problem with me scumreading you" as if those are the only two ways you can read a post and as if laws of the universe say that you *have* to have one of those reads on someone

?
what are you trying to say with this

i'm trying to say that in 397 you're going: if "i don't think you ought to be townreading me" then "you don't see how you being suspicious of me is a problem". you're basically implying that, because i said that i don't think there are good (objective) reasons to townread me right now, that i couldn't find scumreads on myself a problem.

i don't think that's right, because i find both of those to be true right now. i can agree that i'm not being objectively townie, but i can still call out scumreads on myself if i find them wrong. but you're going "if i shouldn't townread you, why is me scumreading you a problem", i feel like that's ignoring that fact that you can be null on someone, like it feels like you're saying you have to be one or the other. does that make more sense?

[Datisi]

i don't think you "ought" to be nullreading me, i just think you cannot be calling me out for finding scumreads on myself problematic on the grounds of "well you said you weren't being townie"

like if you had a super strong scumread on me but if was backed by reasons i found satisfactory, i wouldn't have a problem with you here

i agree we're arguing semantics but the problem is that my suspicion on you is very semantics-based ._.

[Datisi]

hmm?

[Datisi]

oh cool i love reasons. let me know when you can.

[Datisi]

re 412: i mean from my pov your 397 sounds like that so like idk anymore

[Datisi]

"you said you weren't being townie enough for me to townread, so why are you having a problem with my scumread on you"

is that not what 397 essentially says

[Datisi]

"not being townie" =/= "being scummy"
"not being townie" =/= "unable to find scumreads on me suspicious"

to me, your 397 seemed to imply at least one of the above, if not both

at this point i'm genuinely questioning my own english reading comprehension
i will try again at a time that is not 3am (and i told myself i was gonna go to bed earlier today, good one)

pedit: likewise

[Datisi]

i did not have any objections to s_s/umlaut
i think they're both town but i wouldn't be surprised if one of them flipped scum because this world does not like me so we'll see

a50, why do you townread vulture so hard?

Because I do.

so... this a "i can't talk about it" situation or you're pulling the read out of your ass?

at the very least if you flip scum we can just box out T3 and Dats and probably win.

why am i scum?

[Datisi]

admittedly I'm not as sold on T3/SS solve, it's been degrading since my hard accusation and now I see everyone as scummy

except vulture.

vulture is decidedly not scummy

and ig pooky.

?

[Datisi]

no, i'm asking you to elaborate

if you find almost everyone to be scummy, then either you found something in my play scummy (which i wanna hear about) or in the meantime you gained a townread on like most of the game (which i also want to hear about) because i cannot interact with one-liners

[Datisi]

i mean i am trying to but all the interactions are either [one liners that may or may not have relevance to the game that i cannot interact with] or [mudflinging with skitter]

"it'll be fine if we keep flipping town" yeah lmao

looking at the playerlist, i have at least some sorta townpings on everyone other than t3 and a50. (a50 is kind of an active scumread while t3 is still "fuck if i know".) but i'm not a fool to believe that i've nailed the scumteam on d1 here, so.

- skitter i now kind of think is +town that she decided to drop the fight rather then keep at it? like scum!skitter could definitely hold her weight there, it would easily clog up the thread, and i'm p sure she'd be smart enough to know that people would call her out for it.
- vulture i'm starting to like mostly for their comments around skitter/me, but it's still not very solid.
- you're similarly "sorta town" because i think i would expect scum!you to like, be positioning around things more, but you don't seem to either be pocketing anyone or trying to get into a position where you could brute force things, so there's that
- the townread i'm most requestioning rn is actually pooky? like i started off thinking that "he feels relaxed" and "he's emplying a pro-town strategy that is counter to how he played as sscum", but like, i don't think i actually have a reason why scum!pooky *wouldn't* be playing like this, so that read is probably the most likely one to drop

and pp feels like classic town!pp idk. it's been ages since i've seen scum!pengu but i'll trust my gut (and skitter) there for now

so i guess it's kinda like

[pp, s_s]
[ich, skitter, umlaut]
[vulture]
[pooky]
[t3]
[a50]

with the caveat that all of these feel very fragile and i would not be terribly surprised at any flip here

why do you think i'm not partnered with umlaut specifically?

[Datisi]

skitter, does that face means that you would like to talk to me about something

pedit: uhh lemme see
a50 just has an aura of feeling... off i guess? like the way he's expressing reads makes me think there's no actual deeper thought process behind them (like the vulture read, whatever 259 is) and i don't think i see any ~logical follow up~ with any of them? like it's weird to explain, i have a feeling town!a50 would somehow be doing something to sort this game and he's just Not

some posts like 247 pinged me as tonally off (not gonna claim to be an expert in that field but my gut said so so here we are), and the entirety of 338 (and its follow ups) felt like ~convoluted scum posting that doesn't actually help anyone~

you earlier said you got townpings on him, right? what gives?

[Datisi]

i mean if i could just get to a solid read on you i would, but unfortunately i cannot exactly control how i'm reading people

and uhh yeah i did not like that. maybe if i saw him do more Things other than that, i wouldn't have a problem with it, but something about his "plan" and the kinda weak annoyance around it make me think he doesn't care too much about it in the first place

maybe i'm just annoyed he practically ignored me earlier but probably not

[Datisi]

oh good, things happened in this game
part of me doesn't feel like reading since i'm prob just gonna get ignored anyways but

fwiw i would pair skitter/anyone over skitter/a50 here

ok i read, was planning to write how i'm annoyed at skitt's last post because "even if a50 flipped scum i will give no thought to dats being town" is incredibly annoying to read

and i was gonna say something about probably preferring skitt/ich and if there's a red in that we probably lose because i have a feeling if we don't win now, the game is fucked

but then ich did *that* and said they will not explain so i guess.

[Datisi]

that dance pair does not have my blessing either but at least the game is somewhat spicy

[Datisi]

so... wanna explain it now or?

[Datisi]

am i insane for thinking this was a planned interaction btwn ich/t3?

[Datisi]

whats the goal?

getting t3 into a pair? like, if t3 is scum, at this point they're not getting into a pair, unless *someone* does *something*. and considering earlier on ich shoved me into the poe bc i'm not towntelling and i generally feel like my play has been vibe-y as well, and all of a sudden there's a trust/untrust anf t3 appears 10 minutes later? like something rings off about this to me

[Datisi]

god i hope i'm wrong and that i'm about to get hardcarried.

[Datisi]

Koba!town - T3!Scum -> T3 would've accepted Koba

?
t3 hasn't had a chance to / hasn't acknowledged the trust yet...?

[Datisi]

the fuck is this game

and i know he was right there but he could've thought the untrust counted so the fact you were immediately saying that he would've accepted is weird

[Datisi]

are t3 and pooky Just Town for this or am i missing something?

[Datisi]

skitt can you untrust a50

if we have two townies here i don't see the need to risk it there

but like i am not scum and i don't get the fuck is happening here

[Datisi]

unless one of t3/pooky is scum 9000iq-ing this but

[Datisi]

Can t3 be scum with ich? Just to check

theoretically yes?

[Datisi]

i feel like pooky's post is overlooking scenarios where scum decides to big brain and not immediately accept things

that is not what i want to be thinking about, but something about this game feels off

if nobody is big braining then it's like basically guaranteed there is scum in skitt/a50. i'm wondering if there's a chance scum!pooky doesn't accept this immediately for Some reason

[Datisi]

the former person gets sussed for being unaccepted by a flipped scum

well yes
but i'm worrying if anyone is scum purposefully not accepting a townie to make them look bad after they flip

not necessarily that that is happening but this game doesn't make sense to me currently

[Datisi]

untrust: t3

why?

[Datisi]

you think t3 big brains enough to not accept any trust thrown his way?

i thought the trust mechanic was supposed to be fun the fuck is this

[Datisi]

what

[Datisi]

still betting on a50 redflip

either i'll be right or i'll be pleasantly surprised

(or skitter is scum and this game is beyond salvation but let's not go there)

[Datisi]

either one of t3/pooky is scum bigbraining for god knows what reason or there's a redflip incoming

because the team ain't ich/dats

i should be asleep but i kinda wanna stay up until the flip to see who's gonna pretend to be shocked the hardest

[Datisi]

well a50 has no reason to twilight troll

yes he does, if he truthfully said "lol i was scum", he'd have town!skitter immediately looking for his partner and trying to gamesolve

of course he's gonna say he was town

[Datisi]

i think this might actually be pooky/a50

i think pooky had a solid reason to not accept t3, which is get a50 (and skitter) out of the game first, probably easier to fool t3 tomorrow than it would be skitt bc you know she's gonna re-eval everyone and their dog in yelo

alternatively a50/ich but ehhh

*alternatively* skitt flips red now which uhhh hopefully not lol

[Datisi]

ugh i need to go sleep

@t3 if the game doesn't end and if you're town, don't you dare insta-trust anyone

the above goes for everyone but mostly for t3

still holding out some sorta hope that this is something like ich/t3 and i wake up to a town victory but this universe doesn't want me to have nice things

[Datisi]

am i insane for thinking this was a planned interaction btwn ich/t3?

oh look, one moment where i wasn't dumb

gg, thank for mod and thank for carry

[Datisi]

Pls shush datisi. Pls.

>_>

in my defense, it was either the Easy answer of ich/t3 or there was someone trying to galaxy brain it - and the universe usually doesn't give me freebies like this one