Nomic: Wiki Edition --- Finished (More or Less)

[Ircher]

Welcome to another game of Nomic, a game where you, the players, get to decide upon the rules. The idea is simple: players dictate the rules by drafting and voting upon proposals. The initial ruleset is posted below:

Code: Select all

Immutable Rules:
101: Players must follow all currently active rules.
102: A rule is active (except as excluded in 103) if it passes and has not
 been repealed or amended by another rule.
103: A rule is no longer active if it is completely overridden by another
 rule or repealed.
104: No rule shall be made to stop further amendments, additions, or deletions
 of the rules.
105: Five active players are required to make, vote upon, or pass proposals.
106: Inactive players automatically abstain on all proposals.
107: Voting threshold changes due to additional players or inactive players
 are considered instantly.
108: Immutable rules automatically override mutable rules unless an
 immutable rule specifies otherwise.
109: Whenever a mutable law conflicts with a mutable law, or an immutable
 law conflicts with an immutable law, the lowest ordinal shall take precedence
 unless otherwise dictated by the laws. If both defer to each other, then
 the number rule applies again.
110: All players are eligible to vote.
111: All immutable rules may be transmuted to mutable rules by unanimous
 consent.
112: Mutable rules may be transmuted to immutable rules by unanimous consent.
113: To calculate the total number of active votes, tally up the number
 of votes possessed by active players minus the votes of abstaining players.
114: All new rules are mutable.
115: In the initial ruleset, rules 101-118 are immutable, and rules
 201-214 are mutable.
116: It takes unanimous consent from all other players to override the
 moderator on the formatting of the game's associated wiki pages.
117: Players must follow the formatting and updating guidelines specified in
 the rules and by the moderator.
118: Players must help update the game status by adding their name when they
 vote for or against a proposal and by marking when a proposal has been
 accepted or rejected. (Note that these refer to updating the wiki pages.)

Mutable Rules:
201: All players are given one vote to vote Yea or Nea to proposals.
202: An inactive player is any player who has not posted for a total of
 72 hours.
203: Unless otherwise specified, immutable rules must be transmuted before
 they are amended or repealed.
204: Unless otherwise specified, all mutable rules require an absolute
 majority of active votes to amend or repeal.
205: New proposals begin at 301 and ascend in number. They are numbered
 in accordance to the time they are proposed regardless of whether they pass
 or fail.
206: New rules require an absolute majority of active votes to pass.
207: The game begins when there are at least five active players,
including the moderator.
208: There may be no more than five pending proposals at any given time.
 A pending proposal is a proposal that has not yet been marked as having
 passed or failed. 
209: Votes for proposals should be done using the vote tags and include
 "Yea" or "Nay" (and variants and any other options that are allowed in
 future rules) and include the proposal number.
210: It is the player's responsibility to number proposals correctly.
 Proposals with missing or incorrect numbers are automatically failed and
 are not added to the proposal history.
211: Players may VOTE: ABSTAIN # to abstain on a proposal. (Please use
vote tags or bold.)
212: To join, simply post /in.
213: All players start with 0 points.
214: The first player to reach 100 points wins the game.

To decrease the maintenance requirement, all changes will be made on my wiki pages that I have specifically made for this game. You should follow the general formatting I use there. The main page for this game is User:Ircher/Nomic, and that page links to the other pages. I will maintain a player list in this post, but all other official changes will be kept there.

Players:

1. Ircher
2. lendunistus
3. Jake the Wolfie
4. StrangerCoug
5. Deimos27
6. Aronis

Links to Previous Games:

These are previous versions of Nomic I've hosted listed in order of most recent to least recent. They should give you a feel for how these games work.

1. Nomic: The Constitution Game
   
2. Nomic: The game where YOU make the rules!
   
3. Nomic: Codename Phoenix
   
4. Nomic

This is the game author's thoughts on the game.

[Ircher]

Please invite your friends to join! We just need one more person!

[Ircher]

We now have 5, so people can start proposing stuff.

[Ircher]

I will pass it if you fix the typo "reffers". (Also as a side note, points are already in the rules, but I don't know if you would consider that a currency type.)

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 301
I will update the page, and 301 passes as of this post.

[Ircher]

Proposal 302: The player who proposes a proposal that passes gains 1 point. This rule is retroactive at the time of enactment.

VOTE: Yea 302

[Ircher]

That could potentially be another proposal, but I'm not editing my proposal to include that.

[Ircher]

Oh it has very little to do with win conditions. More to do with having points be something to work with. I would gladly approve a rule to amend the number of points needed to win to be higher.

(Also, this is a note for everyone but especially tris: the inactivity status is currently set at 72 hours, so make sure you post once every 3 days.)

[Ircher]

i’ve updated the wiki as of post 23
if that’s Ircher’s job, apologies but oh well

No, that's great! It's why this one is in the wiki format because sometimes the workload is really high otherwise.

oh you have to edit proposal history as well
I’ll get to that… sometime soon

That's actually less of a concern. As long as proposals are marked as passed/failed, we can always archive them later. (You can just keep them in the active proposals section; just make sure they have a line that says "Accepted/Rejected as of post #." That way, we know it's no longer active and doesn't count against the number of allowed active proposals.)

VOTE: Abstain 303
I'm not sure we really want a monarch.
VOTE: Yea 306
VOTE: Nay 307
I don't see the point of 307. Is that not what it already says?

[Ircher]

Meh. I think 202 is fine as-is, but I would accept the additional proposal (of posting making you active again). I think that's a very narrow way to view it semantically granted this is a game where people rules-lawyer, but I wouldn't say it's the most common interpretation.

[Ircher]

Yes ofc!

[Ircher]

Aye is acceptable.

As for 308, didn't we already pass something like that? It's probably not in the archive yet, but the main page should be mostly up to date.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Nay 308

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 309

[Ircher]

306 passed earlier when Deimos27 voted for it.

[Ircher]

If you would like to suggest a different way to earn points, I am more than happy to have that rule repealed. Again, the purpose is to give a way to earn points.

VOTE: Yea 310

[Ircher]

Well one thing I would like to implement is a points penalty for purposefully breaking the rules. We are currently at the proposal limit, but what do you think would be a good penalty value?

[Ircher]

I linked to some of the past ones I've done. It varies quite a bit. I think last time, we only had 5, but there are times when there are like 9-11 players.

Yeah, we probably need to implement some kind of judgement system as well.

[Ircher]

Here is an update on our current proposal statuses:

Spoiler:

Code: Select all

===Active Proposals===
Use the following format (and please make sure to have the initial space on each line!):

 Proposal ### (Post #) by Username: Text body.
 Yea - User1 (#), User2 (#), ...
 Nay - User3 (#), User4 (#), ...
 Not Voting - User5

----

 Proposal 303 (Post 19) by Jake The Wolfie: The Monarch is defined to be exactly one player at a time, who has special abilities that may later be defined. In addition, The Monarch may choose to abdicate their power to a player of their choice. If more than 3/4ths of all active non-Monarch players vote to overthrow the Monarch, then a new Monarch shall be picked with the old Monarch being ineligible for being picked. If a Monarch becomes inactive, a new Monarch shall be picked.
 If no player is currently the Monarch, whoever has the most points above 10 and is eligible shall become the Monarch. All inactive players are considered ineligible for becoming the Monarch.
 Yea - Jake The Wolfie (19)
 Nay - lendunistus (21), Deimos27 (42)
 Abstain - Ircher (33), StrangerCoug (41)
 Not Voting - tris, Charles510

 Proposal 307 (Post 31) by lendunistus: Amend rule 202
 An inactive player is any player who hasn't posted for 72 hours in a row.
 Yea - lendunistus (31), StrangerCoug (38), Deimos27 (42)
 Nay - Ircher (33)
 Not Voting - tris, Jake The Wolfie, Charles510

 Proposal 308 (Post 43) by StrangerCoug: Whenever a player makes a proposal, that player automatically votes Yea thereon by default.
 Yea - StrangerCoug (43)
 Nay - Deimos27 (45), Ircher (47), lendunistus (48)
 Not Voting - tris, Jake The Wolfie, Charles510

 Proposal 310 (Post 53, edited in post 57) by StrangerCoug: Players may withdraw proposals they have made that they no longer support by bolding "Withdraw ###", where ### is the number of the proposal that the player wishes to withdraw. A withdrawn proposal automatically fails. If this proposal passes while Proposal 308 is still pending, that proposal shall automatically be withdrawn and fail.
 Yea - StrangerCoug (57), Deimos27 (62), Ircher (66)
 Nay -
 Not Voting - tris, lendunistus, Jake The Wolfie, Charles510

 Proposal 311 (Post 66) by Jake The Wolfie: Shiny Rocks are a type of Currency. Each player gains 10 Shiny Rocks for each point that they gain, including retroactively.
 Yea - Jake The Wolfie (66)
 Nay - StrangerCoug (73), lendunistus (81)
 Not Voting - Ircher, tris, Charles510, Deimos27

[Ircher]

StrangerCoug, you can just vote nay to proposal 308 and kill it that way.

[Ircher]

Time to clean up some proposals...

VOTE: Nay 303. That kills it.
VOTE: Yea 307. Proposal 307 becomes rule 307.

[Ircher]

Isn't a majority 4, not 3?

StrangerCoug is abstaining on 303, but you would need his vote for it to pass. So the proposal ends up rejected because you need 4 to pass 303 but have 3 voting against it and 1 abstaining.

[Ircher]

It depends on your interpretation. That's not how I have typically done it in the past, but I do see that we don't have a rule that clarifies that scenario. The way I see it is that a proposal passes when it reaches a majority of votes needed; however, it fails as soon as it can no longer pass. You are free to re-propose the proposal as there is no such rule against such. This keeps proposals that are on the edge of getting the requisite votes but unable to from staying in limbo forever.

Proposal 312: If there is a disagreement about the application of a rule or an action that occurs, a player (hereby referred to the initiator) may request a more detailed explanation of the rules involved from the person who applied the rule or took the action (hereby referred to the executor). If the explanation does not satisfy the initiator, the initiator may appeal the decision to the group as a whole by posting in bold, "I request an executive review for [link to dispute]." (This process is called an "executive review".) Players besides the initiator and the executor may then vote (using vote tags) to agree with the initiator or agree with teh executor. Whichever receives a simple majority of votes becomes the final verdict. Only one such executive review may be active at any time.

[Ircher]

Can you explain why you didn't like it?
VOTE: Yea 313

[Ircher]

Perhaps, but things like that can be annotated in the change history, etc. Furthermore, sometimes even if something is useless, it may help steer things in the right direction just by being there.

[Ircher]

To be clear, abstentions are excluded from the calculation for simple majority, right? Otherwise they just become de facto nays. So if we have two abstentions and 7 players it would become 3 to pass. I do agree that proposals should fail when they can't pass, and that therefore includes situations where the vote is tied (or the best possible outcome remaining for the proposition is that the vote is tied).

Yes, this is correct. (This one is in fact properly covered by the current ruleset in unambiguous terms---active votes are defined in 113.)

VOTE: Yea 314
---
My vision for the game is that it will just end when we tire of it, but it would also be unlikely anyone actually wins. We can go off in any direction we would like.

[Ircher]

I thought about it and I'm gonna VOTE: Nay 315. I think a better idea is that you have to spend some kind of currency if you want to go over a soft cap of 5 active proposals. For instance, it could be that you have to spend 5 points to make an additional proposal if 5 proposals are already active.

[Ircher]

But that doesn't scale well, does it? If we got over 10 players here, then most players won't

have

points/currency to spend, or we'll have a flood of proposals.

I don't think it's a bad thing if spending currency, points, etc. to get more proposals is rare. I see it more as 1) providing a use for a currency/points (besides winning) and 2) allowing people to have the flexibility to propose things that they think are particularly important and cannot wait. A limit of five proposals is a good number and worked pretty well last time we played this. If we really do get a flood of ins and need a higher proposal limit, I'd rather make the change across the board for everyone's sake. (The current proposal cap becomes just one more thing that everyone has to keep track of, and it can become tricky when you take into account people going to inactive status.)

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 316

This will very likely be a thing I'll forget to update though. If it passes, others should probably make sure I remember to do this.

[Ircher]

Everything can just be priced accordingly. I don't think that will be that hard to balance.

[Ircher]

Ooh that sounds fun! So maybe something like this (these would probably each be their own proposal):

I.

The Establishment of the Nomic Reserve Bank:

An entity known as the Nomic Reserve Bank is hereby established upon the passage of this proposal.

II.

The Election of the Nomic Reserve Bank Board of Directors:

The Nomic Reserve Bank is managed by three elected officials known as the Reserve Bank of Nomic Board of Directors (or board of directors for short when the relevant context is the Reserve Bank of Nomic.) Every two weeks, a 2-day long election is held to determine who is on the board. Elections officially begin at 12:01 AM UTC on the day of the election and end the day after at 11:59 PM UTC. Votes are cast by secret ballot (i.e.: pm) to the current head director of the board and must list the player's three preferences for the board of directors in the order of preference. Players may not vote for themselves in any way, and any ballots received before the election starts or after the election ends will be considered invalid. The winner of the election is decided by employing a modified form of the Borda Count where a 1st preference counts as 5 votes, a 2nd preference counts as 3 votes, and a 3rd preference counts as 1 vote. All unlisted players receive 0 votes. Furthermore, the player amongst the three elected officials who is the Condorcet winner (i.e.: wins the most head-to-head matches against the other two elected officials) shall become the new head director of the board of directors. If there is a tie, the vote totals from the Borda Count should be used. If there is still a tie, the current head director of the board of directors may choose the new head director of the board of directors with the restriction that they cannot choose themselves. The election results shall be posted by the current head director of the board of directors within 24 hours of the election ending. At this point, power transfers from the prior board of directors to the newly elected board of directors. For the first election, the moderator shall preside as the current head director of the board of directors, and the first election shall begin at 12:01 AM UTC on the day following the passage of this proposal. All election data should be archived in some format following the example of the archiving of the first election.

III:

The Empowerment of Players to Create Currencies:

At any time, a player who has not yet made a currency may create a new currency by posting in bold, "I hereby establish the currency [Currency Name]. Its symbol is [Currency Symbol]." The player who creates the currency may make as little or as much of it as they like and may hand it out to whomever they choose in whatever nonnegative quantity they choose except when dictated otherwise by the current Board of Directors of the Nomic Reserve Bank. All new currencies hold no value when first created. A player may not establish more than one currency at once; the old currency must exit circulation first and then be officially dissolved as described in later rules.

IV:

Decision Making in the Board of Directors of the Nomic Reserve Bank:

All decisions made by the board of directors shall be done in a way agreed upon by the current board of directors. This decision in turn shall be decided by simple majority vote with the head director breaking any ties if need be. All decisions made by the board of directors should be archived, and for decisions requiring a vote, the archive shall indicate the position taken by each director on the decision.

V:

The Powers Granted to the Board of Directors of the Nomic Reserve Bank:

The following powers are hereby granted to the board of directors: 1) the power to determine exchange rates between various currencies 2) the power to dissolve currencies 3) the power to sanction players by imposing various restrictions on their currencies. The latter two powers shall be further described in future rules; however, if rules pertaining to those powers are not passed, then those powers are not granted.

VI:

The Power to Dissolve Currencies:

As established in V, the Board of Directors of the Nomic Reserve Bank wield the power to dissolve the currencies. They may do so simply by declaring in bold, "Currency [Currency Name] is hereby declared void," with following restrictions: 1) the currency must be out of circulation; this means that only the original creator of the currency possesses any nonzero amount of the currency and 2) the original creator of the currency must approve of the dissolution of the currency.

VII:

The Power to Sanction Players:

The Board of Directors of the Nomic Reserve Bank may place economic sanctions on players for any reason provided the decision is documented as established in IV. These sanctions are limited to the following: (note that the target refers to the player being sanctioned) 1) preventing the target from creating more of their currency or limiting how much of the currency can be made, 2) preventing the target's currency from being traded or lent, 3) preventing the target from making currency exchanges of any kind, or 4) preventing the target's currency from being exchanged in any form. All sanctions are temporary and may last no longer than 168 hours (1 week). The board of directors shall choose both the length and the nature of the sanction as described above, and they are empowered to apply multiple sanctions to a single player as well to reapply a sanction immediately after a previous one expired.

VIII:

Limitations on the Board of Directors of the Nomic Reserve Bank:

The Board of Directors of the Nomic Reserve Bank do not transcend the rules of the game. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else (except as described above), and furthermore, any and all of their decisions may be subjected to an executive review. Note that in the latter case, only the head director of the board of directors may be the subject of the executive review; that is, the head director shall be considered the "executor" for the purposes of an executive review and may not participate in the ensuing vote.

[Ircher]

Also, here is the list of currently active proposals:

Spoiler:

Code: Select all

===Active Proposals===
Use the following format (and please make sure to have the initial space on each line!):

 Proposal ### (Post #) by Username: Text body.
 Yea - User1 (#), User2 (#), ...
 Nay - User3 (#), User4 (#), ...
 Not Voting - User5

----

 Proposal 311 (Post 66) by Jake The Wolfie: Shiny Rocks are a type of Currency. Each player gains 10 Shiny Rocks for each point that they gain, including retroactively.
 Yea - Jake The Wolfie (66)
 Nay - StrangerCoug (73), lendunistus (81)
 Not Voting - Ircher, tris, Charles510, Deimos27

 Proposal 313 (Post 91) by StrangerCoug: A player may vote "[Yea/Nay] with reservations" on any proposal made after this rule, which shall henceforth be known as a vote with reservations. A player who does so should, but is not required to, explain the reservations the player holds that prevent an unqualified vote. A vote with reservations is indistinct from a normal vote for the purposes of calculating the number of votes needed to pass a proposal.
 Yea - StrangerCoug (91), Ircher (93), lendunistus (98)
 Nay - Jake the Wolfie (92), Deimos27 (99)
 Not Voting - tris, Charles510

 Proposal 314 (Post 104) by Deimos27: Amend 206: Proposals require an absolute majority of active votes to pass, where active votes are defined as those held by active non-abstaining players. Proposals fail as soon as they can no longer pass.
 Yea - Deimos27 (104), StrangerCoug (108), Ircher (110)
 Nay -
 Not Voting - tris, lendunistus, Jake The Wolfie, Charles510

 Proposal 315 (Post 106) by Jake The Wolfie: Amend Rule 208 to say the following: There may be no more than X pending proposals at any given time, where X is the largest of either 5, or 5 + 1/2 * (# of active players - 5), rounded down if necessecary. The only exception is when an active player becoming inactive would cause X to be less than the current number of proposals. A pending proposal is a proposal that has not yet been marked as having passed or failed.
 Yea - Jake The Wolfie (106), StrangerCoug (108)
 Nay - Ircher (111)
 Not Voting - tris, lendunistus, Charles510, Deimos27

 Proposal 316 (Post 115) by StrangerCoug: There is hereby created a currency called Nomic dollars, whose symbol shall be N$. Upon passage of this proposal, every current player, regardless of activity, shall earn N$1,000. Every new player who joins after the passage of this proposal shall thereby earn N$1,000. Every day at 00:00 UTC, every active player shall earn N$100. How many Nomic dollars each player has shall be noted in the Player Statuses section of the wiki.
 Yea - StrangerCoug (115), Ircher (116)
 Nay -
 Not Voting - tris, lendunistus, Jake the Wolfie, Charles510, Deimos27

I am thinking that if we go the reserve bank route, we should establish Nomic Dollars as the official currency for establishing exchange rates.

[Ircher]

Charles510 is at 72 hours and is thus now inactive. tris is also coming pretty close. I could prod people when they are coming close to the timer (say after 48 hours) if people would like me to do that. So that kills 311 with Deimos27's earlier vote. Other proposals seem to be on the cusp.

I think we will go ahead and establish the bank, but I would like for others to chime in on the other ones before we formally propose them.

Proposal 317:

The Establishment of the Nomic Central Bank

: An entity known as the Nomic Central Bank is hereby established upon the passage of this proposal.

---

Edit 12:50 AM: Actually I'm gonna

withdraw 317

for now. We will come back to it after some discussion, but I would like to replace it with the following proposal:

Proposal 318: Players may make motions in addition to proposals. Unlike proposals, which are permanent in nature, all motions are temporary and must cease to be in effect after a certain time. A maximum time limit shall be prescribed in a future rule. Motions are proposed, voted upon, passed, and failed in a similar manner as proposals. Numbering shall begin at M001 and increase with each proposed motion.

These worked rather well last time we played especially "1-second motions" for doing instant effects.

[Ircher]

We could make the sanctions require unanimity among the board. While I understand it may be concerning, I don't think it will be problematic in practice. All decisions made must be announced publicly and archived on the wiki. Furthermore, we have the tools of both executive reviews and motions to deal with any abuse of power. Executive reviews empower us to reverse any decision made by the board including sanctions. (It's worth noting they were initially meant for general rule disputes, but sanctioning a player definitely counts as an "action taken" and therefore falls under such legislation.)

With regards to the board itself, it is mainly an efficiency thing. Everyone voting on every exchange rate, etc. seems woefully inefficient especially if there is any dissent or absent players. It could work perhaps with our current numbers, but it doesn't scale well at all. Also, 318 passed.

[Ircher]

Okay, here is the revised thing based on some of the feedback I've garnered (again, these would each be their own proposal):

I.

The Establishment of the Nomic Central Bank:

An entity known as the Nomic Central Bank is hereby established upon the passage of this proposal.

II.

The Election of the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors:

The Nomic Central Bank is managed by three elected officials known as the Nomic Central Board of Directors (or board of directors for short when the relevant context is the Nomic Central Bank) Every two weeks, a 2-day long election is held to determine who is on the board of directors. Elections officially begin at 12:01 AM UTC on the day of the election and end the day after at 11:59 PM UTC. Votes are cast by secret ballot (i.e.: pm) to the current head director of the board of directors and must list the player's three preferences for the board of directors in the order of preference. Players may not vote for themselves in any way, and any ballots received before the election starts or after the election ends will be considered invalid. The winner of the election is decided by employing a modified form of the Borda Count where a 1st preference counts as 5 votes, a 2nd preference counts as 3 votes, and a 3rd preference counts as 1 vote. All unlisted players receive 0 votes. Furthermore, the player amongst the three elected officials who is the Condorcet winner (i.e.: wins the most head-to-head matches against the other two elected officials) shall become the new head director of the board of directors. If there is a tie, the vote totals from the Borda Count should be used. If there is still a tie, the current head director of the board of directors may choose the new head director of the board of directors with the restriction that they cannot choose themselves. The election results shall be posted by the current head director of the board of directors within 24 hours of the election ending. At this point, power transfers from the prior board of directors to the newly elected board of directors. For the first election, the moderator shall preside as the current head director of the board of directors, and the first election shall begin at 12:01 AM UTC on the day following the passage of this proposal. All election data should be archived in some format following the example of the archiving of the first election. All terms end at 11:59 PM UTC, and future elections begin at 12:01 AM UTC the day before the current term ends.

III:

The Empowerment of Players to Create Currencies:

At any time, a player who has not yet made a currency may create a new currency by posting in bold, "I hereby establish the currency [Currency Name]. Its symbol is [Currency Symbol]." The player who creates the currency may make as little or as much of it as they like and may hand it out to whomever they choose in whatever nonnegative quantity they choose except when dictated otherwise by the current Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors, other rules, and other motions. All new currencies hold no value when first created. A player may not establish more than one currency at once; the old currency must exit circulation first and then be officially dissolved as described in later rules.

IV:

Decision Making in the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors:

All decisions made by the board of directors shall be done in a way agreed upon by the current board of directors. This decision in turn shall be decided by simple majority vote with the head director breaking any ties if need be. All decisions made by the board of directors should be archived, and for decisions requiring a vote, the archive shall indicate the position taken by each director on the decision.

V:

The Powers Granted to the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors:

The following powers are hereby granted to the board of directors: 1) the power to determine exchange rates between various currencies 2) the power to dissolve currencies 3) the power to sanction players by imposing various restrictions on their currencies. The latter two powers shall be further described in future rules; however, if rules pertaining to those powers are not passed, then those powers are not granted. All exchange rates shall be officially posted in terms of Nomic dollars, and exchanges may be made both to and from Nomic dollars.

VI:

The Power to Dissolve Currencies:

As established in V, the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors wields the power to dissolve currencies. They may do so simply by declaring in bold, "Currency [Currency Name] is hereby declared void," with the following restrictions: 1) the currency must be out of circulation; this means that only the original creator of the currency possesses any nonzero amount of the currency and 2) the original creator of the currency must approve of the dissolution of the currency.

VII:

The Power to Sanction Players:

The Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors may place economic sanctions on players for any reason provided the decision is documented as established in IV and the entire board of directors agrees to the sanctions. These sanctions are limited to the following: (note that the target refers to the player being sanctioned) 1) preventing the target from creating more of their currency or limiting how much of the currency can be made, 2) preventing the target's currency from being traded or lent, 3) preventing the target from making currency exchanges of any kind, or 4) preventing the target's currency from being exchanged in any form. All sanctions are temporary and may last no longer than 72 hours (3 days). The board of directors shall choose both the length and the nature of the sanction as described above, and they are empowered to apply multiple sanctions to a single player as well to reapply a sanction immediately after a previous one expired. Note however that if the board of directors reapply a sanction, they must make the decision after the old one expires. In other words, the board of directors may not queue a new sanction to take hold immediately as the old one expires. Furthermore, further sanctions must be agreed upon and conducted in the same manner as the previous ones; bypassing the process in any way is prohibited.

VIII:

Limitations on the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors:

The Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors do not transcend the rules of the game. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else (except as described above), and furthermore, any and all of their decisions may be subjected to an executive review. Note that in the latter case, only the head director of the board of directors may be the subject of the executive review; that is, the head director shall be considered the "executor" for the purposes of an executive review and may not participate in the ensuing vote. In cases of egregious misuse of their power, a director may be removed from the board by a motion by the people. The slot shall remain vacant until the next election. If the head director is removed, the second place winner (as stipulated according to the rules in II) shall become the new head director. If the entire board is removed, a new election shall be held at the start of the next day according to the rules in II. The moderator shall preside as the head director for such an election unless a different person is appointed to this position in a motion.
---
So the main changes are 1) sanctions are now limited to 72 hours at a time instead of one week 2) clarity with regards to when terms end and when new elections are held and 3) VIII now stipulates procedures for removing people from the board of directors.

Will these positions be recallable at any time? Can they be replaced immediately if they wreak havoc on the players? How long will their terms be? Is the Nomic bank really necessary?

These changes should address most of these. As to necessity, no, but nothing is "necessary" really.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 319
Some more things with regards to motions, also from last game:

Proposal 320: Motions supersede mutable rules, but they do not supersede immutable rules.

This actually has no effect as it is currently due to rule priorities.

Proposal 321: Transmute rule 320 to immutable. This proposal automatically fails if 320 fails.

This one requires unanimous consent. It makes 320 have actual force.

[Ircher]

319 and 320 passed. Here is an update:

Spoiler:

Code: Select all

 Proposal 315 (Post 106) by Jake The Wolfie: Amend Rule 208 to say the following: There may be no more than X pending proposals at any given time, where X is the largest of either 5, or 5 + 1/2 * (# of active players - 5), rounded down if necessecary. The only exception is when an active player becoming inactive would cause X to be less than the current number of proposals. A pending proposal is a proposal that has not yet been marked as having passed or failed.
 Yea - Jake The Wolfie (106), StrangerCoug (108)
 Nay - Ircher (111), Deimos27 (128)
 Inactive - Charles510 (130), tris (131)
 Not Voting - lendunistus

 Proposal 321 (Post 146) by Ircher: Transmute rule 320 to immutable. This proposal automatically fails if 320 fails.
 Yea - Ircher (146), StrangerCoug (147), Deimos27 (148)
 Nay -
 Inactive - Charles510 (130), tris (131)
 Not Voting - lendunistus, Jake The Wolfie
 <i>This proposal requires unanimous consent to be approved.</i>

I'm going to go ahead and send tris and Charles510 a reminder about the game's existence.

[Ircher]

Ah, but we're not just interested in objections here. We would like for it to be in the best condition it can be when it is brought to the table. Do you have any suggestions or things you think should be done differently even if you don't object to them?

[Ircher]

So Jake.... What do I have to do to convince you to vote Yea to 321? Also, I'm pretty sure 315 was rejected as of Charles510's vote so we only have one outstanding proposal.

do I have to edit the wiki now?

I just went ahead and did it, but it is encouraged to do it as soon as you get a chance. (You don't have to do it immediately per say, just in a reasonable time frame.)

[Ircher]

.................Come on, what if I gave you N$850 and a one-use coupon that you can redeem to secure my vote on a single proposal or motion?

[Ircher]

Motion M001: Jake The Wolfie shall be called Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle, for one week (168 hours) upon the passing of this motion provided that he votes for proposal 321. This shall be reflected in all relevant places.

VOTE: YEA M001

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 322
VOTE: Yea 323

[Ircher]

322 passed as of StrangerCoug's post.

[Ircher]

I will do both as soon as lendunistus votes Yea to it.

[Ircher]

Why

is

it important for motions to bypass mutable rules, Ircher? Do you have any examples in mind?

Well an example of one from the last game was when I was trialing out extending the number of allowed active proposals. Now, you may argue, "Oh, you could just amend it and then amend it back if it didn't work out," but that misses the point completely. One of the nice things about motions is that they are temporary, and there is no extra work involved in getting rid of unfavorable motions because they will expire naturally. I think the other thing to consider here is that aside from one-time effects and trialing new rules, motions can be used in a reactionary way. While perhaps most reactionary actions will not require the motion to override the set of mutable rules, some will, so it is best to have it in the rules beforehand that way when it is needed, it can be invoked.

VOTE: Yea 324

[Ircher]

We also need another vote to pass M001

Give Jake The Wolfie N$850

[Ircher]

Before 321 is accepted, I must also receive that coupon from Ircher, as per the condition.

I will update the wiki, but consider it done.
Edit: It is listed now on the wiki. Is that sufficient, or would you like a more formal thing with it? (If the latter, it probably entails making some kind of motion.)

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 325
VOTE: Yea M002
It could possibly be rewritten; I had a bit of trouble parsing it.

[Ircher]

Ah that's a good point. You probably want to fix that.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea M002

[Ircher]

Why are inactive players getting money? Shouldn't tris still be at N$1,000 and Charles510 at N$1,100?

I didn't read it carefully enough. I believe that is correct actually.

[Ircher]

M002 should pass with that.

Buy 1 Vote Coupon
Give Vote Coupon to Jake The Wolfie

With that, proposal 321 passes.

[Ircher]

I counted, and I think Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle only has 4 points for 301, 322, 323, and 324. This is at least what I have with regards to the archive. (Motions don't count as they are "proposed motions" and not proposals.) Can someone else double-check this?

With regards to 326, that sounds like a good idea. I added a subsection for the shop under player statuses, but we could certainly move it to a new page.
VOTE: Yea 326

[Ircher]

So relating to statute III of the Nomic Central Bank: it may be wise to require the BoD to approve changes to the supply of a currency, or at least to automatically invalidate the current exchange rate of a currency whenever its supply is changed, to prevent people "printing money" to take advantage of an exchange rate in the short term and buying out the shop.

Perhaps something like:

A player can print more of their currency at any time and in any quantity by posting in bold a request to do so in the format '

Print: X [currency]

', but they may not do so more often than once every 48 hours. The BoD of the Nomic Central Bank is required to produce a statement approving the change and declaring an update to the exchange rate (which may be that the currency is deemed valueless) within 48 hours of the request. When the statement is published the changes in the currency supply and its exchange rate go into effect simultaneously and immediately. When money is printed it is printed into the inventory of the owner of the currency. Some of a currency may be requested to be removed from circulation by the same mechanism by printing a negative X, but this can only remove from circulation money in the inventory of the owner and it cannot bring that quantity below 0.

Am open to fiddling with the time periods.

I like this! I think we will give the bank another day for discussion in which I'll make a final draft and then it'll come to a vote.

[Ircher]

What if we had Mana?

That be cool. We could gain it from items and then have other items use it up.

[Ircher]

I think because Charles left, and because tris is inactive, majority is now 3

This is correct. Proposal 326 passes; thus, we have no active proposals at the moment.

Re: Vote Tokens: I think rule 201 would have to be amended for those to have any effect.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 327
VOTE: Yea 328
I think that passes both leaving us with no proposals again.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea M003.
M003 passes as well.

[Ircher]

Here is the final draft of the Nomic Central Bank proposal. I will put the first four clauses up to a vote tomorrow afternoon assuming there is space and no last minute changes need to be made. Speak now if you have any more suggestions for it.

I.

The Establishment of the Nomic Central Bank:

An entity known as the Nomic Central Bank is hereby established upon the passage of this proposal. The bank shall receive its own subsection under the player statuses section of the wiki listing the current board of directors and the date of the next election as elaborated in future rules. The shop page shall list the currently active exchange rates.

II.

The Election of the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors:

The Nomic Central Bank is managed by three elected officials known as the Nomic Central Board of Directors (or board of directors for short when the relevant context is the Nomic Central Bank) Every two weeks, a 2-day long election is held to determine who is on the board of directors. Elections officially begin at 12:01 AM UTC on the day of the election and end the day after at 11:59 PM UTC. Votes are cast by secret ballot (i.e.: pm) to the current head director of the board of directors and must list the player's three preferences for the board of directors in the order of preference. Players may not vote for themselves in any way, and any ballots received before the election starts or after the election ends will be considered invalid. The winner of the election is decided by employing a modified form of the Borda Count where a 1st preference counts as 5 votes, a 2nd preference counts as 3 votes, and a 3rd preference counts as 1 vote. All unlisted players receive 0 votes. Furthermore, the player amongst the three elected officials who receives the most votes shall become the new head director of the board of directors. If there is a tie, the current head director of the board of directors may choose the new head director of the board of directors with the restriction that they cannot choose themselves. The election results shall be posted by the current head director of the board of directors within 24 hours of the election ending. At this point, power transfers from the prior board of directors to the newly elected board of directors. For the first election, the moderator shall preside as the current head director of the board of directors, and the first election shall begin at 12:01 AM UTC on the day following the passage of this proposal. All election data should be archived in some format following the example of the archiving of the first election. All terms end at 11:59 PM UTC, and future elections begin at 12:01 AM UTC the day before the current term ends. The exact same board of directors may not be elected three times in a row.

III:

The Empowerment of Players to Create and Manage Currencies:

At any time, a player who has not yet made a currency may create a new currency by posting in bold, "I hereby establish the currency [Currency Name]. Its symbol is [Currency Symbol]. An initial [Amount] shall be printed." The amount specified in the initial creation is the initial supply of the currency, and the creator shall be granted that amount of currency. All newly created currency hold no value until an exchange rate is established by the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors (as described in future rules). A player may at any time post in bold, "Print [Positive Amount] [Currency Name/Symbol]," to print more of the currency. The board of directors must approve and decide upon a new exchange rate before the currency is actually printed. The board of directors may not reject a request to print money without going through the official sanctioning process (as described in future rules). A player may also post in bold "Destroy [Positive Amount] [Currency Name/Symbol]," to remove currency they created from circulation. To remove currency from circulation, the currency must be in the inventory of the creator and cannot bring the creator below 0 of that currency. A player may only establish and be the primary manager for a single currency; the old currency must exit circulation first and then be officially dissolved as described in later rules.

IV:

Decision Making in the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors:

All decisions made by the board of directors shall be done in a way agreed upon by the current board of directors. This decision in turn shall be decided by simple majority vote with the head director breaking any ties if need be. All decisions made by the board of directors should be archived, and for decisions requiring a vote, the archive shall indicate the position taken by each director on the decision.

V:

The Powers Granted to the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors:

The following powers are hereby granted to the board of directors: 1) the power to determine exchange rates between various currencies 2) the power to dissolve currencies 3) the power to sanction players by imposing various restrictions on their currencies. The latter two powers shall be further described in future rules; however, if rules pertaining to those powers are not passed, then those powers are not granted. All exchange rates shall be officially posted in terms of Nomic dollars, and exchanges may be made both to and from Nomic dollars.

VI:

The Power to Dissolve Currencies:

As established in V, the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors wields the power to dissolve currencies. They may do so simply by declaring in bold, "Currency [Currency Name] is hereby declared void," with the following restrictions: 1) the currency must be out of circulation; this means that only the original creator of the currency possesses any nonzero amount of the currency and 2) the original creator of the currency must approve of the dissolution of the currency.

VII:

The Power to Sanction Players:

The Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors may place economic sanctions on players for any reason provided the decision is documented as established in IV and the entire board of directors agrees to the sanctions. These sanctions are limited to the following: (note that the target refers to the player being sanctioned) 1) preventing the target from creating more of their currency or limiting how much of the currency can be made, 2) preventing the target's currency from being traded or lent, 3) preventing the target from making currency exchanges of any kind, or 4) preventing the target's currency from being exchanged in any form. All sanctions are temporary and may last no longer than 72 hours (3 days). The board of directors shall choose both the length and the nature of the sanction as described above, and they are empowered to apply multiple sanctions to a single player as well to reapply a sanction immediately after a previous one expired. Note however that if the board of directors reapply a sanction, they must make the decision after the old one expires. In other words, the board of directors may not queue a new sanction to take hold immediately as the old one expires. Furthermore, further sanctions must be agreed upon and conducted in the same manner as the previous ones; bypassing the process in any way is prohibited.

VIII:

Limitations on the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors:

The Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors do not transcend the rules of the game. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else (except as described above), and furthermore, any and all of their decisions may be subjected to an executive review. Note that in the latter case, only the head director of the board of directors may be the subject of the executive review; that is, the head director shall be considered the "executor" for the purposes of an executive review and may not participate in the ensuing vote. In cases of egregious misuse of their power, a director may be removed from the board by a motion by the people. The slot shall remain vacant until the next election. If the head director is removed, the second place winner (as stipulated according to the rules in II) shall become the new head director. If only one person is left on the board, a new election shall be held at the start of the next day according to the rules in II. The moderator shall preside as the head director for such an election unless a different person is appointed to this position in a motion.
---
Major changes from the last draft:
1) The determination of the head director has been simplified.
2) The currency clause (III) now adopts something similar to what Deimos27 described in 219.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Abstain 329

I like recruitment bonuses in principle, but I don't know whether points is really the right award here.

[Ircher]

We could just amend 314 to read, "Proposals require an absolute majority of active votes to pass unless the proposal would cause a player to win immediately or within 72 hours without further action from said player. If the latter is true, unanimous consent is needed, and furthermore, at least one of the votes must not be forced. (Examples of forced votes would include but are not limited to using vote coupons.) Proposals fail as soon as they can no longer pass." (Note, I removed the redundancy of defining active votes since those are already defined in rule 113.)

[Ircher]

72 hours is more than enough to repeal any rule that would cause a win of some sort. It's vulnerable to two players acting in concert, sure, but at that point, there isn't much you can do anyway.

VOTE: Abstain 330

[Ircher]

Bid N$225.

[Ircher]

The exact same board of directors may not be elected three times in a row.

Can I ask for clarification on this?
I assume it means the same 3 people cannot be re-elected three times in a row even if the head director changes between them. Will this be enforced by going directly into another election if the results end up the same for the third time? Or is it done by e.g. excluding the person of the 3 with the lowest vote total and replacing them for the 4th place finisher? There are many ways to implement this in practice.

I will clarify it, but yes, it means the same set of people regardless of role. With regards to how it is implemented, we will go with the latter: if the same board is elected, the fourth place winner shall replace the third place winner.

Proposal 329: Proposals and motions to instantly give a player or a group of player a set amount of points are forbidden.

might solve the problem of just being able to win outright if you have enough vote coupons

or just abolish vote coupons idk

Unfortunately, this is invalid because we already have proposals 329 and 330. (I understand the wiki is a bit out of date right now.)

[Ircher]

Bet N$300.01.

[Ircher]

And so, the Nomic Central Bank shall come to the voting floor:

Proposal 331:

The Establishment of the Nomic Central Bank

: An entity known as the Nomic Central Bank is hereby established upon the passage of this proposal. The bank shall receive its own subsection under the player statuses section of the wiki listing the current board of directors and the date of the next election as elaborated in future rules. The shop page shall list the currently active exchange rates.

Proposal 332:

The Election of the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors

: The Nomic Central Bank is managed by three elected officials known as the Nomic Central Board of Directors (or board of directors for short when the relevant context is the Nomic Central Bank) Every two weeks, a 2-day long election is held to determine who is on the board of directors. Elections officially begin at 12:01 AM UTC on the day of the election and end the day after at 11:59 PM UTC. Votes are cast by secret ballot (i.e.: pm) to the current head director of the board of directors and must list the player's three preferences for the board of directors in the order of preference. Players may not vote for themselves in any way, and any ballots received before the election starts or after the election ends will be considered invalid. The winner of the election is decided by employing a modified form of the Borda Count where a 1st preference counts as 5 votes, a 2nd preference counts as 3 votes, and a 3rd preference counts as 1 vote. All unlisted players receive 0 votes. Ties for the third spot are broken by the current head director with the restriction that the current head director may not choose themselves. Furthermore, the player amongst the three elected officials who receives the most votes shall become the new head director of the board of directors. If there is a tie, the current head director of the board of directors may choose the new head director of the board of directors with the restriction that they cannot choose themselves. The election results shall be posted by the current head director of the board of directors within 24 hours of the election ending. At this point, power transfers from the prior board of directors to the newly elected board of directors. For the first election, the moderator shall preside as the current head director of the board of directors, and the first election shall begin at 12:01 AM UTC on the day following the passage of this proposal. All election data should be archived in some format following the example of the archiving of the first election. All terms end at 11:59 PM UTC, and future elections begin at 12:01 AM UTC the day before the current term ends. The exact same set of people may not be elected to the board of directors three times in a row. If this occurs, then the fourth place winner shall take the spot of the third place winner. This proposal fails if proposal 331 fails.

The only things I changed about 332 from the time of the final draft is to give a tiebreaker if there is a tie for the last seat and to clarify the term limits aspect.

Proposal 333:

The Empowerment of Players to Create and Manage Currencies

: At any time, a player who has not yet made a currency may create a new currency by posting in bold, "I hereby establish the currency [Currency Name]. Its symbol is [Currency Symbol]. An initial [Positive Amount] shall be printed." The amount specified in the initial creation is the initial supply of the currency, and the creator shall be granted that amount of currency. All newly created currency hold no value until an exchange rate is established by the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors (as described in future rules). A player may at any time post in bold, "Print [Positive Amount] [Currency Name/Symbol]," to print more of the currency. The board of directors must approve and decide upon a new exchange rate before the currency is actually printed. The board of directors may not reject a request to print money without going through the official sanctioning process (as described in future rules). A player may also post in bold "Destroy [Positive Amount] [Currency Name/Symbol]," to remove currency they created from circulation. To remove currency from circulation, the currency must be in the inventory of the creator and cannot bring the creator below 0 of that currency. A player may only establish and be the primary manager for a single currency; the old currency must exit circulation first and then be officially dissolved as described in later rules. This proposal fails if proposal 331 fails.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Nay M004

I have a few problems with the implementation: 1) Fix the grammar (i.e.: you have a few extra commas) 2) This shouldn't award points 3) The timing should be at least 48 hours probably 72 hours tbh and 4) This shouldn't be retroactive. Change all of those, and I will reconsider.

[Ircher]

M004 and Proposal 329 both fail.
Proposals 331, 332, and 333 pass.

The first election starts in (expired on 2021-11-04 00:01:00).
The first election shall end in (expired on 2021-11-05 23:59:00).

If someone else wants to post the remaining clauses for some points, you are more than welcome to. I don' t think anything else needs to be changed since the last draft. If not, I will post them tomorrow morning.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 334
VOTE: Yea 335
VOTE: Yea 336

[Ircher]

VOTE: Nay 337
???

Should I make a motion to just like have proposal 337 stricken entirely from the records?

[Ircher]

Don't forget to get your election votes in.

Proposal 338:

The Power of the Nomic Central Bank to Sanction Players

: The Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors may place economic sanctions on players for any reason provided the decision is documented as established in rule 334 and the entire board of directors agrees to the sanctions. These sanctions are limited to the following: (note that the target refers to the player being sanctioned) 1) preventing the target from creating more of their currency or limiting how much of the currency can be made, 2) preventing the target's currency from being traded or lent, 3) preventing the target from making currency exchanges of any kind, or 4) preventing the target's currency from being exchanged in any form. All sanctions are temporary and may last no longer than 72 hours (3 days). The board of directors shall choose both the length and the nature of the sanction as described above, and they are empowered to apply multiple sanctions to a single player as well to reapply a sanction immediately after a previous one expired. Note however that if the board of directors reapply a sanction, they must make the decision after the old one expires. In other words, the board of directors may not queue a new sanction to take hold immediately as the old one expires. Furthermore, further sanctions must be agreed upon and conducted in the same manner as the previous ones; bypassing the process in any way is prohibited. This proposal automatically fails if proposal 339 fails (see below).

Proposal 339:

Limitations on the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors

: The Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors do not transcend the rules of the game. They are subject to the same rules as everyone else (except as described in rules pertaining to the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors), and furthermore, any and all of their decisions may be subjected to an executive review. Note that in the latter case, only the head director of the board of directors may be the subject of the executive review; that is, the head director shall be considered the "executor" for the purposes of an executive review and may not participate in the ensuing vote. In cases of egregious misuse of their power, a director may be removed from the board by a motion by the people. The slot shall remain vacant until the next election. If the head director is removed, the second place winner (as stipulated according to the rules in 332) shall become the new head director. If only one person is left on the board, a new election shall be held at the start of the next day according to the rules in 332. The moderator shall preside as the head director for such an election unless a different person is appointed to this position in a motion.

VOTE: Abstain M005

[Ircher]

I'm going to remind lendunistus about this game since lendunistus is coming pretty close to the inactivity timer.

[Ircher]

Election 1 Results for the Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors:

The voter is listed across the top and their preferences are placed in the relevant location in the table.

Preference	Ircher	lendunistus	Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle	StrangerCoug	Deimos27
1st (5)	StrangerCoug	Ircher	StrangerCoug	No submission	Ircher
2nd (3)	Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle	Deimos27	lendunistus	No submission	StrangerCoug
3rd (1)	Deimos27	StrangerCoug	tris	No submission	lendunistus

Thus, the vote totals are as follows:

Candidate	Vote Total
Ircher	10
lendunistus	4
Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle	3
StrangerCoug	14
Deimos27	4
tris	1

Hence, StrangerCoug is our first head director, and Ircher has also been elected. We have a tie for 3rd place, so as stipulated in the rules, I get to break the tie. I will break the tie in favor of Deimos27, so your first Nomic Central Bank Board of Directors is as follows:

1. StrangerCoug (Head Director)
2. Ircher
3. Deimos27

[Ircher]

Proposal 330 will expire in about an hour. We still have 337, 338, 339, and M005 pending as well.

[Ircher]

I hereby establish the currency Knowledge Points. Its symbol is KP. An initial supply of 25'000 KP shall be printed.

pedit: While we are at it, we should also change it where you cannot vote for inactive players. I wouldn't necessarily invalidate ballots if a player goes inactive after the ballot is submitted, but if they are inactive at the time of submission, they shouldn't be a valid candidate.

[Ircher]

So the first order of business for the board is to decide how we are going to make decisions. We can do majority voting, but we don't necessarily have to. We also don't necessarily have to do the voting in this thread (though the voting must be documented on the wiki in some fashion). It's up to y'all as to what you think is best.

Also, 338 and 339 pass.

[Ircher]

330 has expired. It is therefore rejected. We need more proposals.

Spoiler: Active Discussions as of this post

Code: Select all

===Active Discussions===

====Pending Proposals====
Use the following format (and please make sure to have the initial space on each line!):

 Proposal ### (Post #) by Username: Text body.
 Yea - User1 (#), User2 (#), ...
 Nay - User3 (#), User4 (#), ...
 Not Voting - User5

Also, once a proposal is accepted or rejected, it should be removed and added to the archive. '''If you don't have time to archive it, then simply mark it as accepted/rejected and leave it where it is'''. Please do not remove accepted/rejected proposals without archiving them.

----

 Proposal 337 (Post 316) by Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle: ªpple
 Yea - Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle (316)
 Nay - Ircher (317), Deimos27 (321)
 Inactive - tris (131)
 Not Voting - lendunistus, StrangerCoug

====Pending Motions====
Use the same format as for proposals. The time limit should be part of the actual proposed motion. Please remember also that motions should be archived like proposals. (If you don't have time to archive them, just mark it as accepted/rejected and don't remove it.)

 Motion M005 (Post 319) by Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle: Should proposal 337 pass, Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle will not gain 1 point for it. This motion lasts for either 168 hours or until 337 passes, whichever is shorter. This will fail if proposal 337 fails.
 Yea - Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle (319)
 Nay -
 Abstain - Ircher (320), StrangerCoug (338)
 Inactive - tris (131)
 Not Voting - lendunistus, Deimos27

[Ircher]

I think you both raise good points, but I don't think there is an easy way to solve both situations simultaneously. Like many things, there is a trade off between the two. I think Deimos's suggestion of changing the point distribution if you don't want to write in a preference might be a ways towards a solution, but I'm not certain that's really worthwhile. As it currently stands, you either have to vote for three candidates or not at all.

pedit: 306. I kinda don't like that rule actually, at least not as implemented.

Edit:

How to earn Knowledge Points!

* Knowledge Points are earned, not given. You may do with them as you wish once you receive them, but I will not be just handing them out.
* As the name implies, Knowledge Points are earned based on demonstrating knowledge of some sort. This can take a variety of forms.
* For each well-thought out proposal (even if I don't necessarily agree with it), you will earn 20 KP. Note that the proposal /must/ be well thought out. Proposals that are nonsensical or made up on the spur of the moment do not qualify. A good way to ensure your proposal qualifies is to draft it before bringing it to a formal vote.
* During discussions, if you present a well-thought out perspective on an issue, I will award you a number of KP I deem appropriate. It will be at least 5 KP, but it could be more based on how well-thought out and comprehensive it is!
* Justifying a vote with a coherent explanation will net you 1 KP.
* I may do a question of a day. Googling the specific answer is prohibited unless I state otherwise, but using physical books, notes, etc. is fine. Online tools like graphing and numerical calculators (not symbolic ones like WolframAlpha) are also okay. If I do a question of the day, it is very likely it will be biased towards mathematics. The first player to answer correctly will receive 15 KP. I obviously have no way of enforcing this, so we will operate on the honor system.
* KP may be earned in other ways at my discretion.
* These rules are subject to change as I deem fit. I am not bound to these rules, but I will try to stick to them.

[Ircher]

One additional rule for QoTD (Question of the day): You only get 2 guesses a day, and your second guess must be at least eight hours after your first.

Question of the Day #1

Category: Physics
Question: What physical law describes the force between two point charges? (Note: Spelling counts.)
Bonus: You will gain an extra 3 KP if you provide the correct mathematical formulation of the law in addition to the name. You must state what each variable means; however, constants may simply be specified as constants without naming the specific constant or its value. Units are optional here as well.

[Ircher]

I am only judging the bonus question if you get the initial question correct.

[Ircher]

A player may choose to rank as many or as few players onto each line as they want, however each other player's name may only appear once in their ranking, even if this would cause multiple or no players on each rank. (So, a player may rank 2 or more players in 2nd, and may choose to not rank anyone at 1st).

How do you think the points should be distributed in this case? I agree allowing a candidate to withdraw sounds like a good idea.

[Ircher]

Knowledge Point Awards:

Give Deimos27 8 Knowledge Points

for 359 and 367.

Give Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle, 7 Knowledge Points

for 363, 374, and 375
---
I think the suggestion in 381 is on the right track. If we go that route, I think a voting power of 9 makes sense since that's the current voting power.
---

Intuitively I'd like making decisions elsewhere to keep this thread streamlined on legislation but I also appreciate that it decreases transparency and might be less convenient than having everything related to the game in the same place.

I'd say formal voting is unnecessary if we get verbal consensus from everyone, and in general we should aim for such consensus first and use formal majority voting as a last resort.

Thoughts on this StrangerCoug? I'm in favor of not really doing formal voting simply because that can needlessly slow things down. As to hosting it elsewhere, I don't think it is too much of a distraction to just do it in the thread. Ideally, we aren't going to be ruling on too much anyway.

I hereby establish the currency Crowns. Its symbol is kr. An initial supply of 1 000 kr shall be printed.

I better get in on this.

What do you plan on doing with these Crowns?

[Ircher]

27 minutes left for my question. Even if you are unsure, feel free to guess. You don't lose anything for an incorrect response (except not being able to guess again for eight hours, but with 30 minutes left, that is kind of moot).

One additional rule for QoTD (Question of the day): You only get 2 guesses a day, and your second guess must be at least eight hours after your first.

Question of the Day #1

Category: Physics
Question: What physical law describes the force between two point charges? (Note: Spelling counts.)
Bonus: You will gain an extra 3 KP if you provide the correct mathematical formulation of the law in addition to the name. You must state what each variable means; however, constants may simply be specified as constants without naming the specific constant or its value. Units are optional here as well.

[Ircher]

I am afraid that is incorrect.

The answer I was looking for was either

Coulomb's Law

or

Coulomb's Inverse Square Law

. Deimos27 did in fact post the correct scalar formulation of the law. I will

give Deimos27 1 Knowledge Point

as a consolation prize.

Question of the Day #2

Category: Literature
Question: Which well-known Russian author's works include "Eugene Onegin", "The Belkin Tales", "The Queen of Spades", and "I Loved You"? (Again, spelling counts; however, I will accept two forms for the author's name. You must provide both a first and last name.)

To incentivize more people to participate, you will gain 1 Knowledge Point from me if you give a reasonable guess. It is up to me to decide what constitutes reasonable.
---
Also, the board should decide on an exchange rate for Crowns and Knowledge Points. I am currently thinking maybe N$1 = 50 KP for now would be reasonable. For crowns, since there are less of them, perhaps N$1 = 20 kr would be a good initial exchange rate. I expect these exchange rates to improve over time as the owner's supply of the currency decreases with time.

[Ircher]

Yes, 1 guess per 8 hours / 2 total per day. That is a good guess but sadly incorrect. (I will give participation prizes at the same time a correct answer is given/time expires.)
---
We need more proposals. Anyone have some?

[Ircher]

What do you plan on doing with these Crowns?

I was thinking of making people beat me at games to win them.
I'll get the ball rolling with what is essentially a giveaway, awarding some 10 crowns to anyone who rolls a higher value on a single dice than I do.
You may choose how many sides the dice has. Use dice tags and roll exactly once. I will reply to each of you individually

Original Roll String: 1d271

1 271-Sided Dice: (262) = 262

[Ircher]

Yeah, currency can currently be exchanged at will provided there is an exchange rate. So you could convert your Nomic dollars to some knowledge points if you wanted to since we've now established an exchange rate for them.
pedit: VOTE: Yea 340
I will probably have some proposals in the morning if we are still lacking in them. One of them will be modifying the rule regarding proposals expiring, and I am also thinking having some interactions with my currency. (The currency stuff might be motions for the shop.)

[Ircher]

Proposal 341 passed.

Proposal 342: Amend rule 306 to state, "If the player who makes a proposal becomes inactive or if 72 hours have passed since the creation of the proposal, the proposal automatically fails."

I don't really like the current implementation based on the last vote because that is more work since I have to determine when was the last vote, etc. A proposal that has not gotten the requisite votes within 72 hours was likely not passing anyway. (The post numbers are documented, but it is easier just to ISO the player who made the proposal to find when it is created versus searching for the specific post.)

Proposal 343: The moderator will prod players by pm after 48 hours of not posting.

I think this is a good rule to make official.

[Ircher]

Take the chemical equation Na₂CO₃ + HCl → NaCl + H₂O + CO₂. For 10 KP each:
a)Balance the above equation.
b)Give the names of both reactants and of all three products.
c)This is a two-stage reaction. What type of reaction is each stage?

The last chemistry class I took was in high school. Still, I'll give the first two parts a try.

a. We want the same number of each molecule on both sides, and ideally, we want integer numbers here. So with that in mind,
we have 2 hydrogens on the right but only one on the left, so we will want at least 2 HCl for every H₂O we have. We also need twice as many NaCl as we have Na₂CO₃ so the quantities of Na are equal. With those constraints and some guessing-and-checking, I come to the following equation:

2 Na₂CO₃ + 4 HCl yields 4 NaCl + 2 H₂O + 2 CO₂

b. Disodium carbon trioxide + Hydrocloride yields Sodium Chloride + Dihydrogen Monoxide + Carbon Dioxide
(Okay, I actually don't know what Na₂CO₃ is, so hopefully this isn't too far off...)

[Ircher]

That is unfortunately incorrect as well. I will post the answer in an hour and a half unless someone else gets it before then.

[Ircher]

Exchange N$10 for 500KP

Ok my questions have the same ruleset as Ircher's. The theme is ancient Greek and Roman literature.

1. "Divine command theory" grounds morals in the word of a deity (i.e. it answers the question "what is good?" with "that which [deity] commands"). A famous dilemma for divine command theory can be paraphrased roughly as follows: is x good because the gods judge that it is good, or do the gods judge that x is good because it is good?

10KP for the name of the author of the ancient work in which this dilemma first appeared. 10KP for the title of the work. 10KP if you can explain why this might be considered a dilemma for divine command theory.

2. "Gallia est omnis divisa in partes tres..." is how one famous ancient work begins in its original language.

10KP for the name of the author. 10KP for the title of the work (you may give it in English). 10KP for an approximate translation of the quoted phrase.

Okay, since I have nothing to lose, my guesses for authors are Aristotle for #1 and Plato for #2.

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #2
Category: Literature
Question: Which well-known Russian author's works include "Eugene Onegin", "The Belkin Tales", "The Queen of Spades", and "I Loved You"? (Again, spelling counts; however, I will accept two forms for the author's name. You must provide both a first and last name.)

Give Deimos27 2 Knowledge Points

for providing two reasonable but incorrect guesses for this question. The correct answer was

Alexander Pushkin

. I would also have accepted the spelling Aleksandr Pushkin. Pushkin is considered one of Russia's greatest poet and had a significant impact on many of Russia's later writers and poets. (Also, despite being known for his poetry, Pushkin wrote a lot of prose as well. Most of the titles I named in the question were prose.)

Question of the Day #3

Category: Mathematics
Question: What are

two

different

ways to find the derivative with respect to x of f(x)^g(x) where $f$ and $g$ are arbitrary differentiable functions? (To be clear, I am looking for the names of general methods; you are free to give an example, but simply giving an example without specifying the method used is insufficient. An example of what I mean by method is that if you were asked to find (dy / dx) of f(x)g(x), one method would be to use the product rule.) Also, note that I am asking for two

different

methods. They must be substantively different and not simply a different way of using the same method.)

If you get one of them, you will get 7 KP. You will get the remaining 8 KP if you get the other one. There may be more answers than the two that I am thinking of; I will look into any "novel" ideas.

[Ircher]

337 expires. M005 fails by extension. 342 and 343 are accepted. Prodding lendunistus (2d 6h).

[Ircher]

i'm confused

as for currency, all I can think of is creating a waifu token or something

i'll take a look later ig

We don't have many proposals on the table. Also, you can do whatever you want with your currency.

[Ircher]

I should've clarified, but I meant to specify that the method needs to be an analytic method rather than a numerical method. Since I wasn't clear enough, you are free to try again immediately. (Also, guessing, while technically one way to do it, is by no means practical, so I don't think I can accept that either.) (That being said, Newton's method is used to find roots rather than derivatives.)

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #3
Category: Mathematics
Question: What are two different ways to find the derivative with respect to x of f(x)g(x) where $f$ and $g$ are arbitrary differentiable functions? (To be clear, I am looking for the names of general methods; you are free to give an example, but simply giving an example without specifying the method used is insufficient. An example of what I mean by method is that if you were asked to find (dy / dx) of f(x)g(x), one method would be to use the product rule.) Also, note that I am asking for two different methods. They must be substantively different and not simply a different way of using the same method.)

If you get one of them, you will get 7 KP. You will get the remaining 8 KP if you get the other one. There may be more answers than the two that I am thinking of; I will look into any "novel" ideas.

I will

give Prince Jake, son of the 7th circle, 5 KP

since guess-and-check is

technically

valid although not at all what I was looking for. The two methods I was thinking of were

logarithmic differentiation

and

the multivariable chain rule

. The former is taught in most introductory calculus courses. It involves taking the logarithm of both sides and then using implicit differentiation. The latter is something cool I stumbled upon, but it works. I refer you to this. (I will note that my question as posed may have been incorrectly posed, so I apologize if that kept people from answering. It would've probably been better if I used a specific function like (sin(x))^cos(x).)

Question of the Day #4

Category: Music
Question: What term describes a pair of parallel slanted lines which are used to indicate a grand pause?

Edit 8:29 PM: Motion M001 has expired and is no longer active.

[Ircher]

Proposal 344: Amend rule 302 to "The player who proposes a proposal that passes gains N$25."

Motion M006: This motion lasts for 72 hours. Victory trophies are added to the shop at the cost of N$1000. When this motion expires, each player gains n * n / 2 points where n is the number of victory trophies they own.

Spoiler: Active Discussions

Code: Select all

====Pending Proposals====
 Proposal 340 (Post 404) by StrangerCoug: Rule 212 is hereby transmuted to immutable.
 Yea - StrangerCoug (404), Ircher (405), Deimos27 (409)
 Nay -
 Not Voting - lendunistus, Jake The Wolfie
 <i>This proposal requires unanimous consent to be approved.</i>

 Proposal 344 (Post 455) by Ircher: Amend rule 302 to "The player who proposes a proposal that passes gains N$25."
 Yea - Ircher (455)
 Nay -
 Not Voting - lendunistus, Jake The Wolfie, StrangerCoug, Deimos27

====Pending Motions====
Use the same format as for proposals. The time limit should be part of the actual proposed motion. Please remember also that motions should be archived like proposals. (If you don't have time to archive them, just mark it as accepted/rejected and don't remove it.)

 Motion M006 (Post 455) by Ircher: This motion lasts for 72 hours. Victory trophies are added to the shop at the cost of N$1000. When this motion expires, each player gains n * n / 2 points where n is the number of victory trophies they own.
 Yea - Ircher (455)
 Nay -
 Not Voting - lendunistus, Jake The Wolfie, StrangerCoug, Deimos27

[Ircher]

Here I paid $32,968.75 for the car, but part d asks: How much would I save by paying the taxes and fees upfront with my down payment? 10% of $25,000 is obviously $2,500, and 7.5% of it is $1,875. Add those to the $500 fees and that's $4,875 paid toward the car already. My loan would only be for $22,500, for which I'd pay $5,625 interest on according to the formula. $22,500 + $5,625 + $4,875 = $33,000, so here I'd actually incur a $31.25 loss—though if anyone sees any mistakes in my math, I'll give 10 KP to anyone who points it out.

So I had to stare at this a while, but it feels really wrong that you'd lose money by paying more up front. After all, the overall interest should be less, but the rest should be the same.

Okay, originally, we had:

2500 + (27375 - 2500) + 6093.75 = 27375 + 6093.75 =

33468.75

With the upfront fees, we have:

4875 + (27375 - 4875) + 5625.00 = 27375 + 5625.00 = 33000

So we should be saving $468.75 which is much more sensible than the original loss. (So in other words, everything was correct except you wrote the principal down wrong for the original scenario. Deimos27's answer was correct, so I presume it was a typo.)

[Ircher]

I feel we should still have a way to earn points, but I also think it is good to have points earned in a different way than simply by making proposals. That was something we did early game to get stuff started, but now that the game has matured some, we could branch out into other things. Also, we need more uses for Nomic Dollars.

What were we going to do with the mana stuff? I would love to see that fleshed out some more.

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #4
Category: Music
Question: What term describes a pair of parallel slanted lines which are used to indicate a grand pause?

I'm giving this question another hour or two before I reveal the answer.

Edit: Extended to 9 am EST: (expired on 2021-11-10 09:00:00).

[Ircher]

The correct answer was

caesura

.

Question of the Day #5

Category: Religion
Question: In Islam, hadiths are considered the oral sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. What are the two parts that they consist of? (You can either give the name of the parts or a description of the parts.)

You will have (expired on 2021-11-10 22:00:00) to answer.

Edit: Prodding lendunistus (2d 5h).

Edit2: Proposal 340 expired.

[Ircher]

Proposal 344 passes. We have no active proposals and only my victory trophy motion is pending.

[Ircher]

Do you have a particular immutable rule you are looking to alter?

[Ircher]

VOTE: Nay 345

Give Jake The Wolfie one Knowledge Point.

[Ircher]

Give StrangerCoug 1 Knowledge Point

for post 475.

Question of the Day #5
Category: Religion
Question: In Islam, hadiths are considered the oral sayings of the Prophet Muhammad. What are the two parts that they consist of? (You can either give the name of the parts or a description of the parts.)

You will have (expired on 2021-11-10 22:00:00) to answer.

Time has expired. Hadiths consist of the

sanad

which is a history of its transmission and the

matn

which is the saying itself.

Question of the Day #6

Category: Computer Science
Question: Which algorithm for finding the minimum spanning tree of a graph is a variation of another algorithm that is used to find the shortest path between two nodes provided the graph has no nonpositive weighted nodes? (As always, spelling counts.)
Bonus: If you answer this question correctly

and

name the other algorithm I am referencing here, you will get an additional 10 Knowledge Points. Please note that you must be specific as to which answer corresponds to which algorithm. (That is, if you answer both the question and the bonus, you need to make it clear which answer corresponds to minimum spanning trees and which algorithm corresponds to the shortest path problem.)

[Ircher]

Ah, man, I used to know this one, and I have a CS degree. Is the minimum spanning tree algorithm the Dijkstra algorithm and the shortest path algorithm the A* search algorithm?

That is incorrect unfortunately, but both are good guesses. You can try again in about 8 hours (so 8 am EST/1 pm UTC).

[Ircher]

lendunistus is at the 3 day mark. Unfortunately, the rules require 5 active players for us to vote on and make proposals, so hopefully lendunistus posts or we can find someone else to join.

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #6
Category: Computer Science
Question: Which algorithm for finding the minimum spanning tree of a graph is a variation of another algorithm that is used to find the shortest path between two nodes provided the graph has no nonpositive weighted nodes? (As always, spelling counts.)
Bonus: If you answer this question correctly and name the other algorithm I am referencing here, you will get an additional 10 Knowledge Points. Please note that you must be specific as to which answer corresponds to which algorithm. (That is, if you answer both the question and the bonus, you need to make it clear which answer corresponds to minimum spanning trees and which algorithm corresponds to the shortest path problem.)

Any other takers? I will be posting the solution around 9-10 pm EST.

[Ircher]

M006 passes.
---

Which algorithm for finding the minimum spanning tree of a graph is a variation of another algorithm that is used to find the shortest path between two nodes provided the graph has no nonpositive weighted nodes? (As always, spelling counts.)

I have no idea what any of this means and will guess alpha-beta pruning

This is incorrect.

Question of the Day #6
Category: Computer Science
Question: Which algorithm for finding the minimum spanning tree of a graph is a variation of another algorithm that is used to find the shortest path between two nodes provided the graph has no nonpositive weighted nodes? (As always, spelling counts.)
Bonus: If you answer this question correctly and name the other algorithm I am referencing here, you will get an additional 10 Knowledge Points. Please note that you must be specific as to which answer corresponds to which algorithm. (That is, if you answer both the question and the bonus, you need to make it clear which answer corresponds to minimum spanning trees and which algorithm corresponds to the shortest path problem.)

The correct answers are

Prim's Algorithm

for finding the minimum spanning tree and

Dijkstra's Algorithm

for finding the shortest path between vertices in a graph with only positive weighted vertices. The two algorithms are essentially the same except in Prim's algorithm, you don't keep up with previous distances. StrangerCoug was really close with his answer as A* is another path finding algorithm; A* is sort of a hybrid between Dijkstra's algorithm; it is basically Dijkstra with an added heuristic that estimates how far away the goal is.

Give StrangerCoug 3 Knowledge Points

Give Deimos27 1 Knowledge Point

---

Question of the Day #7

Can you believe it's already been a week since I've started doing these?

Category: Literature
Question: The novel

The Lord of the Rings

was published in stages in three separate volumes. What are the titles of these volumes?

In other news, I am changing the way KP are awarded for answering questions.
- If you submit an incorrect guess, you will get between 0 and 3 Knowledge Points. You can interpret them as follows:
-- 0 ==> Guess does not make sense in the context of the given category.
-- 1 ==> Guess shows some knowledge of the question and its answer, but it is still a long ways off from the correct answer.
-- 2 ==> The guess is reasonable and well-informed, but it may miss some key aspects of the question.
-- 3 ==> The guess is almost the correct answer, but it is not close enough to be acceptable.
- If you correctly answer a question, you will now get

30 Knowledge Points

instead of 15.

[Ircher]

That is correct!

Give StrangerCoug 30 Knowledge Points.

[Ircher]

Motion M007: This motion lasts for one second. "Money Sap Spell" are permanently added to the shop at the cost of N$225. This item is consumed after three uses and requires 2 red mana and 1 blue mana to cast. When cast, select a target. The target loses either 1d100 Nomic dollars (use the dice tags) or all of their current supply of Nomic dollars (whichever is lower), and the spell caster gains the equivalent amount back.

Motion M008: This motion lasts for one second. "Victory Quiz Tokens" are permanently added to the shop at the cost of either N$5'000 or 30000 KP. For the purpose of costs in other currencies, the exchange rate of Nomic Dollars shall be used. These items are consumed when used. Once used, the user may post a set of questions known as a "victory quiz". The victory quiz consists of a set of up to five questions that possess an objective answer (but questions with multiple valid answers, provided they are objective, are valid). The author of the quiz must know the answers to the questions at the time of the quiz creation. Specific rules regarding allowed resources on a quiz shall be specified by the quiz author; however, it should be assumed that if not otherwise stated, the use of the Internet to search for solutions is not allowed. Each player gets 48 hours to attempt to answer the victory quiz correctly; players shall submit their answers by PM to the quiz author. Players are allowed only one guess, and they do not immediately learn whether their answers are correct or not. At the conclusion of the 72 hours, the answers to the quiz shall be posted alongside the submitted answers. The author of the quiz shall grade each quiz submission in a way they deem appropriate. Players receive 100 * (Quiz Score Converted To Percentage of Max Score) KP, and any player who scores 80% of the maximum possible points on the quiz or better shall receive 3 points. The author of the quiz also receives 1 point. The victory quiz itself, the correct answers, and percentage scores for each player shall be recorded on the wiki in the event history.

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #8

Category: History
Question: Who is known as the "father of anatomy" and is credited as the first physician to dissect human bodies?

[Ircher]

Motion M007 and M008 pass.

[Ircher]

Prodding Jake The Wolfie (2d 0h).

[Ircher]

I would love to see new spells and stuff that require mana, but I lack ideas. Maybe we need to add more systems via proposals.

[Ircher]

Motion M009 - (This motion lasts for 1 second) The following item shall be added to the Nomic Shop as a permanent: Conjure Wall (N$1000): This spell costs at least 1 mana to cast. When casted, you gain control of a wall with the following text, where X is the amount of mana used to cast the spell: "This wall has a durability of X. If you are the target of a spell, this wall protects you from that spell, and this wall takes damage equal to the spell's mana cost." If you casted this spell using only one mana color, the wall also gains "This has protection from Y.", where Y is the color of mana used to cast this spell.

Proposal 345 - Any player may create and define keywords without the need for any proposal to pass. These keywords should be recorded somewhere on the wiki.

M009 draws a little bit from 345.

The main reason for 345 is so that any time we need a new keyword for stuff, we don't need everyone's approval each time just to define terms.

VOTE: Yea M009

Regarding 345... What if two players come up with conflicting definitions and/or don't agree on how to define a keyword? How should that be resolved?

Also, prodding lendunistus (2d 2h).

[Ircher]

Fair enough.
VOTE: Yea 345

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #8

Category: History
Question: Who is known as the "father of anatomy" and is credited as the first physician to dissect human bodies?

The correct answer is

Herophilus

.

Question of the Day #9

Category: Mathematics
Question: What are

eight

equivalent conditions to an n by n square matrix A having an inverse? (Recall: A matrix B is the inverse of a square matrix A if and only if AB = BA = I where I is the n by n identity matrix with 1's on the diagonal and 0's elsewhere.)

There are a whole slew of conditions equivalent to the above; way more than just eight. For each correct one you name, I will award you with 3 KP. You get a bonus of 2 KP if you manage to name 4 and a bonus of 4 KP if you manage to name 8. You may not guess a condition that someone else has already guessed.

1. Categorise the following countries according to whether they are parliamentary, semi-presidential, or presidential democracies: USA, South Korea, Brazil, UK, France (2KP each)

USA - Presidential
UK - Parliamentary
South Korea - Semi-Presidential
Brazil - Parliamentary
France - Presidential
I am guessing on 3/5 of these.

[Ircher]

M009

and 345

pass. I will update the wiki later.

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #9
Category: Mathematics
Question: What are eight equivalent conditions to an n by n square matrix A having an inverse? (Recall: A matrix B is the inverse of a square matrix A if and only if AB = BA = I where I is the n by n identity matrix with 1's on the diagonal and 0's elsewhere.)

I'm gonna give this question another day. As a hint, I gave you two equivalent conditions already .

[Ircher]

I think 345 is going to have to be reposted as 346 as it turns out we had a 345 already (see rule 210). With that being said, it's been well over 72 hours since the (original) 345, so that proposal fails. (This was totally on me though for not noticing it sooner.) Also, with that said, we have no active proposals or motions!

[Ircher]

We had two 345's.

Proposal 345 - Any player may create and define keywords without the need for any proposal to pass. These keywords should be recorded somewhere on the wiki.

Should've been labeled 346 as you posted this earlier:

Proposal 345: Any immutable rule may be altered or deleted via unanimous consent without first transmuting it.

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #9
Category: Mathematics
Question: What are eight equivalent conditions to an n by n square matrix A having an inverse? (Recall: A matrix B is the inverse of a square matrix A if and only if AB = BA = I where I is the n by n identity matrix with 1's on the diagonal and 0's elsewhere.)

I'm gonna give this question another day. As a hint, I gave you two equivalent conditions already .

I'm disappointed no one attempted this. Anyway, here are several that I can think of:

1) A has n pivots.
2) A has a left inverse B such that BA = I.
3) A has a right inverse B such that AB = I.
4) A is row equivalent to the n by n identity matrix.
5) The columns of A span R^n.
6) The columns of A form a basis for R^n.
7) The columns of A are linearly independent.
8) The determinant of A is nonzero.
9) The rows of A span R^n.
10) The rows of A are linearly independent.
11) The rows of A form a basis for R^n.
12) The matrix equation Ax = b where b is a vector in R^n has a unique solution.
13) The transpose of A is invertible.

Here are a few more after looking over my linear algebra notes:
14) The column space of A equals R^n.
15) The rank of A equals n.
16) The null space of A equals the zero vector.
17) The dimension of the null space of A equals 0.

Several more exist as well!

Question of the Day #10

Category: Biochemistry
Question: What kind of molecule helps speed up reactions in the human body?

[Ircher]

Yes, that's it!

Give StrangerCoug 30 Knowledge Points.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 346

[Ircher]

346 passes. I'll update later or tomorrow. M006 expired quite a while ago.

Deimos27 and lendunistus were prodded.
---

Question of the Day #11

Category: Music
Question: What are the 12 major scales in the order of the circle of fifths? (If you accidentally reverse the order, you will still get full credit.)

[Ircher]

That is correct!

Give StrangerCoug 30 Knowledge Points.

I will go update the wiki now.

[Ircher]

I am thinking I will post a victory quiz on Friday and give you all until Monday to do it. It will be 5 questions of hopefully not too difficult questions, and you can gain points and knowledge points if you do well.

Convert N$160 to 8'000 KP.

Buy 1 Victory Quiz Token for 30'000 KP.

Anyone have ideas for more proposals? Maybe we want to modify the election voting given the next election begins like tomorrow?

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #12

Category: Software Engineering
Question: What UML diagram is used to describe the functionality of a system from a user's point of view?

[Ircher]

UML stands for Unified Modeling Language. It's basically used to make various kinds of diagrams.

[Ircher]

Also, the next election should have started, so we should be sending StrangerCoug votes. The election ends in (expired on 2021-11-19 23:59:00).

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #12

Category: Software Engineering
Question: What UML diagram is used to describe the functionality of a system from a user's point of view?

The correct answer is a

use case diagram

.

Question of the Day #13

Category: History
Question: Who created the printing press? (Remember: Both a first and a last name are needed.)
---
I will be posting a victory quiz tomorrow morning. It will be open notes and open Internet (subject to a few restrictions).

Also, Jake is at the 3 day mark, so we can't make proposals until he posts.

[Ircher]

Question: Who created the printing press? (Remember: Both a first and a last name are needed.)

Johannes Gutenberg

That is correct!

Give Jake The Wolfie 30 Knowledge Points.

---

is it too late to join?

Signups never close. You are more than welcome to join.
You might want to read about the central bank and submit a vote to StrangerCoug for the currently active election.

[Ircher]

first off, i'd like to challenge Jake the Wolfie's answer. I adamantly believe Bi Sheng invented the printing press and it is ridiculously western to claim that gutenberg came up with that idea and invented the product

History is often Euro-centric in nature. Whether right or wrong, Gutenberg is the one credited with this invention which therefore makes it the correct answer to the question as posed.

[Ircher]

Consume 1 Victory Quiz Token.

Victory Quiz #1

Directions: Answer the following questions to the best of your ability. You will not be penalized for guessing. Any fully correct answer will receive full credit regardless of any underlying work.

This quiz is open notes and open Internet subject to the following restrictions: 1) you may not use sites like Chegg, Quora, and StackExchange where other people answer questions 2) you may not directly search the provided questions 3) websites like Wolfram Alpha are also prohibited; see the policy on calculators listed below 4) apps of any kind (especially ones like Photomath) are also prohibited. You may look up words like "domain", "derivative", etc., but typing the full question into Google is not appropriate. Examples of acceptable use of the Internet include sites like Wikipedia, Desmos, Overleaf, and pages from a university. You are not allowed to consult with other people on this quiz. Calculators (including online calculators) are acceptable provided that they cannot perform symbolic computations (i.e.: they do not have a CAS). The only allowed programming language on this exam is R. Programs like Mathematica and Maple are also prohibited due to violating the calculator policy.

This quiz consists of

5 questions

and a maximum score of

100 points

. Show your work for partial credit. Unless otherwise specified, all answers should be given in an analytic form; that is, decimal approximations are not correct answers. The dollar signs delineate LateX code; you may want to type it into a LaTeX renderer like Overleaf. If you have any questions regarding the rules of this quiz, please ask.

Please remember that you are PM'ing me your answers. You have until (expired on 2021-11-22 10:00:00) to submit your responses.

Question #1 (14 Points)

: What is the domain and range of $f(x) = x ln(x)$?

Question #2 (8 Points)

: What is the derivative of $g(f) = f^2 + e^{\pi} \ln(\sqrt{17})$?

Question #3 (23 Points)

: A group is a set $G$ together with a binary operation $\cdot$ typically called multiplication that satisfies the following properties: 1) G is closed under multiplication 2) multiplication is associative; that is, $a(bc) = (ab)c$ 3) there is an identity $e$ in $G$ such that $ae = ea = a$ for all $a$ in $G$ and 4) for each element $a$ in $G$, there is an element $a^{-1}$ in $G$ called the inverse of $a$ such that $aa^{-1} = a^{-1}a = e$. We define the order of a group as the number of elements in the group, and the order of a group element is the number of times the element must be multiplied by itself to reach the identity. If no such number exists, we say that the order of the group element is infinite. Which of the following statements about groups and their orders are true?

(Please note: you may NOT directly search any of these statements.)

I) The set of integers under addition modulo $n$ form a group.
II) For all elements $a$ and $b$ in a group, $ab = ba$.
III) The identity element in a group is unique.
IV) For elements $a$ and $b$ in a group, $(ab)^{-1} = a^{-1} b^{-1}$.
V) The set of real numbers under multiplication form a group.
VI) A group of order 31 can have an element of order 6.
VII) The order of the identity is 1.
VIII) Let $a$ be a group element. If $a^k=e$ (that is, multiplying $a$ by itself $k$ times) for some natural number $k$, then the order of $a$ is $k$.
IX) Every group has an element of order 1.

Question #4 (25 Points)

: What words and expressions should go in the blanks in the following proof to correctly prove the vector Thales theorem: if

s

and

v

lie on one line through

0

,

t

and

w

are on another line through

0

, and

w

-

v

is parallel to

t

-

s

, then

v

= a

s

and

w

= a

t

for some scalar a.

(Notes: Boldfaced font indicates a vector. Each blank indicates a single word or a single expression. An expression in this context is any sequence of symbols that includes no equals sign. Answers should be given inline with some kind of separator (e.g.: color, blanks). You may search the phrase "vector Thales theorem", but you may not copy parts of the skeleton proof below.)

Proof:

Since

w

-

v

is ________ to

t

-

s

, there exists a scalar a such that

w

-

v

= ________ = ______. Then, since

v

is on the same line as ____, _____ for some scalar b. Likewise, since

w

is on the _____ _____ as

t

, there exists a scalar c such that

w

= ______. Thus,

w

-

v

= ______ and

w

-

v

= c

t

- c

s

. It follows that (c - a)

t

+ (a - b)

s

= ____. Since ____ and

t

point in ______ ______ from

0

, they are _______ _______. Thus, c - a = 0 and a - b = 0. Therefore,

v

= a

s

and

w

= a

t

. QED.

Question #5 (30 Points)

: Suppose $Y$ is a normally distributed random variable with mean 40 and variance $\sigma^2$. To the nearest integer, what value of $\sigma$ makes the probability that $Y$ is between 20 and 60 equal to 50%?
---
Don't forget: you can receive up to 100 KP and 3 points if you do well. (Also, even if you have no clue, please submit something. There is a good chance you will get something for your efforts no matter how small.)

[Ircher]

Buy 1 Swamp

Proposal 347: Tapped lands become untapped after 3 days.

[Ircher]

The election is over, so StrangerCoug can post the results when he gets a chance.

Question of the Day #14

Category: Chinese
Question: The vast majority of Chinese characters have two parts: a semantic part and a phonetic part. What is the term (in English) given to the semantic part of these characters?

[Ircher]

Welcome to the board Jake!

[Ircher]

The election is over, so StrangerCoug can post the results when he gets a chance.

Question of the Day #14

Category: Chinese
Question: The vast majority of Chinese characters have two parts: a semantic part and a phonetic part. What is the term (in English) given to the semantic part of these characters?

The correct answer is it is called the

radical

.

Question of the Day #15

Category: Video games
Question: Who is the main playable character in the series of games

The Legend of Zelda

?
---
(Also, don't forget to pm me answers to my quiz in 545 by Monday morning.)

[Ircher]

That is correct!

Give StrangerCoug 30 Knowledge Points.

[Ircher]

Good luck at your competitions!

[Ircher]

Consume 1 Victory Quiz Token.

Victory Quiz #1

Spoiler:

Directions: Answer the following questions to the best of your ability. You will not be penalized for guessing. Any fully correct answer will receive full credit regardless of any underlying work.

This quiz is open notes and open Internet subject to the following restrictions: 1) you may not use sites like Chegg, Quora, and StackExchange where other people answer questions 2) you may not directly search the provided questions 3) websites like Wolfram Alpha are also prohibited; see the policy on calculators listed below 4) apps of any kind (especially ones like Photomath) are also prohibited. You may look up words like "domain", "derivative", etc., but typing the full question into Google is not appropriate. Examples of acceptable use of the Internet include sites like Wikipedia, Desmos, Overleaf, and pages from a university. You are not allowed to consult with other people on this quiz. Calculators (including online calculators) are acceptable provided that they cannot perform symbolic computations (i.e.: they do not have a CAS). The only allowed programming language on this exam is R. Programs like Mathematica and Maple are also prohibited due to violating the calculator policy.

This quiz consists of

5 questions

and a maximum score of

100 points

. Show your work for partial credit. Unless otherwise specified, all answers should be given in an analytic form; that is, decimal approximations are not correct answers. The dollar signs delineate LateX code; you may want to type it into a LaTeX renderer like Overleaf. If you have any questions regarding the rules of this quiz, please ask.

Please remember that you are PM'ing me your answers. You have until (expired on 2021-11-22 10:00:00) to submit your responses.

Question #1 (14 Points)

: What is the domain and range of $f(x) = x ln(x)$?

Question #2 (8 Points)

: What is the derivative of $g(f) = f^2 + e^{\pi} \ln(\sqrt{17})$?

Question #3 (23 Points)

: A group is a set $G$ together with a binary operation $\cdot$ typically called multiplication that satisfies the following properties: 1) G is closed under multiplication 2) multiplication is associative; that is, $a(bc) = (ab)c$ 3) there is an identity $e$ in $G$ such that $ae = ea = a$ for all $a$ in $G$ and 4) for each element $a$ in $G$, there is an element $a^{-1}$ in $G$ called the inverse of $a$ such that $aa^{-1} = a^{-1}a = e$. We define the order of a group as the number of elements in the group, and the order of a group element is the number of times the element must be multiplied by itself to reach the identity. If no such number exists, we say that the order of the group element is infinite. Which of the following statements about groups and their orders are true?

(Please note: you may NOT directly search any of these statements.)

I) The set of integers under addition modulo $n$ form a group.
II) For all elements $a$ and $b$ in a group, $ab = ba$.
III) The identity element in a group is unique.
IV) For elements $a$ and $b$ in a group, $(ab)^{-1} = a^{-1} b^{-1}$.
V) The set of real numbers under multiplication form a group.
VI) A group of order 31 can have an element of order 6.
VII) The order of the identity is 1.
VIII) Let $a$ be a group element. If $a^k=e$ (that is, multiplying $a$ by itself $k$ times) for some natural number $k$, then the order of $a$ is $k$.
IX) Every group has an element of order 1.

Question #4 (25 Points)

: What words and expressions should go in the blanks in the following proof to correctly prove the vector Thales theorem: if

s

and

v

lie on one line through

0

,

t

and

w

are on another line through

0

, and

w

-

v

is parallel to

t

-

s

, then

v

= a

s

and

w

= a

t

for some scalar a.

(Notes: Boldfaced font indicates a vector. Each blank indicates a single word or a single expression. An expression in this context is any sequence of symbols that includes no equals sign. Answers should be given inline with some kind of separator (e.g.: color, blanks). You may search the phrase "vector Thales theorem", but you may not copy parts of the skeleton proof below.)

Proof:

Since

w

-

v

is ________ to

t

-

s

, there exists a scalar a such that

w

-

v

= ________ = ______. Then, since

v

is on the same line as ____, _____ for some scalar b. Likewise, since

w

is on the _____ _____ as

t

, there exists a scalar c such that

w

= ______. Thus,

w

-

v

= ______ and

w

-

v

= c

t

- c

s

. It follows that (c - a)

t

+ (a - b)

s

= ____. Since ____ and

t

point in ______ ______ from

0

, they are _______ _______. Thus, c - a = 0 and a - b = 0. Therefore,

v

= a

s

and

w

= a

t

. QED.

Question #5 (30 Points)

: Suppose $Y$ is a normally distributed random variable with mean 40 and variance $\sigma^2$. To the nearest integer, what value of $\sigma$ makes the probability that $Y$ is between 20 and 60 equal to 50%?

---
Don't forget: you can receive up to 100 KP and 3 points if you do well. (Also, even if you have no clue, please submit something. There is a good chance you will get something for your efforts no matter how small.)

Well, time is up and I didn't receive any submissions, so I guess everyone got a zero.

Anyway, the answers to this quiz are in the spoilers below:

Spoiler: Answers

Victory Quiz #1 Answers and Grading Rubric

Correct answers without work receive full credit.

Question #1 (14 Points)

: What is the domain and range of $f(x) = x \ln(x)$?

Answer:

The domain is all positive real numbers. To find the range, first find the relative maximum and minimum of $f$ by using the derivative:
$$f'(x) = \frac{x}{x} + \ln(x)=1+\ln(x).$$
To find the critical points, set the first derivative equal to 0:
$$1+\ln(x)=0\implies \ln(x) = -1\implies x=e^{-1}.$$
To determine if this is a maximum or minimum, use the second derivative test (the first derivative test also works):
$$f''(x) = \frac{1}{x}, f''(e^{-1})>0.$$
Hence, $x=e^{-1}$ is a relative minimum. Finally, determine the end behavior of the function; as $x$ approaches $0$, $f(x)$ approaches 0, and as $x$ approaches $\infty$, $f(x)$ approaches infinity. Hence, the range is $[-e^{-1}, \infty)$.

Scoring:

1 Point for knowing the difference between the domain and range.
1 Point for the correct domain.
3 Points for finding the correct derivative.
3 Points for finding the critical points of the function.
2 Points for determining the relative maximums and minimums of the function.
2 Points for determining the absolute maximum of the function.
2 Points for determining the absolute minimum of the function.

Question #2 (8 Points)

: What is the derivative of $g(f) = f^2 + e^{\pi} \ln(\sqrt{17})$?

Answer:

Notice that $e^{\pi}\ln(\sqrt{17})$ is just a constant, so its derivative is zero. Thus, $g'(f) = 2f$.

Scoring:

Approach 1: Use the limit definition of the derivative.
1 Point for writing the limit definition of the derivative.
1 Point for properly substituting the function into the limit definition.
4 Points for performing the algebra correctly.
2 Points for properly evaluating the limit.

Approach 2: Use derivative rules.
4 Points for recognizing that $e^{\pi}\ln(\sqrt{17})$ is a constant.
1 Point for properly differentiating $e^{\pi}\ln(\sqrt{17})$.
3 Points for properly differentiating $f^2$.
-1 Point if the product, chain, or quotient rules are attempted incorrectly.

Question #3 (23 Points)

: A group is a set $G$ together with a binary operation $\cdot$ typically called multiplication that satisfies the following properties: 1) G is closed under multiplication 2) multiplication is associative; that is, $a(bc) = (ab)c$ 3) there is an identity $e$ in $G$ such that $ae = ea = a$ for all $a$ in $G$ and 4) for each element $a$ in $G$, there is an element $a^{-1}$ in $G$ called the inverse of $a$ such that $aa^{-1} = a^{-1}a = e$. We define the order of a group as the number of elements in the group, and the order of a group element is the number of times the element must be multiplied by itself to reach the identity. If no such number exists, we say that the order of the group element is infinite. Which of the following statements about groups and their orders are true?

(Please note: you may NOT directly search any of these statements.)

I) The set of integers under addition modulo $n$ form a group.
II) For all elements $a$ and $b$ in a group, $ab = ba$.
III) The identity element in a group is unique.
IV) For elements $a$ and $b$ in a group, $(ab)^{-1} = a^{-1} b^{-1}$.
V) The set of real numbers under multiplication form a group.
VI) A group of order 31 can have an element of order 6.
VII) The order of the identity is 1.
VIII) Let $a$ be a group element. If $a^k=e$ (that is, multiplying $a$ by itself $k$ times) for some natural number $k$, then the order of $a$ is $k$.
IX) Every group has an element of order 1.

Answer:

I, III, VII, and IX are true. II and IV are only true in Abelian (or commutative) groups. The correct version of IV is $(ab)^{-1} = b^{-1} a^{-1}$. V is false because $0$ does not have a multiplicative inverse. VI is false by Lagrange's Theorem; the order of an element in a group must divide the order of the group. A counterexample to VIII is $e^2=e$. The order of the identity is 1, but the value of $k$ here is 2. It is however true that if $a^k=e$ for some natural number $k$, then $k$ divides the order of $a$.

Scoring:

2 Points for each true statement correctly marked as true.
1 Points for each false statement not marked as true.
1 Point for correctly marking all of I, III, VII, and IX true.
1 Point for each answer with a reasonable rationale (even if wrong).

Question #4 (25 Points)

: What words and expressions should go in the blanks in the following proof to correctly prove the vector Thales theorem: if

s

and

v

lie on one line through

0

,

t

and

w

are on another line through

0

, and

w

-

v

is parallel to

t

-

s

, then

v

= a

s

and

w

= a

t

for some scalar a.

(Notes: Boldfaced font indicates a vector. Each blank indicates a single word or a single expression. An expression in this context is any sequence of symbols that includes no equals sign. Answers should be given inline with some kind of separator (e.g.: color, blanks). You may search the phrase "vector Thales theorem", but you may not copy parts of the skeleton proof below.)

Proof:

Since

w

-

v

is ________ to

t

-

s

, there exists a scalar a such that

w

-

v

= ________ = ______. Then, since

v

is on the same line as ____, __ = ___ for some scalar b. Likewise, since

w

is on the _____ _____ as

t

, there exists a scalar c such that

w

= ______. Thus,

w

-

v

= ______ and

w

-

v

= c

t

- c

s

. It follows that (c - a)

t

+ (a - b)

s

= ____. Since ____ and

t

point in ______ ______ from

0

, they are _______ _______. Thus, c - a = 0 and a - b = 0. Therefore,

v

= a

s

and

w

= a

t

. QED.

Answer:

Since

w

-

v

is __parallel__ to

t

-

s

, there exists a scalar a such that

w

-

v

= _a(

t

-

s

)__ = __a

t

- a

s

__. Then, since

v

is on the same line as _

s

_, __

v

__ = __b

s

__ for some scalar b. Likewise, since

w

is on the _same_ _line_ as

t

, there exists a scalar c such that

w

= __c

t

__. Thus,

w

-

v

= __a

t

-a

s

__ and

w

-

v

= c

t

- c

s

. It follows that (c - a)

t

+ (a - b)

s

= _

0

_. Since __

s

_ and

t

point in __different__ __directions__ from

0

, they are __linearly__ __independent__. Thus, c - a = 0 and a - b = 0. Therefore,

v

= a

s

and

w

= a

t

. QED.

Scoring:

3 Points for a diagram/image of the setup.
1 Point for each correct blank.
2 Points for four correct blanks.
2 Points for eight correct blanks.
1 Point for twelve correct blanks.
1 Point for sixteen correct blanks.

Question #5 (30 Points)

: Suppose $Y$ is a normally distributed random variable with mean 40 and variance $\sigma^2$. To the nearest integer, what value of $\sigma$ makes the probability that $Y$ is between 20 and 60 equal to 50%?

Answer:

First, compute the normalized z-score associated with $20$:
$$z_{20}=\frac{20-40}{\sigma}.$$ Since the normal distribution is symmetric and the mean of $Y$ is 40, the probability that $Y$ is between 20 and 40 should be the same as the probability that $Y$ is between 40 and 60. Let $X$ denote a normally distributed random variable with mean 0 and variance 1. Using a calculator, we can compute the value $z$ such that the probability $X$ is less than $z$ is 25%. (The value 25% comes from the fact that the normal distribution is symmetric about its mean.) This comes out to be about -0.674. Hence,
$$\frac{20-40}{\sigma}\approx -0.674.$$
Solving this equation for $\sigma$ yields $\sigma = 30.$

Scoring:

5 Points for computing the normalized z-score.
6 Points for noting the normal distribution is symmetric around the mean.
14 Points for finding the z-score cutoff.
2 Points for setting the z-score equal to -0.674.
2 Points for solving for sigma.
1 Point for correctly rounding to the nearest integer.

Hopefully the next one I post (which won't be for a while) will be easier.

[Ircher]

Buy 1 Swamp

Proposal 347: Tapped lands become untapped after 3 days.

We had a 347. Sorry, I haven't updated the wiki in a while.

[Ircher]

Proposal 347 fails. Aronis is past the 3 day mark and is now considered inactive.

Motion M010: While this motion is active, rule 307 is suspended. This rule is active until November 29, 2021 11:59 PM UTC or for one second, whichever is longer.

[Ircher]

(You should vote yea to M010 so we can enjoy a Thanksgiving reprieve.)

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #16

Category: Websites
Question: Who are the founders of stackoverflow.com? (Remember: You need first and last name for each one.)

---

In other news, we are currently at 4/5 for active.

[Ircher]

By a technicality, M010 passes. It lasts for exactly one second, so we are back to 3/5 for activity with lendunistus, Deimos27, and Aronis all inactive.

[Ircher]

(Did end up winning waltz and placing 2nd in quickstep )

Congratulations!

Question of the Day #16
Category: Websites
Question: Who are the founders of stackoverflow.com? (Remember: You need first and last name for each one.)

The correct answer is

Jeff Atwood

and

Joel Spolsky

.

Question of the Day #17

Category: Mathematics
Question: What is the definition of the limit of a sequence? (To be clear here, you should give a formal definition and not an intuitive one.)

[Ircher]

At the level of introductory analysis is fine. You do not need to give the topological version though you can if you want.

[Ircher]

So the limit of a sequence is the limit you approach as you add the terms of the sequence if it converges. For example, the sequence 1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ... diverges, but 1 + 1/2 + 1/4 + 1/8 + ... converges. (Sometimes the signs alternate, but the concept is the same.)

Give StrangerCoug 2 Knowledge Points.

This is unfortunately not formal enough. While this definition may be appealing intuitively, it gives us very little insight into determining how a sequence converges or diverges. You brought up the harmonic series which is a great example. A good definition should explain why the harmonic series (1 + 1/2 + 1/3 + 1/4 + ...) diverges yet the similar series 1 + 1 / 2.01 + 1 / 3.03 + 1 / 4.06 + ... converges.

(Also, I should mention that my question is specifically with regards to sequences of numbers. You can have things like sequences of functions, but you don't need to concern yourself with such for this question.)

[Ircher]

Proposal 348: Every player starts the game with 25'000 Life. A player who runs out of life automatically loses the game.

Proposal 349: If only one player is eligible to win the game, then that player automatically wins the game.

[Ircher]

VOTE: Yea 350
VOTE: Nay 351

We already have an items shop. It can easily double as a weapons and armor shop. If we want to get technical, we just can say that weapons and armors are a (sub)type of items.

[Ircher]

348, 349, and 350 pass. I will update the wiki tomorrow to reflect this.

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #17
Category: Mathematics
Question: What is the definition of the limit of a sequence? (To be clear here, you should give a formal definition and not an intuitive one.)

Here is one definition:

A sequence (a_n) converges to a limit L if for every epsilon greater than zero, there exists a natural number N (that may depend on epsilon) such that whenever n >= N, |a_n - L| < epsilon.

You can consider epsilon as a measure of your tolerance; that is, it is a measure of how close the terms in the sequence must be.

Question of the Day #18

Category: Government
Question: Who was the chief justice of the United States of America Supreme Court during the landmark case Marbury vs. Madison?

[Ircher]

I mean, do we have to? Seems a bit silly to define.

I wonder what happened to Jake. We're down to 4 active again .

the question is: do we want to let players kill each other or do we make some sort of dungeon crawling system?

We could do either. I'm open to suggestions.

[Ircher]

Ooh that sounds fun. What do you think of the dungeon crawling plan?

[Ircher]

alright so here’s a draft for an initial dungeon system I came up with

1. A new currency will be created called Battle Tokens (or Yen or Rupees or whatever, name recommendations welcome). This currency will be awarded when performing certain activities while exploring dungeons. Battle Tokens may be used to buy items and equipment from the Nomic Shop for use in the dungeon, heal your character or perform other miscellaneous activities.

Is there a particular reason we cannot just use Nomic Dollars?

2. For a set period of time referred to as a Dungeon Period, a dungeon is available. Each dungeon has a set amount of floors. Every player has to start exploring the dungeon at Floor 1 and may progress through floors to reach the top floor, where a boss resides. The first player (we could also change this to every player if we want to be more inclusive towards people who may not have a lot of time to play) to reach the top floor and defeat the boss will obtain an item or a piece of equipment called a

Completion Reward

(once again, name suggestions welcome). After a set amount of IRL time or dungeon phases/turns, the Dungeon Period ends. When a Dungeon Period ends, the dungeon disappears, all players are set back to Level 1, all of their equipment and items (except Battle Tokens and Completion Rewards) are removed from their inventory and a new dungeon appears.

Why does everyone reset to Level 1? Is this a balancing thing? I think it would be cooler if that weren't the case, but I guess I would have to see an actual implementation.

3. One player or a group of players must be elected as a Dungeon Keeper. A Dungeon Keeper oversees all dungeon-related activites and must keep an up-to-date status page on the Wiki of all dungeon-related information and player statuses. A Dungeon Keeper cannot participate in dungeon-related activities as a player but instead earns a salary every time once a certain amount of time has passed that consists of a set amount of Battle Tokens. All motions to add dungeon-related items and equipment to the Shop require a Yea or Abstain vote from a Dungeon Keeper in order to have the ability to pass. A Dungeon Keeper may be removed from their position by a passed proposal.

It should just be a motion and not a proposal to remove a dungeon keeper.

4. Every player has a set amount of Health and Mana, the ability to use equipment and dungeon-related items, a set of Skills and a set amount of Experience points. When a player’s Health is 0 or below, the player will lose all dungeon-related items and equipment they may have (except Completion rewards) and half of their Battle Tokens (rounded up) and 500 Life will be deducted from their current total.

We already have a mana system of sorts; I think we should expand on that instead of making a new one.

5. Dungeon floors may contain a set amount of enemy encounters, special mechanics, chests that may contain items, equipment and/or Battle Tokens and a mixture of all 3 of these things. Once all conditions for completing a floor are met, the player may proceed to the next floor.

6. All players start at Level 1. To level up, the player must reach a certain amount of experience points. The amount of experience points required is a consecutive power of 2 for each respective level (for example, 4 XP for level 2, 8 XP for level 3, so on). Levelling up will enhance the player in certain ways, like stat ormaximum Health/Mana increases and/or new skills.
(power of 3 may be better if people like higher numbers. we probably also don’t want to make this too grindy)

How about quadratic growth with some constant factor? Something like 3 XP for level 2, 12 XP for level 3, 27 XP for level 4, 48 XP for level 5, ..., 3 * n * n XP for level n?

7. At the start of each new Dungeon Phase, a Dungeon Keeper must submit a proposal for a new Dungeon Phase. The proposal must include the following:
1) A name for the dungeon
2) The amount of time the Dungeon Phase will last in in-game phases/turns or IRL time
3) The amount of floors the new dungeon will have
4) A through description of what each floor will contain
5) A list of enemies, their names, stats, Health/Mana and skills
6) A description of the dungeon’s boss, including their name, stats, Health/Mana and skills
7) A description of the players’ initial stats and Health/Mana and a list of rewards each Level will give

[Ircher]

I think a fix to that is the dungeon keeper designs the dungeon in secret. They should be required though to document it somewhere like a PT for fairness sake.

Question of the Day #18
Category: Government
Question: Who was the chief justice of the United States of America Supreme Court during the landmark case Marbury vs. Madison?

The correct answer is

John Marshall

.

Question of the Day #19

Category: History
Question: Which Englishman is credited as one of the two main founders of calculus?
---
In other news, proposal 351 expired.

[Ircher]

Yeah that sounds like a good idea.

We should have some incentive for inviting more players. We are too often stuck at 4/5 activity wise. Or I guess we could change that requirement, but eh, I feel having a 5 person minimum for decisions, etc. is good for preventing abuses.

[Ircher]

If I'm in time, I believe that is Isaac Newton.

That is correct.

Give StrangerCoug 30 Knowledge Points.

Question of the Day #20

Category: Computer Science
Question: What is the average-case time complexity for merge sort? (Please express your answer in big-O or big-Theta notation.)

[Ircher]

That is incorrect, assuming you meant O(n^2). Good try though.

Give Jake The Wolfie 2 Knowledge Points.

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #20

Category: Computer Science
Question: What is the average-case time complexity for merge sort? (Please express your answer in big-O or big-Theta notation.)

O(n log n)

?

This is correct.

Give StrangerCoug 30 Knowledge Points.

No new question for today, but I will probably have one tomorrow.

[Ircher]

Attempting to escape has a 15% base chance to succeed.

This is far too low of a chance to flee. Just make it where boss monsters cannot be fled from at all if we want to prevent people avoiding enemies as much as possible. The chance should be at least 33%, and I'd argue that 50% or even 75% would lead to a more pleasant experience. At 15%, there is no reason to even try to escape. The rest looks pretty good to me.

[Ircher]

Also, this is totally on me as I haven't been paying attention, but another election should have started on the 8th. We can probably just go with it starting on the 12th UTC instead (since it is well past the 8th). StrangerCoug would be the one presiding again.

[Ircher]

You can make the motion, though I guess you are correct.

[Ircher]

We can pass motions technically.

[Ircher]

That would be great. I would love to have some more players!

[Ircher]

Question of the Day #21

Category: Card games
Question: In the game contract bridge, there is a set priority of suits during the auction phase. Valid bids during the auction phase require either bidding a higher priority suit as the trump suit or bidding more tricks. What is the order of suit priority from lowest priority to greatest priority? (You can also bid no trump suit, but please ignore that for this question.)

[Ircher]

That is correct!

Give StrangerCoug 30 Knowledge Points.

[Ircher]

Motion M011: New players that join while this motion is active receive an additional N$250 beyond that stipulated in rule 316. If that player names a specific player that referred them to the game, then both the new player and the named player receive an additional N$250. This motion lasts seven days (168 hours).

[Ircher]

Are you going to vote for the motion M011? Also, given that the motion pass threshold and the proposal pass threshold are the same, it doesn't make any sense to me to use a motion to make a motion permanently. Just make it a proposal instead.

[Ircher]

We have five active rn.

[Ircher]

M011 passes.

[Ircher]

I am still waiting for the dungeon system to get formally proposed. Also I'll update tomorrow.

[Ircher]

Yeah I didn't get around to updating this because I've been busy. It kinda does seem like this game isn't really panning out which is unfortunate.

[Ircher]

prodge

Maybe it would be good to suspend the game until after New Years

[Ircher]

prodge

[Ircher]

Yeah, it just didn't pan out. Have a nice break Deimos!

[Ircher]

I'd join.