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Probably a dumb idea, but what if it's just Wisdom/Mystik here?

I'm not familiar with either of these players very well, but IDK why Wisdom ISN'T considering me as Scum at this point???

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I feel like I was to change my read on Wisdom for putting Bingle at E-1 so early in the day.

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and his two townreads earlier just happened to be the two people not voting him.

This is circumstantial evidence at best.

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VOTE: Image

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One of those two votes on me is scum trying to push through a quick mislim on me in the confusion.

VOTE: LicketyQuickety

I'm actually fine with this.

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LQ hoping to get read as jester.

Like never.

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For Bingle I was thinking town for his reaction but his actions after the reveal hint towards him knowing it was a trick which nullifies that, and i additionally dislike that he left instead of discussing what he got out of playing along

Didn't realize LQ had unvoted, actually.

And I was outing my reactions real time because I figured I couldn't after I flipped, so...

Not sure why you expect me to not have the same other priorities in the wake of a gambit as I had prior to it.

Why did you miss my vote on Image?

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VOTE: Clem

I didn't, I missed you switching back to Clem here.

Figures.

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VOTE: Bingle

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@LQ, why didn’t you respond to this?

I think Image's vote speaks of their alignment more than anything I could say. That's why I don't have a problem with their vote on me. At this point, I don't think Image is Town.

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@LQ, why didn’t you respond to this?

I think Image's vote speaks of their alignment more than anything I could say. That's why I don't have a problem with their vote on me. At this point, I don't think Image is Town.

so why did you switch to Bingle then? do you jester read imaginality?

As I said, I don't think Image is Town. I don't have a read beyond that.

But Bingle has been really weird irt me. They vote me, then they don't then they do again. It gives me the creeps. I think Bingle is my strongest SR because they backed off their push on me at this point.

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and it seemed to coincide with Wisdom and me changing our read on LQ.

Bingle was expecting his case to be good on me IME. I don't get Jester vibes from their push on me, just manipulation. He probably didn't think I'd be able to derp Town as much as I have, but what can I say? I was anything worse than you!

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Mystik, do you usually get stronger/better as the game progresses?

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Oh didnt know thats a show
Makes sense then

well, what about this is necessarily townie and uniformed? he doesn’t know about a tv show? what does this have to do with absolutely anything?

I explained this: "Could it just be not getting something? Yes, but generally Scum WANT to be informed on stuff so I think the lack of TMI read holds here. There are other reasons to TR Wisdom for but this stuck out to me for some reason. Again, might be a bad take, because I basically suck at this game."

I also said it's an experimental read and I'm waiting for it to be proven wrong, but so far, it hasn't been. More of an experimental/experiential read tbh.

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Mystik, do you usually get stronger/better as the game progresses?

usually, sometimes my initial gut reads are right and i’ve either gotten talked out of them/talked myself out of them but yeah because i have more information.

like nothing so far has changed my Wisdom read for example. it would have probably been better for the gamestate had we limmed Clemency > Cakez, eventhough i still think Clemency is town because Cakez would actually be doing something.

What is your Clem TR based on? Like I originally thought they were Scummy for not providing content (at all) but now they are just straight up not playing.

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Mystik, do you usually get stronger/better as the game progresses?

usually, sometimes my initial gut reads are right and i’ve either gotten talked out of them/talked myself out of them but yeah because i have more information.

like nothing so far has changed my Wisdom read for example. it would have probably been better for the gamestate had we limmed Clemency > Cakez, eventhough i still think Clemency is town because Cakez would actually be doing something.

What is your Clem TR based on? Like I originally thought they were Scummy for not providing content (at all) but now they are just straight up not playing.

well, you would expect scum or jester to put in more effort because how does scum or jester!Clemency win this by not doing anything? Wisdom linked to a Clemency scumgame where he was extremely active and you would also expect jester!Clemency to be enjoying this a lot more.

I don't think I ever had Clem as Jester.

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this post stuck out at me because Cakez didn’t actually even make a case and why does Bingle auto assume Cakez was defacto scum and not just wrong?

I asked Cakes if they were SRing Bingle based on Bingle's SR on me (since I think Cakes knows I'm Mislim bait) but I never got a response back from them. Would really have liked to know the answer to that...

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@Wisdom, I have to check, but I want to say that Bingle doesn't really show up much in Mystik's ISO before you started suspecting Bingle.

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Eh.
His Bingle self vote and comment after felt performative so.

VOTE: Bingle

P-Edit: Okay.

UNVOTE:

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My two Jester reads are voting for Bingle, SMHMH.

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Wisdom, If I vote Bingle here will you hammer it? Why didn't you?

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@Bingle, I'll be listening to this until you unvote me, thanks.

Spoiler:

Bring it!

Wandering in a desolate wasteland
I thought I knew something, but I know nothing at all

Wandering in a desolate wasteland
I thought I knew something, but I know nothing at all
I thought I knew you; I never knew you at all

Every time I open my heart, I feel the whole thing ripping apart
(Liar!)
You made me open my eyes, and realize that I'm not the same
Every time I open my heart, I feel the whole thing ripping apart
(Liar!)
You made me open my eyes, and realize that I'm not the same

You can't put me in my grave
If I'm already there, punk!
You can't put me in my grave
If I'm already there
You can't put me in my grave
If I'm already there

This isn't heaven, so don't be surprised when hell shows it's face
This isn't heaven, so don't be surprised when hell shows it's face

Every time I open my heart, I feel the whole thing ripping apart
(Liar!)
You made me open my eyes, and realize that I'm not the same
Every time I open my heart, I feel the whole thing ripping apart
(Liar!)
You made me open my eyes, and realize that I'm not the same

Bring the doom!

I must end!
I must end!
I must end!

Quoting this just because I feel like it.

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sorry i got burnout
what's happened since i was gone

Seek and you will find.

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i might

you probably should.

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VOTE: Clem

Can we seriously do this YET!!!

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VOTE: Clem

Can we seriously do this YET!!!

what did you think of my post?

I don't understand it tbh. What is Bingle doing that they are accusing me of?

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I wouldn't say hard pushing since I didn't really have that much confidence in scum! Clem read. I just felt it was better than cakez marginally.

Read as you want I guess

If cakez is jester we lose either way
If clemency is jester I saved the game for everyone.

Can you seriously look at the clemency slot and think that that can't be jester ?

no, he definitely could be,

You literally agree with me why are we still discussing this

because you keep contradicting yourself. if you thought he could be jester, then why make this statement?
also what made Cakez a good lim anyways, since he was pretty obviously town. LQ probably looks the best on Cakez wagon followed by Wisdom. like i’m not going to high five anyone for pushing town.

MS, Meg is right. Let me try for a moment:

At deadline you are at E2 and I’m at E2. Neither of us is Jester, but Wisdom doesn’t know that for sure. Wisdom is on neither wagon because he wants Meg eliminated.

Wisdom should choose one of us to eliminate because the alternative is that either of us being Jester loses the game for everyone else. He could be hard townreading both of us, but he still makes that choice because there’s ALWAYS the chance his read is wrong.

@LQ because this example isn’t the same as the one being referenced.

obviously because Meg was initially pushing for Clemency and in the hypothetical one, Wisdom isn’t voting either because he wants Meg, so how are those two situations similar?

Okay, I

think

I understand. You are saying Bingle isn't giving the same exact example and you are reading that as Scummy?

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4 hours 44 mins

Im about to sleep so see you on d2 i guess

why couldn’t have Wisdom just got it wrong? it’s just so dumb if this was deliberate. why would Wisdom!scum lie about something he could easily be caught in?

Could have done it as Jester or mock-Jester.

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For reference, the way I usually do countdown tags is

Code: Select all

[countdown]48 hours[/countdown]

hit preview and then update the countdown clock to match what I actually want the deadline to say so that I have a chance of being awake at deadline. I once got praised on actually doing countdown times to the second by jjh, when it was literally just me forgetting to edit the timer.

You fighting this is bad.

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What are the votes at?

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I'm gonna vote Meg here if it's alright with the thread.

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VOTE: Meg

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Bare in mind we are basically playing handicap because of Clem.

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Hopefully this flips scum and we can just flip a townie to get rid of the Jester.

Also, I'm a little disappointed you didn't give me the hammer there. I would've pretended briefly to back out on my policy to fuck with Wis.

It wouldn't be a Jester game without me hammering (because I rarely ever hammer).

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VOTE: Bingle

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Town gon lose.

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yup!

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I've been tinfoiling a Mystik/Bingle team.

Don't @ me.

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If Meg flips town whoever else is town plus me should vote for the same person ASAP tomorrow. If we can get three votes on that person before scum plus jester get three on anyone else, then our one will go through at deadline based on plurality rules.

Hopefully Clem is scum or jester to delay them aligning their votes.

Spoiler:

I would never wear a suit, but this is the best I could find.

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How about no. To all of you. Especially Mystik and Wisdom.

Wisdom is Jester and Mystik is Bingle's Scum buddy.

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I don't see either of you voting Bingle.

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Fine, we settle on a draw since no one gets limmed this Day.

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Fine, we settle on a draw since no one gets limmed this Day.

Theres no such thing, Bingle is lim'd to plurality even if we dont vote him

I keep forgetting that.

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I'm Scum with Bingle. That's the most insane take I've heard all game.

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gtmh, I think LQ pushing us as buddies looks like a scumclaim to me.

It's not considering Wisdom is the one Town Casing you all game and I think Wisdom is Jester, so...

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I'm Scum with Bingle. That's the most insane take I've heard all game.

No that would be you thinking I’m scum here with ANYONE after I tried to stop Meg elim.

The only other person who can be Scum with Bingle is Abrakadabra, which is a read I've had since like early/mid game.

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I think Wisdom is Jester

What even is my play here if im jester
Im never getting limd
How can you think this is an acceptable view

Maybe I switched plans

Nope. You totally didn't.

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what

I said I'm jealous of your wiki page, okay?

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yep LQ is never jester here

LQ/Imaginality with Bingle jester (most likely)

or

LQ/Bingle with Imaginality jester (with Bingle doing random stuff as scum to avoid the lim)

Either way we lim LQ, see who dies, and lim the other

You just going to ignore the whole rest of the game?

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I'm Scum with Bingle. That's the most insane take I've heard all game.

No that would be you thinking I’m scum here with ANYONE after I tried to stop Meg elim.

The only other person who can be Scum with Bingle is Abrakadabra, which is a read I've had since like early/mid game.

Do you mean Anastasia?

She's not scum with Bingle, they would have hammered you

Kinda hard to hammer with 3 people, but okay.

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?
Both i and ms are voting you
Unless you want to argue they think you could be jester they could hammer you and win

IDK, I guess it means there is Scum in Mystik/You. I'm inclined to thing Mystik is Scum with Bingle. I'll leave my read on you alone for now.

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I kinda hate Elo because it feels like the whole rest of the game doesn't matter. But at the same time, it's easier to get reads that way too.

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but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

We should have voted off Clem when we had the chance.

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If lq was town hed be hammered

Unless you wanna argue someone is jester reading him

Any combination of Bingle/Imaginality/Anastasia could have hammered town-LQ and won

Bingle could have been hammered as well. I fail to see your point. And I think Abrakadabra ditched the thread before Bingle showed up?

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K, well, why do you think I just want to Limm scummy stuff then?

You... Don't?

Like, you're voting Clem for ??????? after a big post about why literally everyone but Clem is or isn't Jester.

I voted Clem because they have no content yet. That's Scummy in isolation.

i tend to play more survivory than town because i'm unconfident in my abilities

@LQ, do you expect a lot out of early game from someone who posts this?

That's not really my argument. My argument is that they have NO content, not just a little content. Surely you understand this?

Explain the bold please.

Your entire iso is “we should not lim person x because they’re probably a jester” and “this is why you shouldn’t lim me”.

Hyperbole? Did I get it right? What did I win?

There’s two people you’ve come close to expressing a scumread on: me, a townread who needs to be eliminated before the jester dies because ? and Clem who has done nothing.

Sure, why is Clem Town?

Compare: you clearly don’t want to die, you’re spending most of your effort doing exactly what scum wants to do (shopping for any non jester elim in a way that doesn’t bite you) and you just put up a self meta case of “I can’t be obvscum, when I’m scum I’m obvious!”

I defend myself as either alignment because I have to because this sort of thing happens all the time to me.

Well, are you going to fact-check me on that, or nah?

Like, White Knighting Clem here is kinda a weird flex, but maybe you want to be weird like all the other weird kids in this game?

i promise i'll play slightly more townie than usual
probably

The lie detector determined THAT was a lie.

18 sounds like not jester.

Pot meets...

ancient Japanese tea ceremony.

18 sounds like not jester.

Pot meets...

ancient Japanese tea ceremony.

so I think saying not jester is potentially premature.

Kettle.

Sure, why is Clem Town?

Not something I’ve said even once. What I’ve said is that your vote on Clem is a result of jester hunting, not scum hunting and that not scum hunting is scummy.

OTOH, when you flip scum you’ll have spewed Clem as NotMaf pretty hard.

Well, what is your read on Clem outside of me if I might ask?

Quote literally any scumread from before I specifically called you out on it.

Clem is my SR, and you are nearing that trajectory as well.

they don't die before D4.

D4 is the day that we no longer have to worry about jesters. Explicitly, wisdoms play here mirrors his play the last time he was a jester exactly.

I do think he’s more town than scum, but that’s not at all what that post suggested and I wasn’t burying that lead at all. Claiming you didn’t get that is basically admitting you weren’t reading my posts critically.

Your iso contains literally nothing about clem actually being a scumread before I called you out for not scumhunting. The angle of “Well akshually I scumread him for a lack of content” came AFTER the callout. Beforehand, he was just the only player you didn’t call town or jester in the entire player list. You, in fact, said literally nothing about him.

You’re also trying to paint me as just assuming you’re not jester when I pretty clearly made the case to why you were playing a survivalistic game.

But yeah, your inability to quote a scumread precallout kinda speaks for itself, now don’t it?

My SR of Clem is based on their lack of content, yes. Was that somehow unclear in my first post? Is lack of content generally Scummy? Y or N?

And please sign on the dotted line where you're willing to bet the game I'm Scum, thanks. I see no indication from your posts you think I'm Jester. But I can go back and check if you want me to.

VOTE: Clem

Thought it over. I don't think there is a very good chance Clem is Jester.

Cakez has plurality I'm pretty sure

No, I went back to Clem.

Why aren't we voting Clem?

Like the resistance to Limmig Clem is real.

News to me, his 'case' on me was garbage and I trusted Wis on the rest.

VOTE: LQ

I think MS has made some good points about LQ not being Jest. I'm a little paranoid yet that he might be trying to bait me into voting him, but this is by far the most likely to hit scum and I'm willing to risk the slight chance of a jester loss here based on what I'm pretty sure is LQ panicking over my push on him. If we don't hit scum here the game gets really hard.

D3 after flipping another townie we have to pick a universal town/jest read and all agree to sheep that person in order to have a shot at winning.Scum can't out because if Jest doesn't play ball with them they're just fucked, so they'll probably go along with the plan. If we pick Jester they're fucked. If we pick scum we lose. If we pick town we have a 40% chance to not lose.

Funny how he goes right back to me without considering Clem at all whatsoever.

Because my guess (and it is a guess admittedly) is that Bingle is chainsawing me irt Clem.

Yep to you

How is Clem involved?

I attack Clem and Bingle goes after me. It might be coincidental, but I sorta feels it's not since Bingle hasn't actually said a thing about Clem. And Bingle keeps saying all I am doing is Jester hunting but that's simply not true. I have reads on pretty much everyone in the game, but Bingle turns a blind eye to that.

Like its another thing discussing the setup in mafia discussion and going "oh, 3-3 tie close to deadline is bad because jester will vote and get the lim"
and another to actually be a player in the game with reads and encourage LQ to hammer Cakez because of said theory

TBH, I was about to go to bed. That's the only reason I hammered Cakes there. I couldn't fight for Clem's Lim. That's literally the only reason I hammered Cakes.

VOTE: Clem

The resistance to limming Clem is absolutely outstanding. I can't help but seeing Clem as Scum based on so few people wanting to vote there. Clem has to be Scum FMPoV.

@Clemency any reads so far?
Which player(s) do you think seem scummiest so far (don't worry about whether they're scum or jester, just who seems scummiest on the face of it?

hey sorry ive been busy and exhausted and stuff
wisdom is town

i like you

mystik is cool too

lq slot is weird

bingle

i guess i dont like meg either

Clem's only content related post of the game fwiw. Doesn't give a read on me. Has exactly 3 TRs. Doesn't really give a read on Binble. Meg is their only SR.

Combine this with their buddying of me, and this has all the working of Clem being Scum.

I just see you scumreading low content

That's part of it, yes. But I also point out that no one wants to Limm them. The case for Limming Cakes is worse than the case for Limming Clem.

Nobody wants to lim me either and im town

Well, you have actually done stuff in this game. Clem isn't doing anything and what they are doing I can't read as Townie.

Meg was voting Clem. You need to reread

Fine. If I sheep you on Meg, and they flip Town, will you agree to vote Clem next?

D3 after flipping another townie we have to pick a universal town/jest read and all agree to sheep that person in order to have a shot at winning.Scum can't out because if Jest doesn't play ball with them they're just fucked, so they'll probably go along with the plan. If we pick Jester they're fucked. If we pick scum we lose. If we pick town we have a 40% chance to not lose.

Why are we waiting to Lim Scum again? Like, I don't get this strat that we just Lim anyone who isn't Jest. We should be looking at who is Scum.

So who is scum to you other than Clemency, because most of your reads have been jester reads?

NO! I've been saying Bingle is Mafia. Are you actually reading what I am saying or no? Now I think Meg is a decent Lim.

VOTE: Clem

why is Clem a better lim than Meg?

do you townread Meg and why?

IDK what my read on Meg is except not Jester.

Clem is a better Lim than Meg because Meg at least has some Townie things they have done.

LQ do me a favor and E-1 Meg
Im curious if Bingle breaks his policy for her

Okay, but if Meg flips Town, we Lim Clem next. Deal?

Wisdom, If Meg flips Town, I will only vote for Bingle or Clem. Deal?

Scum Clem in this game was really really absent, much like here

First instinct is he's scum again but I'm kind of worrying he does this as jester knowing he gets lim'd

Why doesn't this hold anymore?

yep clem is most likely not jester here
Id expect him to be having fun instead of being absent

or maybe that's what i want you to think
~(v-v)~

Wisdom, I still don't get why you see this as indicative of Clem being town rather than scum wanting to keep jester wifom alive.

Scum tries to make you think they're jester, they don't just post "Hey maybe I am jester"

Maybe Clem is just uninvested Mafia here. And you're reading into things because Clem hasn't said anything in like 50 hours.

Clem is just town for the reason i said. It's def not the lim today. Youre better off convincing me bingle isnt jester if you dont want meg

The above is all I could find in your read on Clem. So debunk that please.

If I don't vote Cakes there, there's no guarantee that a Lim even goes through.

Plurality?

Okay, but the votes were tied? I was under the assumption a Lim wouldn't go through unless I voted Cakes. Otherwise, I would have just let it rand.

So you weren't concerned either was jester?

I don't think Meg was acting like a Jester would. And I am Mafia reading Clem at this point so...

Because that's what the solve says unless im wrong on some townread

Like, your reason for TRing Clem is really really weak.

VOTE: Clem

Is being wrong inherently Scummy to you? If so why?

Being wrong isn't scummy. Actively twisting a narrative to push something is.

That's what I think you are doing irt me.

The idea that I am Scum for being wrong seems to be the read you've settled on.

The idea that I am twisting things rather than just having a derp moment is kinda telling tbh.

You've said I've been "survivalist" and I don't think I have. I think if I was survivalist I wouldn't be posting this much, hmmm? Like, isn't Clem and Meg being survivalist if anyone is?

VOTE: Clem

I didn't, I missed you switching back to Clem here.

Figures.

Mystik, do you usually get stronger/better as the game progresses?

usually, sometimes my initial gut reads are right and i’ve either gotten talked out of them/talked myself out of them but yeah because i have more information.

like nothing so far has changed my Wisdom read for example. it would have probably been better for the gamestate had we limmed Clemency > Cakez, eventhough i still think Clemency is town because Cakez would actually be doing something.

What is your Clem TR based on? Like I originally thought they were Scummy for not providing content (at all) but now they are just straight up not playing.

Mystik, do you usually get stronger/better as the game progresses?

usually, sometimes my initial gut reads are right and i’ve either gotten talked out of them/talked myself out of them but yeah because i have more information.

like nothing so far has changed my Wisdom read for example. it would have probably been better for the gamestate had we limmed Clemency > Cakez, eventhough i still think Clemency is town because Cakez would actually be doing something.

What is your Clem TR based on? Like I originally thought they were Scummy for not providing content (at all) but now they are just straight up not playing.

well, you would expect scum or jester to put in more effort because how does scum or jester!Clemency win this by not doing anything? Wisdom linked to a Clemency scumgame where he was extremely active and you would also expect jester!Clemency to be enjoying this a lot more.

I don't think I ever had Clem as Jester.

sorry i got burnout
what's happened since i was gone

Seek and you will find.

VOTE: Clem

Can we seriously do this YET!!!

Bare in mind we are basically playing handicap because of Clem.

Clem Dump.

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but Bingle doesn't live to D4. Just a hunch really but I felt like they were trying to ObvTown too hard when the rest of the thread was just screwing around.

Bingle has had a number of analysis posts that I liked, but then again, it might just

actually

be LAMIST since he's going so hard at this game. But IDK. Just don't want to think about Limming them at this point.

We should have voted off Clem when we had the chance.

If Ana/Clem and Bingle were scum and you town, then why aren’t you dead?

You and imaginality continuing to push Bingle as scum makes no sense.

Why isn't Bingle dead? Fuck if I know!

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Mystik, here me out here...

What if it's just Bingle and Wisdom and Wisdom has us pocketed so bad we can't see straight?

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Maybe Bingle is just Jester and you know it and you're Mafia with Clem.

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Id prolly bus Clem too at some point
In general i cant imagine me scum not bussing in this setup given its benefits

Words are cheap.

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Wisdom, why is Clem Town?

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I love how youre out of options and have to resort to arguing scum me though

Funny guy.

Tell me again why you are TRing Clem? Because I must have missed it or it wasn't convincing.

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Any combination of Bingle/Imaginality/Anastasia could have hammered town-LQ and won

Anastasia isnt scum with Bingle or Imaginality

Therefore if shes scum its with you

Why do I need to worry about her again?

Tell me why they are Town.

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VOTE: Wisdom

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No.

VOTE: Clem

Feel better here.

Clem is no longer part of this game

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Well thanks for making this easy for me ~.~

Yes, because it's so easy and everything makes sense.

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So now its either deadline or one of you just hammer because youre not winning this

Scum claim.

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@Mystik, you realize I bet the game that you are Town here, right?

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I basically pushed Clem all game long but for some reason, no one wanted to Lim them. Still, Wisdom had an excellent Scum game here, so props to them.

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Guess you're never trusting me again now ):

Pretty much considering you were my strongest TR for most of the game.

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Like, it didn't help that 2 of the best players in the game (Bingle and Wisdom) were both Scum (even though Bingle was Jester).

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I basically pushed Clem all game long but for some reason, no one wanted to Lim them. Still, Wisdom had an excellent Scum game here, so props to them.

I wanted Clem limmed at various times too. If we'd gone for Clem over Cakez at D1 deadline this game would have gone very differently

Yeah, that was me and Meg fucking things up. I totally forgot about plurality at several moments in this game. That's kinda on me.

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I basically pushed Clem all game long but for some reason, no one wanted to Lim them. Still, Wisdom had an excellent Scum game here, so props to them.

I wanted Clem limmed at various times too. If we'd gone for Clem over Cakez at D1 deadline this game would have gone very differently

Yeah we absolutely should have. Jester paranoia matters but Cakez was really obvtown here. And so was Meg at the time she was being wagoned but we still would have lost limming Bingle.

Meg was basically limmed because of Cakes going over as Town.

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I basically pushed Clem all game long but for some reason, no one wanted to Lim them. Still, Wisdom had an excellent Scum game here, so props to them.

I wanted Clem limmed at various times too. If we'd gone for Clem over Cakez at D1 deadline this game would have gone very differently

Yeah we absolutely should have. Jester paranoia matters but Cakez was really obvtown here. And so was Meg at the time she was being wagoned but we still would have lost limming Bingle.

Meg was basically limmed because of Cakes going over as Town.

Yeah but she was pretty obvtown by the time she was wagoned.

If either Wisdom or Bingle would have been Town, I think Town's chances would have been a lot better. Of course, Wisdom, who was widely TR was never going to entertain Limming Clem, which hurt us very badly.

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But you helped scum by hammering LQ. You didn’t have to do that. :/

I helped the notLQ faction. And it wasn’t to spite LQ either, which I’m pretty sure he knows.I didn’t particularly care which faction it was, just that for me it was game ending.

I guess I feel mildly better that I was basically hammered because people knew I was Town, so silver lining I guess.