Mini 2251: Triplicate! GAME OVER!

[mastina]

In game a I'm in a neighborhood with T3
Dwlee, RR, RCEnigma, House, Ircher
Ircher is still able to post and thinks that there are a lot of scum in the neighborhood due to low post count

Well either this is a lie or Jingle has once again fucked up Normal guidelines because per Normal guidelines, a neighbor should be required to flip as a Neighbor and neither House nor Ircher flipped as being a Neighbor.

A flip wouldn't show if it were a neighborizer, obviously, because the only one who'd show as the neighbor from a neighborizer is the neighborizer, but that's, what, seven names for a neighborhood? Not enough time to neighborize them all.

So I'm calling "Jingle why do you not do your bloody research" on this. Again.
(This is not the first theme game advertised as having "Normal Game mechanics" which then proceeded to have...a not-Normal game mechanic from Jingle in the 'Normal' game.)

(Kinda surprised Ircher didn't mention this tho. Ircher's a NRG member like me so he should've caught the fact that neighbors should flip as neighbors in a Normal game.)

[Titus]

Spoiler: vcs

Vote Count Normal.1.01

House(E-3):

Amy Dunne, Almost50, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill,

RCEnigma(E-4):

Lady Chloe, House, Dunnstral

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral(E-6):

RCEnigma

Almost50 (E-6):

Ircher

Radical Rat (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99(E-7):

CheekyTeeky(E-7):

Lady Chloe(E-7):

Ircher(E-7):

T3(E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

House(E-3):

Amy Dunne, Almost50, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill,

RCEnigma(E-4):

Lady Chloe, House, Dunnstral

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral(E-6):

RCEnigma

Almost50 (E-6):

Ircher

Radical Rat (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99(E-7):

CheekyTeeky(E-7):

Lady Chloe(E-7):

Ircher(E-7):

T3(E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

Amy Dunne (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

MegAzumarill (E-7):

Dwlee99(E-7):

Dunnstral(E-7):

RCEnigma(E-7):

CheekyTeeky(E-7):

Lady Chloe(E-7):

Ircher(E-7):

House(E-7):

T3(E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (11):

Everyone

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

Vote Count Normal.1.01

Radical Rat (E-2):

Ircher, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50, Amy Dunne,

House (E-5):

Dunnstral,

RCEnigma (E-5):

Lady Chloe, House,

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (1):

Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

Radical Rat (E-2):

Ircher, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50, Amy Dunne,

House (E-5):

Dunnstral,

RCEnigma (E-5):

Lady Chloe, House,

Amy Dunne (E-6):

House

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (1):

Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

RCEnigma(E-2):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Amy Dunne,

Amy Dunne (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

MegAzumarill (E-6):

Dwlee99(E-6):

Dunnstral(E-6):

CheekyTeeky(E-6):

Lady Chloe(E-6):

Ircher(E-6):

T3(E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (6):

Everyone Else

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

A Hammer In The Morning! A Hammer In The Evening! All Over This Land!

Vote Count Normal.1.01

House (E-4):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher,

Radical Rat (E-4):

Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-6):

House,

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

House (E-4):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher,

Radical Rat (E-4):

Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-6):

House,

MegAzumarill (E-6):

mastina

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

RCEnigma(E-0):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99, MegAzumarill, Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe, Ircher

Amy Dunne (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

MegAzumarill (E-6):

Dwlee99(E-6):

Dunnstral(E-6):

CheekyTeeky(E-6):

Lady Chloe(E-6):

Ircher(E-6):

T3(E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (6):

Everyone Else

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

RCEnigma has DIED in the Open Game.

He was: Wrapped in an Enigma and Shrouded in Mr. E.

Also

Spoiler:

Vanilla Town

Vote Count Normal.1.01

Dunnstral (E-1):

RCEnigma, Amy Dunne, Ircher, Lady Chloe, CheekyTeeky T3, Amy Dunne

MegAzumarill (E-4):

Dwlee99, mastina, House,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

Dunnstral (E-1):

RCEnigma, Amy Dunne, Ircher, Lady Chloe, CheekyTeeky T3, Amy Dunne

MegAzumarill (E-3):

Dwlee99,

Demon Lord

, mastina, House,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

Amy Dunne (E-5):

mastina (E-5):

Dwlee99(E-5):

Dunnstral(E-5):

CheekyTeeky(E-5):

Lady Chloe(E-5):

Ircher(E-5):

T3(E-5):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (8):

Everyone Else

With 8 alive, it takes

5

to murder/death/kill or

4

to choose not to.

@mod, can we get an updated VC please?

Sorry, I passed out early last night and have spent the morning sick.

There has been a hammer on Dunn in the open

Ircher->Chloe->Cheeky->Dwlee->T3

Dunn flips VT.

Votes reset for game three. I’ll edit this into a proper VC format as soon as I am able, but it may be a few hours.

Note: VC for Open not updated in this post, will update soon.

Vote Count Normal.1.01

Dunnstral (E-3):

RCEnigma, Ircher, CheekyTeeky Lady Chloe,

MegAzumarill (E-3):

House, mastina, Dwlee99, T3,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

House (E-6):

Amy Dunne,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-2):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, Dwlee99, T3,

Dunnstral (E-3):

RCEnigma, Ircher, CheekyTeeky, Lady Chloe,

Radical Rat (E-5):

MegAzumarill, Almost50,

House (E-6):

Amy Dunne,

RCEnigma (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Everyone Else

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Open.2.00

Ircher(E-0):

Lady Chloe, Amy Dunne, T3, Dwlee99

Amy Dunne (E-4):

mastina (E-4):

Dwlee99(E-4):

CheekyTeeky(E-4):

Lady Chloe(E-4):

T3(E-4):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Everyone Else

With 7 alive, it takes

4

to murder/death/kill or

4

to choose not to.

Ircher has been hammered.

He was

Spoiler:

Vanilla Town

Vote Count Normal.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, Ircher, HAMMER!

Radical Rat (E-5):

Almost50, Amy Dunne,

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma,

Ircher (E-6):

MegAzumarill,

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Lady Chloe,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-14 22:00:00).

Vote Count Mini Theme.1.01

MegAzumarill (E-0):

Demon Lord

, House, mastina, CheekyTeeky, T3, Radical Rat, Dwlee99, HAMMER!

Radical Rat (E-4):

Almost50, Ircher, Amy Dunne,

Dunnstral (E-6):

RCEnigma,

Ircher (E-6):

MegAzumarill,

mastina (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

House (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (2):

Dunnstral, Lady Chloe,

With 13 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

7

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-10 22:00:00).

Vote Count Normal.2.02

Radical Rat (E-3):

House, T3, Ircher,

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99

House (E-4):

Radical Rat, CheekyTeeky,

Dwlee99 (E-6):

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Ircher (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (4):

Amy Dunne, Almost50, Lady Chloe, mastina

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.2.01

Radical Rat (E-4):

House, T3, Ircher,

House (E-5):

Radical Rat, CheekyTeeky,

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

Dunnstral (E-7):

Ircher (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

Dwlee99 (E-8):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (7):

Amy Dunne, Almost50, Lady Chloe, RCEnigma, Dunnstral, Dwlee99, mastina

With 12 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-12 18:30:00).

Vote Count Normal.2.02

Ircher (E-2):

Amy Dunne, mastina CheekyTeeky, Almost50

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99

Dunnstral (E-4):

Lady Chloe, Radical Rat,

Dwlee99 (E-4):

T3, House,

Radical Rat (E-5):

Ircher,

House (E-5):

CheekyTeeky,

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (0):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.2.01

Ircher (E-3):

Amy Dunne, mastina, CheekyTeeky, Almost50,

Dunnstral (E-5):

Lady Chloe, Radical Rat,

Dwlee99 (E-5):

Demon Lord

, T3, House,

Radical Rat (E-6):

Ircher,

House (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

RCEnigma, Dunnstral, Dwlee99,

With 12 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 1 is in (expired on 2021-12-12 18:30:00).

Vote Count Normal.2.Final

Ircher (E-0):

Amy Dunne, mastina CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Radical Rat, House,

T3 (E-4):

Dunnstral, Dwlee99

Dunnstral (E-5):

Lady Chloe,

Dwlee99 (E-5):

T3,

Radical Rat (E-5):

Ircher,

House (E-5):

CheekyTeeky,

CheekyTeeky (E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Amy Dunne (E-6):

Almost50 (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (0):

With 11 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2021-12-19 06:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.2.FINAL

Ircher (E-0):

Amy Dunne, mastina, CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Radical Rat, House, T3,

Dunnstral (E-6):

Lady Chloe,

Radical Rat (E-6):

Ircher,

Dwlee99 (E-7):

Demon Lord

House (E-7):

CheekyTeeky (E-7):

T3 (E-7):

RCEnigma (E-7):

mastina (E-7):

Amy Dunne (E-7):

Almost50 (E-7):

Lady Chloe (E-7):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (3):

RCEnigma, Dunnstral, Dwlee99,

With 12 alive, it takes

7

to murder/death/kill or

6

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 2 is in (expired on 2021-12-12 18:30:00).

My first instinct is to look at the middle of the wagons, but that doesn't seem right unless they are overlapping. What's likely to have happened is that one scumteam took charge and the other sheeped.

[Dunnstral]

In game a I'm in a neighborhood with T3
Dwlee, RR, RCEnigma, House, Ircher
Ircher is still able to post and thinks that there are a lot of scum in the neighborhood due to low post count

Well either this is a lie or Jingle has once again fucked up Normal guidelines because per Normal guidelines, a neighbor should be required to flip as a Neighbor and neither House nor Ircher flipped as being a Neighbor.

A flip wouldn't show if it were a neighborizer, obviously, because the only one who'd show as the neighbor from a neighborizer is the neighborizer, but that's, what, seven names for a neighborhood? Not enough time to neighborize them all.

So I'm calling "Jingle why do you not do your bloody research" on this. Again. :P
(This is not the first theme game advertised as having "Normal Game mechanics" which then proceeded to have...a not-Normal game mechanic from Jingle in the 'Normal' game.)

(Kinda surprised Ircher didn't mention this tho. Ircher's a NRG member like me so he should've caught the fact that neighbors should flip as neighbors in a Normal game.)

I misspoke, it's in game B

[Titus]

I also think we desperately need a scumflip in either game. If Dwlee is confscum in B, then let's take the win there and hope he's scum in A. If I understand the mechanics, I would expect very little known bussing. So if Dwlee is scum in B, then I would expect his partners to not vote him in either game. So Dwlee's flip would be useful in that way.

[Dunnstral]

Also the neighborhood formed after night 1 I think

[Titus]

I would lim T3 at the moment for scum in A.

RR would be an ok lim for the VCA. Same as Dunn.

[mastina]

I think House's death puts us at Elo, which is very bad, but I think at this point it has to be mastina.

Ah yes, I was scum for defending House before and now I am scum for having contributed to House's death.

Sure makes sense to me!

Suffice to say: No, I am not scum. I meant it from the very beginning and it fucking shows start to finish that I am basically town in all three games. The

only

game I am

not

town in is the second, where I'm still

basically

town.
(Speaking of the second game tho:
VOTE: Dwlee99
Just getting this in.)

Radical Rat
Amy Dunne
mastina
MegAzumarill
Dwlee99
Dunnstral
Almost50
RCEnigma
CheekyTeeky
Lady Chloe
Ircher
House
T3

I am basically town in all three games.
Lady Chloe, Almost50, and CheekyTeeky, if any of them are scum frankly I'll just let them win the game because they're the players who'd have earned it via just being town.
RCEnigma is proven town in game 1 and is almost certainly town in game 2 as well.

So that leaves for scum candidates in both games:
Radical Rat
Amy Dunne
Dwlee99 (probably town in game 1 but confscum in game 2)
Dunnstral
House
T3

6 names for 3 scum in both games.

In game 2, from CheekyTeeky, we know there is an alignment change between House and me, me and CheekyTeeky, and a third at some point which makes Dwlee scum at the end.

The fourth can

only

be the Demon Lord, because there's no combination which can generate 4 changes otherwise.

House<1>

mastina

<2>

CheekyTeeky

<hypo-3>T3<hypo-4>RR<hypo-5>

Dwlee

is a change too many.

House<1>

mastina

<2>

CheekyTeeky

<hypo-0 change>T3<hypo-3>RR<hypo-4>

Dwlee

is impossible because Dwlee has admitted that they're scum.

House<1>

mastina

<2>

CheekyTeeky

<hypo-3>T3<hypo-0 change>RR<hypo-4>

Dwlee

is impossible because Dwlee has admitted that they're scum.

The

only

possibility is the Demon Lord counting as a change;
House<2>

mastina

<3>

CheekyTeeky

<hypo-0 change>T3<hypo-0 change>RR<hypo-4>

Dwlee

is possible, but it means there's two scum off the wagon.
If we take {A50, Lady Chloe, RCE} to be town, and IF we take the above combo to be the correct one, that means the 2/3 possible scum off the wagon are PRECISELY:
{Amy Dunne, Dunnstral}.

House<2>

mastina

<3>

CheekyTeeky

<hypo-0 change>T3<hypo-4>RR<hypo-0 change>

Dwlee

is possible, and means that Radical Rat would be scum.

It would also mean that 1/2 of {Amy Dunne, Dunnstral} would be scum and the other would be town.

House<2>

mastina

<3>

CheekyTeeky

<hypo-4>T3<hypo-0 change>RR<hypo-0 change>

Dwlee

is possible, and means that Radical Rat would be scum,

in addition to

T3

also

being scum.

This is the only scenario in which both of {Amy Dunne, Dunnstral} are town.

@AMY DUNNE:

@DUNNSTRAL:

From your perspectives, in game #2, Radical Rat should be literally confirmed scum to you. As in, 100% cannot be town by mechanics if you yourself are town.

For Game #1, it's unfortunately more difficult to solve. It's

probably

not Dwlee.
I doubt that Radical Rat is scum in all three games, so if he's scum in game #2 (which is highly likely as the only way he's not scum in game 2 is if both Amy Dunne and Dunnstral are scum and I doubt that), he's probably also town in game #1 like Dwlee.

Which leaves the

probable

scum in game #1 as:
{Amy Dunne, Dunnstral, House, T3}.

T3 is probably scum in 1/2 games.

If Amy Dunne and Dunnstral are both town in game #2, then T3 would probably be town in game #1 by virtue of being scum in game #2.
But if only 1/2 of Amy Dunne and Dunnstral are town in game #2, then T3 would probably be scum in game #1 by virtue of being town in game #2.

In other words, T3 is town in either game 1 or game 2, Amy Dunne and Dunnstral must have one game they are town in and one

Not deleting the above but striking it as I realized that while RR is probably not scum in all 3 games, there is a reasonable chance

T3

could in fact be scum in all 3 games, so the above thought process I abandoned once I realized it.

Still, though, regardless of T3 being scum in one game or both games, that means that there's a minimum of 2 scum in {Amy Dunne, Dunnstral, House} in game 1.

Which means that:

@AMY DUNNE:

@DUNNSTRAL:

From your perspectives, in game #1, the other of you should be literally confirmed scum to you. As in, 99*% cannot be town by mechanics if you yourself are town.

*The 1% is RR being scum in all three games.

You know what that also means?

Unless the scumteam for game #1 is precisely {Amy Dunne, Dunnstral, T3} (or RR is scum in all 3 games, I guess, but again, that isn't very likely imo), House would be scum in game #1.

(I should add: it's technically possible for House to be scum in game #2 as there's no distinguishing between town and scum for him, but House is probably not scum in all three games the same way RR probably isn't, and the math for RR being basically confscum to Amy Dunne/Dunnstral remains true.)

Gonna quote the actual solvey part for people so it's more visible to folks.

This continues to be true, even with House flipping town in game #1:

Almost50/Titus is town.
Lady Chloe is town.
CheekyTeeky is town.
I am town.

Given those four as town, the scum in the mini normal can only be:
{Radical Rat, T3, Dunnstral, Dwlee99}.
If you believe Dwlee to be town in game 1 the scumteam is exactly {Radical Rat, T3, Dunnstral}.
If you believe Dwlee was lying and is scum in both game A and B that gives extra flexibility butstill, a minimum of 2/3 of {RR, T3, Dunnstral} would be scum, and my top two preferences for game one are Radical Rat and T3.

[T3]

I have reason to believe dunn is town in a

[T3]

i really want to flip dwlee in the theme soon

[T3]

because i feel like it *could* tell us ai info about his alignment in a

[T3]

dwlee is at e1, please hammer

[T3]

neeeeeeever mind.
mastina hammered dwlee.

[mastina]

why does scum!RR kill me? Does that make sense to anyone?

I think at this point it has to be mastina.

I'll give you one guess.

(For the record, no, I never kill Amy Dunne here. I can prove it with meta, too--I've got a VERY DAMN LONG history of killing players I HAVE HISTORY WITH. CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Lady Chloe. Why are they all alive if I'm scum? They're the players I'd consider threats. I don't give a flying fuck about people scumreading me, scumreads on me are not threatening when they are not backed by the ability to use that read to leverage an advantage. Lady Dunne wasn't obvtown and was someone I was pushing to eliminate and wasn't charismatic and wasn't even hard-scumreading me. So she would be the literal BOTTOM of my nightkill priority and if you doubt this, I will bring up a very very long list of scumgames and the kills I make in them which will demonstrate why the Lady Chloe kill hard-clears me.

You might want to point out, "but mastina, weren't you gone?". Wrong night, buddy. I was gone N1 when RCE died. RCE is in fact a kill which fits my modus operandi, but that was the night I wasn't around at all. The night Lady Chloe was killed, I was around the whole night, logging in like 10 different times and actively posting. You could argue quite well I was scum if the kill order were reversed, if the kill I would never make happened on the night I wasn't around and the kill I definitely would make was on the night I was around, but the fact of the matter is, the kills hard-clear me.)

[CheekyTeeky]

Do you mean Amy instead of Lady Chloe?

[mastina]

Do you mean Amy instead of Lady Chloe?

No?

I have a long history of Taly. I consider Taly to be one of the best town players onsite in fact. Taly is Lady Chloe and is alive in both games.

I've never played with Amy Dunne before and from what I've seen thusfar, I'm not gonna lie: I'm not too impressed. Amy Dunne kinda feels like a discount Nancy Drew to me, might have the potential to grow to Nancy Drew levels eventually but is very much not at them yet, meaning that Amy Dunne is just...not someone I've interest in killing.

The Amy Dunne nightkill hard-clears me because I would not kill Amy Dunne and I was around that night.

My

nightkills would be the likes of Lady Chloe, Almost50/Titus, and you. *Especially* you, actually, given that Dwlee was telling the truth about killing you in game 2, meaning had I killed you in game 1 it'd remove you from the game. But all three of you are alive in the Normal because I am not scum there.

[mastina]

Oh wait I actually did misspeak in the latter half of 2013 so yes, I do indeed mean Amy Dunne there.

To be clear:
Amy Dunne is not someone I ever nightkill here because I don't consider Amy Dunne to be nightkill-worthy. Maybe after Amy Dunne is around more they can become Nancy Drew levels of nightkill worthy but

right now

, they just

aren't

. Nothing about them warrants that respect. Not obvtown, not charismatic, and probably not accurate. (Granted the last is also true of Nancy, but she's still obvtown and can throw her weight around.) Not yet at least. (I see the potential, I just think it's not realized yet and with it not being realized yet, it's not worth it right now.)

I was around N2 to decide night actions then.

I was not around N1 during the night RCE died.

While RCE is a kill I would make, the kills are backwards to what would fit a scumastina narrative. If Amy Dunne died the night I wasn't around and RCE died the night I was around, it'd make sense, but RCE died on the night I

wasn't

around and Amy Dunne died the night I

was

around.

If I was scum, I'd be killing the likes of {CheekyTeeky, Lady Chloe, Almost50/Titus}.
Not the likes of Amy Dunne.

[mastina]

why does scum!RR kill me? Does that make sense to anyone?

I think at this point it has to be mastina.

I'll give you one guess.

(For the record, no, I never kill Amy Dunne here. I can prove it with meta, too--I've got a VERY DAMN LONG history of killing players I HAVE HISTORY WITH. CheekyTeeky, Almost50, Lady Chloe. Why are they all alive if I'm scum? They're the players I'd consider threats. I don't give a flying fuck about people scumreading me, scumreads on me are not threatening when they are not backed by the ability to use that read to leverage an advantage. Amy Dunne wasn't obvtown and was someone I was pushing to eliminate and wasn't charismatic and wasn't even hard-scumreading me. So she would be the literal BOTTOM of my nightkill priority and if you doubt this, I will bring up a very very long list of scumgames and the kills I make in them which will demonstrate why the Amy Dunne kill hard-clears me.

You might want to point out, "but mastina, weren't you gone?". Wrong night, buddy. I was gone N1 when RCE died. RCE is in fact a kill which fits my modus operandi, but that was the night I wasn't around at all. The night Amy Dunne was killed, I was around the whole night, logging in like 10 different times and actively posting. You could argue quite well I was scum if the kill order were reversed, if the kill I would never make happened on the night I wasn't around and the kill I definitely would make was on the night I was around, but the fact of the matter is, the kills hard-clear me.)

(fixing the misspeaking I did)

[Titus]

Why in tarnations would anyone kill me mastina? I'm getting little interaction and I am confused.

[Titus]

@Mastina, what do you think of my tentative VCA analysis? Does it work with the wagon sensor?

[Jingle]

A Hammer!

Normal Game

It is now Night 3 in the Normal Game. Night 3 will last until (expired on 2021-12-13 03:00:00).

Vote Count Theme.3.FINAL

Dwlee99 (E-0):

Amy Dunne, Lady Chloe,

Demon Lord

, Dunnstral, T3, mastina,

T3 (E-5):

House (E-6):

Dunnstral (E-6):

Radical Rat (E-6):

Amy Dunne(E-6):

mastina (E-6):

Titus (E-6):

Lady Chloe (E-6):

RCEnigma (E-6):

No Elim (0):

Not Voting (8):

Dwlee99, Radical Rat, House, Titus, RCEnigma

With 10 alive, it takes

6

to murder/death/kill or

5

to choose not to.

The deadline for Day 3 is in (expired on 2021-12-21 15:00:00).

[Jingle]

Dwlee99 has been eliminated in the Mini Theme!

They were:

Spoiler:

Welcome, Dwlee99 to Triplicate Mafia: Carbon Paper. A love letter to Bureaucracy at its finest.

You are

Petition 1969

, aligned with the Petition faction.

You have your voice, your vote, and a secret lounge where you and the other Petitions may lounge around and play Snooker. Additionally, to make you less useless than real world petitions, you may straight up murder someone every night.

Additionally, you may target a player each night and choose Loved or Hated. That player will have that modifier for the next day phase as long as there are at least three more non Petition players than Petition players.

You win when Petitions control half of the votes, or nothing can prevent this from happening.

It is now night in the Mini Theme.

Night actions are due within (expired on 2021-12-14 01:00:00).

[Jingle]

There was an error in the vote count in post 639 causing Amy Dunne to appear on the wagon twice. Her vote was accurately counted only the once, I had just failed to remove it while moving the vote. This has been corrected.

For the record, Amy Dunne was only voting Dunnstral once as of that post.

[Radical Rat]

Players will not receive action results for nights during which they die

My bad, I missed that bit. Unfortunate.

[Radical Rat]

Ah yes, I was scum for defending House before and now I am scum for having contributed to House's death.

Sure makes sense to me!

Initially, I thought extending your easily fakeable alibi to House was a potential indicator you were scum together, yes. However, that's clearly not the case now, so I guess it was either a failed pocket attempt, or simply made to look like an associative in case you flipped first.

But regardless of your intent dragging House into your "alibi," you did establish that he should have been cleared just as much as you were. So it doesn't really make sense for you to help push that elimination, unless you actually did understand that your "alibi" proves nothing, in which case you wouldn't have been using it to clear yourself

[Radical Rat]

Also, a bit late now, but I think we should have waited just a bit longer to eliminate Dwlee, which is why I didn't vote for them earlier. Ideally we'd have the games spread out as much as possible, but having ~22 hours should be enough I suppose