Micro 1051 | Minimalist Micro Normal | Postgame

[NorwegianboyEE]

h

[NorwegianboyEE]

So minimalist that’s my greeting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I wanted to make a joke post that used everyones username as an regular word in the post.
But then i got stumped, because what the hell does "Ircher" mean?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hey Worst, remember that time we made u 8-ball and then elimmed you.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Slow game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You could say... a lot of you are being wallflowers.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’m not one for heavy moderation critique, but that VC design is kinda confusing to look at for me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

wait you're NOT pooky?

Yeah.
Them having Pooky’s discord link on their profile page is just an coincidence i’m sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

On the next episode of Minimalist Mafia…

Is Tracer Bullet Pooky or not Pooky?

What

is

the optimal vote count format??

Will scumhunting ever occur???????

Stay tuned to find out!

Tbh this is an high improvement to the mafia experience rather than just boring scum hunting.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Meg

because I don't want to make Norwee sad

Noo, i don't want u to not vote me cus of considerations. That makes me feel even worse.
If i'm scum you need to VOTE me sir.
Follow your principles!! I don't want you to not vote me if i roll scum!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Although i'm not scum so you don't need to vote me.

[NorwegianboyEE]

time for my first way too early readlist

Tracer can be town.

Pocketing attempt? "Ah yes, you are so townie for making reads early game, town!"
Said the scum or what.
VOTE: Ircher

[NorwegianboyEE]

Pocketing attempt? "Ah yes, you are so townie for making reads early game, town!"
Said the scum or what.

What a lazy read!
VOTE: Norwegian

^Lazy scum omgus.

[NorwegianboyEE]

What an easy game, Ircher making catching them as mafia like taking candy from a baby.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am skeptical of the idea that Ircher is scum

It's always good to be skeptical.

[NorwegianboyEE]

0% so early in the game is a stretch.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I evaluated the given reads and determined that the align with a town alignment. It is not the mere act of giving reads, but the content of those reads that matter.

Ok, so what content was it that was townie?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If y'all are sceptical of scum!Ircher, allow me to be SCEPTICAL of their claim that they determined the given reads to be of the town alignment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I didn't realize i was in a death trap in the first place.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Literally everyone here except Wallflower.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ircher is quite a lot more self-aware and self-conscious as scum. I don't really see him doing either of 1) accidentally townreading someone for a rand readlist; or 2) deliberately townreading someone for a rand readlist as scum lol.

i also think he's been wagoned early in every single game i've ever played with him

why do you think he's scummy nor ?

They directly stated to have find the content in Tracer's reads list townie. I'm now waiting to hear those reasons to see if it sheds light on the matter. Until them I'm of the opinion that what they did was an scummy act and any comments made afterwards could just be justification made after the fact.
I don't care about that sort of meta and i think that kind of thinking leads to townreading scum that has broken their meta or is playing differently because of an new environment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

You two are boring.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ircher is quite a lot more self-aware and self-conscious as scum. I don't really see him doing either of 1) accidentally townreading someone for a rand readlist; or 2) deliberately townreading someone for a rand readlist as scum lol.

i also think he's been wagoned early in every single game i've ever played with him

why do you think he's scummy nor ?

They directly stated to have find the content in Tracer's reads list townie. I'm now waiting to hear those reasons to see if it sheds light on the matter. Until them I'm of the opinion that what they did was an scummy act and any comments made afterwards could just be justification made after the fact.
I don't care about that sort of meta and i think that kind of thinking leads to townreading scum that has broken their meta or is playing differently because of an new environment.

this isn't really meta. i think you're hyperfocused on something that looks bad, and you're not analysing whether or not it *is* bad.

And tbh, why couldn't it be you that's hyperfocusing on him being town for a reason that's probably not as strong as you think it is.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you're basically saying your read is kinda half-assed if you gonna say it's based on tea leaves and meta i don't even know.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would prob find Worst's playstyle right now quite scummy tbh, if i didn't already see them do this exact thing in 8-ball.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's like they act so lost, but so confident at the same time. And it's just so weird.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The Worst effectively stating: "I don't really have a strong reason to townread Ircher, but i just do" is absolutely an oxymoron. But it's the kinda thing i could see town!them say so

shrug

.
Possibly town indicative unless scum!them is very good at emulating their town meta.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also i'm assuming you scumread Mega, tell me more on that read Worst.

[NorwegianboyEE]

No i want u to be specific.

[NorwegianboyEE]

-_-

[NorwegianboyEE]

How many times do i need to say that you’re being the worst, old man.

[NorwegianboyEE]

why do u like megazu?

Who says i like them?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cus i want to hear your thoughts on a slot i’m uncertain about?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Maybe all conversations with me feel like scum theatre.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Setup?

[NorwegianboyEE]

feels a bit too easy catching NorScumBoy and Megazu this early on D1

So why the backtrack.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh wow, i definitely don’t like that Ircher skipped over and ignored my question.

[NorwegianboyEE]

sometimes I just have my suspect sit in a chair while I slowly drain a bottle of Kentucky Bourbon.

it's the dread that gets them.

This seems tonally townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well that’s nice dear.

How about a deal?

Will you vote Gamma with me?

VOTE: Gamma Emerald

Seems slightly out of nowhere.

[NorwegianboyEE]

My paranoia that Wallflower could be tryharding scum is enough to make me feel ambivalent about the Gamma wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ok, so what content was it that was townie?

The color-coding says it all.

Back to this.

…what?

[NorwegianboyEE]

People who I have as varying degrees of townread (in no particular order):

The worst
Tracer
Mega
Norwegianboy
Ircher
Something_smart

Don’t think you’ve explained the Ircher read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I see, but I also don’t

(I must admit that I sorta like the response. It’s keeping me on my toes!)

PEdit: what do you mean by “said scum!play”?

Something seems really wrong about this response but i can’t really put it in words.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh RCE is maybe town huh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Townie effort.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It wouldn't have been necessary at that point in time.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RCE wasn't really under suspicion and seemed to be on the top of many peoples townreads, (although i was still reserved about them) so the fact that they post a big chungus case at that timing seems to be made because of an genuine desire to do so rather than an "Oh shit, i'm getting scumread, need to put in some townie effort quick" reaction. Etc.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And again, not saying they can't post reasons for voting you as scum.
But i am of the belief that they would have conveyed that same thought using much less words and explanation if that was the case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cool! Thanks

I think the fact that the effort's on

me

is also significant. I don't think the gamestate's opinion of me is high enough that much justification for a vote on me is really needed. I could imagine everyone thinking "yeah, makes sense" regardless (an example being the worst's post).

Hmm, maybe i should silence the accusatory paranoia demon in my head just a little bit in regards to you.
But only a little.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Didn't i already drone on for pages about not agreeing Worst's take on Ircher.
Or are you asking if i think it's alignment indicative.

[NorwegianboyEE]

"Town but not for that reason" he says.
And then he points to something that seems extremely easy to fake as scum.
Like omg: "You didn't say i was town in this reads list when i'm town", most town indicative statement ever!!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why would i want to piss anyone off.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i'd appreciate it if you didn't insinuate that because i have had to deal with an toxic relationship in my life where i got constantly told that i was trying to make them mad on purpose even when i wasn't and etc.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is there anyone who actually thinks Gamma can be town atp

Yes?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hi Toogeloo!! a lotta people think you were scum, and you're a counterwagon to ircher who im flabbergasted people are voting lol

RCE is town
Megazu is town
I think ircher is town

all the best

Why are you flabbergasted, you just said earlier you didn’t have a good reason to townread Ircher.

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE:

All caught up.

Then do sumthing with your vote pal.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RCE how do you play as scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you nice or mean.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Going by where you last posted, 6 pages.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you nice or mean.

Potatoes are neither.

Like the last 2-3 times playing scum against you I've been called out each time over my passivity or just overall vibe.

Sweet potato or long boiling time potato?

[NorwegianboyEE]

So Ircher comes in and asks what’s going on, obviously doesn’t get an answer because why would we help him. And that’s seemingly their entire contribution. Was they just budy? Because they sure didn’t serm busy.
Lots of stuff have happened that i’m sure town!him would have commented on but that’s all we got.
I do not townread this.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tracer can be scum and i’d still want them in the game for the nice flavour.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was wondering where those wall type posts from Control were.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ircher, if my post on RCE was bad take, why didn’t you mention Wallflower whom said the exact same thing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you elaborate RCE read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Somehow i had already predicted 10 pages ago Worst’s voting pattern.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I may be red on the outside, but inside is an green core of pure innocence.

[NorwegianboyEE]

would you like a glass of water?

I don’t get it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel pretty sure Wallflower, Megazumarill, RCE, Toog are town.
That leaves room for sorting in Tracer Bullet, Ircher, The Worst, Something_Smart.

[NorwegianboyEE]

/consider

Ircher / S_S
Tracer / ?
Worst / Ircher?
S_S / Worst?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Gonna check possible partner relations between all this 4 when i get on comp. This was just a phone thought dump so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Spoiler:

Priority 1:


Ircher - S_S:

Ircher ISO
44, agreement to reads list from townie that has S_S and themself as top towns.
57, “content of the reads that matter” never contextualises why the content from Tracer Bullet is town indicative
297 no mention or quoting of any post made by S_S. Every single other user in the game other than S_S mentioned. (7 out of 8)

S_S ISO
Nothing worth mentioning other than that Ircher isn’t a topic they have brought up at all, but they do quote or mention Worst and Tracer. Short ISO with not much actual content yet.
Ircher has been a major topic in thread but they have yet to make an stance on them which could be because of reluctance to make one. Cross-checked whether they have made stances on other players, and that list includes: Worst, RCE, only.

Likelihood of scum association: Present


Ircher - Tracer

Ircher ISO
44, Calling Tracer immediately town for their reads that has them in light town. Very obvious anti-associative action between the two.
57 and 128, handwaving/explanation attempt. “Content of the reads make them town” “Colour-coding” Obvious BS. Not likely scum/scum because of how lazy it is.
130, “If Tracer is truly Pooky”. Could be distancing but i believe it’s genuine they aren’t sure of the slots true identity. They’d prob know more for sure if scum/scum so another anti-associative.
297, Reassuring Tracer that putting someone to E-1 isn’t bad. Anti-associative.

Tracer ISO
35, townleans Ircher. No comment.
112 and 113, Suggests same read as Ircher (Norwee scum) but also says it seems “too easy”, not setting up their scum partner for success if they are both scum trying to elim me. Also not likely a distancing attempt because it’s kinda obscure. Anti-associative.
157, still townleans Ircher. No change.
In general: Not much mention of Ircher, keeps them at light-town but performs actions that seem to be based on an independence and lack of care for Irchers slot in general. Which points more to lack of association.

Likelihood of scum association: No.


Ircher - Worst
Ircher ISO
44, agreement to reads list from townie that has Worst and themself as top towns.
297, Slight shade on Worst, calling them out for not “following their instincts”, bit of wtf comment if scum/scum.
304, “It’s clear you’re assuming the worst of me” Oh my god, what a crumb! (Ok no, this isn’t relevant whatsoever.)

Worst ISO
63, 70 and 73, Starts up the game with a lot of defence of Ircher, instead of subtly trying to redirect the wagon and also make sure to not destroy their own slot in the case of an Ircher!scumflip they go all in and say it is 0% chance it will hit scum when Ircher already has some votes. This is only scum/scum if Worst is power-wolfing. A playstyle I do not recognize to be a part of their game under any circumstance. Anti-associative.
Also worth mentioning that 73, 83 and 178 are probably genuine reads made from someone that believes what they are saying even if it’s likely wrong in my opinion. I townread those posts in retrospect, which makes Worst even less likely to be scum with any slot here.
96, mention of Ircher but never explains the meaning.

Likelihood of scum association: No.


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Priority 2:


Tracer - S_S

Tracer ISO
35, Reads list with S_S as top town.
157, reads with S_S now as null. Significant change from previous reads list. Indication of reason of change during the time between is not present.
184 Asks S_S if they are ok 6 minutes after S_S posted 5 previous posts with no mention of Tracer. Curious.
250 Asks S_S to elaborate their reasoning for “town reading RCE but for an different reason.
In general: Nothing really significantly pointing to this either being or not being scum/scum interactions. But lack of anything conclusive probably points to not scum/scum.

S_S ISO
45 and 87, Calls Tracer Pooky. Can be inferred from Tracer’s profile at the time. Nothing relevant.
252, S_S answering a directly asked question from Tracer. I have no real conclusion here.

Likelihood of scum association: Low, but not conclusive.


Worst - S_S

Worst ISO
202, asks why Wallflower townreads S_S.
204, mentions “they can sense S_S is town” but they are also not too sure.
In general: Nothing really pointing one way or the other. No conclusion to make.

S_S ISO
180 and 181, One of the only reads S_S makes, explains that they have reason to townread Worst because they seem different in this game from previous game together where Worst was scum. Also says their read might be a giant reach and inserts a meme picture to go along with it. Pretty strange read to make if partnered as it doesn’t seem to have an agenda other than making a read for the sake of making an read on The Worst. I don’t think S_S would have posted this if scum partners. Although the post is kinda scummy from S_S to begin with. Seems like the sort of fake read scum makes to seem like they are solving, but is also easy to make because pointing out that a player that was scum in a previous game is now acting differently in “new game” as scum is super easy. Anti-associative.

Likelihood of scum association: No.


Tracer - Worst

Tracer ISO
35, Has Worst as top townread.
53, Incredibly brazen post to make if associated. Calls out the fact that they are indicating a townread on Worst even though they haven’t posted and asking why nobody is mentioning this. Anti-assocative.
157, Now has Worst as null. Significant change from previous reads list. The reason for the change is not obvious.

Worst ISO
137, Votes Tracer
175, their next post. Asks if they should sheep Tracer whom they previously voted for or Wallflower?? Anti-associative.
270, Hmm I don't understand this post. But it's probably not important.

Likelihood of scum association: No.

Conclusion:
Ircher / S_S primary scumteam suspects.
Tracer / S_S = Low probability but not outside of the question.

Teams with an combination of any of Tracer / Worst / Ircher are not likely.
S_S Worst not likely.

Next step when i get motivation: Check S_S with all other slots in the game.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel pretty sure Wallflower, Megazumarill, RCE, Toog are town.

Does anyone here disagree with these slots being town.
I feel like i should take these slots into consideration when i'm team-checking, but i have various reasons to townread them so i'd rather not spend too much effort unless there is like a good reason.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Have you guys heard of this wonderful thing called spoiler tags.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I am up for killing RCEnigma

Did you ever explain this read.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like Ircher can claim i'm scum all they want.
But at least i have been consistently open with my thoughts this entire way, meanwhile Ircher just said they can vote RCE for an unspecified reason and that me and RCE are a team, but haven't done jack to explain why they believe that to be the case.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not fully yet, but I think I addressed it partially yesterday.

No.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If i read: "it’s because they just read as scum to me" from Ircher one more time and they still claim their slot should be read as town here then i’m gonna laugh.

If you give nothing, then you don’t deserve a townread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Why won't you people POST

[NorwegianboyEE]

Guess i'll afk until deadline and y'all decide it's time to stop staring at your navels and actually do something.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Is your previous reads list the one you have right now?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you try to be a bit more explanative about your thoughts of the game right now then?

[NorwegianboyEE]

This game still feels very "stagnated day 1" right now so i'd like to see any effort to reverse that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I was asking of your thoughts why you going full on psychologist.

[NorwegianboyEE]

And i’ve already explained why i think Ircher is scum.
People didn’t wanna listen, i have not changed my mind and started believing they are town.
It’s an stalemate.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Even if i were to have 2/2 scum now it don’t matter if nobody wanna hear what u say because they believe in their own logic more and are hard to budge, or don’t trust u.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh i just realized i’m prob being annoying.
Gonna call it at that today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

on top of the fact the wagon on ircher was already stupid, the game has now stagnated with him as lead wagon :p who do people think ircher is aligned with? what does literally anyone think scum are doing?

I think S_S is an viable partner to Ircher, and the gamestate makes sense for Ircher!scum cus it’s always harder to wagon a slot that scum slots don’t want to support as the D1 elim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RCE i townread and Tracer, hmm i guess he COULD be scum, but he isn’t alligned with Ircher so if Ircher!scum he is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ircher has mostly just been doing these scummy: "Haha, gotcha!" takes which their RCE read is an prime example on.
It feels fake as F.

[NorwegianboyEE]

They are simultaneously being low energy in their solving energy, and putting forth some really bad and fake solving.
And somehow people here still claim they townread it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ircher not doing anything is an perfectly viable strategy for scum!him btw.
And if the town are willing to let them keep cruising then there is no reason for them to change their strategy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

It’s the age old strategy of "eh, the town will get bored and lose focus eventually."

[NorwegianboyEE]

Or: "Ohh, i see a shiny and change my vote a lot"

[NorwegianboyEE]

I realize this might be extremely biased, but i want to townread you based on the fact that you are one of the few players that is being proactive right now.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I agree with u RCE that thinking long term strategy it seems like having Ircher flip town is much less damaging to the gamestate than an eventual Tracer townflip.
Also i do not think they are SvS. Like more than 95% sure.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ircher still just lurking too, i don’t like it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I also believe Worst is unalligned with Ircher. Both!scum wouldn’t have Worst vouching for them so hard when they look objectively bad. Reads more to me like a tunneled townie, except tunneled about Irchers supposed innocence.
If Ircher flip scum i would be pretty sure Worst!town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ircher is prob just looking at Worst defending them and being like: "Ah yes, i don’t need to do anything cus 1 town hard townreads me nyehehe"

[NorwegianboyEE]

It's not the page count that bothers me really. It's when nobody is placing votes or saying anything that matters.
A game can have lot amount of pages and still feels like it's fast paced if people type posts that actually convey something interesting or solvey.

[NorwegianboyEE]

A game can have not many pages and still be interesting*
Is what i meant to convey.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Conversely you can have 70 page games where nothing really happens.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like what has Ircher done.
They just vote me and say "i read them as scum" like ok, that's it. Real nice C O N T R I B U T I O N. And that's also kinda what they did with RCE before finally giving an explanation, but then they switched to Tracer. And they haven't explained that read either, which just makes it look like they read that the thread vibe was heading against Tracer so they decided to move there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

E-2 is generally claim territory, but I haven't played a game this small in a while, so I'm not sure if E-1 is proper or not.

N_M not in the game we're fine.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like what has Ircher done.
They just vote me and say "i read them as scum" like ok, that's it. Real nice C O N T R I B U T I O N. And that's also kinda what they did with RCE before finally giving an explanation, but then they switched to Tracer. And they haven't explained that read either, which just makes it look like they read that the thread vibe was heading against Tracer so they decided to move there.

I think you're a bit hyperfocused on ircher needing to explain his read in you. I'm not sure that his lack of doing so is really scum motivated.

Is he trying it on as scum? Eh. Maybe.
Does he think he's gonna get your lim? Big doubt.
I think his lack of need to explain himself shows pure mindset and the way he was like "I dont need to explain myself" on rce then just totally did is kinda towny actually?

I feel like ur just setting up the precedent for scum!Ircher to never need to explain his reads with this dumb "pure" defense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like even if he's town he should be sharing his reads, that's the point of this game. To solve people's allignment, i will never read not doing so as towny.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like what has Ircher done.
They just vote me and say "i read them as scum" like ok, that's it. Real nice C O N T R I B U T I O N. And that's also kinda what they did with RCE before finally giving an explanation, but then they switched to Tracer. And they haven't explained that read either, which just makes it look like they read that the thread vibe was heading against Tracer so they decided to move there.

I think you're a bit hyperfocused on ircher needing to explain his read in you. I'm not sure that his lack of doing so is really scum motivated.

Is he trying it on as scum? Eh. Maybe.
Does he think he's gonna get your lim? Big doubt.
I think his lack of need to explain himself shows pure mindset and the way he was like "I dont need to explain myself" on rce then just totally did is kinda towny actually?

I feel like ur just setting up the precedent for scum!Ircher to never need to explain his reads with this dumb "pure" defense.

Maybe. But my wincon is to elim scum, not to elim town with incompatible playstyles.

I don't think we can just chalk it up as an pure playstyle difference. I've seen games where Ircher has explained their reads to an much greater extent so it's not like this is how town!Ircher always plays. Granted, it could be how town!Ircher decided to play in this game, but that's not for sure, and that is too weak of an argument to really convince me they must be town here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I suppose you could convince me to elim an slot that is even scummier than Ircher, but what is it exactly you think has been manipulative from Tracer so far?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not saying i'm gonna unvote Ircher and vote with you.
Just saying you could give it a shot at convincing me if you really are that convinced.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I need to FEEL that you want it though Duck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Youve got what you'll get from me. We're wagoning one scum, and it isn't Ircher. Tracer has a buddy off-wagon, and is being overtly manipulative to keep ircher's wagon in-tact. There's a profound dissonance between be tween "idc lim me, garbage town" and all of the shit hes pulling here. please don't fall for this.

I'll consider it if Ircher posts reads.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Day 1 Count XIV

Ircher

(E-2) - NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma, Tracer Bullet

Tracer Bullet

(E-2) - the worst, Ircher, Wallflower

Someting_Smart

(E-4) - MegAzumarill

the worst

(E-4) - Toogeloo

Not Voting

- Something_Smart

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 9 remaining, it takes 5 to form a majority.

The

Day

ends in (expired on 2022-04-14 15:26:23).

Like i can kinda see your point. If i were to guess if this is TvT or SvT wagons my guess would be on SvT.
SvS is out of the question as i do not believe it's possible they are aligned.
Which makes it possible i could be wrong. Ironically though, i think every slot on both leading wagons are town except Ircher/Tracer in a SvT world.
So something like 1 scum in Tracer/Ircher and the second in Mega/Toog/S_S feels like a good lead to go on for day 1.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well actually, Wall could be partner too if Ircher scum.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Whatever. I think this is winnable through day play. I'm informed that Ircher is town.

Is that why you defended them even thought they haven’t been playing townie?

[NorwegianboyEE]

ditto, i think this wagon hits scum like, eerily close to 0% of the time

This makes sense then. I was very curious why Worst said this so early in the game. But it makes sense if they were informed about their allignment from gamestart.

K, it’s probably not a fake clsim. I believe you. UNVOTE:

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ircher apathy bad.
Get’s you outed instantly.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm willing to elim in the people who didn't pick sides since Ircher v me is T/T

If this truly is TvT i’d want to kill the guy that just spent his time playing chess.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Very Flavour Leaf from u today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Normally i’d find that kind of creepy confidence from Tracer scummy, but i think those type of players just get supercharged with confidence over time and experience.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ll consider this more tommorow.
Meanwhile i’m just gonna keep my vote here.
VOTE: Something Smart

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meh i feel low effort today.
Should i just vote Toog then.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Don't wanna vote Tracer so...

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Toogeloo

[NorwegianboyEE]

do you feel strongly about SS

I really don't care atp feeling demotivated

If i felt strongly about it i prob wouldn't be voting someone else.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Do you think Toog has done anything townie?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Reconsidering my worst read. This play is suicide as scum, regardless of Ircher's alignment.

Wait i actually like this post.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah screw it i wanna vote S_S.

VOTE: Something_Smart

[NorwegianboyEE]

U haven't done anything townie.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh. Oh, yes I have. I see now why I didn't immediately remember.

I think I got, like ~generic good vibes~ from him there, which feel slightly different from the pointedly solvey ones I'm getting here. But maybe that's just a giant reach.

Spoiler: wHY DOES THIS EXIST

Also this read felt like it came a bit out of nowhere and seems like the sort of read scum makes to show that they are "solving".

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also this read felt like it came a bit out of nowhere and seems like the sort of read scum makes to show that they are "solving".

What do you mean by came out of nowhere? It obviously came out of me reading his posts and comparing it to past experience. And why does it seem like that sort of read?

Considering Worst is close to conf!town at this point it makes me believe your post could have been pocketing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also you were entirely absent during the whole Ircher debacle.
There are a lot of little things.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So because my read was right, it was pocketing...?

Is that shocking? Scum already are informed which slots are town so it is easy to find up some BS reason to townread a town player, especially one that might be seen an an threat.
I'm saying your play seems more informed than uninformed so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Should i townread S_S for indignance?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tracer Bullet (E-3) - the worst, Ircher

actually thinking it might be fine to just lim me here since these 2 refuse to play the game if i'm alive and the death tunnel is probly game losing if we miss today

Nah that argument just doesn't work.
If you are town you should play like you want to live, and when has anyone ever re-evaluated their reads based on their scumread not flipping scum anyway.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So because my read was right, it was pocketing...?

Is that shocking? Scum already are informed which slots are town so it is easy to find up some BS reason to townread a town player, especially one that might be seen an an threat.
I'm saying your play seems more informed than uninformed so far.

Also i should add that i think this is extra valid for S_S since their playstyle as scum seems to be to just do what's required to be townread and then stay quiet so as not to arouse further suspicion.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Also like... 1 day left pretty much guys.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'll switch to Toog if Tracer has no momentum by EOD but like he is clearly still making 0 efforts to solve this.

Not thrilled about the SS wagon. Which of nor & megazu are scum? :c

Why are you that convinced Tracer is scum?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Without just the: "Omg Ircher wagon must have scum" part.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I could vote Toog if we have to kill on wagon tho, cus i think joining the wagon later is more chance of maf.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Day 1 Count XV

Ircher

(E-1) - NorwegianboyEE, RCEnigma, Tracer Bullet, Toogeloo

Tracer Bullet

(E-2) - the worst, Ircher, Wallflower

Someting_Smart

(E-4) - MegAzumarill

Not Voting

- Something_Smart

Notes

• My mod ISO is here.
  
• With 9 remaining, it takes 5 to form a majority.

The

Day

concludes in (expired on 2022-04-14 19:26:23).

Well actually Tracer was third on wagon so that’s kinda late too. Didn’t realize that.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually Toog sheeped end of Ircher wagon and now end of Tracer wagon.
If Tracer is town they look pretty bad actually. Maybe i was wrong on them.
I just don’t think Tracer is scum here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think there’s more consensus here than S_S and it could flip scum so ina do this after all.
VOTE: Toogeloo

[NorwegianboyEE]

This is with a lot of nervousness tbh cus Pooky has pwned me as scum before.

[NorwegianboyEE]

But somehow i feel like he would go even harder on the buddying if he was scum here

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not enough memes?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Great, i love it when it feels like all my reads suck.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Actually I'm backtracking all of that lol I think Tracer could just be scum.

Why?

[NorwegianboyEE]

NorwegianboyEE- Early townread, fell off recently because the frustration feels agenda-y

Pretty sure if i was scum here i would feel much more comfortable because i'd know which slot to push and just stick to it.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Ircher was a strong scumread.

[NorwegianboyEE]

In fact i'd still think they were scum if not confirmed. Their play hasn't struck me as townie at all.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I prefer the term reverse psychology if we're really going there.
Btw do you think there is scum on your wagon? And if so who?

[NorwegianboyEE]

S_S make your decision in who to vote clear or i will vig u tonight.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Not voting when it's 7 hours left until deadline is scummy.

[NorwegianboyEE]

So you are leaning on voting Tracer?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Honestly i think limming Toog is the better play here.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like is our goal to kill the talkative player so all we have left is to sort in the annoying slots that don't do anything unless you literally threaten to vig them if they don't post something useful.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm VT

I thought that was fairly obvious when I said I'm fine dying today

It was a mere formality anyway. If you claimed anything, we'd know it was a fake claim.

I think Tracer is choosing the unoptimal play here if he was scum. Which means it is just likely town and a mislim.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I would be ok with a Meg wagon too tbh.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now i'm even more convinced Tracer is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

VOTE: Megazumarill
Flashwagon anyone?

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'm willing to vote Toog here if a town flip means we kill Tracer tomorrow.

I know Meg hasn't done much lately, but I'm not really up for limming there rn. I saw something earlier in the day from Meg that is unlikely to come from scum based on my knowledge of the setup.

Plz no bad setup spec. Vote based on play.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I believe they are referring to the fact that they are simoultaneously voting S_S and Tracer Bullet.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Tryna sound town be like:

I do not intend to claim. We have had enough today.
Kill me if you must but I'm opposed to it on principle of knowing my own alignment

[NorwegianboyEE]

Yeah but I didn't want people to chase yet another wagon after my VT claim

That doesn’t make much sense.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Sigh

[NorwegianboyEE]

In the immortal words of my friend, Pooky...

I choose not me

Are you both scum or something.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Well with two V/LA's that's gonna make this game even less lively than it used to be. Great.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Now i'm even more convinced Tracer is town.

Is this still the case?

Mega's flip didn't really change my mind on things too much. I don't really understand why Ircher knew from anything mechanically why an VT slot was more likely town but they are conf!town and don't want to share so whatever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

MegAzumarill (E-0) - Tracer Bullet, NorwegianboyEE, Something_Smart, the worst, Ircher

Also you were on the wagon too, what is this hypocrisy lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

The flash wagon kinda killed my whim. It shouldn't have but it's whatever, I'll pick it back up.

I'm still convinced tracer/ss/wall has 1 if not both scum.

Sounds like a townie thought.
The "killed my whim" part.
Cus it sounds real and not an excuse.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Consider my spiritual vote on Toog right now, but that’s not final. And with 4 to lim i wanna wait until the V/LA’s end before throwing my vote around.

[NorwegianboyEE]

in my defense if im losing to scum!norwe its absolutely because I am easily pocketed by anyone who looks like they give a shit in a game where nobody looks like they give a shit

How much of a shit do people need to give be4 you think they are guving a shit.
Cus looks to me like at least some people have been giving a shit so far.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How likely do you think it is that Norwe is scum? I mean, posts like this feel kind of showy

I mean showy is right, i feel like those kinds of posts are just designed to make it easy to say "well Toog flipped town so maybe Norwe is scum then" if Tracer is maf here.
Meant to kinda hide my feelings there, but yeah that's exactly the kind of vibe those types of posts give me lmao.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I'd like to mention that one thing i'm questioning right now is how Pooky was like "Omg none of you are solving, nobody gives a shit except me" and it made sense at first, but then people here actually started to make some good content. And Pooky STILL kept saying nobody was giving a shit, which just felt so awkward. xD

[NorwegianboyEE]

How about we ask questions that matter.

Who do people think Tracer would have as an viable partner if we were to assume he’s scum? I think that’s a good way to solve.
I’d analyze now but i’m typing this on my phone in 2 AM.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If none fits we can move on to another slot and stop hyperfocusing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Are you suggesting we need an bedcam to see if you are losing sleep this game or not.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I think the worst gave a pretty good rebuttal of this point in 691.

I guess? Pooky is an extremely adaptable scum player though. I don't think he would necessarily push the game forward if he thought it would be to his detriment, and I think it probably was to his detriment overall if he's scum.

I’m still sleepy so i read this as: "Pooky’s an adorable scum plsyer" and i was like, awww. That’s totally true!

[NorwegianboyEE]

Townread more than conf!town? There is just nor wee that’s true.

[NorwegianboyEE]

How am i supposed to scum hint if nobody calls me scum for a scummy reason so i can just zone in on them.
Sigh, guess i gotta think about this game today.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm i want to rebel against the game again cus i feel like this hits town.
But if Tracer is scum i’m gonna feel like a dick for white knighting them two days in a row.
This just sucks.
Plz nobody hammer i need to like… actually hard analyze Pooky but i need dinner first.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Hmm i want to rebel against the game again cus i feel like this hits town.
But if Tracer is scum i’m gonna feel like a dick for white knighting them two days in a row.
This just sucks.
Plz nobody hammer i need to like… actually hard analyze Pooky but i need dinner first.

also I just wanted to say something about this post.

I'm not sure what common parlance is but in my experience "White Knight" refers to a mafia player defending a town player for towncred.

A town player defending a mafia player can be white knighting in my vocabulary.
Even a town player defending another town player can be white knighting. Especially if it's an slot that has done extremely scummy stuff and would prob be better dead.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Semantics!
The best part of mafia.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Can you talk about why you think the player you are voting is mafia?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Cus like, i think i’m starting to understand what some people are getting at.
You have been talking a LOT about yourself, like taking all of your post lately it seems like you are being very self-absorbed rather than focusing on you know. Why it’s a good idea for town to vote the people you allegefly scumread. But that seems to be second priority for you right now.
So could you just expand a bit on why voting Toog is a good idea? I’m assuming they are your main scumread since that’s who you are voting at this point?

[NorwegianboyEE]

And like, i can kinda see where it’s coming from because it’s really easy to just do self-pity and complain at the useless town when being scumread by almost everyone, but when that’s the only thing you do it’s also kinda self-defeating cus you just look like AtE’ing without doing any actual scum hunting either, while decrying others for supposedly not scum hunting. (But if the town players think they are voting scum, then that is kinda what they doing)

[NorwegianboyEE]

UNVOTE: the worst

this was gonna be a vote for norwegian but I misremembered him being in a specific game when he wasn't
had he been in that game I would've found his SR of ircher more sus

I liked this post from Gamma though.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like there’s something weird about Wallflower and Tracer.
What if there’s serious cross-bussing going on there.

[NorwegianboyEE]

If Tracer flipped scum i would guess partner was in a good position rather than just "lol, it was S_S!"

[NorwegianboyEE]

I still feel quite convinced RCE is town.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I feel like what i’m doing with Something_Smart is i keep talking myself into thinking they are scum because i want them to be scum, so i don’t need to re-eval Wall and Tracer.
But S_S hasn’t actully done anything scummy really? They’ve just done relatively nothing.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Like there’s something performative about interactions between Wall and Tracer.
Anyone else sense that?

[NorwegianboyEE]

If S_S was scum and Tracer town why wouldn’t S_S have hammered already. It was an E-1 slot and nobody else had really guven intent on voting Tracer so it’d be an wasted opportunity for scum!them.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I mean it’s been E-1 for forever.

[NorwegianboyEE]

RCE isn’t fighting in defence of Tracer, S_S isn’t doing so.
Neither are they using the opportunity to buss.
I think all signs point to scum being on wagon if Tracer is scum.
And it can neither be Ircher or Toog. Toog because Tracer is voting them but it doesn’t feel partnered or like they are same allignment.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Alternatively if you are town.
Do you think an scum team of literally Toog/Wall is possible or is some scum off-wagon.

[NorwegianboyEE]

I’ve thought this over and although i’m neither confident on Toog or Tracer, i’m leaning voting Toog for the simple fact that i think town!Tracer is more valuable to keep in the game than an eventual town!Toogelo. So if worst case scenario and Toog does flip town i’d take that over flipping town!Tracer.
This also presents an interesting dilemma for players currently not voting. It’ll be 3v3 wagons.
VOTE: Toogeloo

[NorwegianboyEE]

And by "players not voting" i mean only Something_Smart apparently.

[NorwegianboyEE]

This might be rude but even though Mega did flip town, i don’t feel like it was a big loss town agency wise.

[NorwegianboyEE]

Oh no.

"Oh no… i have to make

decisions!

"
Is how i’m picturing u atm.