Mini Normal 2277 - Frog Images (Game Over)

[Seanzie]

well i am in fact. but i think there's no plans that need to be made in that case

I take your comments to suggest that you understand that a town RB with one scum is essentially a cop. In that case, assuming we flip scum!Eiralox today, is there much point to strategizing? Like I'm not saying it is bad, per-say, but how do you see nightfall going?

[KittyTacky]

Crescent was killed to frame me IMHO.

Why specifically Crescent? There were many others scumreading you.

Well they could have killed another of the S/S accusers and it would have still been a frame so I don't see your point.

[KittyTacky]

I'm a PR and that's why I played shiftily.

what did you do to play shiftily?

Yeah actually, KT saying that he played shiftily also seems fake. Why does KT make super ‘hammy’ posts that are sure to draw attention to himself if he’s truly not trying to draw attention to himself.

Because it's involuntary.

[redcardinal]

Crescent was killed to frame me IMHO.

Why specifically Crescent? There were many others scumreading you.

Well they could have killed another of the S/S accusers and it would have still been a frame so I don't see your point.

that's a lot of potential ways to frame you that would easily be coincidental if you were town. don't you think someone's first response to a night kill being a thought about their own image is scummy?

[Eiralox]

Thinking about the Crescent kill more I think it implicates Eiralox somewhat
Seanzie brought up the fearkill idea and I wrote it off but Eiralox would maybe have reason to do so
It depends on how much of a force Crescent was in mini 2273

i was scumreading cres slightly. in mini 2273 Cres was my only townread near the end(and thats all imma say, i dont meta)

Thinking about the Crescent kill more I think it implicates Eiralox somewhat
Seanzie brought up the fearkill idea and I wrote it off but Eiralox would maybe have reason to do so
It depends on how much of a force Crescent was in mini 2273

On skimming Crescent's ISO in mini 2273 Eiralox fearkilling her feels like a very probable occurence
I'd vote eiralox but I believe he's at E-2 with threat of a hammer from someone else so instead I'll

intent to E-1 Eiralox

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You don't know me at all.

[KittyTacky]

Crescent was killed to frame me IMHO.

Why specifically Crescent? There were many others scumreading you.

Well they could have killed another of the S/S accusers and it would have still been a frame so I don't see your point.

that's a lot of potential ways to frame you that would easily be coincidental if you were town. don't you think someone's first response to a night kill being a thought about their own image is scummy?

No because I care a lot about my self-image as town.

[KittyTacky]

eiralox and gamma are scummy as fuck right now, aside from that I want to know what's going on with KT today bc crescent and I both saw scum/scum kt/galron, and crescent's fuckin dead so

Also that was in response to this which I felt was an accusation.

[Eiralox]

I'm pretty saddened and actually discouraged by the last few pages. I see people who I lean town on being pretty happy to kill me. No other scumhunting is being done. The game has frozen cos "Eira Scum". There are so many other avenues of investigation rn, and no one is doing jack shit imo. Im tempted to just walk away from this shit, close this fucking forum and let ya'll launch me and let town reap the bitter rewards. cos im disappointed in the lack of drive in this game at this point. either scum is leading ppl around by the nose about me or theyre just sitting back and having a good luagh. im being honest here, like last night i also just wanted to walk away.

And things just keep getting more absurd. I don't knwo what the fuck ya'll are thinking. Only Schadd_ has solid reasons on me, their D1 analysis of where i was at is spot on. just sad that they cant step out of their tunnel.

but im sorta decent i guess. i wont replace out and ill give more solid thoughts on the game, cos im making the time for it today. ill stick with it and play to my win co. if ya'll still decide to mob me then, well you're fucking loss. i wont shed a fucking tear but i will be hollowed of heart.


i'll post my shit don't kick me while im tryin. Town's become lazy after D1 galron flip and D2 Kitty claim imo, some elements at least. i'm not liking this, i think ive made it pretty clear, but ill try not to let my emotions boil over and show yall how ultra wrong your tunnel is rn, and where i think scum's at.

cos honestly one of the reasons im so slow with my reads here is i see scum in a lot of places. ya'll being very hard for me to townlean or read tbh, only Schadd_ is giving off the right vibes. T3 has suddenly become a scum option for me again. So i only got one player i feel is town rn, if that ain't good enough well fuck me. i'm not here to make friends. i'll find the scum for ya'll. cos rn it seems that none of ya'lkl seems so inclined.

[Eiralox]

Edit; Only Schadd_ has solid reasons on me, their D2 analysis of where i was at D1is spot on. just sad that they cant step out of their tunnel.

[redcardinal]

just want to point out about the tunneling accusation that every single person voting eira right now + seanzie and gamma have all had at least one other scumread that they've asked questions about or pushed some other way in day 2 alone. eiralox, you of all people in this thread are really going to accuse everyone of being unmotivated? you who, at every single step of the way on every other push, has gone nahh this is too fast or nahh this is weak just shading every step of the way? oh so you see a bunch of avenues to pursue huh? pursue them!! do some scumhunting for once in the game, if you have so many scumreads why not explain a single scumread you have beyond omgus or idk sounds weak

[T3]

also eiralox and kt are low risk targets because they seem like the most obvious scum lol, should I be putting my vote on higher risk targets?

no

also eiralox and kt are low risk targets because they seem like the most obvious scum lol, should I be putting my vote on higher risk targets?

I think you should be probing other people rather than just sussing easy options.

yes.


i;m off 2 town today, l dont hav tim for big posts rn. anothr vote without a case fml. rn imma say i feel town on schadd and t3..... red....... nah. they felt town but theres a weasely opportunism here i dont like.

and dont think i missed redcardinal scumreading haschl after i started to shift to Kiri. something's up here.

First I’m lean town, then Seanzie might have a point about me, then I’m lean town again, then I’m scum. Nah.

[T3]

have a good one eira. you and haschel maybe for last two scum

that being said wher tf is haschel lol? eh i gotta life se yall.

Idk if scum!Eira draws attention to scum!Haschel like this, though.

[T3]

There are only two worthy votes on me: T3 and Schadd_ . Both have valid reasons and I townread them for it.

Spoiler:

[redcardinal]

have a good one eira. you and haschel maybe for last two scum

that being said wher tf is haschel lol? eh i gotta life se yall.

Idk if scum!Eira draws attention to scum!Haschel like this, though.

yeah that's part of what drew me off the idea while I was isoing eira

[T3]

First four pages and my main takeaway is that Seanzie is obvtown

Why? This is very rarely a reaction someone who doesn't know me has.

I don't get the sense that you are trying to achieve anything that scum wants to achieve in your early posting. Specifically I get no indication that you earnestly want to convince me you're town, and I believe your actions are attempts at finding scum.

Do you think that Seanzie is town because of the ‘hmm’ post and explanation, or is it a gut reaction/something different?

[Ausuka]

Prodding Enchant.

[Enchant]

I FORGOT I EXIST HERE.

[Enchant]

VOTE: redcardinal

Imo that's cool vote

[Gamma Emerald]

I think I feel good townbinning Enchant here.

[Enchant]

For what, i did nothing

[Gamma Emerald]

Tone!
You feel a bit like you did in Terminator.

[Enchant]

But in Terminator i also did nothing...

Wait hmm...
Fair

[Eiralox]

also I want literally everyone's take on galron before we even get within one vote of it happening

enchant ; )

ill be active in like 1-3 hrs this time we rollin'

[schadd_]

I kinda wanna vote red, his sus pool feels wack

what do you disagree with?

put off a little bit by this, but mildly reaffirming my tr here because of the extra work she did about eiralox

Spoiler: iso reading

Do you take issue with my reasons to TR Mala?

you know what I just isod galron bc I remembered the mala interaction differently and I changed my mind, you're right galron's interaction with mala was pretty confirming

also galron's shading of kt makes me want to vote eiralox today instead

i think i kind of like a quick iso read with concise takeaways in this case as a town action

[more analysis]

i also kind of like the impulse here even though its like the opposite of the thing i said is towny like 10 seconds ago. i could see it as being an attempt to justify being on a wagon that flips town if thats what happens but it seems like too much effort/visibility if you're like hopping on your partner's wagon. i guess either way i kind of understand the urge to justify voting eiralox as town here.

as an aside you can use the post tag:

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which turns into a link to the post: 1008. maybe you knew that and just didnt feel like using it which is fine

what ill do is, rn i got some coffee, so expect some D1 analysis from me in 1-4 hours. ill the take the time. seriously tho ya'll being very impatient for how long theres left, i think getting a scum flip on day1 has made some folk see blood, kinda like schadd_'s tunnel vision since page 1 : p

im honestly done trying to defend myself. im stepping back from it. ill analyze and say where i find scum'll likely be, but the investment im putting in here in trying to grasp others' circular logic is just too taxing to me atm. esp. seanzie and their badger fetish, i told em i can turn into a badger. doesnt mean imma be like that every day. anyway. imma smoke, play a game, then start some shit up in here.

if youre town youve done something pretty difficult and frustrating which is stabilize into a kind of level headed read of the game and not really sr people on the wagon. but this is something townies don't often do i think. which again sucks a lot in that case. i guess theres this thing where i would expect mafia to have interest in behaving differently to duck the wagon, and i also think that the way you were acting before was wolfy, so idk what would happen that makes me stop thinking that other than some brilliant circumstance. anyway ideally you are just a wolf and there doesnt have to be any heartbreak

kt's claim reads fake to me my vote stays where it is

I have never seen a Town Roleblocker, and I have seen many Mafia Roleblockers.

you can look at the mini normal archives and check whether these things are accurate. it seems like straight up town roleblocker is a little less common than straight up mafia roleblocker, which also seems to be true with modified roles. anyway i'm inclined to simply believe kittytacky and then failing that simple belief, recognize that its generally super pro town to leave him alive

well i am in fact. but i think there's no plans that need to be made in that case

I take your comments to suggest that you understand that a town RB with one scum is essentially a cop. In that case, assuming we flip scum!Eiralox today, is there much point to strategizing? Like I'm not saying it is bad, per-say, but how do you see nightfall going?

so if kittytacky is a town roleblocker he's not a cop when he shows up dead in the morning unless we know who he targeted

I think I feel good townbinning Enchant here.

i don't. he doesn't really sound compellingly different than any game i've seen him in i think & he has been mafia in plenty

[Gamma Emerald]

I actually have a half-decent Enchant read rate so I’m willing to pull BoP on that one