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[MegAzumarill]

hello

[MegAzumarill]

hello

[MegAzumarill]

There's like, some tangible benefit to forcing people to go to particular places then looking at swaps but I don't think I care for the most part.

I might do palace and invoke my inner jester
But not right now

Someone townblock with me or something so we can win Palace.

[MegAzumarill]

For those casting suspicion, I need to hear why what

Drew

did was scummy as opposed to a playstyle difference.

What Drew did was neutral at best, scum siding at worst. Either way it was a bad idea and makes me scum Drew.
It stops us from being able to properly plan where we want to throw people on the town-scum scale in locations.
My list from earlier doesn't work if we think Drew is sucmmy as they've already chosen a spot so we have so suboptimally (imo) place people.
It's also a huge benefit for a sucm to choose early. I find town hunting easier than scum hunting so I'd want to assign who I think is town first before sorting the remaining players. It's just really bad.

I'm towning Nona and RR and scumming Drew atm

This feels like trying to cash in a lot of shade at Drew.

[MegAzumarill]

I mean it doesn't lock us from any possible arrangement of players no?

[MegAzumarill]

Only to which area which is mostly irrelevant

[MegAzumarill]

I don't see the benefit beyond grouping certain players with each other. 2 mutually townreading townies win at all 3. A mutually townread townie and scum lose at all 3.

We can still group players in any formation

[MegAzumarill]

Putting scum there means they would be free to swap one in and do so anyway

[MegAzumarill]

Feels tangential at best

[MegAzumarill]

Does that take into accoount that tommorow the only reads that would matter is the ones within the groups themselves?

You aren't going to get an objective list. If you could mafia in general would be so much easier ;P

Metoculously organizing assignments isn't particularly effective in this setup either

[MegAzumarill]

If you would make a situation where scum don't have agency, what are you reading them from?

[MegAzumarill]

Yes

[MegAzumarill]

I think giving up an unenforceable win con to improve readability is valuable.

[MegAzumarill]

What are you catching?

[MegAzumarill]

On what? Them not making any decicions?

[MegAzumarill]

Our information is better tomorrow the less we force consensus and unless town as a whole both wants to strictly enforce it and is 3/3 correct then it is the wrong move.

[MegAzumarill]

Interested in why Rat?

[MegAzumarill]

Fair enough

[MegAzumarill]

I'm a PR here too

Wouldn't think being a PR would have much to do with how I handled that game

[MegAzumarill]

Taly is probably town.

Don't really have a preferance for where I go but if I had to pick an order itd probably be (Vote for town one, dungeon, other one)

[MegAzumarill]

Id feel better with Taly than Bella in palace probably

[MegAzumarill]

I don't feel very strongly about 145. It's 2/3 accurate at best (Elements + Drew).

Nona in genral is fine but doesn't feel overwhelmingly AI yet but feels like a slot that will sort itself out by eod if town.

[MegAzumarill]

Herta drew does make some sense though on iso. Particularly herta very early comments feel possibly partnered

[MegAzumarill]

Maybe bella makes the most sense as a third? The read on herta could be distancing to avoid going with him. Feels too early for a final deciscion atp, but...

I wouldn't be opposed with
(Drew/Herta/Bella)
(Taly/Meg/RR)
(Farren/Elements/Nona)

Discuss

[MegAzumarill]

Tangentially my scumread on you ties itself to the idea that drew is scum, which I don't really have a good argument for.

However even if drew is town and thus you are for no argument, it still pairs t/t which is good

[MegAzumarill]

Would farren/Elements norna work as a scumteam? Haven't checked the dynamics yet. Odds of hitting a triple increase fairly dramatically if we have a 3 town area, which i do believe me/taly/rat to be.

[MegAzumarill]

Well that's... less than ideal.
I wouldn't be too opposed to me and taly going there as is should be still winning, though I do hope nona realizes any chance she had of being voted there has gone down the drain.

If i had had to choose between rat or taly it would have been taly over rat anyway which I kept quiet for obvious reasons for the swap.

The other option is the same pairing as before but with court/palace swapped but im not nearly confident enough on that to really want to switch.

[MegAzumarill]

I wouldn't go far as to say that Nona can't be town here, and I don't think the join is completely unreasonable, but palace at least we can resolve as a win regardless of any swaps here or nona's alignment if taly/me join so I kind of just want to do that.

[MegAzumarill]

Thinking about it I'd prefer it over the alternative so I'll

Intent to palace

[MegAzumarill]

I'm good with joining

Palace

, but I don't townread

Nona

, and if she is town and actually believes her townreads with us, that shouldn't stop her from seeking consensus with us.

Option A: No swaps. Nona is scum we vote either me or you
Option B: Nona is swapped. We vote out either me or you
Option C: I am swapped. Nona if town will vote you and if she doesn't, you can vote the person swapped in
Option D You are swapped, Nona votes me if town and if not I vote the person swapped in.

So we win as long as we are both town.

[MegAzumarill]

I am here

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Palace

[MegAzumarill]

After today scum will swap 2 players such that 1 scum is within every group of 3.

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: RadicalRat

Makes that easy ig

[MegAzumarill]

So it was farren/rat elements then probably
Neat

[MegAzumarill]

@Bella realistically me and rat have the exact same goals today so our play isn't going to be AI except for the other groups if possible.
Read yesterday if you want to judge ig or see how we do that but I'm not about to sit here and explain why someone now mod confirmed to me as scum is scum.
Maybe later but for now we can probably resolve outside of here.

[MegAzumarill]

Wait, what does the swapping mean?

It means i'm with you and rat now and elements is with taly/nona.

[MegAzumarill]

Good timing

[MegAzumarill]

Alternatively you qh rat and we all have a good hearty laugh that a scum didnt get to talk today

note: my lawyers says i have to quote that this is only half serious

[MegAzumarill]

Nona you should vote Taly if you do think that their town.
Not only does it win their it also confirms you as town as scum cannot vote for another player where you are.

[MegAzumarill]

I feel like as long as we resolve two of the groups the last should be obvious so we need to hit one in the first 2. (That's because if 2 of elements/radicalrat/farren flip scum the other is basically confirmed guilty because of how farren basically forced that triple pairing to not occur IIRC)

I strongly suspect that's the scumteam as well so thats kind of nice

[MegAzumarill]

Nona you should vote Taly if you do think that their town.
Not only does it win their it also confirms you as town as scum cannot vote for another player where you are.

It needs to votes in any case right? What happens if Elements self-votes?

And I’m really really confused whether or not to trust you or Rat because obviously one of you has to be lying.

I’m thinking Herta could be town, he sounds really confused.

If you vote Taly and Taly is town that is an unequivocally good thing regardless of what elements does.

[MegAzumarill]

Known Info.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

Radical Rat and I are opposite alignments.

One of Farren, drew, and Herta is scum.

Bella is town.

[MegAzumarill]

Why does this sound like Dark Angel Meg.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you write it in sentences?

Because this is Elo Meg that knows exactly how they want the day to go down. Town or scum here I work very similarly.
I'm absolutely sure on one scum (rat, mechanical), very confident on another (Elements), and the third is implicated by the other two (Farren).

I'm in persuasion mode one could say.

[MegAzumarill]

I might be missing something, but how are you proven town?

Are you pretending to be dense or something? Meg was switched and I’m town and it likely mean Taly’s probably town as well. Scum needs to have one member in all three locations. So the fact that a switch happened means we we’re probably all town unless I’m completely misunderstanding the setup.

You know it is possible to respond to questions without relying on insults, just a little life tip.

But I do see what you mean after I went back and looked at how there has to be a scum at each location, for some reason I didn't think that had to be the case.

Still doesn't clear you, scumMeg could have been switched with townElements because you were scum as well with Meg.

And Meg was more town read than you, which makes it a tougher choice for Bella.

Again, please someone tell me if I am mis reading or misinterpreting things.

You are. If I’m scum, why is there even a switch? I know I’m not obviously. I’m just wondering if Rat’s on the level, Elements would have definitely been toast at court, unlike Meg. If I’m right on dungeon, perhaps scum was okay with losing Farren?

The idea they are saying is that if you were mafia, and I was mafia, one of us HAS to switch. There can only be 1 scum in each area.
So If I am mafia:
Since I am more townread than you (their words), the area I am in I'm more likely to win. So they switched me to Court in order to make Bella think I'm town and so mafia would win by voting radical rat off.

Which we both know isn't the situation but outside of us and mafia noone else can know that for sure, so neither of us are cleared.

[MegAzumarill]

Okay but I still don't understand what you wrote. I'm assuming there should be some if thens in there, but I'm not sure where.

Not really conclusive but
There's one scum in
(Radical Rat, MegAzumarill)
(Herta, Farren, Doctor Drew)
(Taly, Elements, Nona)

And any combination between them is possible.

[MegAzumarill]

Why does this sound like Dark Angel Meg.

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

I'm not sure what this means. Can you write it in sentences?

Rat, why does scum!Meg switch into Court if Elements is town? That part of your analysis makes absolutely no sense to me.

What it looks like to me is that Elements probably needed to be switched because they would have gotten hammered in the court.

I don’t think Elements survives over Rat and of course Bella but Rat, why would Bella have been confirmed over you? Wouldn’t it be so much easier for scum!Meg to go 1v1 with Bella over you?

If Elements is town, and I am scum, I would be forced to switch into the court as there would be three town-aligned players there. The swap must leave exactly 1 mafioso in each group.

[MegAzumarill]

Okay but I still don't understand what you wrote. I'm assuming there should be some if thens in there, but I'm not sure where.

Not really conclusive but
There's one scum in
(Radical Rat, MegAzumarill)
(Herta, Farren, Doctor Drew)
(Taly, Elements, Nona)

And any combination between them is possible.

I understand the conclusion. That's the setup.

I don't understand this:

Meg!Town, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, one of the others in palace scum - Elements is town.
Meg!Scum, taly and nona are town. Elements is scum.
Meg!Town, taly and nona are town (my guess) - Elements is scum.

It's saying the possibilities of TvT swaps, TvS Swaps, and SVS swaps based on taly's and nona's alignments which didn't conclude anything. Not really relevant on reflection.

[MegAzumarill]

During Night 1, the Insurrectionists must switch the locations of 2 CADETS such that each location contains exactly one Insurrectionist as well as choosing one cadet at the Court to be confirmed as a Devotee.
The final location assignments will be made public.

So Rat explain to me how this makes Meg scum?

Also Rat, why do you think Bella was confirmed over you? You were the consensus townread not Bella?

Meg was also a consensus townread, why Bella over them?

It's because mafia thinks they have better odds convincing bella to townread you. But you knew that already.

[MegAzumarill]

I might be missing something, but how are you proven town?

Are you pretending to be dense or something? Meg was switched and I’m town and it likely mean Taly’s probably town as well. Scum needs to have one member in all three locations. So the fact that a switch happened means we we’re probably all town unless I’m completely misunderstanding the setup.

You know it is possible to respond to questions without relying on insults, just a little life tip.

But I do see what you mean after I went back and looked at how there has to be a scum at each location, for some reason I didn't think that had to be the case.

Still doesn't clear you, scumMeg could have been switched with townElements because you were scum as well with Meg.

And Meg was more town read than you, which makes it a tougher choice for Bella.

Again, please someone tell me if I am mis reading or misinterpreting things.

You are. If I’m scum, why is there even a switch? I know I’m not obviously. I’m just wondering if Rat’s on the level, Elements would have definitely been toast at court, unlike Meg. If I’m right on dungeon, perhaps scum was okay with losing Farren?

Because you could have been together with scumMeg, and since there has to be a scum at every location it would mean moving scumMeg or scumNona with either Rat or elements. I been thinking about this from a few angles and I believe scum are conceding the palace since Taly is most people's main town read(and if they are scum, then tip of the hat and very well played). And putting Meg in the Court gives them a fighting chance in a 1v1 with Rats, more so then if they switched you to the Court Nona.

The real decision that they don't have as much control over is here in the dungeon, I believe Herta and I both believe it to be Farren. I just think that scum hope that Herta is not reading me as obvTown(which would make sense why Nona was going out of their way yesterDay trying to make me look scummy).

I really think this is what happened.

And as stated before, if you so sure of Taly being town, why are you not voting Taly? Seems like the onvious vote imo.

Prte Edit: And some of Meg's post here makes me more confident they are scum, they seem to really know the mechanics really are trying to be obvTown helper(which comes off a bit contrived given my current theory).

Basically, I could see Meg as the evil smart mastermind lol.

Thanks

Way off base but thanks

[MegAzumarill]

Meg, which location would you wanted settled first?

Palace

[MegAzumarill]

Mainly because I think a scumflip of elements improves my towncred.

[MegAzumarill]

And I'm reasonably confident itll be a town win there with current information

[MegAzumarill]

Mainly because I think a scumflip of elements improves my towncred.

I think Elements is probably the scum in the Palace but we can’t flip them today, can we?

I believe they flip when palace resolves.

[MegAzumarill]

My thing with

Meg

is that he could be okay with a Palace loss.

But by play, I have more concerns with

Rat

.

Palace T > Court M is a ?75?% mafia win assuming a partner isn't implicated.

So that's possible but its also why I really am trying to just win off court/palace so we aren't put into those odds.

[MegAzumarill]

Nah, I'm not sold on

Farren

-town or

Drew

-scum. I was just thinking about how

Farren's

only notable read was townreading me D1.

I do think

Herta

is most likely town there as of this moment.

My only true argument for you scum,

Nona

, is that you and

Rat

are partnered and that's why you were okay with going into the Palace instead of

Rat

, and scumreading him as well.

But I don't know if there's a clear relationship between your alignment and

Meg's

, I see an argument either way.

If I'm mafia nona is town fypov we swap you with someone and mafia wins palace.

[MegAzumarill]

Important note: Assuming Elements is scum the swap makes sense if and only if I am town.

I can explain shortly.

[MegAzumarill]

Assume Elements and I are scum:

Pre- Flip Locations
Court

Bella

,

Radicat Rat

,

Elements

Palace

MegAzumarill

,

Taly

,

Nona

Dungeon

Drew

,

Herta

,

Farren

[1 of which is scum, arbitrarily picking farren here but argument works no matter who pick]

Nona explicitly states and can be inferred to be telling the truth that she will vote for taly or me if given the chance.

The other two are mostly up in the air about who will be voted. (How would rat fare between elements and bella, how would herta stand between drew and farren, not explicitly clear.)

What is the best thing for scum to do in this situation?

The answer: Swap Taly with Herta or Doctor Drew.

Nona would vote for me or be hard pressed to be convinced otherwise, and mafia would likely win palace.

Taly in dungeon lowers the odds of mafia winning due to being townread, but could go either way with how she votes. No clear winner. This is true no matter who is scum in dungeon.

Likewise in court, a cleared Radical Rat would also be in a dilemma (where I would even say elements is more likely to get bella voted than the alternative). this is trending mafia win but up in the air.

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However, that's not what happened. Instead of a foregone conclusion of a mafia win in palace, now it is of a town win (remember in this hypothetical elements is scum)

The other two areas are still up in the air. At best you can argue it's wifom to win court but.... thats still not a good answer. Trading a mafia win for a mafia win through wifom BY GIVING a town win makes 0 logical sense for scum to do. Even if this argument was taken as a guarentee of winning court because I could mention it, which it almost certainly wont, it still hurt mafia's win chances overall by a substantial margin.

[MegAzumarill]

However the swap makes much more sense assuming Radical Rat is partnered with elements, where there was no swap that would win palace for scum, and dungeon would not be physically able to be swapped to.

[MegAzumarill]

You can disregard the argument if elements does not flip scum, but this is why I'm vouching for palace to resolve first

[MegAzumarill]

Even if this particular swap made me mod-confirmed town it would be actively harmful to me as scum to do.

[MegAzumarill]

Nona would vote for me or be hard pressed to be convinced otherwise, and mafia would likely win palace.

Do you mean Nona would vote for Herta/Drew?

Palace you vote for town, if I was scum nona would vote for me and I would self-vote, winning palace for mafia.

[MegAzumarill]

Also the IC in that scenario may be different right.

ye

[MegAzumarill]

You're right, but well. Scum did make that call regardless. So I guess you didn't see that until now, and are trying to turn your mistake into a defense?

Doesn't make sense for you to try this argument unless you already know Elements is flipping red though, so Palace is basically won regardless at least.

Do you have any justification why I would even consider this option? Like what do you think I was trying to do yesterday as scum. Are you trying to suggest I was getting in a group that both townread me to willingly switch myself out of?

Like have some explanation to my thinking about the swap if you want to actually scumcase me.

[MegAzumarill]

Possibly or even probably this swap

[MegAzumarill]

Since the options are Nona/Me -- Elements, Bella, RadRat.

Probably Nona- Bella or Elements actually because it leaves palace open but it's far from damning.

[MegAzumarill]

I’ve done a lot of thinking about this game and dislike that Meg is pushing for Palace to be resolved first

. It seems pretty obvious to me that Elements is probably going to flip scum and Meg wants towncred for it.

I think RR didn’t seem to have any idea what Elements is because they first didn’t know, then they wanted me to be voted.

My theory is that Meg switched because she was hoping to persuade Bella to vote Rat.

Gth it’s most likely Elements/Farren/Meg for the team. Elements seems almost certain unless I’m wrong on Taly but don’t think I am.

I think Palace is probably a slam dunk anyway, so long as both Taly and me agree to vote for either of us and not Elements, so I want to be weighing in on both the dungeon and court votes. Feel pretty confident Herta’s town in dungeon.

Also Rat seems to be really shocked by the switch and I’m not really getting that from Meg.

Why is the bolded alignment indicative. Do you think I would not try to gain town cred as town? Seems silly

The italicized would be actively harmful to my alignment to do even if it had a 100% success rate if I was scum.

Is there a particular reason to be surprised? We all thought palace was town/town/town so a swap there had to be done and we knew the swap was coming for 2 days during the night. it's not like it's random nor unexpected so what do you expect me to be surprised by? Like I could feign surprise like rat sure but how is that constructive?

[MegAzumarill]

Wouldn't you want bella to have more information then? That would make sense as resolving last

[MegAzumarill]

It should go by orders of confidence.

The group we are most confident in a correct resolution resolves first, the remaining players gain more mod-confirmed info (alignments of resolved players) and then the next most confident resolves.

[MegAzumarill]

The court just seems really wifom-y: I'd confirmed I was tr-ing rat, so confirming me Ans moving in meg just seems....not great for scum? If meg was town, I'd think they'd be confirmed? I did very badly day one, I could see meg voting me over rat?

What do you think about my case that me and elements cannot be s/s?

[MegAzumarill]

Palace -> Court -> Dungeon.

Maybe dungeon first if I'm way off base and elements flips town.

[MegAzumarill]

Because I'd need to reconsider a lot.

[MegAzumarill]

Palace should always resolve before court because it solves court on a possible scumflip.

[MegAzumarill]

Palace -> Court -> Dungeon.

Maybe dungeon first if I'm way off base and elements flips town.

I’m town so unless you’re having doubts on Taly and I don’t understand why you would, I very much don’t see that happening.

Elements claims to scumread me, which makes 0 sense but won’t vote Taly and they know we need consensus so I find it extremely difficult to believe they could still be town here.

Yeah we agree on that.
That's why I think it should flip first, why do you think that should make it so it flips last? What's the benefit?

[MegAzumarill]

Palace -> Court -> Dungeon.

Maybe dungeon first if I'm way off base and elements flips town.

I’m town so unless you’re having doubts on Taly and I don’t understand why you would, I very much don’t see that happening.

Elements claims to scumread me, which makes 0 sense but won’t vote Taly and they know we need consensus so I find it extremely difficult to believe they could still be town here.

Because you were townreading me, if elements and I were scum I would not have left palace and instead swapped taly out.

[MegAzumarill]

Because I'd need to reconsider a lot.

What would you need to reconsider? In our case nothing we do should change our opinion of the other?

I mean I'd need a different towncase for myself/scumcase for you for one.

[MegAzumarill]

Palace -> Court -> Dungeon.

Maybe dungeon first if I'm way off base and elements flips town.

I’m town so unless you’re having doubts on Taly and I don’t understand why you would, I very much don’t see that happening.

Elements claims to scumread me, which makes 0 sense but won’t vote Taly and they know we need consensus so I find it extremely difficult to believe they could still be town here.

Because you were townreading me,

if elements and I were scum I would not have left palace and instead swapped taly out

.

Well first off, we don’t actually know that’s true. You could just be saying that? With whom?

Switch Taly with whom?

Are you saying that scum!you would switch scum!Elements with town!Taly?

Which would be impossible because you can’t have more than one scum in one place

.

I already said I would have switched taly with a town in dungeon in that scenario.
Sigh

[MegAzumarill]

In other news herta is now an IC.

[MegAzumarill]

pagetop before i slep

[MegAzumarill]

Palace -> Court -> Dungeon.

Maybe dungeon first if I'm way off base and elements flips town.

I’m town so unless you’re having doubts on Taly and I don’t understand why you would, I very much don’t see that happening.

Elements claims to scumread me, which makes 0 sense but won’t vote Taly and they know we need consensus so I find it extremely difficult to believe they could still be town here.

Because you were townreading me,

if elements and I were scum I would not have left palace and instead swapped taly out

.

Well first off, we don’t actually know that’s true. You could just be saying that? With whom?

Switch Taly with whom?

Are you saying that scum!you would switch scum!Elements with town!Taly?

Which would be impossible because you can’t have more than one scum in one place

.

I already said I would have switched taly with a town in dungeon in that scenario.
Sigh

Assume Elements and I are scum:

Pre- Flip Locations
Court

Bella

,

Radicat Rat

,

Elements

Palace

MegAzumarill

,

Taly

,

Nona

Dungeon

Drew

,

Herta

,

Farren

[1 of which is scum, arbitrarily picking farren here but argument works no matter who pick]

Nona explicitly states and can be inferred to be telling the truth that she will vote for taly or me if given the chance.

The other two are mostly up in the air about who will be voted. (How would rat fare between elements and bella, how would herta stand between drew and farren, not explicitly clear.)

What is the best thing for scum to do in this situation?

The answer: Swap Taly with Herta or Doctor Drew.

Nona would vote for me or be hard pressed to be convinced otherwise, and mafia would likely win palace.

Taly in dungeon lowers the odds of mafia winning due to being townread, but could go either way with how she votes. No clear winner. This is true no matter who is scum in dungeon.

Likewise in court, a cleared Radical Rat would also be in a dilemma (where I would even say elements is more likely to get bella voted than the alternative). this is trending mafia win but up in the air.

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However, that's not what happened. Instead of a foregone conclusion of a mafia win in palace, now it is of a town win (remember in this hypothetical elements is scum)

The other two areas are still up in the air. At best you can argue it's wifom to win court but.... thats still not a good answer. Trading a mafia win for a mafia win through wifom BY GIVING a town win makes 0 logical sense for scum to do. Even if this argument was taken as a guarentee of winning court because I could mention it, which it almost certainly wont, it still hurt mafia's win chances overall by a substantial margin.

Here's the relevant case

[MegAzumarill]

See yall on the other side I guess.

Wp taly if scum

[MegAzumarill]

In other news herta is now an IC.

How was i IC before this post?

Because I thought you posted after the vote

Ok it was late don't judge me

Either way now we all know you're a mean green scumhunting machine

[MegAzumarill]

In other news herta is now an IC.

How was i IC before this post?

Because I thought you posted after the vote

Ok it was late don't judge me

Either way now we all know you're a mean green scumhunting machine

Meg, Rat, who’s scum in the dungeon and why?

Farren, because they went their when they were supposed to be paired with my biggest 2 scum reads instead.

[MegAzumarill]

In other news herta is now an IC.

?

If they were scum they can qh farren

[MegAzumarill]

In other news herta is now an IC.

How was i IC before this post?

Because I thought you posted after the vote

Ok it was late don't judge me

Either way now we all know you're a mean green scumhunting machine

Meg, Rat, who’s scum in the dungeon and why?

Farren, because they went their when they were supposed to be paired with my biggest 2 scum reads instead.

But you weren’t scumreading me?

Rat/ele/farren

[MegAzumarill]

If the team is me/Elements/Farren, why do I join Court when I know Elements and Farren are in line to join next? Why wouldn't I have pushed harder to get in the Palace? Or just offered to go Dungeon instead?

You did suggest that me/you taly all go to court after nona joined palace, and before then you weren't slated to go with them.

Makes sense to put the least townread member to be the one to oppose town consensus.

[MegAzumarill]

Well we'll see after the flips anyway

[MegAzumarill]

I was probably wrong about Drew scum based on Meg's IC comment on Herta.

It could still feasibly be Farren and Meg's bussing, but bussing is probably a bad plan here? Especially if Taly is legitimately Town here, Meg would know Palace was already lost, so bussing another area would need to be some galaxy brain WIFOM shit.

I'm not trying to flip Drew anymore. I already said that I was wrong, see above.
I townread Farren precisely because bussing doesn't make sense.
Herta makes the most sense to be aligned with Meg, that's who I want to see voted in Dungeon

If I were scum I'd just hammer at this point.

No see you're being sneaky and not winning to wifom

[MegAzumarill]

I kind of feel bad for scum

[MegAzumarill]

I literally said, multiple times, Meg bussing Farren doesn't make sense.

If you want to scumread me fine, but please do at least read what I'm saying

They aren't saying I'm scum with farren though?

[MegAzumarill]

Cool

[MegAzumarill]

VOTE: Radical Rat
I do it again

[MegAzumarill]

Well all the other talkative people have flipped so I need a new townie to talk to.

[MegAzumarill]

Or even better multiple

[MegAzumarill]

It really isn't

[MegAzumarill]

I mean I would also like to suggest for Bella to read the combined ISO of me/you/elements.

Would you agree that's a good idea? Why or why not?

[MegAzumarill]

If it helps her make a decision, absolutely.

And of course I'll still be answering questions if there are any.

But in terms of making new arguments or anything... I think I've covered everything there is to cover. Just comes down to who Bella trusts more for us.

And really it's the same thing for Dungeon. Since you're scum, Herta's the only possible answer, but for the people who don't know that, it again just comes down to trusting one of us over the other.

So your working theory is scum!herta STILL isn't taking a free mislim?

[MegAzumarill]

And currently your biggest opposition to my case on not being aligned with elements currently is I didn't realize swapping myself out of 2 people that townread me

and have now flipped town

was a bad idea?

Like i get you have to make these arguments to keep playing but at least give something that feels in the least bit feasible

[MegAzumarill]

Well all the other talkative people have flipped so I need a new townie to talk to.

Hi.

And no chancee scumHerta wouldn't have quick hammered, or at least hammered by now.

I almost kind of just want Herta to hammer Farren to save us from the inevitable back and forth between Meg and Ray lol.

I wouldn't really be opposed

[MegAzumarill]

Bella exist

[MegAzumarill]

Farren

[MegAzumarill]

I was Town for reference