Hollow Knight Mafia [game over]

[petapan]

that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

opportunistic, very artificial progression toward the wagon

How is it opportunistic? I don't believe it is much of a progression at all, as I haven't really focused much on cakez before this.

You think I shouldn't be giving opinions on a fastly growing wagon?

you immediately writing off he first vote asri made as a bus is pretty weak shit yeah

[petapan]

asri on balar: uhhhm ahhh hemmm hes being bad to me but idk if i wanna voooote

asri on cakez: yeah sure great case let's go

[Black]

And the bigger issue...Asri refuses to elaborate...

[SirCakez]

Ah, this one sees Cat Scratch of the Fever has indeed expanded upon SirCakez. This one would really like Sir of the Cakez to address the others voting him, not this one though, as this one hates to be hasty and wrong. Therefore this one is very willing to go back to voting no one, and hopes Sir can show this one that such is the right thing to do.

well everyone appears to just be sheeping Ari so not even sure what there is to address

I'd really like him to explain why he's townreading Cakez though.

I've had thoughts on this since last night but I went to sleep instead of responding.

Basically, I think my Cakez townread was poor. Early in Cakez's posting I thought his forwardness and willingness to bring a lot of opinions to the table was towny. I think this was biased somewhat by comparing him to Lycanfire in my head and thinking, 'well Cakez is being pretty free with his reads and Lycan isn't doing anything so if there's a scum between them it's more likely to be Lycan.' Which isn't a well-thought-out point.
In my last reads list I brought Cakez down a bit because I kinda realised this but still wanted to give credit to my initial gut ping.

I think ultimately I townread what you are scumreading. I ISO'd Cakez late last night and felt pretty similarly to you, that what he was doing could pretty easily be scum projecting false confidence. I don't feel strongly about it but with you saying it's his scum meta I kinda want to sheep you on it.

i can buy this thought process but then we have these

VOTE: cakez

fuck the busy work I'll just sheep and see where it goes

VOTE: cakez

This one didn't like the way Sir of the Cakez spoke after Klick and Lycan admitted to being in contact with them. Consider this one willing to vote Sir of the Cakez, but as thi one doesn't know the exact vote tally right now and is busy, this one is merely stating intent.

not much to address here!

[SirCakez]

My own take on the cakez wagon is that I kind of like what ari is saying, and that meta read doesn't seem crazy to me. Cakez is not great at scum from what I've seen (I love you cakez!), though others on this site seem to be able to vibe him much better than me.

If ari is town, the wagon comp isn't terrible either outside asri, which could be bussing if cakez flipped scum.

I do agree with Peta that this post was terrible
like what is Baltar even saying here?

(ily too i know im not great lol but also this was scummy boss)

[SirCakez]

if i vote someone who isn't ari, will I be called scum for "backpedaling my push" and "giving up when I got resistance to it"?

this is the kind of shit I have to think about at all times regardless of my alignment bc someone always tries to fucking lim me

[Aristeia]

why would you even consider moving your vote if you think I'm mafia

[SirCakez]

why would you even consider moving your vote if you think I'm mafia

because i want to engage some other people the shitflinging with you is not going anywhere and me moving my vote doesn't mean I think you're town

[SirCakez]

also the Lycan wagon - I can't even remember a post Lycan has made so it feels pretty whatever to me
i don't really want to lim in the hood today though

[Cat Scratch Fever]

also the Lycan wagon -

I can't even remember a post Lycan has made so it feels pretty whatever to me

i don't really want to lim in the hood today though

That's generally a pretty good sign someone is scum

[Aristeia]

VOTE: morning tweet she is scummiest person so far

when you wrote this post - what was your thought process for why Tweet was the scummiest person so far.

[Aristeia]

you seem to be way easier to get pissed off and more defensive and I feel like you are giving less of a shit about scumhunting

well the last game we played together I got shitpushed by scum and almost got eliminated because I was pretty passive and didn't defend myself so why do you think I would decide to repeat that experience.

[Aristeia]

you're currently my top SR and at E-3 and I am actively pushing for your elimination so your line about "not giving a shit about scumhunting" seems incongruent with the reality of the situation.

[Cat Scratch Fever]

Yeah, I'm not sure what do to.

I was advised to share my thought processes and also to not have long posts.

That...might be difficult for me lol. But I will try to condense

Where?

[VP Baltar]

that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

opportunistic, very artificial progression toward the wagon

How is it opportunistic? I don't believe it is much of a progression at all, as I haven't really focused much on cakez before this.

You think I shouldn't be giving opinions on a fastly growing wagon?

you immediately writing off he first vote asri made as a bus is pretty weak shit yeah

asri on balar: uhhhm ahhh hemmm hes being bad to me but idk if i wanna voooote

asri on cakez: yeah sure great case let's go

These posts back to back make nonsense. You correctly point out that asri's vote is shitty and unexplained, but you think I'm "opportunistic" for pointing that out.

Wut?

[VP Baltar]

My own take on the cakez wagon is that I kind of like what ari is saying, and that meta read doesn't seem crazy to me. Cakez is not great at scum from what I've seen (I love you cakez!), though others on this site seem to be able to vibe him much better than me.

If ari is town, the wagon comp isn't terrible either outside asri, which could be bussing if cakez flipped scum.

I do agree with Peta that this post was terrible
like what is Baltar even saying here?

(ily too i know im not great lol but also this was scummy boss)

What is unclear to you about what I'm saying? Ari makes a reasonable point that I can see skimming those games, and if she's town, that wagon comp isn't terrible. Klick is my top townread. Asri I can definitely see as a bus given their general reaction to a very reasonable ask.

What's confusing to you?

[petapan]

that is such a fucking scummy post

how so

opportunistic, very artificial progression toward the wagon

How is it opportunistic? I don't believe it is much of a progression at all, as I haven't really focused much on cakez before this.

You think I shouldn't be giving opinions on a fastly growing wagon?

you immediately writing off he first vote asri made as a bus is pretty weak shit yeah

asri on balar: uhhhm ahhh hemmm hes being bad to me but idk if i wanna voooote

asri on cakez: yeah sure great case let's go

These posts back to back make nonsense. You correctly point out that asri's vote is shitty and unexplained, but you think I'm "opportunistic" for pointing that out.

Wut?

no, you're angling yourself to vote on the wagon despite saying asri's vote is bad and i currently think cakez is probably a townie that scum are taking advantage of ari's ragetunnel to wagon

[Black]

Where?

Earlier in the game I believe it was Ali and peta that said I should be transparent with my thought process. And recently it was MT that said my posts were a bit on the heavy side xD

[Firebringer]

if i vote someone who isn't ari, will I be called scum for "backpedaling my push" and "giving up when I got resistance to it"?

this is the kind of shit I have to think about at all times regardless of my alignment bc someone always tries to fucking lim me

I don't know why you would bother caring to think about this as either alignment.

[Aristeia]

no, you're angling yourself to vote on the wagon despite saying asri's vote is bad and i currently think cakez is probably a townie that scum are taking advantage of ari's ragetunnel to wagon

the funnier timeline would be if Baltar was telegraphing Cakes flips scum and is actually preparing to bus and try to mislim Asri tomm as "the bus vote"

I do hear what you are saying about me probably being more influenced by anger than reason atp and I do appreciate it.

[Firebringer]

I would posit that scum her would be more focused on arguing over reasons for scumreading.

ok but I feel like that's exactly what is happening. like the posts I just replied to her on were her debating on her meta and asking me to elaborate on my reasons for SRing her. it feels like she's mad I came for her so early off of not that much.

why would scum her be mad at u for coming at her with not much.

idk about u but when i am scum and i see a weak ass push by town on me with not much i laugh. I don't get mad.

[Black]

also the Lycan wagon -

I can't even remember a post Lycan has made so it feels pretty whatever to me

i don't really want to lim in the hood today though

That's generally a pretty good sign someone is scum

But you think Cakez is a better vote option than Lycan? Why did you jump on the Cakez wagon?

[petapan]

my reads on about half the game feel very murky and underdeveloped but let me try

{Aristeia, furtiveglance, Klick} - i think with reasonable confidence these people are town

{Black} - i think they're town with very slight reservations

{redFF, SirCakez} - i kind of think they're town for reasons that aren't amazing but gut says not scum

{Morning Tweet, Cat Scratch Fever, Alisae, Taly) - these are all players who are generically okay but i don't have super strong townreads on them. alisae a shade lower because e has a better scumgame than MT or CSF and thus higher potential to be fooling me. the last time i played with town alisae was a long time ago and e played differently then s not totally sure how to read the current version of alisae but haven't had anything from em that raised a real red flag for me. i don't remember much from taly but i like how she started.

{Mistyx, Asri Teroka, Gimli, VP Baltar, Lycanfire} - hopefully at least 2 scum in here? gimli is one where i gave him credit for conviction etc but his case on furtive was kind of a shitpush and he hasn't really had anything else since then

oh, i just remembered i left firebringer out of my reads, he's my top scumread but only because he doesn't want to be townread

[Black]

oh, i just remembered i left firebringer out of my reads, he's my top scumread but only because he doesn't want to be townread

Would you mind sharing your actual read of Fire?

[Cat Scratch Fever]

But you think Cakez is a better vote option than Lycan?

Why did you jump on the Cakez wagon?

People on the Lycan wagon were moving to Cakez. I wrote 1084 to see what Cakez would say, but I guess he's gone again. I don't think either of the reasons Cakez provided - "not wanting to lim in the hood" as the other reason - for avoiding the Lycan wagon are compelling