Before Ali's reaction I was leaning wolf. I wasn't sure, but I thought red made good points earlier in the game and the way they were dismissed by Ali was kinda sus to me. So I voted and asked for reads. Her following reaction shocked me. I wasn't expecting her to shit on me and the way I play mafia, or my intelligenceIn post 1548, Aristeia wrote:Yes my point is that it shouldn't shock you if someone you are accusing of being wolf does something that is not townie because that's what wolves are supposed to do?In post 1546, Black wrote: It didn't feel like townie progression to me. Idk what else to tell you.
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ok but where are the personal attacks prior to 1379?
I've reread that section and I don't really see how she's shitting on you.
1373 917pm: Ali responds to your request for reads by putting you in her towncore with a large number of other names, she states how she feels about others as well. It feels like she's just dumping where everyone is in her mind onto the page. She states she's disinterested in the game and not motivated but she's also promising to be committed to playing
1374 918pm: she states she's sort of skimming and not deep reading, she states she's putting this game on the "back burner" because when she finds the motivation she'll really deepread everything.
1376 923pm: she says she wants to take black out of towncore, says maybe black is town but the gameplay could be wolf because the votes are pretty bad ig - i dunno.
1377 925pm: she states black throws around omgus and votes people who do that.
1378 925pm: she states if she voted black right now he would probly turbo tunnel me because omgus.
1379 928pm: Black: "Did my vote bother you? I thought you were going to put the game on the back burner"
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maybe he's not town lolIn post 1486, Gimli wrote:big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled on
do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like-
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I've already explained my thoughts about our interaction in this post. It's fine if you don't see it as her being rude to me. That's the way I see itIn post 1551, Aristeia wrote: ok but where are the personal attacks prior to 1379?
I've reread that section and I don't really see how she's shitting on you.
1373 917pm: Ali responds to your request for reads by putting you in her towncore with a large number of other names, she states how she feels about others as well. It feels like she's just dumping where everyone is in her mind onto the page. She states she's disinterested in the game and not motivated but she's also promising to be committed to playing
1374 918pm: she states she's sort of skimming and not deep reading, she states she's putting this game on the "back burner" because when she finds the motivation she'll really deepread everything.
1376 923pm: she says she wants to take black out of towncore, says maybe black is town but the gameplay could be wolf because the votes are pretty bad ig - i dunno.
1377 925pm: she states black throws around omgus and votes people who do that.
1378 925pm: she states if she voted black right now he would probly turbo tunnel me because omgus.
1379 928pm: Black: "Did my vote bother you? I thought you were going to put the game on the back burner"
like the most insulting thing you could maybe squint at is 1377/1378 which is her saying you like to use omgus a lot?-
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the thing about this is you're saying Alisae is being opportunistic in the way she is treating your slot and it depends on how you are treating her slot. As in she's townreading you but once you turned on her, she flipped her townread and is pushing you.In post 1426, Black wrote: I need to get some rest now. This progression is still the scummiest thing I've seen in this game
In post 1392, Black wrote: I was in your towncore a few minutes ago > you move me to just town > you question my votes and phrasing > you threaten to vote for me? > you say I'm playing like a wolf > you get upset and question my ability to play mafia...
However she never expressed a townread on you prior to 1373. Just flipping through her iso the only "read" if you can call it that on you is from 554 which is not a townread at all.
It seems much simpler for ali!scum to re-read first, decide she wants to keep you outside of her townread/core section and then enter the thread that way and push you or ignore you, rather than haphazardly placing you inside and then progressing down to wolf read.
you could say she's lost track of where you are in her reads because she has fake reads and misplaced you into towncore then began faking a progression - but that begs the question that if her reads are fake why didn't she just start off with you in the scumlean section? It feels much cleaner and less performative and I think would be preferable for her.-
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which comment from her prior to 1379 did you see as rude/personal?In post 1553, Black wrote: I've already explained my thoughts about our interaction in this post. It's fine if you don't see it as her being rude to me. That's the way I see it-
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Why do you still think Ari is scum? you seem to have conceded that your points for scumreading her were not goodIn post 1507, SirCakez wrote: i still think Ari is scummy and there's prolly a scum or two inside (CSF, Asri, Red)
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I'm retracting my sircakez townread-
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I do agree she was rude to you
I do agree that she was needlessly rude to you and crossed the line multiple times later in the exchange and raged pretty hard. I hope it doesn't happen again. The issue I have is that I suspect you incited her intentionally because I can't really understand how the comments you made are not meant to incite. I hope I'm wrong because it seems kind of icky for you to do that. I'm trying to understand your mindset about why you did what you did.In post 1553, Black wrote: It's fine if you don't see it as her being rude to me.
I think Alisae did what she did because she was angry and pissed off - this is unfortunately not useful for reading Ali because I've seen her do this as both alignments - I've even seen her do this as scum to another scumbuddy. It's not really useful for gauging either of your alignments.-
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dunno i think him acting like he should be above suspicion merely for defending cakez is a bit trash, it's the way he defaulted to "go after them not me" and downgrading his read on cakez in the face of it, too self-image conscious rather than interested in finding scum?In post 1535, Aristeia wrote:its funny because gimlis view of the cakes wagon and cakes view of his own wagon is completely different and he hasnt figured out why this is when the answer is sort of obvious.
also not sure cakez-scum bites the hand that's trying to feed him like that tbh. unless he's trying to make them look unaligned lmaofree crypto-
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scum gimli trying to rescue scum cakes from his wagon of townies and cakes slapping him away would be the best timeline pls datisi make it happen-
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Can we not? This interaction last night took a lot out of me and I'm not sure why you feel the need to tunnel on it and relive it. Why is this all you can think about? Do you think I'm scum? Please make a case if you do. I'm tired of talking about Alisae being rude to meIn post 1555, Aristeia wrote:which comment from her prior to 1379 did you see as rude/personal?-
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I am asking you because I don't know what your alignment is. I've been thinking about other things too, it just happens this was something that stuck in my mind because it's somewhat prominent.In post 1561, Black wrote:
Can we not? This interaction last night took a lot out of me and I'm not sure why you feel the need to tunnel on it and relive it. Why is this all you can think about? Do you think I'm scum? Please make a case if you do. I'm tired of talking about Alisae being rude to meIn post 1555, Aristeia wrote:which comment from her prior to 1379 did you see as rude/personal?
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That's fair. I've been thinking about it a lot too obviously but I don't want to tunnel on her so I try to push it outIn post 1562, Aristeia wrote:
I am asking you because I don't know what your alignment is. I've been thinking about other things too, it just happens this was something that stuck in my mind because it's somewhat prominent.In post 1561, Black wrote:
Can we not? This interaction last night took a lot out of me and I'm not sure why you feel the need to tunnel on it and relive it. Why is this all you can think about? Do you think I'm scum? Please make a case if you do. I'm tired of talking about Alisae being rude to meIn post 1555, Aristeia wrote:which comment from her prior to 1379 did you see as rude/personal?
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meh i could be wrong about cakez i really don't like him coming back and calling people's lists trash with no elaboration after reading it back againfree crypto-
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it is pretty wild he called redff's list trash and now they're voting for White Dwarf Knight Gimli togetherIn post 1525, Datisi wrote: GIMLI [2]: SirCakez, redFF
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Cakez, red and mistyxx all look scummier the past four pages I skimmed.
That is all.
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Spoiler: gimli at cakez
Gimli feels a bit extra betrayed here, it sort of feels like scum who knows the cakez wagon is off but then cakez goes at him anyway and it's like WHAT. I guess that was an obvious possible conclusion that's already been brought up though. The "I've been defending you." post doesn't exactly sit right
Something about this "It's pointless to be examining me when there's 4 people voting for you" feels not true, like you're implying Cakez having a suspicion on you can't exist with cakez also suspecting ppl wagoning him. But can't he do both? It's not like suspecting you closes off the possibility of there being scum on the wagon.In post 1486, Gimli wrote:
big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled onIn post 1477, SirCakez wrote:
how are you so certain on this? who are the scum here?In post 1161, Gimli wrote: SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF
I promise you there is scum in this wagon
do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like
Also, of course, ditto on the "It could be 6 townies yes" point as well
I guess this is the heart of the issue. Are you really implying because 6 ppl are voting Cakez, then him expressing a suspicion on you is strange? It doesn't feeel that weird. But I'm willing to hear more about thisIn post 1493, Gimli wrote:
okay but don't you think it's strange that the guy is being piled on but picks my posts to be suspicious about? I'm a little flabbergasted, IDK what to make of itIn post 1485, Mistyx wrote:
i now want to vote this because this looks like scum mad over a failed pocketIn post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?-
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Ok but from my pov there is a fuckton of motivation for you to come in here as scum esp cuz it seems like the wagon is stalled out and prolly won't go through in its current iteration. Why should I assume you are town for doing the bare minimum to crap on a shitty wagon on me?In post 1524, Gimli wrote:
you live in an alternate reality.In post 1520, SirCakez wrote: like again
this is possibly the scummiest post in the gameIn post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
I think your wagon is suspicious, I think there's scum in it. I happen to think you're town, meaning you're on my side, meaning I get to defend you from the wolves piling onto your wagon. IDK, maybe that's scummy, I have no clue how that's your perspective out of all the players itg, but okay.Brian Skies - "I just wanna say Cakez is an evil mod and this is an evil setup."
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I think defending myself is pointless cause this is all dumb but I'll note one thing: the "I've been defending you" bit is to cakez saying what I'm posting is gonna get me scumread. Note that he was throwing shade at me already with the "this is scum who is afraid he'll be scumread for lack of posting" bit, I ask him who's scumreading me and he says that. So I point to cakez, like, what I've been doing since that post, and yes I do think it's absolutely nuts that he doesn't have the intuition to check on his wagon first before throwing random shit at me.In post 1570, Morning Tweet wrote:Spoiler: gimli at cakez
Gimli feels a bit extra betrayed here, it sort of feels like scum who knows the cakez wagon is off but then cakez goes at him anyway and it's like WHAT. I guess that was an obvious possible conclusion that's already been brought up though. The "I've been defending you." post doesn't exactly sit right
Something about this "It's pointless to be examining me when there's 4 people voting for you" feels not true, like you're implying Cakez having a suspicion on you can't exist with cakez also suspecting ppl wagoning him. But can't he do both? It's not like suspecting you closes off the possibility of there being scum on the wagon.In post 1486, Gimli wrote:
big wagon with thin reasoning behind, early trenders are towny but the late people in it are sketchy slots, seems you're getting piled onIn post 1477, SirCakez wrote:
how are you so certain on this? who are the scum here?In post 1161, Gimli wrote: SIRCAKEZ [6]: Aristeia, Alisae, Klick, Cat Scratch Fever, Asri Teroka, redFF
I promise you there is scum in this wagon
do you seriously need other people to tell you there's scum in your wagon? do you think you're being wagoned by six townies instead? I'm perplexed you're picking this post of mine, out of all the posts I made, to be sus on. if you're town you must certainly share my line of reasoning here??? like
Also, of course, ditto on the "It could be 6 townies yes" point as well
I guess this is the heart of the issue. Are you really implying because 6 ppl are voting Cakez, then him expressing a suspicion on you is strange? It doesn't feeel that weird. But I'm willing to hear more about thisIn post 1493, Gimli wrote:
okay but don't you think it's strange that the guy is being piled on but picks my posts to be suspicious about? I'm a little flabbergasted, IDK what to make of itIn post 1485, Mistyx wrote:
i now want to vote this because this looks like scum mad over a failed pocketIn post 1476, Gimli wrote: why don't you search for scum inside your wagon instead of on one of the only people who are actually townreading you?
But I don't feel that interaction is "weird", I've come to terms that cakez might be scum, there's scum bussing him which is why I was alarmed by the wagon, which is also why my instinct was to defend him and townread him. It's dumb but it's how I was reading the game before.
I think it was CSF who showed cakez' poor progression on Ari, from scumreading to admitting poor understanding of her posts, to scumreading again. I felt his position wrt me was similarly unidimensional now, cause it went from throwing shade due to my self aware inactivity to throwing more shade and flat out call me open wolfing!! For thinking there's scum in his wagon and it being a weird wagon.-
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