Micro 1083: Garlic Bread Heist! (Game Over)

[hellbooks]

Additional Rules

1. Post 435 is booby trapped. If you make that post you must choose to either self vote for 36 hours or go vegetarian for 36 hours
2. hellbooks is moderator confirmed to be

Multitasking

(cleaning while making this post)
3. VP Baltar and tris are moderator confirmed to be in a

Mental Neighborhood

(does not have a PT but any extant telekinetic powers may be used by either of them to communicate with each other
4. You may talk about ongoing games as long as its this game and in this thread
5. You may use Google Docs as long as you don't link them here

[hellbooks]

huh. That's pretty odd. cuz i'd think town should be making a "concerted effort" to find scum. not do your little \art project. vote: skygazer sorry VOTE: vote: skygazer get at me. also before anyone asks, knights in 7

[hellbooks]

I want to address this post only to Skygazer.
Maybe they'll get the message:

This game's gonna be pretty fun, don't you think?
Real talk, I've been looking forward to it
Although I saw a reserved spot for you at the pre-game scum mixer
I never saw you show up!
Town should come to the mixer head held high in my opinion
On top of that you're now doing this suspicious whiteboard art project
Really hope you understand what I'm saying and act appropriately

[hellbooks]

tris and baltz probably coordinated this push in their Mental Neighborhood fwiw

[hellbooks]

the mind meld

this is tris crumbing the mental neighborhood btw

You may as well join. You're going to look pretty silly when you don't use this big brain duo

i actually thought about nakedvoting shea before yall did while reading on my phone but you kids go have fun doesnt seem like you need me : )
(1/4) (just gonna preemptively commit to making 4 posts)

[hellbooks]

sheep saying "i think vp baltar is town" and garly saying "explain" and sheep saying "ok here is why": i am reading this sequence as slightly +scum for sheep, maybe like half a plus (﬩scum)

im head canoning garly as george bailey (the theory of acronym)
also ++﬩"drive your plow over the bones of the dead" equity with noun capitalization and whimsical nickname assignment

I Ask That All Fully Read my Long Recipe I have Whipped up, as I understand it, Many Young Chefs are Allergic to Reading Recipes that have more than 3 Ingredients

sorry but im literally not gonna fully read it. are you mad. are you mad. are you mad. are you mad. if you stop townreading me ill read it to appease you
(2/4)

[hellbooks]

i ought to make a concerted effort to only post vcs on pagebottoms as a mod

The fact you are trying to build a multi-point case on page six is pretty absurd on its face though. I find it hard to believe you're taking the game that seriously at this point.

VOTE: VP

oh so what you suddenly love cases now huh is that it

Sometimes I just say things that pop into my head without thinking about whether it would be smart to not say them yet.

saying something and then later going back to be like "oh man i tipped my hand i should have gathered more ammo and then hit em with the epic observation" is something i would extremely extremely say as scum to perform an evaluative process btw

bread trying to case 2 people early seemed kinda narrative spinny

probably obliquely like "drive your plow", just to increase gb's equity there
damn i should have saved my "garlic bread is like drive your plow over the bones of the dead" case for later after they had said more things that were like that
tipped my hand there
(3/4)

[hellbooks]

with a blindspot in *maybe* hellbooks

[i enter your direct field of vision and yell "hey!!" "pay attention to me!" a bunch of times]
(4/4) thx for not posting in the middle of my thread everyone!

[hellbooks]

this reminded me of the book "a girl is a half formed thing"
who else wants to be assigned a booksona

[thread emoji] (1/1)

all of a sudden the thread emoji seems to be disallowed bc i now get an error
were there only 4 thread emojis available and i just burned through all of them at once? how awful

[hellbooks]

test

[hellbooks]

BRO WHAT IS HAPPENING RIGHT NOW

ok does this work

test

[hellbooks]

ok i am simply unable to determine what makes the thread emoji successfully post vs take me to an error so im just going to assume that the website spins a wheel to determine if it works or not

[hellbooks]

We don't need a daddy, thx.

what balts neglected to mention is that its bc we already have one (me)

[hellbooks]

gth PoE, towncore

goth poe and towncore would both be good names for tumblr microaesthetics
ok i'm cutting myself off from posting

[hellbooks]

I think it's fairly anti town and unsportsmanlike to do so, and frankly disrespectful to the work I did if you're town. I'm not going to vote you for it but I'm also not going to respect your opinion as much if you want to act the jackass

in yet another jackass move im only going to allow to open one of these three responses; choose wisely

Spoiler: option 1

ok youre probably not george bailey

Spoiler: option 2

i actually did read it i was lying

Spoiler: option 3

you shouldnt be respecting my opinion to begin with

[hellbooks]

I picked them all. Brooks, can we be friends this game?

here's some more dialogue options for you:

Spoiler: option 1

no - you violated the social contract of choosing only one option and are persona non grata to me forever.

Spoiler: option 2

just this game? is friendship really so fickle to you that it would last but for the length of a mere game? a micro at that?

Spoiler: option 3

i'm hesitant to initiate a friendship with scum, but i'm all for breaking barriers. let us reach across the aisle and join hands!

[hellbooks]

omg i start posting and now everyones asking me questions like im the damn oracle of delphi
lets get back to the game people you can be obsessed with me on your own time

[hellbooks]

if someone disapproves of the way people plays because it gets in the way of like some believed philosophy that town can reach some prevailing truth by communicating proactively and voluminously enough in the marketplace of ideas then i dont actually fault that; it is a team game after all.

i also support someone committing to a posting gimmick for personal enjoyment

but i dont see those two things coexisting very neatly. not that its scum but i dont agree with shea townreading it

[hellbooks]

to form the darksided counterpart of garly's angel4lyfe towncore let me form a theorized devil4lyfe scumcore of (sheep, tris, xofelf, skygazer)

[hellbooks]

i think vp baltar isnt acting unlike the game we were in where he was scum but i choose to believe hes not scum, because we're friends. and also theres no way you roll scum again i mean comme on what are the odds of that. dont answer that. put away your math book tris

[hellbooks]

shea's looking to be kind of a hard person for me to scumread

i find it generally easier to pick out scum from town among the type of person who ends up being slightly and cleverly evasive around a wagon on them, or trying to be proactive and counter push an alternative option instead of really playing defense

but it seems like shea will just get in the weeds with you and be like "dont wagon me. i dont like that."

I dont really understand what the hope is with wagoning me early. I'm not gunna like do anything about it.

ive always found this reactive sort of posting to be quite difficult to evaluate

[hellbooks]

Balts chainsawing me so hard were gonna get partner cased again s2g

[hellbooks]

Balts chainsawing me so hard were gonna get partner cased again s2g

I thought this was the mixer plan?

Yes and part of the mixer plan was for me to self awarely call it out so its harder to criticize

[hellbooks]

Balts chainsawing me so hard were gonna get partner cased again s2g

Would You Say This About Sheep's Vote On You?

I just meant that baltar seemed to chomp at sheep after the vote on me, as well as pressing shea to explain why he was willing to vote me

[hellbooks]

I Have Expessed a Complex Opinion on Every Slot, How many Mafia Have you Seen Do That?

Literally like so many of them
But i think youre town

[hellbooks]

In fact i also wanted to call that out: saying that im "hamming it up" does not in fact make sense. Im just like being myself

If i were to sign up for a game with an intention to adopt a posting policy anxious of how people see me i wouldnt have signed up in the first place bc it wouldnt have been any fun for me

[hellbooks]

imagine bread having a position of power over me lmao i can literally put you in the oven and eat you. I am the thread father. Dont talk to me or my son (baltar) ever again

[hellbooks]

as long as we're sillysolving my solve is trisgazer. Dont NK me for being too correct, i'm traitor

[hellbooks]

what are you gonna do, lim me?
- guy who just got limmed

[hellbooks]

I Have Expessed a Complex Opinion on Every Slot, How many Mafia Have you Seen Do That?

OMG POST 435 ALERT
You have to self vote or go vegetarian

[hellbooks]

In fact i also wanted to call that out: saying that im "hamming it up" does not in fact make sense. Im just like being myself

If i were to sign up for a game with an intention to adopt a posting policy anxious of how people see me i wouldnt have signed up in the first place bc it wouldnt have been any fun for me

perhaps the shitposting just feels less natural to me this time around not knowing your alignment?

ok jesus i am literally believing you so hard it's unreal ok UNVOTE: VOTE: tris

[hellbooks]

ive heard through the grapevine that post 1023 is booby trapped-- whoever makes that post has to say "i love you" to three friends. watch out! oh and also eat a spoonful of mustard

my vote largely rests on the feeling that tris is making an effort to be proactive enough to keep up appearances (maybe in a way that contrasts with my memory of last game), with a foundational confidence that comes from knowing alignments. maybe i mean she isnt being wishy washy enough or smth

[hellbooks]

Can you at least unvote and revote one more time then

[hellbooks]

Ok
Np
Sry for asking
Ill continue to try and think of a booksona for you

[hellbooks]

UNVOTE:
Doesnt feel right rn ill sleep on it

[hellbooks]

She Has A kinda Scummy Gaslight Gatekeep Girlboss Vibe if That Makes sense

One of the tragicest and truest things to ever be said about me

[hellbooks]

"oh i recognize this thing as something ive chosen to do before as scum" is something i point out bc its interesting to me -- i did it in other game too. about fireisredsir and meuh. citation post 91 and 132. both town btw, so the odds looks pretty good for you (no need for math book, tris). i guess im just super good at doing things town do as scum

[hellbooks]

listen. i dont broadly agree with the mafia as an institution. but some of them are cool. for instance, vp baltar. and yourself

[hellbooks]

[hellbooks]

im guessing it means that garly replaced into a slot i occupied where i was town and my posts were like so alienly and markedly different than what they are here

[hellbooks]

indulge me in a little self meta but

for balts or sky who may be thinking that my behavior in that last game was platonically emblematic of the vanilla townie, i think id be able to equally embrace death as a PR too (editors note: this is to wifom scum into nightkilling me on the off chance i make it out of day 1).

and for the haters: yea id probably be able to be like this as scum too so dont worry your precious case remains intact

anyway i am now reading. im at this work retreat and am also dually managing my pain and medical situation. so i have sort of been nominally vla for the past 3 days and will be for 1 or 2 more days

[hellbooks]

I think I'm lean town on her now to some degree, but it's not a high confidence read. Feel like she hasn't really gotten much of a foothold yet this game.

ive silently been wanting to engage suspicion on xof for a while but it seemed like theyre out there in the world trying to live their best life so i thought about waiting until our timelines aligned

[hellbooks]

gah i think i might vote hellbooks

you should
but wait to grab the hammer, get guiltied, then let balts clutch it out in ELO. anecdotally, this is a 100% winning strategy

[hellbooks]

i think alisae has been townily passive

[hellbooks]

in case yall wanted a recent scum game to compare my "town meta" to, here you go -- i wouldnt take much stock in it though

[hellbooks]

i choked them too early

the ego is huge on this one

saying something and then later going back to be like "oh man i tipped my hand i should have gathered more ammo and then hit em with the epic observation" is something i would extremely extremely say as scum to perform an evaluative process btw

the absolute shade of it all

[hellbooks]

I just saw hellbrooks as town when I was scum in our last game. My thought is her banter is kind of similar to there, though I feel like she's not doing as much pressuring this game as she was there.

it's because i havent tipped my hand yet. i've got dozens, nay, hundreds of cases churning in the oven. hasselback style. that's right, i know my garlic bread techniques. by the way this is a lie

[hellbooks]

IM NOT GOON ANYMORE
WORST DAY OF MY LIFE 2K23

[hellbooks]

For me, a big part of the fun of mafia lies in the social and joking around with friends aspects. But I recognize that this isn't true for most people -- I just had a very great time playing in a game where my largely unserious posting was fairly positively received by everyone, so I thought I'd just keep doing that forever. I quickly realized that this wasn't the case for this game and I'm struggling and feeling reluctant to adjust to actually acting as a "Respectable player" as affirmed by the "Mafia literature". Especially as someone who operates on the humbling foundational belief that my scumreads are not distinguishably better than random. Or at least i have not been strongly compelled to believe otherwise by experience or consistent game playing. I would like to advocate by saying that thats probably why I've been less broadly engaged in this game compared to the other one, as stated by baltar: not because of me getting pressured, or even because of my work obligations, but mainly for this reason -- That my preferred style of unhelpful posting is (reasonably, i admit) not being received as well.

To answer your question, i would ask you to refer to my devil4lyfe pool. Ofc i've been a little shaken on sky & tris. I dont have a townread on baltar. I'm actually quite willing to be a warm body on a sheep lim (a sheep if you will). Yes, my own partner! The scandal! That being said, i would discourage you from expecting me, or indeed many other people, to have opinions on people, or associations between people, that are as strong as yours. But it doesnt seem like from my perspective that folks turning up the heat on sheep is at the moment yielding veal, which i use as a food metaphor, to emulate your own gimmick, for "better answers."

[hellbooks]

^ i bet at least three ppl are gonna townread me for this banger btw. Ppl love text

[hellbooks]

VINDICATED???? i am selfish i am wrong i am right?? I swear im right swear i knew it all along?? My breadther in christ youre like my biggest hater! Save that energy for the red flips hon!!!!

[hellbooks]

garlys clearly had a problem with it which was what i was referring to

[hellbooks]

just gonna VOTE: shea to make it utterly impossible that he will ever stop scumreading me for the rest of the game and probably any future games

[hellbooks]

sheep saying "i think vp baltar is town" and garly saying "explain" and sheep saying "ok here is why": i am reading this sequence as slightly +scum for sheep, maybe like half a plus (﬩scum)

im head canoning garly as george bailey (the theory of acronym)
also ++﬩"drive your plow over the bones of the dead" equity with noun capitalization and whimsical nickname assignment

I Ask That All Fully Read my Long Recipe I have Whipped up, as I understand it, Many Young Chefs are Allergic to Reading Recipes that have more than 3 Ingredients

sorry but im literally not gonna fully read it. are you mad. are you mad. are you mad. are you mad. if you stop townreading me ill read it to appease you
(2/4)

I think it's fairly anti town and unsportsmanlike to do so, and frankly disrespectful to the work I did if you're town. I'm not going to vote you for it but I'm also not going to respect your opinion as much if you want to act the jackass

this was strongly the moment where i was like oh shit ok this game might not be what i expected

[hellbooks]

Idk that i'd say the whole *game* is that way, just GB is like that, and also the most talkative.

ok but i still felt the way i felt about it
its not like i was hurt by it but i just had a perspective shift where i thought "oh, different things might start to be expected of me this game, i should keep that in mind"

shea can be like "well i think youre lying about your feelings" and that is absolutely his right, but theres not really much i can say to prove that i felt a certain way so i just settled on voting him in an act of self love and self advocacy

i have to get an MRI at some point so if that overlaps with this game i'll ask the brain doctor about it. no i wont. that would violate the ongoing games policy. so, we shall proceed as such

[hellbooks]

just had the thought that it would be so dope if you were just pretending to know me

[hellbooks]

me posting from alt: "yea so i am actually your wife and i see you posting and snickering evilly at your computer. i can say with 98 per cent certainty that you are scum"

[hellbooks]

This is what they call "making yourself irreplaceable at the workplace"

[hellbooks]

regarding the "too bold to be scum" posting: if i had been scum i don't think it inconceivable that i'd at some point gauge "hey (to my partner) (who is vp baltar) would you be super extremely mad if i got limmed d1" and if they said "yes" then i would probably have tried a bit harder. but if they said "go for it king" and idk maybe proceeded to bus the living daylights out of me then i dont think it would really that be hard for me, or really anyone with a shameless and casual attitude towards mafia, to play it this fast and loose

but i feel like we're getting into layers of like unproductive honesty where many of my recent statements are indistinguishable between truth and manipulation so i think we might want to pivot from this topic, and if you end up wanting to lim me today then hell, i'll be the one to hand you the knife. oops, i did it again ; )

[hellbooks]

ok even im disgusted with myself for that post. definitely veered too far into the joker "hit me. i want you to hit me" energy. i need to look in the mirror and reflect on that one for sure. BASICALLY what im trying to say is that if you want to lim me im fine with it as a person. and there are many scenarios on all points of the alignment spectrum in which that is the case. so let's not talk too much about this boldness stuff. thats all. OK but like this post is also dripping with "pls townread me im being so intellectually honest" energy so this one's also disgusting, i literally cannot stop making bad posts oh my god. it was like this in the other game too. i am so sorry. pls dont turn this one into a copypasta too

[hellbooks]

[hellbooks]

imagine a magician that is like "i am so good at this trick that i can show it to you. i can tell you exactly how it works. but when i do it a second time you're still gonna fall for it."

that is me except the trick is getting limmed on D1

[hellbooks]

those last two posts feel like something that would come out of my head if i let myself just keep typing with no regard for whether i should

the single productive thing that came out of my HGFP fiesta was that tris came in and made this ++﬩town post

[hellbooks]

Early hellbooks posting was fun and good vibey. I kinda feel like she's overcorrected in response to pressure, and jokes she makes now hit different and less fun.

Laughed at this bc I first read it like I was being portrayed as someone who felt this mounting obligation to continue to make jokes even when I'm all torn up inside, like I was having my "but doctor, I am pagliacci moment"

[hellbooks]

Ok I know I like to self deprecate by talking about how useless i am and so on but I do actually think the last several pages are an information gold mine for the discerning reader. And I like to think I've had a key role in that through my generative controversy. Perhaps this is my niche. I'm cutting myself off from posting now

[hellbooks]

My biggest concern about garlic is actually the PR fishing

i think thats the single shining townpoint for me, funnily enough

[hellbooks]

Btw i will literally white knight baltar against the accusation that hes not funny i got offended for him on his behalf too

[hellbooks]

My biggest concern about garlic is actually the PR fishing

i think thats the single shining townpoint for me, funnily enough

are you looking at it as like "uninhibited" or something? thats where im at w it, but that combined with the thread control is enough to give me a little pause

I just thought the alisae spoiler that i read illegally was p towny

[hellbooks]

omg remember when vp baltar doubleposted by accident on page 10
Lollllllllllll cant believe he did that

[hellbooks]

Banana bread

[hellbooks]

amusingly the course evaluation page offers to generate a word cloud of my reviews

Someone doing a historical word cloud analysis on mafiascum.net: why was the site absolutely poisoned by the word "elaboratable" in mid 2023

[hellbooks]

hellbooks dropping a banana bread is unfortunately NAI. feel like she's one of the only people here that would read all the drivel without having a red role. i thought GB would probably see it too actually but it doesnt seem like they did. also NAI. thank you for participating in mafiascum's shittiest honeypot.

Yea you cant lay any spike traps for scum in games im in bc ill just cluelessly and jauntily fall into all of them. Try mustard next time

[hellbooks]

Has anyone yet called sheep "a wolf in sheep's clothing" as a rhetorical device

[hellbooks]

never say meep

[hellbooks]

i think we've all established that as fact already so not rly sure why you're asking about it like you don't know? kinda sus?

[hellbooks]

Is this emulatable

[hellbooks]

Banana bread

It just means that my vortex of failposting is so potent that ive got even the serious players sending memes in my replies (yes shea, i know this framing is disingenuous, garlic bread has in fact been gimmicking and joking around)

[hellbooks]

Does alisae often take a backseat like this as scum?

[hellbooks]

I see, if there's people from TM who had a shared experience then i suppose it could be a conscious choice from Alisae to metabreak but idk I think I'm just going to let Baltar stew in his "why isnt anyone believing me" indignation for a little bit longer

[hellbooks]

"could be" yeah and i could be a real piece of bread playing this game.

WAIT YOURE NOT??????

[hellbooks]

WHAT THE HECK

[hellbooks]

WHAT 3 MINUTE RESEARCH DID YOU DO THAT MADE YOU BECOME A COMPLETELY DIFFERENT PERSON

[hellbooks]

HATERS NO LONGER VOTING ME WE'VE WEATHERED THE PAGLIACCI ERA LADIES!!!

[hellbooks]

HATERS NO LONGER VOTING ME WE'VE WEATHERED THE PAGLIACCI ERA LADIES!!!

You're welcome

Just like we planned it, mixer4lyfe!!

[hellbooks]

ok let me ELI5:

me: i thought alisae poking around the way she was was towny enough for a pass d1, feel that they powerwolf normally in games
*researches recent games*
*finds alisae scumgames in smaller PLs*
*sees she does a sorta dance like in this game and that it isn't as NAI as I thought*
me: oh ok i shouldn't be so lenient + people are being silly and finding sheep town for very bad reasons

i'm ready for the dystopian future in which mafia has been purified into a contest of the self, where everyone competes to play incrementally townier than their towniest scumgame so that they're always pulling out of their scumrange

i want to understand your thought process on alisae correctly. is it

option 1:

you thought there were things that were scum about alisae, but there was one meta related thing that you believed to be unassailably town (the not powerwolfing). but now that this meta has been disproved in the span of 3 minutes' hard work, the floodgates were opened and all you had left were the scummy things

option 2:

you didn't think there were things that were scum about alisae, but what you originally thought to be their town meta came to be in fact their scum meta, and you are voting them based on this alone

option 3:

xyzzy

[hellbooks]

posts like "are you taunting us?" type way.

are you sure you guys dont want to lim me... i just want everyone to get along...

[hellbooks]

we have so many days we have like 5 days

this is a ﬩town post

Still digesting everything that has happened but shea gained some town points from this exchange

i trust u cuz i aint reading all that
(but if you call me a jackass i might be moved to)( )

I think I might be a bit biased against your playstyle, GB. It keeps hitting these places that are just mean at best. Like, there's an energy to your posts, especially the last couple pages that I almost don't care what your alignment is, I'd yeet you on principle to make the game feel less shitty. [...] This current energy I don't want as it's such an energy sap and spoon killer.

majorly agree with this and its a small part of why i was focusing on myself and real life tasks yday. but dont think GB is the only one at fault
but who am i to say

[hellbooks]

I wonder if anyone is reading the flavour on these votecounts? I could put anything here and possibly get away with it. I just have to say the word garlic bread a few times so it doesn't stand out. Then again, garlic bread is so good, I'm not sure why I would want to talk about something else. I understand why you guys want to steal it so badly.

im reading it
oh no i fell for the honeypot again
i thought it was funny you had one early vc that was like "The conspirators began to suspect that there were imposters among them" and it was like the 4th votecount and i liked the idea that we were like "idk i think everyone is town in this game" up until that point. i thought about responding to that VC by saying something like "well personally i dont think there are any imposters here. i trust my friends"

posts like "are you taunting us?" type way.

are you sure you guys dont want to lim me... i just want everyone to get along...

btw this is a honeypot too

[hellbooks]

I think this vote is genius. It allows me to size up the alt after it posted a big wall of a post. They also voted me earlier and declared me to be PoE so surely I thought that the vote is very likely to get a reaction.

quoting your own vote and being like "oh my god my vote was so freaking good here" is ﬩town

I am a yugioh player so I am illiterate, but ya I did want to know what you would try to sell me.

idk about yugioh but i thought it was supposed to be one of the most text dense activities

idk what the deal with garly and ali going from friends to enemies to friends and coming out of it with a renewed "lets go back to limming sheep" purpose but it feels like theres some shadowy cabal work going on somewhere. or maybe theyre just town who have been doing Dialectics

[hellbooks]

shea can be like "well i think youre lying about your feelings" and that is absolutely his right, but theres not really much i can say to prove that i felt a certain way so i just settled on voting him in an act of self love and self advocacy

explained here
i felt negatively about sheas thing so i channeled and let go of that feeling into a vote, in the absence of much better options

[hellbooks]

this games not fun anymore : (
im kind of interesting in voting vp baltar
sheep haters, if sheep flips town whats the play

[hellbooks]

baltar how come you've basically said nothing about be all game

why would he, you two have the mental hood

[hellbooks]

actually what about this gameplan, d1 garlic, d2 shea, d3 offer a draw

[hellbooks]

the absolute ideal scenario is d1 sheep flips scum, d2 me

[hellbooks]

My feeling is that baltar and sheep are of different alignment, the "i think this guy is town but i guess i'll vote him anyway, for the sake of the information" makes me think that way

[hellbooks]

i guess i think hes town but id vote him anyway for the sake of the information

[hellbooks]

after 3 minutes of furious self reflection it turns out that i just really dont want to do that right now

[hellbooks]

ok after typing out a bunch of bullcrap and deleting it id just like to settle on "can you just ask me tomorrow about it" im procrastinating rn

[hellbooks]

we have 2 days i thought?

[hellbooks]

im wondering if i'm just fundamentally uncomfortable with being on wagons at a baseline. i think you could probably go back and track the amount of times im on a limming wagon and it would turn out that its below average. that would probably be a bad trait to have as a mafia player. ok how about as soon as someone other than you or garlic or baltar tells me to vote sheep i will do it

[hellbooks]

now im getting the sense that im just causing more trouble for everyone
ugh but it would look so weird and bad if i just join right now after being so obstinate and annoying about it
like what if sheep flips town and everyone is like did you see the nasty way hellbooks waffled about it before voting

[hellbooks]

man page 51 is really just the worst

[hellbooks]

Do you still think sheep is town from the posting that made you paranoid
Just out of curiosity

[hellbooks]

do you promise youre town.... am i allowed to ask something like that....

[hellbooks]

i think you made like dozens of town posts and then all of a sudden you having the paranoia about sheep but then being suddenly reconvinced by garlic bread feels worrying to me

[hellbooks]

Im not sure why i in particular am being sold so hard on voting sheep at this particular moment surely there are more willing and trigger happy collaborators, as well as ample time to recruit them. Is the reason you want me in particular to vote sheep information-gathering in nature

[hellbooks]

i just want to make sure that this is clear but i am in fact reading everything

[hellbooks]

I would literally be so insanely happy if sheep flipped red and you limmed me d2

[hellbooks]

I dont think logical things are always correct

Im gonna leave for a few hours bc being in a world where its just me sitting in a chair while garlic and alisae and shea dance in a circle around me whispering in my ear about what to think and what to do genuinely feels like im in the twilight zone

[hellbooks]

fuck it lets just go to night
VOTE: sheep

[hellbooks]

I claim doctor btw

[hellbooks]

Alisae can you give me the quick summary on garly's posts from now on? I have put them on foed list

[hellbooks]

Alisae can you give me the quick summary on garly's posts from now on? I have put them on foed list

foe doesnt work in mafia games.. nice try

This was a reference to when you pretended to do this in a game and I messaged you later and asked "wait how did you do that is there an extension that puts people on foe" and you were like "no i just made it in mspaint" or whatever

[hellbooks]

i feel like i'm incapable of bringing a red flip. like sheep could be red right now and i'd hammer and the electrons would rearrange and sheep would flip green because the universe likes to taunt me

First normal and good post in 5+ pages

[hellbooks]

Alisae literally has to be town
If alisae got a red role PM then catch me rearranging electrons

[hellbooks]

Imagine how dope it would be if i was actually doctor and scum didnt even kill me though theyd be so embarrassed lmaoooooo

[hellbooks]

Garlic Bread

: i'm going to do this bad thing but its okay because its for the good of the game

xofelf

: games don't exist in a vacuum and emotionally manipulating people is in fact not okay, reflect upon the philosophy that you have that allows you to justify this kind of behavior

Garlic Bread

: what xofelf is doing is not okay because it goes against the good of the game

did i understand this correctly

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you don't need to resort to that level of emotional manipulation for fucking forum game on the internet there is no actual prize for winning

ok well when you decide that winning the game actually matters let the others know

eye.....

[hellbooks]

I'm very sorry xof and your frustration is valid

[hellbooks]

this is the wildest podcast episode ever am i right
(people who read flavor will understand)

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DOCTOR ZONE

hellbooks

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tris, xofelf
alisae // skygazer <- they are in two separate tiers that are roughly at the same height
sheep
baltar
thestatus quo
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[hellbooks]

sheep flips town -> we lim bread -> ??? lose in elo to baltris mental neighborhood scumteam
sheep flips scum -> we lim me -> acceptable, although doctorless, outcome

[hellbooks]

the thing is if i was town i would have self hammered already lol
i mean sheep you are absolutely free to live your truth, but thats what i woulda did

[hellbooks]

PLEASE GOD dont ask me
jesus

[hellbooks]

you have my agonized and reluctant blessing to do so

[hellbooks]

UNVOTE:
alright e very one pay up.... i ain't workin for free

[hellbooks]

VOTE: sheep
just kiddin around : )

[hellbooks]

I was mafia

[hellbooks]

oh fuck
well i wasnt kidding

[hellbooks]

I was mafia

literally gave me a jumpscare bc for a few seconds i forgot the game wasnt actually over

[hellbooks]

bro imagine if you could schedule-send posts
the potential for shitposting would go off the roof

[hellbooks]

bro i bet sheeps gonna get limmed at the end of today trust me i can see the future

[

Scheduled by hellbooks on June 4, 2023, to send on June 11, 2023

]

[hellbooks]

i'll doc you dw hon

[hellbooks]

Don't doc me. Mafia give me sweet release

alright.... pay up... i don't neglect my work for free

[hellbooks]

VOTE: garic bread
I docced tris

[hellbooks]

anyway see you tmrw to lose in elo

[hellbooks]

sorry to keep ya in the game lil t : (

[hellbooks]

sheep flips town -> we lim bread -> ??? lose in elo to baltris mental neighborhood scumteam

Coming around to believing that this is real

[hellbooks]

nah if it was baltris then i think tris would make the kill

[hellbooks]

Uh sorry to disappoint you baltar but i am literally lying about being doc

[hellbooks]

Although i did send suki a pm protecting tris for fun

[hellbooks]

lmao if its baltar/hellbooks

Isnt it always...

[hellbooks]

Ill protect skyg

[hellbooks]

as much as i wanted to keep the charade going for fun and now that people seemed to actually believe it to an extent, i thought it was pretty clear that i was joking about being doctor given that i claimed it D1 apropos of nothing after a lot of bellyaching about wanting to get nightkilled. and i assumed that people would continue to take it as mostly a joke but also maybe ambiguously enough to give the scum a bit of a headache but probably not

[hellbooks]

but veeps trying to convince me that im actually a doctor is an incredibly incredibly fun genre of posting and i think he should keep doing that especially if hes scum

hellbooks: im doctor
vp baltar: see brooks is a doctor so its not necessarily a guilty on me
hellbooks: i was lying about being doctor
vp baltar: no you werent. you're a doctor

so good man
if we were partners they should make a scummy for best theater bc com on you couldnt script that stuff if you tried. no i mean literally though. bc the writers are striking is what i mean.

[hellbooks]

hm.... maybe i AM doctor.... shouldnt have deleted my role pm right after reading it.... oh man.... what if im doctor and i misremembered.....

[hellbooks]

but pagliacci, i AM doctor

[hellbooks]

shes back. she is so back. god i am so good at posting. unadulterated page 1 hellbooks turbo joke mode

[hellbooks]

I'd hammer my bestie veeps but given that garly went back on the self voting word i think someone's gotta keep up the mantle

[hellbooks]

not to increase baltbooks' already sky-high partner equity but there is a very real chance (from a pure mechanical standpoint -- oh stop booing!) that tris was the NK. in fact i think it was the most likely NK. and it just hit her vest

[hellbooks]

in addition to being a shitty honeypot this was also somewhat of an experiment to see if i could just drop a claim in a wall of text no one would read/trying to determine what the threshold of "too long to have people read it" was.

or you could just drop a naked claim with no accompanying text and have people be unsure about whether or not it's real anyway

[hellbooks]

Man, y'all have been fucking busy since day start. I need more caffiene to follow literally any of this.

Trust me there's some good stuff in there I mean the pagliacci callback is stuff that writers could only dream up of and i would like to ask you all to please clap

[hellbooks]

i bet that at some point around this time someone's going to get the p.69 pagetop, and whoever it was has to eat a spoonful of mustard. it's in the rules.

[

Scheduled by hellbooks on June 5, 2023, to send on June 13, 2023

]

additional rider provision to make this post game-relevant:
baltar is alisae still your no.1 scumread or has that become garlic

[hellbooks]

having to post after being stripped of the goon title is really my own personal hell
and yet, time and time again i make the sacrifice
the things i do for this family...

[hellbooks]

i think that titles are currently unchangeable as part of a forum upgrade bug but i have official approval from the higher ups for permanent goonhood as soon as that gets fixed

[hellbooks]

ali does kinda make a good amount of sense since given the lack of follow through on balts' pivot to garlic

i do think baltris is unlikely, despite my epic Mental Neighborhood Theory
theres really not a lot of reason to disbelieve the tris claim
also again i think tris would have made the kill in this case
honestly i think its exceptionally possible that balts didnt make the kill but his partner hit the tris vest and balts reaction was angy bc of the unlucky faux-guilty

idk about xof and shea's respective balts equities i will leave it as an exercise for the reader

happy birthday ausuka : )

[hellbooks]

ok but imagine if baltar and i were partners
day 2 would literally be so incredible from us

[hellbooks]

ok but imagine if baltar and i were partners
day 2 would literally be so incredible from us

pov baltar's partner is trying to convince you they're not partners with baltar

[hellbooks]

i wish i was scum partners with baltar
i'd be in a losing situation but at least i would have been scum partners with baltar
its better to have been scum partners with baltar and lost than never have been scum partners with baltar at all

[hellbooks]

you mean tris is scum bp and also played a godly d1 game and got universally townread by everyone but also told vp baltar to make the kill? yea its surely not impossible, using the strict definition of the word. like maybe tris was worried about being jk'd in the protective sense.

[hellbooks]

I was literally thinking "oh i could post but i like how we all decided to have a day of rest"

[hellbooks]

id probs vote shea, ali as 2nd choice but happy to do the reverse

[hellbooks]

I think its slightly town for tris and ali to want to keep me in the limpool, i think my position is ripe for town to be paranoid about, i can imagine other people being extremely reluctant to be in a position where they lose due to believing judicious amount of baltbooks theater

[hellbooks]

Hellbooks eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh I can see them being a villager.
Would I want to lose that eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeh idunno

Like i can see this being someone who would be pissed at having townread AtE or whatever

[hellbooks]

maybe people have been pointing out "well garlic isnt 100% clear" for that reason too idk
like ive definitely been a little reluctant to verbally locktown garly even tho they basically never get limmed for the remainder of this game bc i want that implicit insurance against like "i fell for toxicity strats hook line and sinker" in postgame

[hellbooks]

My scum buddy is VPB so don't come after either of us.

lmao

damn based on this, if shea was informed on balta then i was HELLA informed

[hellbooks]

Ok so how about we just not worry too hard about the result of this game and try to have a reasonably chill time until its over

[hellbooks]

heres the plan. enchant, you take the even pages. merlyn, you take the odd pages. come back and teach each other what you learned. watch out for the mustard!!! then ignore everything you read and just start blasting!!!

[hellbooks]

ok but remember when vp baltar doubleposted on page 10 that was soooo funny omg

[hellbooks]

regretting your vote goes against the principle of random blasting

[hellbooks]

Banana bread

Got good news for you merly

[hellbooks]

like for all of 5 minutes

[hellbooks]

but there was a guilty so, you know

[hellbooks]

knew i shouldnt have said freaking banana bread

[hellbooks]

I rly dont yet know why shea is town or unpaired with baltar tbh
And alisae and i both thought he was scummy to some extent
So idk why hes widely townread

[hellbooks]

VOTE: dunnsttal

[hellbooks]

just still have him in my poe pool rly, and dont fully know what the arguments are for him being town. I thought he was scummy at some point during d1 and havent had much idea about anything past that point

[hellbooks]

just still have him in my poe pool rly, and dont fully know what the arguments are for him being town. I thought he was scummy at some point during d1 and havent had much idea about anything past that point

I feel like this is a pretty noncommittal answer

I will bet my life on shea being scum. every word, every freaking character he has pressed submit on is the most scummy content imaginable. Its as if shea personally and lovingly handcrafted each post with the sole intention of being as scummy as possible. and you could not invent a scummier character even in fiction. If shea is not scum i will personally report ausuka for role pm fraud, quit mafia forever, and donate 7 million dollars to a charity of your choice

[hellbooks]

And i'll also self vote for 5 minutes on day 4

[hellbooks]

I think they think something about the doctor fakeclaim interaction on d2 makes it impossible that vp baltar is my partnar

[hellbooks]

I think limming me is a good move if you wanna keep the suspense up in ELO for the viewers :>

[hellbooks]

i was thibking that baltar kind of dropping the agenda of pushing alisae on d2 made it seem more like a bus, but now that i think about it if id been baltar and my fate was sealed id have pushed alisae even harder to really cement the bus but idk

[hellbooks]

Maybe he was just full survival mode at that point

[hellbooks]

one thing ali said that struck me was when they said "i would be okay with losing the game to scumtris or scumxof"

[hellbooks]

Maybe he was just full survival mode at that point

pls try to self clear yourself and make the game easier bc like I think baltar basically spewed you town d2 and got pranked hard by your slot and yeah lol

Xof slot is my blind spot but I'm just gonna assume we lose in that world atp

Oh yea no prob i didnt realize you wanted me to do that

activate: ic

thanks for the heads up, lets get this bread

[hellbooks]

one thing ali said that struck me was when they said "i would be okay with losing the game to scumtris or scumxof"

Wouldn't you? They're nice people

Yea thats why it struck me

[hellbooks]

A lot of people do and also i like it

[hellbooks]

a question for you, what's making you stick on the Dunn wagon over Shea? We've talked about how you have some doubts with Shea, so what makes the Dunn lim a better idea to you?

ehmmmm yea idk
im only now reevaluating my current opinion of the baltar and ali interaction and reevaluation happens pretty slowly when im on a phone
also i guess i dont rly feel like voting shea when hes not here. my opinion about ultimately not rly caring what order theyre in still stands

[hellbooks]

think about all of the memories we've made.... lets make a promise.... ten years from now, let's all meet under this very same tree, under the same sky.... reminisce on the time we spent together

[hellbooks]

merlyn please help me

[hellbooks]

shea i have several questions

- what was your thought process about me when you saw the vanilla result
- why do you think xof didnt use the strongman on n1
- what do you think about bp+jk+rc<->sm as a setup

[hellbooks]

merlyn please help me

All we wanted was delicious carby garlicky goodness , was that so wrong?

you dont understand... 7 million dollars rests in the balance of this game
for both you and me

[hellbooks]

Fwiw and i know this is wifom as soon as I say it but I don't think i would try to engineer a 1v1 here if i were scum.

I think i would probably try to maneuver the day into hellbooks v enchant and try to work with merlyns town read of me yesterday to be in more of an arbiter role. I think there's a good chance that would work.

Forcing a 1v1 here takes away a lot of my agency as scum and i usually try to avoid doing that.

yeah i was thinking that too like just seems like clearing me is a bad move if scum but i guess it really depends on the confidence you have to win the 1v1 which is i guess unverifiable

[hellbooks]

My thought process is that the vanilla result is kind of useless for you. I never really believed your doctor shenanigans (nor did I think you were doing that with the intent of being believed.) It didn't change how I was approaching your slot at all.

at some point it felt like you just completely stopped hating me though
was that something unrelated to the result
i guess its hard to really say since we had that pseudoguilty on d2 and you had vivormeet on d3

[hellbooks]

i dont like being clear.... i thrive on suspicion

[hellbooks]

ok i just had such a horrible idea for how im going to ruin the next game i play in

[hellbooks]

id like to confer with my bestie merlyn before making the plunge but i think id like to simply vote enchante and make a dignified exit from this game

[hellbooks]

voting enchante means that we either lose the game or i have to venmo merlyn 7 million dollars
truly a win win scenario...

[hellbooks]

what makes you think i have 14 million dollars just lying around

[hellbooks]

ok how about this

Spoiler: option 1

goat

Spoiler: option 2

goat

Spoiler: option 3

7 million dollars

behind one of these spoilers is 7 million dollars. the other two contain goats.
please choose one of these options without opening it. then i will open one of the other options that contains a goat