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can u talk a bit more about this I dont see itIn post 258, Roden wrote: I'm really liking Don's recent posts, especially 254.-
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Thoughts in order on a quick buzz-through:
I don't like how Merlyn skirted over someone going to E-1 here.In post 41, Merlyn wrote:
I feel like when someone places a vote for real, we're out of rvs, yes?In post 36, Thestatusquo wrote: We're not out of Rvs.
I kinda vibe with Shea's #57. It would, in fact, have been very funny. And informative.
Datisi's #59 disregards by omission the possibility of hitting scum or SK with a powerlim on Sheep.In post 59, Datisi wrote:
we lose a full day, then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny and then we lose TWO days and noIn post 57, Thestatusquo wrote: If someone lol hammers it would probably be way more informative than what usually happens on page 2 of a game and would also be very funny.
i'm not mad i've gotten used to everyone always wanting to power yeet me
Datisi/Sheep team? It's Datisi's moving of their vote that hopped us off of E-1, but then went for Merlyn over Shea. Why was this?
Didn't really vibe with Appearence's first few posts, but the retraction in #100 mitigates that I think?
Not sure how I feel about Sheep & Shea's hopping onto it there but we move. #102 at first glance feels like a good post but feels a bit too obvious of a thing to jump on?
Not sure where the townreads of Roden come from just after this
Sheep makes a really good point in #133 - and it's something that I've kind of been thinking as I go through as well. Merlyn is like 10 posts deep at this point, but isn't saying much at all. #136 against Appearance doesn't really include any real reason to scumread them.
Fire spells it out for me in #140: 'the general wagon kinda feels like a jumping on a slight awkwardness of phrasing things that imo is nai'
I do understand why Merlyn may be aggrieved and the reaction feels more genuine than forced. As misplaced as the accusation of making it up may be and the whole modnote thing too - it does feel like genuine frustration.
#170 speaks to me. Shea's my top townread as of this point.
#205 I agree with my slot (Hi Black!). Datisi, on a re-read is the most constant person that I've scumread the whole way through.
VOTE: Datisi
#254 This is the first real argument against Appearance that has really spoken to me. Good post imo.
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Shea- Vibes, feels scumhunty and has the willingness and energy to drive content and arguments.
Don- Felt like a bit of driftwood up until the argument on Appearance, which did have a bit of an effect on me. More town than Roden, less town than Shea for me.
Roden- Weird one this, I get the sense that they aren't adding a whole amount. I've just read the game, right - and I can't recall one post, just a general unease with the slot.
Fire- Feels a bit happy to townread folks on a whim, and the arguments so far don't really have any sway on me or my thoughts so far.
Sheep- I don't think they came off as well as they could have done earlier in the game.
Appearance- Another odd one - I get the sense that Appearance is playing for friends than playing to find scum? I agree with Don's argument and it'd be a flip of a coin to see them drop below Merlyn. Of all the slots I think this one is most likely to be the SK.
Merlyn- I think the page 2 avoidance of addressing the E-1, combined with what has felt like at times some quite drifty/actively lurky gameplay plus the arguably bad-faith argument with Appearance maybe felt just a bit too much off the mark. It seemed genuine when I read it but on reflection (and I won't edit the above, so as to show my thought process), the whole exchange felt a bit confrontational as opposed to genuine belief that Appearance was scum.
Datisi- Most consistent scumread. I've not felt that Datisi's contributions lead much in the way towards scumhunting - I feel like the intent just isn't there and I'm keen to see this slot go today.
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Echoing this to an extent. I do see it, but I would like to see what you're liking in 254, and if it adjusts your thought process.In post 276, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
can u talk a bit more about this I dont see itIn post 258, Roden wrote: I'm really liking Don's recent posts, especially 254.Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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what? i specifically said in the post that i don't think it's be a good move even if we hit scum with a quick yeet thereIn post 277, Deltabreedy wrote: Datisi's #59 disregards by omission the possibility of hitting scum or SK with a powerlim on Sheep.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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what is this question asking?In post 277, Deltabreedy wrote: Datisi/Sheep team? It's Datisi's moving of their vote that hopped us off of E-1, but then went for Merlyn over Shea.Why was this?I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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No, you didn't.In post 59, Full Post wrote: *Snip*
we lose a full day, then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny and then we lose TWO days and no
*Snip*
You said we lose a full day today, then everything after that point refers to the D2 lim. I've highlighted it below:
No mention of scumhood here
And then
You completely disregarded the possibility of the lim hitting scum by virtue of saying that 2 days would be wasted which struck me as scummy.In post 59, Reference to D2 Lim wrote: *Snip*
then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funnyand then we lose TWO daysand no
*Snip*
Suggesting by omission that they aren't scum suggested to me a level of knowledge about the game. Can't be an SK with that level of knowledge about the game so has to be scum IMO.Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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Why did you go for Merlyn over Shea?In post 280, Datisi wrote:
what is this question asking?In post 277, Deltabreedy wrote: Datisi/Sheep team? It's Datisi's moving of their vote that hopped us off of E-1, but then went for Merlyn over Shea.Why was this?Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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oh, i see what you mean now. i was responding to shea's 57 there, which says thatIn post 281, Deltabreedy wrote:
No, you didn't.In post 59, Full Post wrote: *Snip*
we lose a full day, then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funny and then we lose TWO days and no
*Snip*
You said we lose a full day today, then everything after that point refers to the D2 lim. I've highlighted it below:
No mention of scumhood here
And then
You completely disregarded the possibility of the lim hitting scum by virtue of saying that 2 days would be wasted which struck me as scummy.In post 59, Reference to D2 Lim wrote: *Snip*
then tomorrow we yeet that person and either they're scum (which like, meh) or it's a townie who wanted to be funnyand then we lose TWO daysand no
*Snip*
Suggesting by omission that they aren't scum suggested to me a level of knowledge about the game. Can't be an SK with that level of knowledge about the game so has to be scum IMO.
it would be informative - i figured the assumption was made that the person getting lolhammered would flip green (because if they were red, then any sort of information about the lolhammerer kind of pales in comparison to actually having a red flip), and the "it would be informative" surely wasn't talking about the person potentially getting hammered because we'd know their alignment soon enoughIn post 57, Thestatusquo wrote: If someone lol hammers it would probably be way more informative than what usually happens on page 2 of a game
also, i've never seen scum getting lolhammered on page 2, but i have seen town getting lolhammered on page two. so i would be making the assumption that, if anyone does get hammered on page 2, it's going to be a townieI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗI will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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Don was a bit of a non-entity until that string of posts, but it didn't feel like a "oh shit I need to start posting content before I get called out on it" moment to me. I feel like they were just hanging back a bit until a few things came up they could hone in on. I generally agree with their takes, and 254 specifically was very well-worded and explained things that were sitting in my brain that I couldn't quite organize into words and hadn't seen anyone else post either.In post 276, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
can u talk a bit more about this I dont see itIn post 258, Roden wrote: I'm really liking Don's recent posts, especially 254.-
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In post 282, Deltabreedy wrote:
Why did you go for Merlyn over Shea?In post 280, Datisi wrote:
what is this question asking?In post 277, Deltabreedy wrote: Datisi/Sheep team? It's Datisi's moving of their vote that hopped us off of E-1, but then went for Merlyn over Shea.Why was this?
explained in 108
(if your next question is "but why did you not vote for shea, the answer is whatever shea had done up to that point i found less scummy than the vibes i had on merlyn)I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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This is a non-sequitur - you would know whether or not it would flip scum which is the key distinction.In post 284, Datisi wrote: and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Would it flip town? Maybe. Would it flip SK? Maybe. But the thing that you avoided was that chance of it flipping scum, that's where the omission occurs and that's why I think its scummy.Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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While you're here, weigh in on Datisi?In post 285, Roden wrote:
Don was a bit of a non-entity until that string of posts, but it didn't feel like a "oh shit I need to start posting content before I get called out on it" moment to me. I feel like they were just hanging back a bit until a few things came up they could hone in on. I generally agree with their takes, and 254 specifically was very well-worded and explained things that were sitting in my brain that I couldn't quite organize into words and hadn't seen anyone else post either.In post 276, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
can u talk a bit more about this I dont see itIn post 258, Roden wrote: I'm really liking Don's recent posts, especially 254.Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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i know it's a non-sequitur, i'm poking fun at your 277, which claimed:In post 287, Deltabreedy wrote:
This is a non-sequitur - you would know whether or not it would flip scum which is the key distinction.In post 284, Datisi wrote: and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Would it flip town? Maybe. Would it flip SK? Maybe. But the thing that you avoided was that chance of it flipping scum, that's where the omission occurs and that's why I think its scummy.
"Datisi's #59 disregards by omission the possibility of hitting scum or SK with a powerlim on Sheep."
which implies that i am informed in two ways, which. you know. you get why it's false.
then, when i say "scum" i'm generally referring to any non-town. with 284 being an exception because i was responding to you there.
finally, omission: yes, i was assuming a quickhammer wouldn't flip scum. this is because (1) the conversation was going in that direction, (2) i have never seen a p2 quickhammer flip not-town.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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Delta feels fine, their entrance and catch up posts lean a bit on the townier side for me. I do find it kinda funny that they don't think much of my posts even though we both landed at a very specific conclusion (Appearance being the SK).
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Why does this make Shea town? Every alignment is incentivized to scum hunt in this set up. And Shea himself admitted that his playstyle is all about high activity and constantly driving content.In post 277, Deltabreedy wrote:
Shea- Vibes, feels scumhunty and has the willingness and energy to drive content and arguments.
In post 63, Thestatusquo wrote: The actual fact is that I'm in a huge game right now and i entered both this game and last one trying to play not to my normal hyper style because I'm kind of exhausted but i failed in that game and it kind of already feels like I'm failing in this one.
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I'm honestly unconvinced by this.In post 289, Datisi wrote:
i know it's a non-sequitur, i'm poking fun at your 277, which claimed:In post 287, Deltabreedy wrote:
This is a non-sequitur - you would know whether or not it would flip scum which is the key distinction.In post 284, Datisi wrote: and, technically speaking: even if i were scum, i still cannot have the level of knowledge to know whether the quickhammer on day 1 is going to flip town or not, so ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ
Would it flip town? Maybe. Would it flip SK? Maybe. But the thing that you avoided was that chance of it flipping scum, that's where the omission occurs and that's why I think its scummy.
"Datisi's #59 disregards by omission the possibility of hitting scum or SK with a powerlim on Sheep."
which implies that i am informed in two ways, which. you know. you get why it's false.
then, when i say "scum" i'm generally referring to any non-town. with 284 being an exception because i was responding to you there.
finally, omission: yes, i was assuming a quickhammer wouldn't flip scum. this is because (1) the conversation was going in that direction, (2) i have never seen a p2 quickhammer flip not-town.
@Roden: True, but as I say, from vibes I feel that they're townie. Playstyle, sure but vibes tell me they're town.
Who is your top townread?Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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do you have any other reasons to scumread me or is the bulk of your case really "wow guys datisi scumslipped!!!"In post 291, Deltabreedy wrote: I'm honestly unconvinced by this.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M-
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I mean I can put a full-on case together on you but at present it's a central pillar yeah.
Nothing you've said is really convincing me that I need more to be honest.Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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I also asked you to comment on Datisi.In post 290, Roden wrote: Delta feels fine, their entrance and catch up posts lean a bit on the townier side for me. I do find it kinda funny that they don't think much of my posts even though we both landed at a very specific conclusion (Appearance being the SK).
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Why does this make Shea town? Every alignment is incentivized to scum hunt in this set up. And Shea himself admitted that his playstyle is all about high activity and constantly driving content.In post 277, Deltabreedy wrote:
Shea- Vibes, feels scumhunty and has the willingness and energy to drive content and arguments.
In post 63, Thestatusquo wrote: The actual fact is that I'm in a huge game right now and i entered both this game and last one trying to play not to my normal hyper style because I'm kind of exhausted but i failed in that game and it kind of already feels like I'm failing in this one.
I'm just sweaty always and i guess i should kind of just embrace that.
Could you oblige please?Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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I get the sense that you're trying to deflect the accusation of scumslipping through a series of 'gotcha' moments, rather than explaining why I should be voting elsewhere.
Why does it have you rattled that I voted you? I'm alone on your wagon.Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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Datisi isn't on my radar atm. We share similar reads and I don't think he's done anything that's particularly scummy, and I don't really think he perspective slipped earlier either.In post 288, Deltabreedy wrote:
While you're here, weigh in on Datisi?In post 285, Roden wrote:
Don was a bit of a non-entity until that string of posts, but it didn't feel like a "oh shit I need to start posting content before I get called out on it" moment to me. I feel like they were just hanging back a bit until a few things came up they could hone in on. I generally agree with their takes, and 254 specifically was very well-worded and explained things that were sitting in my brain that I couldn't quite organize into words and hadn't seen anyone else post either.In post 276, sheepsaysmeep wrote:
can u talk a bit more about this I dont see itIn post 258, Roden wrote: I'm really liking Don's recent posts, especially 254.
When it comes to Datisi though I always have a gut feeling about his alignment. I honestly couldn't tell you why this is or how it works, but it hasn't been wrong so far. When he's scum, I get that feeling even when I have zero proof, and I'll hesitate. It'll frustrate me to the point that it breaks down the way I'm communicating with everyone in the game. When he's town though I'm just chill and my brain feels focused.
That said...I think this game will be trickier due to the set up and how the wolves can project a genuinely townie mind set by hunting the opposing bad guy(s). My gut says that Datisi is town, but I'll see in the post game how accurate that is.-
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Can you quantify that for me?
It was a lot of waffle to get down to... You haven't sorted him yet.
Are they a townlean then?Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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Not quantify, but just say what you mean kind of thing.Refer to me as 'Delta' or 'Tom'. Cheers! |'Black, if you're scum, I'll eat my shoe.'Never forget
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i am trying to explain why you should be voting elsewhere, mainly by explaining why your read is bad, which you called "unconvincing".In post 295, Deltabreedy wrote: I get the sense that you're trying to deflect the accusation of scumslipping through a series of 'gotcha' moments, rather than explaining why I should be voting elsewhere.
Why does it have you rattled that I voted you? I'm alone on your wagon.
it "rattles" me when i'm voted for reasons that are very clearly false in my mind. and in the meantime, i'm also trying to see your thought process behind it.I will straight up disregard all reason if you have a PR dream again. You can come back and be like, “I dreamt that Locke is a N2 Bulletproof Multitasking Cop and Self-Targeting Doctor,” and I will go, “Okay, Locke kill it is then.”~M
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