Open 878: Scarfolk Council | The End

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VOTE: Doctor Drew
no fun allowed

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Also, I didn't even know Menal was in this game!

Excitement level just went up.

I voted redFF because I was mafia.

I do

not

townread Alianna*

*anymore and/or ever again

He's going to scumread me lol.

VOTE: Doctor Drew

But I like cats.

Oh, all right

VOTE: Alianna

This is the type of attitude Allyuna could learn from.

My vote is going nowhere. :lol:

gut pingss
VOTE: Alianna

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don't eat wagons. You'll get mouth splinters. My great aunt died of mouth splinters

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I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

What's this in response to?

Forgot to quote, this was in response to 50. Kind of assumed the reasoning based on what everyone had posted. Was it something else?

what posts led you to make that assumption?

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^ yeah and who also stated I was townie

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oh like the exact same specific thought

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I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

What's this in response to?

Forgot to quote, this was in response to 50. Kind of assumed the reasoning based on what everyone had posted. Was it something else?

what posts led you to make that assumption?

The fact that at the time, you and sheep were the only two players to have stated serious reads.

I don't think it was correct to make this assumption but I think it's actually kinda townie. Like Alianna was reasoning through why one would townlean me and Sheep.

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If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

how do you distinguish this from town solving?

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If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

how do you distinguish this from town solving?

cause it's less than 100 posts in and implosion is trying like super hard, it just screams sk to me

how is expressing two light townreads with small reasons trying too hard? That's to be expected in the first hundred posts lol

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UNVOTE:
is it actually e-1? I counted e-2 but I'm bad at counting. I'd like to get a vc soon lol

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now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

I disappear cuz I was in school fdlgjdkjghsdfklhgfd (last day ever btw!)

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now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

I disappear cuz I was in school fdlgjdkjghsdfklhgfd (last day ever btw!)

what's with the SHADE anyway? I already decided not to respond to 87 (which was the last post I saw before I went to school) cuz you essentially said that we should agree to disagree (I accept no such charter! But I could see that it wasn't likely to have gone anywhere)

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Alianna is likely scum

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

also like, alianna isn't even talking?? how did you catch alianna?

why did you change your tune here? 73 and 75 were posted 61 seconds apart.

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Andante's posts are kind of baffling here lol. I don't like her interaction with Skitter cuz she seems to be overreacting from the pressure and taking really weird angles of defense like shading me for a weird reason and like, seemingly saying Skitter's reads are bad cuz both me and Andante are playing the social deduction game Mafia also known as Werewolf created by Dimitry Davidoff in 1986 but she TRs me and SRs her. Also her response to Menalque voting Aliana is weird. A lot of the other posts I have no idea like her interaction with Sheep. I started this post intending to talk about being confused but the more I think about it the more I just find this slot scummy VOTE: Andante

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now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

I disappear cuz I was in school fdlgjdkjghsdfklhgfd (last day ever btw!)

Congrats!

ty!!

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I feel like he's~ ~present and thinking abt the game

so that makes invis town? yet I'm present and thinking about the game, but you think I'm scum?

like I don't like this post. It's so weird

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Aisa maybe town

This is sort of an interesting pop-in. Have you looked at the other pages since your previous post and don't have much to say on them, or have you not looked at them yet, or comical third option?

Ive read them but there wasn't much that I thought was worth commenting on

I find that surprising

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Spoiler:

now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

I disappear cuz I was in school fdlgjdkjghsdfklhgfd (last day ever btw!)

what's with the SHADE anyway? I already decided not to respond to 87 (which was the last post I saw before I went to school) cuz you essentially said that we should agree to disagree (I accept no such charter! But I could see that it wasn't likely to have gone anywhere)

Alianna is likely scum

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

also like, alianna isn't even talking?? how did you catch alianna?

why did you change your tune here? 73 and 75 were posted 61 seconds apart.

Andante's posts are kind of baffling here lol. I don't like her interaction with Skitter cuz she seems to be overreacting from the pressure and taking really weird angles of defense like shading me for a weird reason and like, seemingly saying Skitter's reads are bad cuz both me and Andante are playing the social deduction game Mafia also known as Werewolf created by Dimitry Davidoff in 1986 but she TRs me and SRs her. Also her response to Menalque voting Aliana is weird. A lot of the other posts I have no idea like her interaction with Sheep. I started this post intending to talk about being confused but the more I think about it the more I just find this slot scummy VOTE: Andante

I think this is a towny progression

Something andante said initially caught invisibility's eye and made her go back and read andante's iso, and 144 is a good observation

invisibility and I have never played mafia together, so it makes sense I'm where their focus is. however, it's feeling like they're just tunneling me to tunnel, it's kinda annoying

how am I tunneling you

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also I haven't played Mafia with most of this playerlist lol

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Alianna is likely scum

p sure I caught one already VOTE: alianna

always scum

also like, alianna isn't even talking?? how did you catch alianna?

why did you change your tune here? 73 and 75 were posted 61 seconds apart.

nothing changed? I thought that was an e-1 vote, we're not throwing someone on e-1 for 0 reason, and especially not announcing e-1? mena was asking for that to be hammered...

also I forgot that you thought that lol. Still was 91 not questioning Mena's progression?

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what is even scummy about what I've done? I've given reads and said why I think them to be true. then interacted with people I thought were saying things to just look town. skitter is definitely scummy here so idk what you're on about with defending skitter...

again with the defense that you're town because you're… playing Mafia. Are you ontologically town or something

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now back to skitter, invis dissapeared when I started getting real, yet invis has the TR "for being here"???

I disappear cuz I was in school fdlgjdkjghsdfklhgfd (last day ever btw!)

congrats!

thank you!

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I hate invisibility's tunnel on me

this is rather annoying

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Andante do you think I'm scummy

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That is, unless I drag myself into an endless pit of WIFOM over the SK claim.

this post also irks me. Why would you ever do that

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I hate invisibility's tunnel on me

this is rather annoying

having a major internal struggle to not actually wagon Andante cuz of the way she's being LOL

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not actually tunnel*

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Doctor Drew might be scum

Counterpoint, I also might not be.

this changes everything!

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like why would you ever wifom over the silly sk claim lol

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like I know you're probably also getting a little silly with it but it still rubs me the wrong way

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fair I gues. Why are you still voting Doctor Drew?

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I don't really got an opinion on if it's a good vote or not. I'm just wondering about Alianna's reasons

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like I know

you're probably also getting a little silly with it

but it still rubs me the wrong way

Idk,

I like my tinfoil theories.

There's just not much I can say to that.

this feels townie to me. I give Alianna an out that I find partially plausible, but Alianna doesn't go for it even though she knew I'd already somewhat believe it and most likely thought somewhat belief is the best belief she'd get. Seems indicative of real thought process (even if it's thought process that wasn't pursued LOL)

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forgot woo was even in the game.

LOL

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Came in with some brazen stuff and immediately self-declared obv town. The assumption ig is that scum wouldn't engage in any bravado or start questioning TRs on themselves? But that assumption is worth more when it's not Andante just saying "So what I did just now makes me locktown". It comes off as awareness of reads on yourself, and like, feigning confidence in RVS is just super easy to do. She did this after saying Implo is tryharding early.

It's a solid place for a wagon.

I need to reread the thread and try to figure out if I have any town reads based on anything said that early. I think Invis and skitter saw the logic in

not

seeing the logic in Andante's posts, but I'm not sure if there were any more, and I don't have a better yardstick for townie behavior thus far.

I really like this post cuz it's similar to thoughts I was having while Pondering yesterday not all of which I've expressed. Saying that her intention to act foolhardy as a possible attempt to appear town would be easy to fake (220 irks me in this regard since it sounds like she's stating a strategy that isn't coming to fruition LOL) but if you look past the surface there's really nothing is exactly what I was thinking. There's a lot of words and not a whole lot of specific engagement. The latter part is more stuff that people have said something like publicly but I don't think anyone has said anything like the first paragraph so I really like that mindmeld. Also it's just good analysis that goes deeper

while we're on the subject of thought processes

I'm not willing to townlean anyone on the basis of "has reads" but I guess I won't complain about it too much.

this stuff felt slightly wolf to me at surface level.

"I won't complain about it too much" just feels like a wolf perspective in a way that I could see alianna slipping up. either about some correct townreads or wanting to get townread herself for an active start

the idea of town complaining about some page 2 reads just doesnt make sense to me, even if u disagree with the reads. what I would expect town to do is like, evaluate implosion's alignment based on that, which doesn't happen; this post also assumes implosion town in a +0.05% wolf way


idk ive been back and forth on this

I like this post a lot too cuz I was back and forth on that post from Alianna and while I did ultimately decide (and still think) it's town I considered this side of the coin too. Also being similarly unsure lol

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If we have a serial killer, pretty sure it's implosion based on how he's playing, it reads to me as like "hey! tr me!!! look at my effort" and sk not knowing scum team? easy to do this

Interesting take and I lean town on it at the moment. I feel like scum would be hesitant to post something like this for fear of getting called out for focusing on SK.

I like this post. I don't think scum!Alianna would need to defend Andante here unless Andante/Alianna is a thing

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The latter part is more stuff that people have said something like publicly

don't get me wrong though. It still also points to Woo town somewhat cuz it's still a succinct summary of stuff Skitter and I have been saying but like the thought process is slightly different than anything either of us have stated I think

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are you going to eat the thread?

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VOTE: Doctor Drew
seems scared about a couple votes on him lol

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The votes there are all meh for different reasons.

what are these reasons?

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Woo's response to what Sheep and Drew said about him is pretty reasonable and good

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I'm not doing that though. The players in null are not scumleans, they are null.

If you think everybody else is town, by definition you have to think there are several scum in that set of players. They are not null - you think they have a higher than average chance of being scum.

You are describing it as null but above you say you think there are likely scum in that group, and I don't suppose you think there are scum in your town reads, so what would you call that?

I don't know how much this matters

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Ty. <3 Does this include my read on Drew's ISO?

I do think it's kinda strange yeah. Kind of gives me the vibe that Drew tried to attack you on a flimsy foundation and then had to stick to it lol. I don't think you're limbait this game though. Not sure why you think that

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I wasn't trying to get other people to make

make what?

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oh LOL that makes more sense

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not sure how applicable my reasons are to you but I've mindmelded with some stuff he said and also he seems to be making an effort to solve. Changing his mind between 313 and 359 in light of new posts is townie. Not the world's strongest read but those are my reasons. Do you have a reason to think he's scummy?

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I have very mixed feelings on mindmelding but the short of it is I'm not sure it's actually been a >rand tell for me.

I find it useful cuz it's an indicator of having a townie thought process

but you make good points here. We can try this VOTE: Sheep

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While I think that changing your reads can sometimes be towny, I don't think this is the case here. You say that he "changed his mind", but I could equally say that maybe he's "going with the flow". Other players had already said they townleaned Woo because of their recent posting. It's not like sheep had invested a lot of effort into casing him. Why

not

walk back your read as scum here?

specifically this made me reconsider

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happy birthday skitter!

also if this isn't actually a wagon idc UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Andante blblbl

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Aisa I don't really see how Sheep's posting is fragmented. Really going back through his ISO it feels more reasonable and thoughtful now LOL

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how much of that do you still stand by and how much was overthinking

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I can kinda see why you would think this but I also think I can personally see some logic in her posting. There are also things she's said that seem towny to me and I wonder if it's a red flag that you seem to be ignoring those.

I believe I have seen the light. I am overcome with a sudden passion. I want to jump on this bandwagon. I wish to flip this right here and right now. (It's a good thing I can't.)

VOTE: Andante
I am in your clutches no longer you openwolf

what happened to this observation?

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skitter- I don’t understand the tunnel, am I supposed to just tunnel you back, it sounds like you made your mind up from n0 that you were gonna tunnel me this game

what exactly gives you the impression that Skitter is tunneling you? Cuz I'm having trouble seeing it

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am I ignoring this logic too?

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Fellow retail warrior lol.

But, that definitely is a scummy reaction to being put at E-1, they are at E-1 right?

And why not just claim? I know you have to work but there are some crazy convulated roles like GIM or Abloaf in this setup.

This reeks of buying some time.

weird post

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oh that was fast. Hi Enchant

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am I ignoring this logic too?

Is this directed at me? If so I'm not sure what you mean

like am I guilty of ignoring the logic behind Andante's posts that Skitter is also guilty of

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you thought Andante was obvtown? I still don't really understand why you TR'd Andante

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lol how settled do your reads seem now

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VOTE: Doctor Drew this is a good vote for now

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you thought Andante was obvtown? I still don't really understand why you TR'd Andante

In the space of like 5 minutes my brain decided to rewire the reads 180 degrees and went from "skitter is scum for the way she is pushing obvtown Andante" to "skitter is town who saw the light before any of us did".

In this case I am using obvtown is a figure of speech or a shorthand. A more precise but longer way of expressing that thought would have been "skitter is scum for pushing Andante and ignoring the towny elements of her play"

For the Andante read refer to my post talking to skitter earlier. If that doesn't clarify things maybe you could explain which part of it is unclear?

nah I think I get it now

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wait I totally forgot Doctor Drew repped out god VOTE: Andante

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make scum sort me tonight, best case I die right?

yeah ok UNVOTE:

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VOTE: Aisa
I want to see what happens

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I think psychologically it's kind of difficult for someone to write posts that quickly contradict themselves, and it seems like she's seeking to reassure herself of her read by looking at past games

it is?

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idk. I've been in several games in both alignments where I turned on a dime when I realized what I was yammering about sucked lol

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incl the look up past games part

oh yeah that's fair

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yeah ok my main area of concern was their Skitter read since I thought they called her scummy for stuff that they didn't call me but hmmm probably not. Can't see the scum intent there anymore UNVOTE:

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I don't feel like much has changed. I'm gonna give Enchant a shot though.

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why did you just unvote here rather than vote someone else?

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I don't feel like much has changed. I'm gonna give Enchant a shot though.

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nvm this was after the Andante PR claim and I am silly

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just PR lolz

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yeah but we can figure it out tomorrow probs

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Enchant how do you feel about Andante

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like, you know I’m not getting touched here… but “heyyy enchant!! give your thoughts on this person who isn’t getting limmed… might still lim you, but doesn’t matter what you say”

lol I wanted to know if he thought your PR claim reflected anything AI

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invisibility dissapeared after I called out what they were doing… lmao

why do you keep doing this

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like, you know I’m not getting touched here… but “heyyy enchant!! give your thoughts on this person who isn’t getting limmed… might still lim you, but doesn’t matter what you say”

lol I wanted to know if he thought your PR claim reflected anything AI

I think I’ve softed PR in like every single game I’ve played, want me to hardclaim desperado here?

what

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mena seems to be asking questions to just “look busy”

in the last ten minutes maybe but I don't think this counts for much of anything since Mena's been doing actual posts. Like, are you saying he's fluffposting? You have a strange perception of time

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mena seems to be asking questions to just “look busy”

in the last ten minutes maybe but I don't think this counts for much of anything since Mena's been doing actual posts. Like, are you saying he's fluffposting? You have a strange perception of time

like unless you can demonstrate that he's saying stuff in lieu of content your judgment doesn't make a whole lotta sense to me

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I'm finding it very hard

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do people actually tr invisibility? or like if I was a hypothetical vig… would people be mad if I shot invis tonight?

where did this confidence come from

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Enchant's slot has been scummy but I'm not totally convinced and only like one person being really against the lim makes me feel nervous

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do people actually tr invisibility? or like if I was a hypothetical vig… would people be mad if I shot invis tonight?

I'm on the fence about it

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Enchant's slot has been scummy but I'm not totally convinced and only like one person being really against the lim makes me feel nervous

I don't think scum's inclination in this gamestate to the pressure on Enchant-scumbuddy would be to defend in particular.

yeah you're right VOTE: Enchant

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Enchant's slot has been scummy but I'm not totally convinced and only like one person being really against the lim makes me feel nervous

I don't think scum's inclination in this gamestate to the pressure on Enchant-scumbuddy would be to defend in particular.

yeah you're right VOTE: Enchant

e-1 btw

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UNVOTE:

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Mena told me to

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Enchant how do you feel about Andante

you phrase this like enchant and I are the only 2 options for a lim here

like, you know I’m not getting touched here… but “heyyy enchant!! give your thoughts on this person who isn’t getting limmed… might still lim you, but doesn’t matter what you say”

VOTE: Invisibility

What????????

Invisibility asked a completely normal ass question where did you get this from

Main issue that while there provided "Evidence" that my town meta that scum meta that.

I don't have meta. Even if i did, you only provided game which proved YOUR point to condemn me. You was in games where opposite also happened yet you decided to delete them from your memories because they ruin your point.

enchant knows implosion/me are town & not being disingenuous :]

The fuck is this even argument, i said you only post evidence which benefit you and your point, in what hell this is townie thing?
I just hate invisible more

do u still hate me :,(

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but actually what are you thinking actually

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i mistaked you with implosion

somehow

yeah so what do you think now

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Ugh i really feel like andante is using the claim to avoid getting pushed,she feels super scummy to me

yeah I still find Andante exceedingly scummy

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i mistaked you with implosion

somehow

yeah so what do you think now

About what

meeeeeeeeeeeee :3

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and then this and one of the next posts is like "can't just TR the active people!!" like, generally town will be more active than scum, not sure the issue here? like, to go so far as to even screenshot the player activity stuff... like, you're not really giving any thoughts on the game, yet you're VERY aware of activity levels?? idk, seems off

questioning Dunn's read is pretty reasonable though not for this reason. I don't think it's an indicator of Dunn being more aware of the game then he lets on cuz like the activity overview takes about 1 second to read. Though yeah it is a pretty weak reason to SR someone.

why are you so passionate about alianna scum

I don't see this

Cause the general Alianna SR was fading?

Back to like throwing shade at Alianna? Without fully pushing alianna… like Dunn’s stance in regards to Alianna feels like partners, hesitant to just full on go after alianna, but still wants the town points for an alianna scum flip…

what do you make of Dunn letting off the gas but also shading?

The last part of that feels like trying to help a partner “I don't suppose you think there are scum in your town reads, so what would you call that?” like, “hey answer this and you look towny!!”

is it that partner-y to quibble over unimportant semantic stuff? Don't think that any response from Alianna would grant her much towncred anyway

answering in a way to get CSF to TR you, again, not how I think one would treat a genuine SR

I don't see this either

Hey Invisibility, Dunn is mafia, want to join the votes on mafia?

I don't think that vote has much going for it. Also weren't you wanting to vig me like five pages ago

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i mistaked you with implosion

somehow

yeah so what do you think now

About what

meeeeeeeeeeeee :3

Idk

lol

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yeah okay rereading Dunn's ISO it is pretty sparse. I kinda don't want to vote there right now though when the wagon is composed of very scummy and fairly scummy. Maybe tomorrow

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I am hearing you out Andante. I am literally agreeing with you

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what

so when others show up and go "yeah andante is town" then suddenly you won't think I'm scummy anymore?

what

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why do you think I would do that

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oh like do you think people are gonna consider you locktown once they read your Dunn post

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I think scum could've made that post on Dunn lol and that's not gonna change just cuz people disagree

pedit: no I straight up didn't even realize that's what you were saying cuz it didn't look townie to me

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do you think I'm scum for this

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I'd rather flip Enchant first

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I don't think I've been guilt-tripped in a Mafia game before

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sorry if I upset you but I'm not gonna vote Dunn. I don't think it's the best move in the game right now. We can still be buddies in a not-game situation though

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I'd rather flip Enchant first

i don't know how to ate

you kinda were lol

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but only a little bit

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I would also like to know why Mena voted Dunn here

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I don't think it really matters whether she's scummy or not, if you think "PR" is a good enough reason to let her live then she just lives at least until tomorrow and that's that. I'd be curious to hear from both of you what your stance on that is; is the PR claim a good enough reason to let her live until tomorrow?

yheah I've already said this haven't I

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He want from incredibly cool about my vote on him, ice in his veins, to

Oh shitfuck

. I feel like this

has

got to be telling somehow but I can't decide what it means. I did make a big deal about the vote, so, like, maybe even as a townie he felt pressured to act like my vote was a big deal? No clue.

he thought he was dead?

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do you think he didn't actually think he was dead?

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why do you think it's telling?

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like what makes you think you can mine a deeper meaning from it

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ok sure

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VOTE: dunn

@aisa, have you played much with enchant?

Also looks partner-y

partnery with whom?

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idk
VOTE: Enchant btw

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I think CSF is town. She's been sort of forging her own path but not in a like, stand outside the rest of town and nobody sees me way

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Nice hammer bro

silly

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VOTE: Enchant

I refuse to give you pleasure of killing me.

@viz this is why I asked you to unvote before lol

soz :P

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gg yay