Open 879: Fire and More Fire [game over]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sup ya'all lucky im here to rescue you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im familiar with the situation and I would like to offer the people here a deal

sheep me today and we will win on the spot cuz we only need to hit one of the 2 remaining scum to win.

if im wrong, just yeet me tommorrow - no need to worry about scum!pooky being devious or some shit

cuz im not scum pooky im town pooky

i have not actually read the game but I am happy to HARDCARRY this town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if my services are not needed and ya'all got this shit under control and know who the baddies are - tell me to shut up and i'll do that or w/e

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but how will you determine this brilliant scumread for us to sheep you on

I open up this game, drink one shot of whiskey every page I read, eventually the words will blur together and the truth will reveal itself

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

well we were recently assigned homework and we're trying to work out all the possible partner combinations. My homework is overdue cuz I'm awesome

fuck that homework bullshit

this game is easy

we just figure out who would want to shoot meuh on night one and we're done

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Meuh has been killed night 1. she was a

mafia lover

.

The Bulge has been killed night 1. he was a

townie

.

Skygazer has been killed night 1. they were a

mafia lover

.

it is now day 2.

im assuming this means meuh was the one who got nightkilled and then skygazer died of heartbreak?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I’m pretty sure no one shoots lurker sky here, so the kill was probs on Meuh. There’s no way I ever make that kill. Ausuka prolly doesn’t want to kill the slot that’s buddying defending her. Not sure about other people.

ROFL IS BINGLE TELLING ON HIMSELF

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

BRUH HE LITERALLY SHOT MEUH AND THEN BRAGGED ABOUT IT

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

my work is fucking DONE HERE

VOTE: BINGLE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

LETS GO

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

can we win today it will be the fastest replace into win of my career

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also I have a history of being able to immediately sense bad guys when I replace into Datisi games its a super power

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Datisi probly rofling in the mod PT now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

^ proof that I have sick scumdar when I replace into Datisi games

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I'm tempted to guess bingle's partner for the glory but there's no point since they're lovers so fuck it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im ngl i was lowkey worried that Umlaut was scum and i'd have to actually fake solving or some bullshit but I'm a VT so i dont need to fake shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Ausuka's interactions with Bingle feel very reminiscent of Ausuka in the other games I've played with her
Her gameplay in general does tbh
Either she's very good at emulating it or she's just town again, willing to assume the latter for now

btw Bingle this was Meuh crumbing to you that she thought you and ausuka were scum together and you just shot her in the face ROFL im dying

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this setup is so bad for scum only datisi could come up with this

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don't actually care who his partner is

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Lagavulin is the bees knees.

I'm sorry, were you busy being wrong?

funny story I had a chance to buy a bottle of this at Haneda International Airport for about 50k JPY[~300 USD] - which is a steal because it retails for around $1000 in the States.

I didn't buy it because I didn't want to bring it to China and then bring it back so I thought I could just get it on the way back from China.

It was sold out on my flight back and that is why you miss 100% on the shots you don't take.

Moral of the story? Vote Bingle

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky how much of the iso is ur read based on

Like is it mainly that one post

i just skimmed thru it and saw nothing that says he is town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

but hes got that supervillain energy coming out big time in the post death scene

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you want me to actually read the game i can do that but like itd be a shame if i couldve just killed scum bingle now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

BRUH HE LITERALLY SHOT MEUH AND THEN BRAGGED ABOUT IT

wait so are you saying that Bingle made an oopsie by kablamming his purported scumread that was secretly a townread and then he decided to be a big mean evil jerk and laugh about it in the thread or what

think about it

lets say there are 2 mafia alive and niether of them is bingle.

they see bingle tunneling meuh.

why not simply leave meuh alive so bingle keeps tunneling/pushing her?

if meuh gets flipped by bingle, its one less person they have to get rid of and also makes bingle weaker on towncred and easier to push later.

shooting meuh in fact gurantees bingle(town) would be looking for a scum other than meuh since meuh is dead. why would a scum team do this?

why waste a shot on meuh when bingle is pushing her?

the easiest answer is because bingle is scum so these calculations were never made by such a hypothetical scum team. bingle shot meuh in order to make the argument that he wouldnt shoot meuh hence he is town which is kind of a bullshit line of reasoning anyway.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also like if bingle is town and the other scum team thinks bingle is town and his scumread on meuh is real why the fuck would they shoot meuh? r they trying to shoot their partners?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

hey pooky nice to have u in the game

sup firepupper im here to rescue u


unless ur scum with bingle then tough luck buddy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also this is white flag at 2-7

the best way to play this is not to look for partner interactions(thats a massive waste of time and p easy for scum to manipulate)

we only need ONE scum

only need to land ONE baddie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also scum basically cant offer bops because as long as we are ruthless about enforcing bop it is strictly losing

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

true

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im rescuing you from listening to his rambling monologues in the scum pt then

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im biased by his ridiculous avatar

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

drew if you think i'm mafia you should help me yeet Bingle

if the game doesnt end then I will self vote tommorrow and lead my own bandwagon

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

that would be leading a bandwagon on ur own lose regardless of ur alignment there buddy

nah cuz there wont be a tommorrow cuz bingle will flip scum duh

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I recognize this is an absurd level of certainty/confidence for someone who has read maybe 4% of the game but I can tell you that every bone in my scumhunting body is going this is gonna be a hit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

assuming random eliminations through the rest of the game - the scum win rate is 33% [7/9][5/7][3/5] -> [1/3]

The scum strategy is to gradually shape thread control - build apathy - and not make enough ripples to win

Everything Bingle is doing is towards these ends - he is not a townie who is looking for one scum in 8 players to try to win - he is trying to cross the t's and dot the i's and writing up a long PHD thesis on how to play theoretic 8-d Chess Mafia which is basically just busywork and meant to look impressive without actually accomplishing a damn thing.

This is Professor Doom Mad Scientist Scumlord Bingle.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if this actually hits I will literally never forget u pookythemagicalbear

this brought a tear to my eye

you better not be some mafia dude manipulating me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

assuming random eliminations through the rest of the game - the scum win rate is 33% [7/9][5/7][3/5] -> [1/3]

The scum strategy is to gradually shape thread control - build apathy - and not make enough ripples to win

Everything Bingle is doing is towards these ends - he is not a townie who is looking for one scum in 8 players to try to win - he is trying to cross the t's and dot the i's and writing up a long PHD thesis on how to play theoretic 8-d Chess Mafia which is basically just busywork and meant to look impressive without actually accomplishing a damn thing.

This is Professor Doom Mad Scientist Scumlord Bingle.

Actually this whole homework scheme was your (Umlaut's) idea.

minor details

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Also:

VOTE: meowth

I think Bingle is probably the best person at mech on the entire site and he enjoys solving mech optimal play for town regardless of his alignment. [as in he will literally as scum point out the best way for town to play optimally

I have given up on reading him because I've been basically wrong on him every time I have ever remembered reading him.

nah i knew u were scum in that game thats why you shot me rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Pooky scum replace into this game thinking all like “I can lim me a Bingle.” But what Pooky didn’t count on was

I'm fine with a 1 for 1 if everyone else agrees to it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i'll even go first today if everyone else promises me they will vote you out tommorrow I dont really care lol

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

it might even be more glorious to lay my life down for this town as a noble sacrifice

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Genius solve, clearly just self vote at this point.

Maybe if pooky gives me some Yamazaki.

if you're ever in NYC we can definitely get a bottle

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Counterproposal:

Let's lim sheep, and/or Drew, and we can do the Batman vs. Bear 1v1 tomorrow if tomorrow if tomorrow happens.

this makes absolutely no sense for me to agree to

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

today is definitely the day we should be playing in BoP style

which means if you want to decide the elimination you gotta put up your own life as ante

and we do it for reals not some bullshit oops i got it wrong thing tomorrow

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the reason we cant do BoP style tommorrow is because you cant actually credibly follow through on BoPing yourself if BoPing yourself leads directly to ELO loss as its against win con

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also there's no way bingle!town actually thinks scum!Pooky enters the game this way even if he drank an entire BOTTLE of yamazaki 18

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like scum me is way better at faking townie thought process and like trying to solve and all sorts of fancy bullshit.

town me literally doesnt give a fuck cuz if we hit we win

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah flavor leaf has never taken responsibility for being wrong in his entire life - dude loves the sound of his own voice too much to BoP himself for being wrong

which is why he's always wrong rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like i dont actually think Bingle!town thinks Pooky!scum enters the game trying to kamikaze him for no reason cuz theres plenty of viable other eliminations and even if I yeet bingle today I would still get the axe tommorrow which is a loss for scum!pooky so theres no way his thought process is "lol this is scum pooky"



this is 100% scum!bingle trying to deflect

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Lmao, your last reads list was about how town needed to sheep me and LLD. You died because you weren’t gonna be an easy mislim and that wasn’t true of literally any other slot.

what r u even talking about - i literally told you to your face in the council PT that you were being a cheeky scumfuck and i was going to get you tommorrow so you shot me and literally nobody else in the council PT was paying attention rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I don’t think you’re actually trying to kamikaze. I think you’re projecting that you will because you’re backed into a corner and going down, and if you’re going to go down you see my lim as the best bragging rights you can get.

what r u even talking about how would i get bragging rights for limming you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bruh I am literally willing to die first if everyone else promises to follow through and lim you tommorrow so there will be literally no bragging rights involved if im scum here because if i get limmed first the game ends

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yea its called limming bingle and then you can see if sheep flips scum when the game ends

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i already explained

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

BRUH HE LITERALLY SHOT MEUH AND THEN BRAGGED ABOUT IT

wait so are you saying that Bingle made an oopsie by kablamming his purported scumread that was secretly a townread and then he decided to be a big mean evil jerk and laugh about it in the thread or what

think about it

lets say there are 2 mafia alive and niether of them is bingle.

they see bingle tunneling meuh.

why not simply leave meuh alive so bingle keeps tunneling/pushing her?

if meuh gets flipped by bingle, its one less person they have to get rid of and also makes bingle weaker on towncred and easier to push later.

shooting meuh in fact gurantees bingle(town) would be looking for a scum other than meuh since meuh is dead. why would a scum team do this?

why waste a shot on meuh when bingle is pushing her?

the easiest answer is because bingle is scum so these calculations were never made by such a hypothetical scum team. bingle shot meuh in order to make the argument that he wouldnt shoot meuh hence he is town which is kind of a bullshit line of reasoning anyway.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also like if bingle is town and the other scum team thinks bingle is town and his scumread on meuh is real why the fuck would they shoot meuh? r they trying to shoot their partners?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

the whole point is to claim he didnt do it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Like, you’re arguing that I would shoot someone who wasn’t a threat while ignoring people who were threats and was at worst a convenient place to push as a show of solving in order to claim that I would clearly not do the thing that is a bad idea.

So either I think it’s a bad idea to shoot Meuh there and am desperate enough for towncred to make that kill despite thinking it’s a stupid kill to make, or I don’t think it’s a stupid kill to make and yet come into the thread and try to fake thinking it’s a stupid kill to make for towncred while bragging about having shot myself in the foot.

The mental Olympics involved in this narrative are just wow, man.

ok who would scum you have shot then?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Your argument presumes the other scumteam thinks I’m town, which is kinda fucking silly.

It also presumes that I don’t like to leave people I can tunnel alive to, yknow, tunnel on them. Like Cakez.

I had absolutely no traction on a Meuh lim, and was actually fairly widely suspected throughout D1.

Your narrative has no similarity to what actual happened.

so you think the scum team thought you were scum and decided to shoot the person you were pushing because?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

also um isnt this just making my point that you were widely suspected d1 and needed something to change that?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

The more I think about 1925 and 1926, the more convinced I am in my original hypothesis that Bingle is just scum here.

Let me tell you why.


- The goal of these responses is to

discredit

my push against Bingle.

He's not trying to

figure out

whether this push from me is coming from Town!Pooky or geniune thoughts that Pooky actually thinks - he's not trying to divine what my motivations are or whether I actually believe this push. He's not trying to solve for my alignment - which really is the most important thing when dealing with a push.

You might say, well he doesn't need to ! he's convinced you're scum already Pooky! this is just a shitpush from scum!pooky.

Well think about it, even putting aside how stupid it would be for me to be doing this kind of kamikaze shitpush - let's say he really does believe that I'm Mafia and this is a shitpush - why does he need to discredit me? Simply agree to 1 for 1 and be done with it. If me/bingle are both going to flip, then in the world where I am mafia and Bingle is town, he wins 100% of the time. He doesn't NEED to discredit my argument, the flips will speak for themselves.

The reason he's going this route is because he knows that EVEN if Pooky gets flipped today - he can't let Pooky flip without bludgeoning Pooky's push on him because Pooky's push becomes only more real when Pooky flips town - so it's not enough for scum!Bingle to misflip Pooky - he has to first convince Pooky!Town that his argument is not good or bad here. Which is a hell of a different thing from just misflipping Pooky.

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Also:

VOTE: meowth

I think Bingle is probably the best person at mech on the entire site and he enjoys solving mech optimal play for town regardless of his alignment. [as in he will literally as scum point out the best way for town to play optimally

I have given up on reading him because I've been basically wrong on him every time I have ever remembered reading him.

also now that I think about this response to me where he points out the part where I said "I've misread Bingle every time I've tried"

This is entirely incongruent with a game state where he thinks I'm mafia - because mafia don't need to make reads. He's trying to sow doubt on my read because he knows I'm

town

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

whoops my bad big B

I'll owe you a bottle of Yamazaki next time you're in NY

VOTE: Pooky

I think we just dunk drew at f5 and ez win

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im willing to kill drew today instead of tommorrow but I feel like I will have cheated my boy Bingle of his well deserved revenge

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what it is yo

and whats up

cant a bear just get some love

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Merlyn [5]: Firebringer, Doctor Drew, Ausuka, Umlaut, Invisibility

does drew really bus merlyn here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like im kind of worried cuz Firebringer/Doctor Drew both voted for Merlyn at D2 which is a game loss if either FB or DD are teamed with Merlyn.

I know I'm not teamed with Merlyn [umlauts on the merlyn bandwagon in D2 also]

now there's 3 of you voting for Merlyn

so um p much nobody can be teamed with merlyn?

doesnt that just make merlyn town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I think what I saw on reread was that he voted right after firebringer, then he never posted while it was a bag wagon, and he came back after it had dissapated

ok but i dont see the utility in bussing your lover at d2 when u have to go another 5 days

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

like if merlyn keels over d2 thats a game loss if shes teamed with Drew or FB so why would either of them do that?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

so rn we have 7 alive

3 of you voting merlyn

3 of the people who arent voting merlyn[drew,firebringer,umlaut] were part of the merlyn wagon on d2 that ran up to 5

so doesnt that just mean merlyn is town?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean sure this could be the INFAMOUS white flag gambit where you put your partner ON THE EDGE OF DEATH to make them look unteamed

but ive never actually run into a white flag gambit in my life

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

How do u type so much faster than me

i use my nose to tap on the keyboard

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I mean you have to bus at some point

My explanation was just that drew didn’t think it was actually going to take off like that

He was just an offhand founding vote

you cant bus your lover partner cuz it literally ends the game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean i guess MAYBE they couldve been sad they shot meuhfriend and decided to TAKE THE EASY WAY OUT and off themselves but thats like a long shot imo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ok but why are we doing merlyn instead of drew

whats the scumcase on merlyn anyway

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i would totally hammer drew if i had the chance

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

what if firebringer is setting me up

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i believe you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Invisibility
camelCasedSnivy
Merlyn
Firebringer
sheepsaysmeep
PookyTheMagicalBear


CCS/FB//Sheep r not teamed with drew cuz they r voting for him and want me to hammer

im not teamed with drew

so its down to merlyn and invisibility?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

we said merlyn wasnt teamed with any1 so its just invis and drew?

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

firepupper r u scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

man if ur scum with drew that wouldve been a pretty sick move to put him at e-1 and dare me to hammer him and then pull back

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

are you trolling

if i was scum i would 1000% hammer you lolo

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ofc i love hammering townies when im scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

nah when im town i actually think about shit

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yo what if sheep says baa is actually the criminal mastermind here

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i mean I do look good but theres no way Im that convincing am i

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i might actually read this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i have never voted wrong in elo in my entire life

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

imagine if we miss here and I have to put that record up in some random game i didnt even read

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im pretty sure if theres a scum mastermind pooky, its you.
But i am not worried about u at all.

Because u got my back

thanks buddy I knew I could count on you

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if I was scum this is 100% the time I start open wolfing

but im town so im gonna get some whiskey and read this game

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

oh snap did drew just hammer merlyn

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

bruh you're not helping me reaction test her at ALL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

alright enuff fucking around time to get serious

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

those kinds of reaction tests only work on players who are so impulsive they wouldn't bother to check the vote count and meryln probably doesn't fall in that bucket.

ok but what if shes scum and tries to fake it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im drunk and i can understand what woofbringer is saying do you need a dictionary buddy

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

ook im drunk and i want to hammer drew

firebringer where r u

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im ngl if firebringer/drew pulled off the ill put my teammate at e-1 and hope Pooky gets cold feet move to make me lose this game I WILL NEVER LIVE IT DOWN IN MY LIFE

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im thinking whether you decided to e-1 your teammate to bluff me

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im ready now im like drunk i can do it

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

sheep did you know we're scum partners now

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

i think maybe u thought it was worth a gambit earlier but now im drunk so im more dangerous

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im kind of susp of you cuz i looked at your iso and it was like 30 posts of georgebailey

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

true not gonna deny that

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

there is a lingering feeling that maybe we yeet Sheepsaysmeep because if theres any scum mastermind its gotta be him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im too drunk to be a mastermind no lie

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

If I get limmed in this game I will start to associate effort with being negative

alright this sounds too bitter to come from scum

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I should probably just let u hammer drew.

But ive been wrong almost this entire game.

i wasnt actually gonna hammer him i just wanted to test if you'd put him at e-1 twice

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

now that i know you didnt e-1 him twice I can say you might be partnered with him

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if you actually risked putting your partner drew at e-1 with a drunk bear posting hammah hammah i wouldve been impressed NGL

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

I should probably just let u hammer drew.

But ive been wrong almost this entire game.

i wasnt actually gonna hammer him i just wanted to test if you'd put him at e-1 twice

VOTE: drew

Alright, test 2.

bruh it doesnt count if I TELL YOU

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

fuck it im gonna random.org this hammer

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

WHAT A COWARD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

JUST CUZ I MENTIONED RANDOM.ORG HE UNVOTES WILD

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

this is a fun game I appreciate you woofbringer

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

invisibility put drew at e-1 go

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

THE INVISIBILITY DREW TEAMMATE TEST

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

OH SHIT HE DID IT TOO

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Guys according to my worldview we are all town here rn isn’t that funny and cool

so is it just meryln/drew like ive been saying

lets find out VOTE: drew

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

one time datisi do it right

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if this is good this night will be legendary

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

if its wrong I NEVER PLAYED THIS GAME

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Jesus Pook, I don't get you.....just hammer me.

Though, what is your whiskey of choice tonight?

Pre Edit: Finally

I polished off an 18y oban

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

drew r u scum dont troll us

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

Jesus Pook, I don't get you.....just hammer me.

Though, what is your whiskey of choice tonight?

Pre Edit: Finally

I polished off an 18y oban

18y? Didn't even know that was a thing.

its p smooth - tastes like dinosaurs and seagulls

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

im going to assume this is scum drew taking us through some mild trolling.

assuming its game.

gg guys

gg

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

yo W i won by almost doing nothing

the best kind of victories

true

i even tried to throw rofl

[PookyTheMagicalBear]

gg thanks for modding Datisi

I have a bottle of whisky for you Bingle hit me up!