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[biancospino]

Votecount 2-VI

With 12 alive, it takes 7 to hammer.

execution votes

Deal With The Devil (2):

RCEnigma (1524), Enchant (1705)

RCEnigma (1):

camelCasedSnivy (1466)

SirCakez (1):

meowmeow (1720)

Not voting (8):

Merlyn, Deal With The Devil, SirCakez, Aureal, Hu Tao, Cat Scratch Fever, marcistar, Flavor Leaf (1713)

projects votes

Torture (6):

SirCakez (1470), Cat Scratch Fever (1471), Merlyn (1495), Flavor Leaf (1497), Deal With The Devil (1580), Hu Tao (1684)

Trading Outpost (3):

, Enchant (1504), meowmeow (1505), camelCasedSnivy (1571)

Guildhall (1):

Aureal (1474)

Not voting (2):

RCEnigma, marcistar

notes

• The Deadline is due in (expired on 2023-08-19 11:00:00).

[Flavor Leaf]

i mean, if you have to put me with a scumteam, there's nothing *wrong* with saying it's merlyn and marcistar and aureal or whatever. like from an outside perspective it would be possible for me to be scum with any of these people. i don't think there's much gained taking this kind of approach though and not sure what you're seeing if town, regarding how it helps sorting

like, all of your interactions with aureal in particular with me are confusing. marci i can kind of get? ironically, there

could

actually be a parallel with the drew situation, in that i think it's possible you wanted that miselimination available because it's easy to make a 'logical' case there and you wouldn't likely get much flak from it, but i also think it's possible for town you to just feel that way. like, i have miseliminated marcistar more than once.

but aureal? you're 'pushing' there and voting for her but you haven't like really given anything, except she doesn't want you to be tortured, but you also said that about marci and most of your talking about her is just like, 'oh she could be scum with meow'. like, you've done the mechanical disagreement reads a lot on d2 which i don't vibe with and i don't really get what this approach to aureal does?

I’ve already said my entire purpose right now was to figure your slot out.

Everything I’ve done was completely by design, including the nothing on Aureal.

Do I have reasons, yes, but I’m more interested in what happened to gamestate after

ok well, i don't really see how exactly that solves my slot

do i know devil is scum? obviously not. i have reasons to suspect they're scum, as i've gone over already, but i don't think i'm confident in anyone's alignment right now. a massive proportion of the playerlist is just like, 'i don't know who's scum' which is just like, yeah i don't know who is scum either. we kind of have to guess? and i feel like there's practically zero movement going on right now. if you're not presenting aureal as a serious alternative, and obviously hate the devil wagon, i mean where do you expect the gamestate to go? it probably keeps going nowhere until we lim devil if they're town or we flop onto some other random slot if devil is scum.

so i mean, what am i to do? i would like other people to push wagons and create a gamestate where i can like read people more effectively but this doesn't seem likely to happen!

im just creating a gamestate where if you are scum, it's gonna out you eventually, and if you are town, eh probably same thing

[Flavor Leaf]

you dont really need to do anything, im just background solving but my star shines so bright people always look

[meowmeow]

shrug, i understand like, the words you are saying, i just don't understand the thought process behind it

i'm not sure this is that productive since you want to be tortured and i want to torture you and i'm not going to push for your elimination today, and like you clearly don't want to explain this to me and i'm not going to be able to change your mind on the whole 'do nothing' thing. shrug, i just hope if you're town this ends up being worth it

[Flavor Leaf]

I feel like I’ve explained it

[biancospino]

Prodding SirCakez.

[camelCasedSnivy]

I don't trust FL and I'm scumleaning him.

then are you willing to torture FL?

I refer you to my torture vote for the answer to this

if you mean 1495 then idk what youre talking about

otherwise do tell

i have not read the last 2 pages either but the hyperposting is cool, i guess

[Flavor Leaf]

Torture (6): SirCakez (1470), Cat Scratch Fever (1471), Merlyn (1495), Flavor Leaf (1497), Deal With The Devil (1580), Hu Tao (1684)

this is probably mostly town.

[SirCakez]

ahhh I almost beat the prod too

[Merlyn]

I don't trust FL and I'm scumleaning him.

then are you willing to torture FL?

I refer you to my torture vote for the answer to this

if you mean 1495 then idk what youre talking about

otherwise do tell

i have not read the last 2 pages either but the hyperposting is cool, i guess

no you're right it wasn't my torture vote

All of yall voting for torture, who is the target you have in mind and why isn't it always Flavor Leaf?

[Merlyn]

My readlist:

Meow, CSF, devil
Marci, RCE
Hu Tao, Aureal
Snivy, FL

[Flavor Leaf]

lol ya merlyn's almost always scum here

[Flavor Leaf]

merlyn just came from being scum with me, they're damage controlling here cuz ive caught multiple scum members.

[Flavor Leaf]

Meow, CSF, devil

this is a dead giveaway tbh

[Flavor Leaf]

VOTE: Merlyn

[Flavor Leaf]

like Merlyn and I have 2 of the same top town reads, and then there's meow, who could be town, and if so, scum will play up to them for sure.

Devil is like the person meow was pushing the most even.

i actually would bet the game on Merlyn being scum here over anyone else.

[camelCasedSnivy]

merlyn just came from being scum with me, they're damage controlling here cuz ive caught multiple scum members.

who are these "multiple scum members"

[Flavor Leaf]

My readlist:

Meow, CSF, devil
Marci, RCE
Hu Tao, Aureal
Snivy, FL

these are just the most political reads out there this game. Hu Tao/Aureal is a distancing thing, so it's probably Merlyn and Aureal tbh, Snivy doesn't make sense with the way they are talking. didnt even put Cakez, dont really wanna dive into that either way, so will just ignore that.

[Flavor Leaf]

merlyn just came from being scum with me, they're damage controlling here cuz ive caught multiple scum members.

who are these "multiple scum members"

people within the same 5 ive been pushing all da phase.

[Flavor Leaf]

based on gamestate, i feel ive caught at least 3 int hat pool of 5.

[Hu Tao]

My readlist:

Meow, CSF, devil
Marci, RCE
Hu Tao, Aureal
Snivy, FL

Can you explain your read on me? Or is it from who I replaced

[camelCasedSnivy]

Merlyn Aureal who are the other 3. is meow one?

[Flavor Leaf]

Cat Scratch Fever
Deal With The Devil
Hu Tao
Snivy

SirCakez
Enchant

RCEnigma

Aureal
Meowmeow
Marcistar

Merlyn

Town-Lean Town

Light Scum-Lean Scum-Scum

[Flavor Leaf]

Merlyn Aureal who are the other 3. is meow one?

merlyn, aureal, meowmeow, marcistar, rcenigma

probs in that order.

[Flavor Leaf]

marci and meow can swap, and its probably fine too.