I feel like elle is a good vote. I might be biased because she's been inactive which I don't think is alignment indicative, but I have more people I don't want to vote and I think knowing her alignment would be useful at this point. She might be getting replaced though and I don't want to vote the slot off without a claim though.
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In post 264, Ydrasse wrote:
the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc
I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me
also i don't really think this is like. entirely true because it's a Behavior factored into meta and the things that you do in game so i think that how you treat it could give insight to your alignment. i don't think it's the Strongest reason to call someone mafia but i think it's possible you felt like you had to go through the basic motions of giving him/it attention without actually caring about the more important engagement with it.
so then what would you be arguing if I came into this game without doing it? "Oh it's weird why Cakez didn't anything to Pooky, seems kinda scummy?"
Me doing it or not is not AI
i feel like you're being obtuse right now and intentionally missing the point.
i think that you came into the game and gave the bare minimum amount of attention you had to to pooky because it's ritual. and people notice when that sort of behavior isn't gone.
however, once you did that your actual engagement with "content", the things you could like actually use to get yourself into the game based off of that when it was topical (the meuh/pooky miller thing) was not there, it didn't seem to register to you and i feel like that's a sign you're not really reading or caring to solve the game.
i don't get what you're getting at here. i did engage the pooky and miller stuff but then i moved on because it obviously was not going to be fruitful for my scumhunting purposes. i don't know what you mean by it not registering to me.
the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.
oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?
like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse
okay and so how does that invalidate my read
I don't see how from your PoV you think this is a scum push rather then a town mis-push. Ergo scum PoV.
because i'm taking it in conjunction with the stuff i've said about pooky?
you made the post, i read your iso after, and i ended up disliking what you've done.
Ydrasse you're really good but your arguments this game are straight and I don't think you'd be making them as town
like i don't know what to say to this but i think it's a really scummy post when you're actively like misinterpreting what i'm saying (and i feel that other people will blatantly... be able to tell what's happening) and then also adding the softening little "you're good omg" to it which, i think maybe is scummy because i'm reading everything else you're doing right now as that but it just feels like one of those little "things" people add to try and make a post seem more real
the point of the "you're good" was to situate why I find your current pushes to be so weak
okay so i have to ask,
1) why isn’t it fruitful when i feel other people made use of it to you
2) what other things are helpful in comparison other than whatever this is
and as for the last point it literally says nothing at all about my pushes or alignment. good and bad don’t mean anything when i feel you haven’t qualified what they mean. it doesn’t actually have weight.
In post 316, Dunnstral wrote:
Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse
i want to clarify that this isn't based off of explicit, in thread posts people have said about wanting to vote me but a general "atmosphere" around some questioning that i felt. i am fighting ghosts as well as mafia.
i find this post to be extremely scummy
ydrasse earlier attacked me by saying I voted her because other people were thinking about voting her and I was trying to take advantage. now suddenly she's saying that there was nothing explicit but just some feelings she had. how does this make sense at all with her argument that I was scum manipulating the gamestate? i literally could not have had access to her feelings about the game atmosphere. just nonsensical.
yes these two things are not somehow exclusive for one another and i don’t think that everyone in a game says explicitly what they’re thinking as a potential choice to do. i think the questioning prior to your vote came at a time where it was more likely inertia would work with that vote than not. i think that this manifests at least once later with meuh too hemming a bit about where she would go though it seems she later changed course more.
i would maybe vote gl but i’m unsure
i felt like some of his posts around me could be white knighty but also in the midst of scrapping with cakez i was also thinking “if he doesn’t see that i’m town i think he’s lying” which is lol
also i don’t like the suggestion of voting elle and saying oh it may be good when we have a week left and plenty of time for her to return or have a replacement found
In post 383, Ydrasse wrote:
also i don’t like the suggestion of voting elle and saying oh it may be good when we have a week left and plenty of time for her to return or have a replacement found
Let's be honest: do you think anything will be accomplished in that week? The game already feel like it's ground to a halt. What are you accomplishing in this game right now? I'd rather some amount of forward progress in the game rather than letting it stall out to apathy. Some people had a scumread on elle, I'm willing to test that read because ultimately elle didn't really do anything at all with its time in the game. I don't find your defense of it particularly convincing.
I've already stated I'm perfectly willing to wait for a replacement for elle but I'm making my intention to pressure the slot clear. If the replacement towntells, great, I move on to someone else.
In post 264, Ydrasse wrote:
the pooky thing is played out and obligatory but i find it interesting (scummy flavored) that he doesn’t seem to care about exploring the content that could maybe help him parse a slot he often plays with and interacts with etc
I'm always gonna have my little clash with Pooky but I think it's entirely and obviously irrelevant to my alignment this game and I think this is an incredibly weak argument to use to SR me
also i don't really think this is like. entirely true because it's a Behavior factored into meta and the things that you do in game so i think that how you treat it could give insight to your alignment. i don't think it's the Strongest reason to call someone mafia but i think it's possible you felt like you had to go through the basic motions of giving him/it attention without actually caring about the more important engagement with it.
so then what would you be arguing if I came into this game without doing it? "Oh it's weird why Cakez didn't anything to Pooky, seems kinda scummy?"
Me doing it or not is not AI
i feel like you're being obtuse right now and intentionally missing the point.
i think that you came into the game and gave the bare minimum amount of attention you had to to pooky because it's ritual. and people notice when that sort of behavior isn't gone.
however, once you did that your actual engagement with "content", the things you could like actually use to get yourself into the game based off of that when it was topical (the meuh/pooky miller thing) was not there, it didn't seem to register to you and i feel like that's a sign you're not really reading or caring to solve the game.
i don't get what you're getting at here. i did engage the pooky and miller stuff but then i moved on because it obviously was not going to be fruitful for my scumhunting purposes. i don't know what you mean by it not registering to me.
the pop in feels like it’s at a point where pressure could swing to me and the reason is like the most basic. paired with his few posts which seem very… uninterested in stuff like the miller claims and posts after. like it’s a chance to lambast me with a refusal to talk about anything else happening or what could support his worldview etc.
oh come on this is ridiculous and you know it
what's your argument against mine?
like i'm unsure what you're even asking me to directly challenge here. your read on me as informed?
the answer is "i'm not", i don't think that elle's responses were drafted by mafia for explained reasons
impasse
okay and so how does that invalidate my read
I don't see how from your PoV you think this is a scum push rather then a town mis-push. Ergo scum PoV.
because i'm taking it in conjunction with the stuff i've said about pooky?
you made the post, i read your iso after, and i ended up disliking what you've done.
Ydrasse you're really good but your arguments this game are straight and I don't think you'd be making them as town
like i don't know what to say to this but i think it's a really scummy post when you're actively like misinterpreting what i'm saying (and i feel that other people will blatantly... be able to tell what's happening) and then also adding the softening little "you're good omg" to it which, i think maybe is scummy because i'm reading everything else you're doing right now as that but it just feels like one of those little "things" people add to try and make a post seem more real
the point of the "you're good" was to situate why I find your current pushes to be so weak
okay so i have to ask,
1) why isn’t it fruitful when i feel other people made use of it to you
2) what other things are helpful in comparison other than whatever this is
and as for the last point it literally says nothing at all about my pushes or alignment. good and bad don’t mean anything when i feel you haven’t qualified what they mean. it doesn’t actually have weight.
I've never been able to scumhunt with Miller claims, this discussion already happened earlier, I'm just gonna leave them until we have a bigger idea of the setup. and I can't do anything with Pooky until he actually gives me something to read him with, which he hasn't this game so far. he's been shitposting like 90% of his posts and I just don't have a vibe yet one way or the other
by "good" my point is that I think your pushes as town have more merit and logic behind them then the stuff you've been saying this game. 317 for example just doesn't make sense to me
In post 316, Dunnstral wrote:
Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse
i want to clarify that this isn't based off of explicit, in thread posts people have said about wanting to vote me but a general "atmosphere" around some questioning that i felt. i am fighting ghosts as well as mafia.
i find this post to be extremely scummy
ydrasse earlier attacked me by saying I voted her because other people were thinking about voting her and I was trying to take advantage. now suddenly she's saying that there was nothing explicit but just some feelings she had. how does this make sense at all with her argument that I was scum manipulating the gamestate? i literally could not have had access to her feelings about the game atmosphere. just nonsensical.
yes these two things are not somehow exclusive for one another and i don’t think that everyone in a game says explicitly what they’re thinking as a potential choice to do. i think the questioning prior to your vote came at a time where it was more likely inertia would work with that vote than not. i think that this manifests at least once later with meuh too hemming a bit about where she would go though it seems she later changed course more.
i don't really buy this at all
what makes my vote illegitimate as compared to the other people who were "questioning" or whatever?
In post 316, Dunnstral wrote:
Their vote put pressure on Ydrasse at a time when people were considering voting for Ydrasse
i want to clarify that this isn't based off of explicit, in thread posts people have said about wanting to vote me but a general "atmosphere" around some questioning that i felt. i am fighting ghosts as well as mafia.
i find this post to be extremely scummy
ydrasse earlier attacked me by saying I voted her because other people were thinking about voting her and I was trying to take advantage. now suddenly she's saying that there was nothing explicit but just some feelings she had. how does this make sense at all with her argument that I was scum manipulating the gamestate? i literally could not have had access to her feelings about the game atmosphere. just nonsensical.
yes these two things are not somehow exclusive for one another and i don’t think that everyone in a game says explicitly what they’re thinking as a potential choice to do. i think the questioning prior to your vote came at a time where it was more likely inertia would work with that vote than not. i think that this manifests at least once later with meuh too hemming a bit about where she would go though it seems she later changed course more.
i don't really buy this at all
what makes my vote illegitimate as compared to the other people who were "questioning" or whatever?
like if anything, wouldn't it be more townie that I actually put a vote down instead of just making "ydrasse scummy" vibes that you said you felt
i’m going to try to explain again my issue with your vote on me at the time, with the caveat i’m less heated right now because your last post in that big quote chain felt reasonable to me and i might be wrong
i don’t think that, in games, people explicitly say what they are thinking or could potentially do which is obvious, however i think that sometimes the “feel” of what they could do can permeate the thread. (i feel like an insane person)
as in mafia are always going to be reading the thread and see what direction they could push it in potentially even if no one has outright said they want me dead, at that point i felt that your vote on me was one rhat would be pushing on me, an agenda kd kt makes it like easier to say i guess
that was my issue with your vote on me given that i thought it was a weak vote for the informed reasonkng and then after your attitude felt not great
