Open 880 - Normal Idea Mafia - Postgame

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VOTE: usespython

i use python. you can't do that

excited to be back playing mafia!

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VOTE: skygazer

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VOTE: skygazer

That's... not a joke
Wow, are we really out of rvs this fast

thoughts/opinions?

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skygazer/heip/bianco ship it

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sk is not mafia or something

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40 was a bit towny

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40 was a bit towny

Why would you consider 40 towny?

even if joking, it felt like a poking and prodding mindset which is a bit more likely to come from town this early

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anyways hopefully the bulk of the withdrawal is over 2morrow and i can think again

<3 good luck

VOTE: heip agree with std, the "why is this person town" rvs question is a bit scummy and ivy thinks withdrawal might explain skygazer being scummy. a lot of us still think defending themself from an rvs wagon was +scum though

-ivy+ash+james

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Tbh I don't really think there is anything to explain away, nor parse sky as defensive. What defending, 16 and 18?

mostly 18 yeah. it was a pretty weak read, but we read sky as a bit awkward

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hi tweet!

mostly agree with above, though i can see bianco as town who just doesn't like calling things ai

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@bianco python is really trying to dig in to what they think heip's mindset is and you're just not about that.

-ash+others

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this is probably a fair assertion in a vacuum but like it feels like tunneling here. It feels weirdly combatative (how do you spell that word)* but I think it's coming from a mindset of finding the evil boogeymonster and trying to find every opportunity to take them down

rest of the sys isn't as confident, but i agree here and i think bianco is town

-ash

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for some reason we felt like this would get hashed out already but

40 was a bit towny

Why would you consider 40 towny?

what were you hoping to get from this question? what did you get from it?

do you have reads on anyone on your wagon?

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snivy do you have a read on heip

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*cut*
i think heip is town *cut*

why?

UNVOTE: heip's honesty strikes us a pretty towny.

i have no opinion about the aureal wagon

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snivy why is heip town

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why is aureal scum

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ok will do

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aureal is very strange, but we never saw her play as scummy to begin with. no idea what she's trying to accomplish, but whatever.

VOTE: dragons

he hasn't towntold yet

this game is weird, there are a bunch of slots we haven't gotten enough from yet but idk if we ever will

monkey how are you feeling outside of aureal

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STDs towntell is being useless for 2k posts then dropping a wall that solves the game, why do you think he should have towntold by now?

i haven't played with him much before. but a bunch of other people feel town to me

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What it means is that you clearly have a much too limited view of my play range and I'm bloody well pushing back at that.

i mean this is totally fine, but i don't see why you would choose this game in particular to be less active as town, i feel like what this game needs more than anything is activity.

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i think flavor is town this game which is nice (have i played with town!you before?) and also we might get some more activity! thinking about voting snivy tbh

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aureal who is scum

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iso'd snivy and we're not really feeling it

VOTE: monkey besides angleshooting he hasn't really felt towny to us

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we've kinda liked unowen's posting so far, i think we prefer snivy? idk

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if it was that we'd definitely agree, what have you seen that's wildly towny from him this game though? everything we want to townread him on feels a bit silly when said aloud

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i get that, it's not too much of a stretch for us to see scum doing that as a way to get towncred (i know you said vibes but we don't really feel the same way), but yeah it does lean town.

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the best i can articulate, besides just poe, is that you seem to be latching off of specifics rather than taking a broad view of scumhunting. the aureal vote is a bit weird to me given that you could be voting skygazer or std for similar reasons, and i've yet to see a convincing narrative for her to be playing the way she is as scum besides "i don't really feel like playing", which could easily also come from town.

this has been a pretty lethargic game so far, without any concrete reasons i feel good about to scumread anyone, so i'm going to rely on my trusty gut and poe, though i don't feel good about it.

do you have an opinion on the snivy posts python quoted, or is it just "i could see these coming from scum"?

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this is scum why?

I think it's easier for scum to replicate and less common from town I think

what do you find unconvincing about what I'm saying about her? how do you think a person who rarely rolls scum would react in her position?

i think as scum she'd probably try to replicate her town meta. I think it's strange behavior from either alignment

I'd also be down to wagon skygazer fwiw

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{aureal > unowen, skygazer, doctor drew}

can you say a bit more about unowen? are you not comfortable limming them for whatever reason, or do you just want a counterwagon besides yourself?

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@hem unfortunately not convinced on you being town here, hopefully we can talk more tomorrow.

do people have specific reasons why unowen is scum? iso'd them and they weren't as towny as we remembered, though we did like 396.

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just iso'd drew and he could definitely be scum, his last two pushes were basically sheeping and he doesn't have the same fiery energy i'm used to

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invis had that really good bianco read though

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i thought it was a really good insight and something i hadn't thought of. it's possible being scum and knowing both of you are town or whatever helps you see that more easily, but level 0 trying to identify town tunneling shows a desire to get into your mindset and sort you

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how about skygazer

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who's scum if not snivy

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fwiw we felt like tweet was pretty towny for her

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Does FL normally play like this? We TR'd tweets posting but last time we played with town!FL they were pretty active and solvy

no as either alignment I'm pretty sure

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HEMs posting makes us think they're the likeliest to flip scum here but like that's not exactly a confident read and a HEM mislim probably straight up loses us the game from thread apathy if people are gonna continue playing like this

I thought about this, but with all the replacements I think we'll be fine, i think it's only a matter of time before flavor starts hyperposting.

speaking of which, is it like an established meta that invis hyperposts? some of us are a little worried about that slot

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aureal your argument is fine it's just wine and I don't really get why you've posted almost zero game relevant content and are now upset you're getting voted for it

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UNVOTE: monkey's stream of consciousness felt towny unfortunately

VOTE: snakelet fsr this feels right. but I think aureal should claim so we can get on with this

pedit also that lol

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VOTE: heip meh ok we're indifferent about all these wagons

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i suppose i could test aureal's claim

? she can just confirm herself

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would like to give it some time to give this thread more activity but yeah uno is scum

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I'm interpreting "taken by your target" as "a kill your target attempted to make"

@Mod is this correct?

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the block on snivy isn't really a guilty in a role madness game imo

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the block on snivy isn't really a guilty in a role madness game imo

it's definitely more mech scum guilty than Uno at this point, though.

i don't think scum killed skygazer. here's the list of weak roles town could have: weak roaming vig, joat {rolecop, tracker, weak hider}, compulsive weak vig. the hider couldn't be shot by a regular nk, and if skygazer is a vig they already killed the target so there's no framing that could happen. there could definitely be another protective/bulletproof type role which could explain the lack of kill

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Sky is flipped and is not weak, though.

right, i'm just explaining why scum wouldn't want to target them, cause they can't really frame uno by doing so. maybe scum just decided to kill skygazer but i kinda doubt it tbh

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i have a strong townread on python fwiw

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I'm confused

I don't wanna lim python, maybe that's a bad idea

wanna hear from snivy

pedit cool

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snivy feels town to me based on his reaction to the guilty yesterday but I have to reread. anyway we should leave him be for now

python i still think is more likely to be town. we're still missing a kill on n1 and I think the BP is the most likely explanation. like unless there's another protective role if they're scum snivy probably has to be (scum could've shot aureal, but she claimed bp lol)

snakelet just claimed fn

invis is greenchecked

that leaves flavor, bianco, std, drew

am I missing anything?

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VOTE: flavor I could see him as mafia trying to protect uno yesterday

pedit: @snivy aureal stole the mafia kill

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Oh yeah good point, there's no reason for scum to shoot a BP claim n1 and it can't be Strongman because the only possible Strongman rn would be SK and hem was the SK kill

did even think about this but yeah

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I chose Snivy because I figured scum off the wagon would make the kill, and I was a little suspicious of the slot, and it made sense if they were scum to make the kill.

I dont think it makes sense for Uno Scum to make a kill.

I think by Mech, CCS is scummier. By day play and wagon comp, Uno is scummier, but idk, Snivy is still pretty scummy with it.

I could believe they're a team, and snivy was distancing today.

I just really dont believe Uno makes the scum kill if they are scum, so I dont think Skygazer died from targeting Uno, I think they died because scum thought they were Weak, and wanted to frame town or protect scum with it.

the block on snivy isn't really a guilty in a role madness game imo

it's definitely more mech scum guilty than Uno at this point, though.

is there a reason for Uno mech scum other than Skygazer's Aureal or Uno targeting?

I just dont see why Uno would make a kill tbh.

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UNVOTE: no yeah we let him roleblock

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I just don't get why you're so upset here if town flavor, the game could definitely go badly in the worst case scenario, but it's looking pretty good imo

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like honestly if you're town here flavor it seems pretty difficult for town to lose

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assuming we treat python as a clear along with invis and snakelet

we lim town. scum shoot snivy and a clear. flavor gets a clear. so we're in 4v1v1 with 3 clears plus flavor.

if we trust town!flavor, we guaranteed lim scum and go on to win. the problem is we can't really trust him, and I guess that's what he's worried about, but the selfvote and ate doesn't seem like the way to get people to trust him, as either alignment. plus this is the absolute worst case scenario and it's still a 50/50 of lim flavor/don't lim flavor.

hm.

if someone has an alternative explanation for the missing n1 kill they should claim.

also don't understand why flavor is trying to argue that he wouldn't bus his guilted partner when he clearly tried to not but w/e

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also don't understand why flavor is trying to argue that he wouldn't bus his guilted partner when he clearly tried to not but w/e

what do you mean? I always was saying Uno was scum, even when I was pushing Snivy as scum.

dude you were trying to get snivy limmed, every day a scumbuddy lives benefits scum especially in a setup like this, you know that

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Infinity, explain why I as Mafia would just allow HEM and Uno to both be pushed Day 1, and actively not do anything

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like sorry, post game, y'all really need to realize you needed to step up cuz that's obvious af I'm never Mafia there.

Like I have literally only voted Uno this game, disagreed with people's scum read, and still said Uno was scum.

idk I'd have to reread

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yeah flavor could still be town here, it's just kinda frustrating the way he's playing wrt mech especially, he's still pushing scum python which they should be conftown im pretty sure as long as no one else can explain the missing kill

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the block on snivy isn't really a guilty in a role madness game imo

it's definitely more mech scum guilty than Uno at this point, though.

i don't think scum killed skygazer. here's the list of weak roles town could have: weak roaming vig, joat {rolecop, tracker, weak hider}, compulsive weak vig. the hider couldn't be shot by a regular nk, and if skygazer is a vig they already killed the target so there's no framing that could happen. there could definitely be another protective/bulletproof type role which could explain the lack of kill

ok it's not a full clear but it's good enough for me

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true that's also possible it just seems less likely to me.

gonna take a break from the thread cause I'm stressed, we should probably be limming std today

pedit: sigh I think that's wrong but I'm done arguing

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ill claim after std does just in case, don't put him at e-1 in case of self hammer

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2-shot doc, protected python then snivy

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sigh yeah that claim is somewhat believable, I still think the lim should probably be std though

I think flavor is most likely town here. especially if std flips maf, the hem kill was a pretty big mistake I doubt sk!flavor would make. if not, flavor could still be mafia I guess, I do think d1 was low-key enough that maf!flavor tries to strongarm a town lim. maybe he's worried that I'd be skeeved out by that since I was one of the loudest voices, but that's a bit tinfoil. I think I'm biased since I keep playing against scum!flavor and never town!flavor

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say std flips scum. if scum doesn't know whether bianco will protect snivy, it makes it a bit difficult for them to kill snivy. maybe they outwifom us but for now let's say they kill snakelet. flavor blocks python so they are cleared, and snivy clear flavor, we lim me and bianco and we should win this game.

if std flips town, it's more difficult but I think we do the same strategy. if scum kill snakelet invis, python and flavor are cleared and tbh I trust snivy and drew enough to just elim outside of those 4 which should hit scum. well it would be me and bianco but yeah fmpov I don't think we get there, I really think snivy is town and drew has to be a couple specific scum roles to be scum there.

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oh is it a good time to claim that I still have a doc shot left and this game is probably solved if I protect bianco

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too much rl shit going on in the night phase, I mean it was all calculated LMAO

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damn scum roles. yeah I guess I'm willing to risk it

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mafia can't have a strongman cause the only strongman is a traitor

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if std flips scum we definitely do the plan, in that case we're clearing flavor and python, bianco can't shoot himself and it would have to be drew who made a very strange play as sk strongman

if std is town maybe there's a better way to do this, like being ambiguous about whether we're using the protects

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wait flavor can be the strongman but limming me and flavor should win in that case

what if (if std flips town) bianco babysits an non-snivy cleared slot and I protect snivy, that at least makes it difficult on scum to coordinate their kills even if there's a strongman. worst case is a 4v1v1 with me, python (cleared), flavor, bianco, drew, and another cleared slot.

maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close

wait does strongman go through a roleblock?

pedit: yeah you're right

I looked and couldn't find a mafia strongman besides a traitor

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maybe it's worse to only have 1 kill and then that frames python? idk I feel like we're close

If STD is scum we mechanically win with an STD flip

If STD is town then we don't have a winning POE after a solo N3 Snivy NK because the POE is:

1. Invisibility - conftown (Snivy)
   
2. BlueSnakelet - conftown (FN)
   
3. biancospino - Novice Babysitter
   
4. usesPython - 1-shot Bulletproof
   
5. Infinity 324 - 2-shot Doctor
   
6. Doctor Drew - Even Night Gunsmith
   
7. Flavor Leaf - Odd Night Roleblocker

and the Snivy shot can go through because FL can just RB bianco and we have no way of telling and at that point we're at MeLo with no way to tighten the POE

what if I protect snivy?

idk I'm sort of ok losing to be very unlucky with the gunsmith result

we still can win at that point it's just harder

I do think fl tries to push a town lim d1 as mafia. it wouldn't have even been that hard.

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well aureal and help were clearly viable wagons also skygazer and std maybe

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what if I protect snivy?

No matter who does the protect it runs into the same problem of "was the protector lying or did FL rb them or do we have a Multitasking Roleblocker SK and both people did their job?"

Like we straight up do not have a viable POE if we hit town today

there's no multitasking roleblocker sk afaict

there's always the risk of strongman but I think it's way more likely that flavor is town than the sk is one particular role

idk. like I'm sort of wondering why bianco claimed what she did as scum so maybe it's just std/flavor anyway.

or are you scum? idk i just feel like it's best to let flavor at least get a check before we lim him and it definitely benefits scum!you to not have that happen

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Like it took until 644 for the Aureal wagon to happen and that was a pretty unexpected flashwagon that then went to a heip flashwagon because Aureal claimed IC and voted for him and everyone else sheeped her, at no point was there any real indication that there was a viable wagon outside of hem/uno from the time FL repped in until like a day before the extended deadline

I just don't think strong scum players think about the game like this, people felt very medium about all the wagons and if someone presented a strong alternative option i might've gone for it and i think others mightve too

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I think it's just std+python here. python even scumread std earlier and even if you think flavor is the scummiest scum to ever scum and std is the towniest town to ever town by play it still might be correct to lim std over flavor

pedit: who presented what alternative option

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note that we're talking about worse-case scenarios too, both scum shooting the same player or running into protects n4 are very possible

pedit: yeah I think those were weak alternative options haha

like I responded to "what about invis" with one somewhat towny post and you were like "right cool". and the case against std was that he was more solvy than he usually is as town which is unlikely to be convincing to anyone

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I think it's just std+python here. python even scumread std earlier and even if you think flavor is the scummiest scum to ever scum and std is the towniest town to ever town by play it still might be correct to lim std over flavor

pedit: who presented what alternative option

Tell you what, we get a guarantee that people aren't just gonna sleepwalk into a Python mislim if STD flips green and we'll stop arguing. STD scumflip solves the game, STD greenflip into two kills or no kills solves the game, STD greenflip into one kill loses us the game

sure

I wonder if none of us reveal our targets then? so scum don't know who they'll be framing to no kill or who's protected or who the other scum is killing.

still kinda wanna just do the me protect bianco protect snivy plan which I think only loses to strongman but idk

pedit: mmm lemme think

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if infinity has another doctor, then we can just doctor Bianco, Bianco babysits Camel, Camel Loyal Checks me, I roleblock STD.

Sounds like a great chain tbh

Damn it'll be crazy when Snivy dies after you rb bianco and then you 1v1 bianco for the win

Infinity and bianco should both be on snivy

trying to not give scum advice but idk if sk shoots snivy in that scenario without knowing if flavor is scum

plus I vote flavor over bianco

like if we both protect snivy scum shoots bianco which is like an extra lim kinda but not super helpful given the numbers I think

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I think Python fade into STD block is the way to go. STD doesnt have an ability that matters if its blocked anyways, and worst case scenario scum frame STD for a misfade. We get a possible free no kill this way.

I feel like Python has a potential strongman as SK here tbh, and id rather block STD who clearly doesnt.

the problem is if you're sk with std maf, I don't think it's the case but I want to play around it. so I probably wouldn't feel comfortable with you "clearing" std

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I'm way more confident std is scum than either you or python and it's weirding me out that neither of you agree. whichever one of you is town should realize that the correct play here is to lim std

pedit: oh yeah wait

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the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

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I think Python fade into STD block is the way to go. STD doesnt have an ability that matters if its blocked anyways, and worst case scenario scum frame STD for a misfade. We get a possible free no kill this way.

I feel like Python has a potential strongman as SK here tbh, and id rather block STD who clearly doesnt.

the problem is if you're sk with std maf, I don't think it's the case but I want to play around it. so I probably wouldn't feel comfortable with you "clearing" std

maf!FL would also be able to get away with it since it's not like SK!STD will be going "um ackhually I wasn't RBd because my kill went through"

right I keep forgetting it's not actually a clear if one scum no kills or runs into a protect

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the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

There's more than one "shitty role" that does basically nothing and also gives gunsmith guilties

I can go look but I'm not sure whether or not this is relevant. like those other shitty roles aren't possibilities because std didn't claim them right?

maybe this is a weird monty hall thing and std is like 80% scum instead of like 95%

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I'd like thoughts from drew snivy invis if y'all can follow this

pedit: oh ok cool and forgot

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the case is literally there's a guilty on him and drew happened to gunsmith exactly the backup cop is incredibly unlikely

There's more than one "shitty role" that does basically nothing and also gives gunsmith guilties

I can go look but I'm not sure whether or not this is relevant. like those other shitty roles aren't possibilities because std didn't claim them right?

maybe this is a weird monty hall thing and std is like 80% scum instead of like 95%

To put an extreme example, if there were 99 gunsmith guilty town roles and 1 gunsmith inno town role then a gunsmith guilty would be basically meaningless. The more roles STD could have claimed that explain the play the less likely we are to be in a "STD is scum because the only town!STD world requires incredibly low probability things to have occurred" world

yep this is right but 4 (?) town roles that he could've claimed is not a lot

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yep this is right but 4 (?) town roles that he could've claimed is not a lot

consider that the gunsmith innos are more likely to indicate they don't need to be gunsmithed

i don't get this part

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sigh I guess

flavor can you take a step back and let the conftowns read and give their thoughts

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@snakelet the only thing that makes me nervous about your plan is if bianco and std are the last scum, bianco can shoot snivy and we lose i think

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the problem is that only 1 kill doesn't clear anyone if a scum just no kills

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lim std, block python and bianco, i protect snivy, and if flavor isn't clear we lim him?

I'm certainly more comfortable rb'ing python. I don't think drew is scum and I'm mostly just hoping to stop both the kills

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lim std, block python and bianco, i protect snivy, and if flavor isn't clear we lim him?

I'm certainly more comfortable rb'ing python. I don't think drew is scum and I'm mostly just hoping to stop both the kills

The problem is that if we're not considered clear with all kills happening while we get roleblocked then scum have no incentive to holster which is why the blocks need to happen on other people

i mean flavor is the only one who said you're not considered clear, really it should be up to the conftowns

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i think the most likely scenario (even if std is town) is that there is neither a strongman nor an sk rolecop and i want to make sure we win in that scenario

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If we're doing a lim on us we want a roleblock on FL

is this just that you don't trust people to lim him if he's not cleared?

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I think that’s not a bad idea, though.

Snivy checks me, Bianco on Snivy, Infininty on Bianco, and Blue on Me.

That means if they try to No kill frame, then Snivy always gets a check on me.

i'm confused doesn't this leave me std and bianco all alive and uncleared

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both of you are too eager to go along with plans that screw scum!you that's why i want to lim std

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i don't want to end the day, i want conftowns to agree on a plan

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VOTE: std ok yeah. don't see why we'd lim bianco over me or flavor if shenanigans but we'll get there when we get there

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i think you're very towny based on play and associations and stuff (especially if std flips maf) but mechanically if snivy dies one of us is the most likely reason. maybe i'm putting too much weight on the python rb theory though because anyone could be rb/strongman. and i don't see you/python being the scums really and well, you/bianco still means bianco is scum.

idk i think we'll be fine

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i think python shot bianco hoping bianco protected snivy.

VOTE: python i should've realized python was scum earlier but here we are

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i should've realized python could be bp sk from the beginning. but i guess they're not cause they're a strongman?

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snivy could technically be scum, maybe we're supposed to no elim to give flavor a chance to block him but i don't feel like it

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i forgot to submit an action n2 lol

i still think python is most likely a bp sk by play, but I have to see if I can poke holes in the plan

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plan looks good, i can hammer unless there's anything else to say

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snivy is very very towny imo, why are we limming him today again?

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ok that is fair, the selfvote would be such a strange gambit though. also the vig failing doesn't mean anything

i still think python eating the bp is more likely n1

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i think drew is pretty likely scum given how python is playing this, also there are a ton of rolecop sks which i didn't realize

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wait wait

so (let's say) lim python (5v1), dragon holsters, block me. assuming no kill, we lim me (4v1). then flavor gets a block and both flavor and snakelet can block drew. if there's a kill, snivy is confscum, otherwise, we lim snivy (3v1), snakelet is killed and we lim drew in 3p elo.

this should play around everything but a strongman right? and strongman!python would've killed last night so maybe leaving python alive is better

pedit: ohh right

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what if we lim me instead of you cause it doesn't make sense for you to be able to get around the rb

this still depends on alianna's answer though right?

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i think drew is pretty likely scum given how python is playing this, also there are a ton of rolecop sks which i didn't realize

Explain how python playing this has anything to do with me?

i think snivy is town

i am town

flavor and dragon are conf town

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Why do you think Snivy is town?

the way he's played this whole game feels very agendaless including the selfvote just now, and i remember his reaction to fl's claim being really genuine

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what if we lim me instead of you cause it doesn't make sense for you to be able to get around the rb

this still depends on alianna's answer though right?

We can't be strongman but we're not clear from being an ascetic sk that shot snivy so that breaks open the solve

why would you shoot snivy?

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There are 2 soft guilties on Snivy.

no, the vig part of dragon's role is not loyal

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did you read 1555 i don't feel like talking mech atm

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you can shoot me ig, but dragon eater will die and i won't be confirmed

pedit: flavor leaf you did not read.

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im not confirmed since i couldve rbed and shot him

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can you at least talk with dragon about it

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What happens if you roleblock the person roleblocking you? Do both players end up roleblocked, under Normal rules?

@Alianna?

@Alianna

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ugh

i still think the way drew played the last day phase was scummy, he wasn't doing much until I was like "you're scum by play", maybe the mech stuff just isn't his thing?

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hmmm sus for drew

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yeah i think python had more of a directed agenda to win the game no matter their alignment, i don't necessarily feel that's scummy

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oh, uh, what happened to the n1 kill if python is scum? cause they can't be bp sk atp

maybe python!sk shot skygazer to help town out?

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ugh i dont like this

i wish we hadn't limmed snivy

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i know, im just not sure how much effort i wanna put in

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gonna ask flavor some questions to try and clarify

@flavor
Why does sk!python soft the inno on monkey and then kill him?
Was the gunsmith claim a good play for sk!drew?
How risky was it for python to agree to being limmed last day phase?

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To setup a fake claim

yeah but why that fakeclaim. and why risk killing him idk

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Drew had to have no killed on Night 3 or killed Bianco, which is possible, but idk, Python talked too much mech for me this game, and they came after me, and in my head, Python was always Day 5 fade.

isn't the same thing true for python? if python is scum who can be rb'ed they lose tonight even if drew is limmed

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flavor one thing that's holding me back is idk why sk!python went after you so hard d3. like getting you limmed there doesn't benefit scum that much and it puts them in a bad spot if you get cleared.

@python loyal checker/combined detective psychologist seem reasonable to me? it's strange play tbf

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oh and snivy already claimed when you said that. ugh

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having trouble processing some stuff, will review tomorrow ig

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flavor if you're really not gonna change your mind ill just vote but i wanna get this right

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V/LA for 2 days

sorry y'all we're sick. may get to this at some point depending on how we're feeling

Noted.

- Alianna

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across the spiderverse was pretty good but i hate that it ended on a cliffhanger

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across the spiderverse was pretty good but i hate that it ended on a cliffhanger

I will admit, never a big marvel movie fan.....but I need to be more open minded since the ones I have watched I enjoyed.

mm yeah into the spiderverse is one of my favorite movies ever tbh, really recommend it if you like creative animation styles

forgot to mention past lives, that movie was great!

will get to some isos today

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my gut says it's python, but the inno soft is just weird.

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flavor one thing that's holding me back is idk why sk!python went after you so hard d3. like getting you limmed there doesn't benefit scum that much and it puts them in a bad spot if you get cleared.

@python loyal checker/combined detective psychologist seem reasonable to me? it's strange play tbf

It does if Bianco isn’t killed and prior to the knowledge of Blue being a Roleblocker

can you explain this more?

and can you explain why python was trying to claim investigative?

i do kinda buy that they didn't check the role list when they originally softed, which is ++town. cause originally they said "correct play is probably to lim me"

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:/ i'm really not confident

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piecing this all together is kinda difficult, i don't play heavy mech games much to begin with, and i certainly haven't played one in a long time, i really don't know how an sk would play this

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python did seem to be focused a lot more on hunting mafia than sk haha

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i really hated the flavor push at the time, it felt like trying to keep std alive. just cause std flipped green doesn't mean he wasn't the correct lim, i think town!python is likely to recognize that

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wasn't there a missing kill at some point? that's weird if sk is strongman

pedit: im gonna look at the snivy wagon again

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Python, I want to hear from you. Do you think my plan will work? If not, why?

Assuming FL is Mafia and the Snivy kill goes through that brings the game to 4/1 with just SK left

If FL is town and Snivy dies we lose on the spot

We're confident enough to go for it

To be fair, that wasn't what I expected Scum!Python to say. I expected them to reason that a Python execution would always lead to a loosing endgame.

mmmh

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wouldn't python want to kill there to "clear" themselves?

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i can kinda see drew sitting back as sk and letting town destroy itself with bad mech plans

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i can see you playing this way as town too, there's just a bunch of strange things that make sk!python not work for me atm

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python could've been setting up a 1-shot rolecop with the hem soft

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oops no then they'd have to claim what role hem is

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And like Flavor hinted at, python is built to be scum/SK this game. They know how to use mech to their advantage.

If you feel mech makes them town, then so be it I won't hold it against you.

But my vibe has always been pure, like dove soap.....or ivory, always forget which one lol.

And maybe python is correct and gunsmith is a good fake claim for SK to make, again mech talk, but I 100% would have tried to find a more fun role to fake as SK..... I definitely am much more of a YOLO player when I fake claim, yes i will make it make sense, but will definitely have fun with it.

but the hem soft just seems like bad play to me. like i don't get why they do that unless they just didn't check the role list.

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i don't get why it can't be the doctor 1-shot combined cop doctor actually

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shooting him still looks sus in that case

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probably yeah

i'll look at this tomorrow ig

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yeahh that's the thing i just don't get why my gut disagrees >_>

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lol

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VOTE: python don't feel strongly enough to argue against both flavor and my gut

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i hope that's right >_>

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well played python you outplayed us lol

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I really should just trust my gut in the future, sometimes scum narratives just make no sense from an uninformed perspective

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my brain hurt from all the mech, I can only imagine how alianna felt, thanks a lot haha

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Hmm do we go for the boring 1-shot BP claim or do we say fuck it we ball and do a completely uncalculated cop claim

fuck it we ball

lmaoo