Guns & Roses VI [Game Over]

[Enchant]

Assumption "All mafia and some townie picked guns" asking for self.

Picking rose as scum is hard to justify.

[Enchant]

I searched previous games and found scum PT where mafia clearly allowed to discuss what they pick.

viewtopic.php?f=90&t=80360

[Enchant]

Okay it's then
1 town gun/3 mafia gun or 2 town guns/2 mafia guns

It's unlikely more than 1 mafia member picked rose.

[Enchant]

"100 posts"
"many"


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[Enchant]

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[Enchant]

I just made 1/10 of my post quota.

[Enchant]

Just yall wait >:)

Fuck I'm so bad at d1 discussion when there's no nk to go off of. Uh, lovely weather we're having?

Protip: vote random anime avatar.

[Enchant]

When memes in general?

[Enchant]

I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.

Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.

[Enchant]

... Or mafia as clueless as everyone and picked gun to pew pew.

[Enchant]

I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.

Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.

I never would go for that if I have a gun. I would shoot my reads period.

I smell you don't have it.

[Enchant]

I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.

Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.

I never would go for that if I have a gun. I would shoot my reads period.

I smell you don't have it.

I might. I might not. Why are you speculating?

Because i have nothing to do.

Likelyhood you picked rose as town are 90%.
Maybe higher.

[Enchant]

... Or mafia as clueless as everyone and picked gun to pew pew.

If one mafia is aware it raises the awareness of all of them

How exactly it undermines my statement?

[Enchant]

I think after Wheme claimed gun, all 3 other guns are mafia and it's all pointless.

[Enchant]

I think after Wheme claimed gun, all 3 other guns are mafia and it's all pointless.

So wouldn’t you wanna force mafia into claiming gun then

how

[Enchant]

Why not?

[Enchant]

Why not?

you feel like a player who would pick gun

You have wrong opinion on me.

[Enchant]

ok so why did you decide to pick rose?

Because it implues mafia need to remove me at some point.

[Enchant]

also I guess if no1 else claims town gun then wheme is confirmed as the only town gun and the 3 mafia all picked gun?

Yes.

[Enchant]

Yes, you can stop flexing by fact you read mod posts.

[Enchant]

I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.

Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.

I never would go for that if I have a gun. I would shoot my reads period.

I smell you don't have it.

I might. I might not. Why are you speculating?

Because i have nothing to do.

Likelyhood you picked rose as town are 90%.
Maybe higher.

It seems you started this conversation assuming that Titus is town by saying you believe they are a rose. I think this is potentially weird, you have a strange perspective here.

Why i should't assume as town early game?

[Enchant]

I think anime avatars conspire to vote me out from game.

[Enchant]

If we were voting based by avatar I will vote you too enchant

wtf apologise

[Enchant]

Ok you got me i did in fact pick gun.

I pretended i townread wheme, so i can shot wheme in the face without being shot back but i guess it's blatant i always pick gun.


Bruh game.


So yeah. Crosskill?

[Enchant]

I tried to force massclaim though.

[Enchant]

Perhaps.


But you see, i already suggested that guns should claim to crossshot, so mafia naturally avoids claiming guns. Then after massclaim i would judge more fairly if mafia claimed gun or not.

[Enchant]

But you all assume that i always pick gun, it's not even funny.

You think i am troll or what?

[Enchant]

I am angry

[Enchant]

If i cced immediately, you would vote wheme or you would "ah well ok mafia could pick rose i think!??!!"

[Enchant]

i would not want to vote you out if you were honest about picking gun right away. What you do with your bullet is up to you. I certainly wouldnt make you shoot Wheme

Why i should out D1?

[Enchant]

Of course you can't let me shot wheme, until she wastes gun on some random townie, uhum.

I see this as attempt to powerlim me so Wheme can say "oh i joked i am in fact rose" on D2.

[Enchant]

Talk over. I sleep

[Enchant]

Actually... if you are a town gun, why are you claiming instead of just shooting at night?

BeCaUsE EnChAnT NeVeR pIcK rOsE aS tOwN.

I TRIED to hide until i get my shot, i just realised that if i get wagoned to E-1, people just disbelieve me and it's blatant i am lying anyway.


So if pick rose, everyone push me for picking rose and when i do pick gun, everyone still push me, because they can't bear mind that i do have gun.

Literally unplayable.

[Enchant]

Why would you shoot Wheme?

Cuz i am only town gun.

I don't believe one scum picked rose.

[Enchant]

Why would you shoot Wheme?

Cuz i am only town gun.

I don't believe one scum picked rose.

Wheme could be a n1 rose baiting the mafia kill. They claimed right after someone said a gun claim would be a defenseless confirmed town, if I remember correctly. I don't think mafia would claim to be a gun right away because then they can be shot by the town guns if they don't believe them.

I don't like to have to spell that out but if you are the only town gun you getting wagoned is bad and you shooting at wheme is bad.

Makes as much sense as claiming cop in newbie setup as VT, getting CC and get both killed, indeed.

[Enchant]

I supposed to sleep 3 hours ago.

Fuck mafia.

[Enchant]

i think you are mafia w/ enchant

[Enchant]

Why you picked Night 2?

[Enchant]

"hey everyone, guns shouldn't claim, because it makes them target!"
@
"ENCHANT PRETENDS ROSE! IT'S LITERALLY SUS! WHY ENCHANT EVER DOES THAT?"

[Enchant]

"hey everyone, guns shouldn't claim, because it makes them target!"
@
"ENCHANT PRETENDS ROSE! IT'S LITERALLY SUS! WHY ENCHANT EVER DOES THAT?"

here is something to think about
do u think ari's push on you is an elaborate attempt to try to rolefish you?

No. Point that i pick gun is valid. But it's so annoying i can't.

[Enchant]

I am not gonna hide. I can shot N1.

So if Wheme can shot N2 i always win.

[Enchant]

Is this your defense of eliminating

Wheme

over yourself D1...?

If you eliminate Wheme, who i will shot?!

Just let crosskill happen, fools.

[Enchant]

Idk, Titus maybe.

[Enchant]

Idk, Titus maybe.

Elaborate?

I assume mafia would want me alive for D1, but hope i will miss.

[Enchant]

I am adding Aris to "Don't bother talk until ELO" list.

[Enchant]

if its a 3 scum gun vs 10 town rose setup there is essentially no information from a mass claim that would help scum.

when i say massclaim i mean claim gun or rose not which night you are.

Wake up.

There's 14 players.

[Enchant]

I got gun to punish people who also picked gun.

It's my LIFEGOAL.

[Enchant]

Enchant

, why do you even scumread

Wheme

?

I don't care about reading Wheme. I just don't believe mafia picked rose.

I don’t quite get why bulge thinks massclaim is bad for village and good for wolves.

Because if it happens as like you propose (like with 1 town gun 3 mafia gun) mafia will learn who that town wielding gun and just... shot them. Yeah they are now conftown and maybe get shot off. And then they just die.
Afterwards only knowledge you have is that everyone else are rose or gun wielding scum. And that's it.


I only insisted on massclaim because i am gun, overall idea is stupid.

[Enchant]

Basically you goated me in revealing i am gun, and even if i shot scum, you just lost your conftown.

What i can say. GG?

[Enchant]

Well yeah.

Why not massclaim anyway?

[Enchant]

My final proposal is atleast one of wheme/alicae are scum. I still probably kill both though if i had choice.
I don't believe both are town. Never.


For anyone who consider me "bad" for claiming rose.
Issue is i didn't claim rose, i just pretended i am one. Like any PR pretends they are VT D1.

If i was asked question "hello are you cop" in normal D1, even if i was cop, my answer will be "No, i am VT". And probably yours will be too.
If you needed to answer every fishing question truthfully to have any credibility afterwards, you wouldn't last long.


And as worldwide, vig has right to not CC all vigilante claims. They have gun for it.
Anyone demanding stupid 1vs1 is foolish at best and scum at worst. Even if i win 1vs1 against Wheme, i still end up being shot for my troubles. And wheme hypothetically could be town, which leave me with tomato in the face.


If you wonder why i am mad. I am forced to pick gun, because i knew my rose pick most likely will be disbelieved, because i am Enchant and presumably, my goal is to grief everyone in every game. Even then, rose only justified if i am sure i live longer than D2.
So i picked gun and decided to get one shot off and that's it, but you can't even let it happen.

I guess there's no escape from terrible meta players.

[Enchant]

Here we have another show off of Taly.

[Enchant]

Anyone who try to convince me that something i see happening is not happening and in fact i imagining it are my enemy of this game regardless of alignment, and will be treated as such. Given:
1. I pose as rose because it's most senseble thing i can do as gun in game where i can be conftown as solo town gun picker and i see someone claiming gun, maybe to bait me, maybe it's legit town i don't care. Yes, i am very interested in counterclaiming D1 and then being shot. (It's sarcasm). I can't just shitpush wheme directly as it's as same thing as just plainly revealing a gun so pretending i buy claim is most direct and winnable way for me because i just live until N1 and shot them. THEN i can claim shot.
2. You pressure me into claiming because obviously i would't get rose as town (which is in fact INCORRECT).
3. You then say how "it's bad" and vote me.

Any post containing "No it's not like that it's your guilt Enchant" can be printed on paper and burnt and i don't care to talk about it then.
Naturally i am punished for not lurking in this game and being Enchant. And it's fucking clear.


Anyway, my idea:
I shot Wheme
Alisae shots me
You vote out alisae D2 regardless of what Wheme flip.

At minimum nails 1 scum always. And no you don't let Alicae live by being somehow convinced that mafia picked two roses if wheme flips town (SOMEHOW). I know you will throw game anyway but i will be dead so it's not my concern anymore.
MAYBE you can consider Alisae town if Wheme flips scum. Maybe. I still try to kill both.

[Enchant]

Why even do that?

Well if you vote me this day, then Alisae shots Wheme (or does not), Wheme flips and you need to vote Alisae as well.

Ergo if you don't bother any guns, situation will be resolved in shorter time than if you voted out me first.

[Enchant]

When?

[Enchant]

If you are actually town gun, you never call wheme conftown.

We have clear different opinions on what to do, but my goal was to not be shot.

[Enchant]

I guess i feared wrong faction lol

[Enchant]

I think he was aiming to pass off Wheme as cleared to give him extra mileage in the game, but wasn’t planning on getting his bluff called for not being a rose

Of course that was our plan. It's not like i am more belivable to claim gun at first place and it's not like there's other town gun which can claim and ruin/shot/etc.

[Enchant]

You are either clueless or scum, or maybe both, and all your theories are on level of "HM WHAT I CAN MAKE UP TO PAIR BOTH ENCHANT WITH WHEME EVEN IF THEY WANT TO SHOT EACH OTHER HMMM" it's like you actively refuse to listen to your logic and instead try to pull logic on that organ which you use to generate reads. Or you are scum.

Actually can you just go?

VOTE: Gamma

[Enchant]

So I rolled town

Your previous you promised 100 posts on Day 1.


You better deliver.

[Enchant]

I feel like Ali is conf town

The fuck why?

[Enchant]

Regardless of alignment you flip, alicae will coast on "i would't claim on my place if i was scum" until end game.

That's why all guns should just die. I already told how it can be achieved.

[Enchant]

Im struggling to understand why anyone would take a rose and instead wouldnt take a gun

power-wise there's so much more influence in flipping a role than potentially absorbing a kill or two

If there's no town roses alive, game ends in mafia victory.

Otherwise everyone pick gun lol.

[Enchant]

Picking rose as scum is hard to justify.

This is why youd pick a rose.
P: oh well deadmans switch or not its a small price to pay and you could always go jester if you were the final rose as maf

I picked gun.

[Enchant]

I tried to think. Hard. But sorry no, i just can't look at wheme/alisae without knowledge about guns. I just know one/two are evil. That's it.

Only way to convince me that mafia picked two or more roses is for both them to flip town. But at that point, it would't matter because i will be either dead or broken.

If i HAD to pick, i kill Wheme.

[Enchant]

I tried to think. Hard. But sorry no, i just can't look at wheme/alisae without knowledge about guns. I just know one/two are evil. That's it.

Only way to convince me that mafia picked two or more roses is for both them to flip town. But at that point, it would't matter because i will be either dead or broken.

If i HAD to pick, i kill Wheme.

How do you feel about

Dunn/Cakez

? They're currently the only viable alternatives to you.

Let's vote Gamma instead.

[Enchant]

If we flip all town, then you probably vote Taly, because only Taly could get bright idea of getting roses as scum.

Maybe with Titus.

[Enchant]

damn leaving me out of it

i even said i would always pick rose as scum

Cringe.

[Enchant]

Is it not obvious I’m not a gun now

[Enchant]

Wheme can you clearly state if you are gun or not without dancing around.

[Enchant]

I’m a rose but I’m not claiming night

And you claimed gun because?

[Enchant]

Guess I was trying to bait a scum kill not realizing it would bait a town kill

[Enchant]

Yes I told Ali that I claimed becuase they said it makes me an ic

Do you really think I believed that it made me an IC?

VOTE: SirCakez

Game is more clear now for me.

I am randomshooting this night. Alicae will live and suffer.

[Enchant]

enchant

don't lolshoot me I have cookies

"There's nothing you can't take from enemy dead body."
~ Sun Tzu, Art of the Gun

[Enchant]

There's legends that you may bait kill by being effective scumhunter or good player overall but probably these are just legends, mafia always shot everyone fully randomly and only claiming gun can force them to shot you.

[Enchant]

Along with all town guns who now hate you.

[Enchant]

bruh

[Enchant]

Enchant

, real curious

Who do you think would be a mafia rose

It's very likely at least 1 exists.

If i had idea to get 1 rose to confuse town, then it would be probably someone who is likely to be shot N1-N2. So it's more likely people who are overall not limbaits to pick gun instead.

But trying to outguess mafia on this field is pretty hard.

[Enchant]

I think Wheme is VI

[Enchant]

Actually enchant what did I do in datsis and Pokémon for you to put random ass votes on me for cause both games I thought I was town as fck

I mildly suspected you and had you like 90% as scum after i tried to attack you because of you shitting out completely busted pokemon and then dumbtelling too hard for my opinion. I don't remember much, i just disliked you. I never really pressure my will though.


Also don't appeal to my authority, people think i am trolling idiot, it's like saying you didn't rob someone and some random bum can confirm that you didn't.

[Enchant]

Cringe

[Enchant]

Fun fact: Rules of game stated that players which didn't post for 2 days are REPLACED.

[Enchant]

I have feeling if i did pick rose i would fakeclaim gun because claiming rose is so unbelivable i would be policed.

[Enchant]

Ah yes, if majority doesn't care, it's nothing.

[Enchant]

Let's fire it up for a bit.

As you know i will shot someone (unless you vote me), so there's deal.

Anyone can say they like one player. And if there's two players saying they like someone, i won't consider this player egligable shot.


Choose wisely. Or don't choose at all and see if i care.

[Enchant]

Yes.

[Enchant]

Yes.

did my votes for not shooting

alisae/titus/gamma

actually count?

I count it as Titus vote, because i didn't plan to shot alicae anyway.

[Enchant]

yeah I want 5 people flipped, that's not a good thing

someone help

All things considering and fact that this is fucking d1, i think if you have 5 suspects and 3 of them are correct, you already reliable win even if those two towns will suffer.

So you probably should chill and not overdoing it. But i can relate to "Shot half of playerlist" but alas i only have one gun, and reloading will be invented only in future.

[Enchant]

Theta Alpine likes no one.
Dunnstral likes no one.
The Bulge likes no one.
SirCakez likes no one.
Titus likes pisscop.
Malakittens likes no one.
Taly likes Titus.
Alisae likes no one.
WhemeStar likes no one.
Aristeia likes no one.
Gamma Emerald likes self.
Enchant likes Self (counts as two votes)
Celebloki likes no one.
pisskop likes no one.

So far only Alisae and me are safe.

Did i mention i actually throw dice for my shot among all remaining candidates?

Boost your chances to not be shot by being liked by someone.


Why? Because it's funny of course.

[Enchant]

Silly enchant a d13 doesn't even exist irl

I am wizard

[Enchant]

Oh btw i will tell who i shot ot twilight obviously. If they live, it means N1 Rose. Do with it what you really want.

[Enchant]

You know me, i am always at every wagon.

[Enchant]

In fact i did consider it. But now i won't do it, because you ruined unpredictability of it.

Shame on you.

[Enchant]

Titus, Alisae, Enchant are safe for now.

[Enchant]

... I am surprised it's Titus really.

[Enchant]

In fact i already rolled and know which player will be shot. So i can hammer and announce who WON LOTTERY.

Spoiler: It's certainly player i would shot if i didn't make lottery.

I will reroll if you like another player.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Dunn


And winner is...

Celebloki!

I bet you didn't see it coming.

[Enchant]

Btw i rolled List of players randomly and

Taly

was next to our winner.

[Enchant]

NOOOOoooooooooooo

[Enchant]

Anyway i won't change mind.

[Enchant]

Well if Enchant is going to shoot at me tonight I'm dead, so go Town!

Can't argue with dices.

[Enchant]

Mafia killing both mafia kill and gun kill are nonsense.

Something wrong.

[Enchant]

I wanted to writed failing.

[Enchant]

Insomnia my beloved.

[Enchant]

Both?

[Enchant]

Should all N1 roses claim?

[Enchant]

I was just wondering too. I don't think all should just claim like lols.

It should be who believes they may have been shot at as an N1 rose.

Thoughts

Enchant

?

I disagree.

Mafia could shot literally anyone and high profile target probably picked N1 roses anyway because of prediction that mafia guns will also pick N1. Which makes sense.

[Enchant]

If i didn't shot randomly, i considered shoting you so there's that.

[Enchant]

Idk i would play this as mountanious because from this point mafia only has 1 kill and if there's ever 2 kills, it means one of guns are lying mafia because there's no roses from mafia picks.

[Enchant]

You can't suck up this game so hard to fail with 10vs1 are you?

[Enchant]

Taly

[Enchant]

Wheme admitted not being gun long ago tho

[Enchant]

What if you mafia rose

[Enchant]

What if you mafia rose

Makes no sense to do 2 nignt 1 guns and then mafia rose

why

[Enchant]

I won't bother to defend WhemeStar do whatever with him.

[Enchant]

Tempting offer, let me consider

[Enchant]

No

[Enchant]

Wheme also claimed N1 Rose. Unless it was another joke.

[Enchant]

Wheme also claimed N1 Rose. Unless it was another joke.

I could believe they claimed night2 gun for the purposes of being shot Night 1.

Foolproof indeed.

[Enchant]

N1 Rose is meta because mafia always pick N1 gun.

[Enchant]

Anyone not voting enchant please explain why

I am not voting Enchant because i believe Enchant are townie!

[Enchant]

Is this how enchant feels when he’s town

wtf not true

[Enchant]

If you yeet me, nothing really stops potential mafia night 2 gun from acting, because alicae is obvtown.

If you want to vote me, do it like D3.

[Enchant]

Wait i just scumslipped what Night 2 gun lmao

[Enchant]

Yeah whatever?

[Enchant]

I keep my window open in winter cause it’s to hot with heater on and my dad calls me a dumbass

I saw joke on TV, where workers placed heaters outside of house, and when questioned, said "If it's warm on street, it's also warm in house!"

One of few jokes which had me rolling.

[Enchant]

- I had celeboki as town

- Didn't do anything when i asked to vote.

[Enchant]

I give you no satisfaction from annoying me further, i reached my limit like d1

[Enchant]

bring it, if you lose then it's on you and if you win i still win so do i care?

[Enchant]

I probably want to vote out enchant today btw

Not inclined to vote a successful gun user as Celeboki wasn't on many obvtown lists.

Yeah but it's a shot on town that can be explained as town motivated, it certainly could have come from scum

This post can be explained as town motivated, it ceirtanly could have come from scum.

[Enchant]

I think Wheme is town but i don't care to defend them.


I am considering selling self in semi-slavery as doublevoter of someone.

[Enchant]

Is that because you're likely the other option?

yes

[Enchant]

That's not helping your case bruh

You expected other answer or something

[Enchant]

That's not helping your case bruh

No and it's why I think you're town

confusion

[Enchant]

I am too

Enchant

join the club

Well it's simple.

Either Alicae mafia who shot their teammate for no reason.
OR
There's mafia rose.

Who would pick rose as mafia?

[Enchant]

Enchant forgot the third option!!

Ah yes, sorry.

Third option, this is bastard game.

[Enchant]

It reminded me about american dad opening speedruns for some reasons.

[Enchant]

Ah yes legendary KiLl fOr InFo


It's not mislim if it's for info.

[Enchant]

VOTE: Enchant

I am proddodgin bye

[Enchant]

we good to end the day? Im not going to defend somebody who wants to self vote considering the position were in

Hammer

[Enchant]

Idk i thought Alicae will just shot me like N1 i didn't plan to live that long.

[Enchant]

Who is alicae

Your good twin.

[Enchant]

Does that make me the bad one

Yes.

[Enchant]

Imagine rolling mafia and picking rose then being forced to claim gun cuz you being rose is too unbelivable.

And then your teammates just die.

[Enchant]

gg

[Enchant]

Sadly legit. I asked Bulge to shot Celebloki.

[Enchant]

gg all. Enchant I forgive you.

DICE NEVER LIES.