focus on
celeb
, important later
claim
In post 77, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 37, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: malakittens
Still confused and kinda bothered by the suggestion that I’m skilled with mech, I can handle it but I would not say I’ve been pivotal to helping win a game that way
How does that make them mafia as opposed to just being wrong?
both focus on
gamma
here
In post 94, The Bulge wrote:
mass claim is a bad idea but i like the rolling mass gun claim (ie guns claiming their kills) idea
toward
enchant
I understand
In post 142, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 96, Enchant wrote:
In post 95, Titus wrote:
In post 92, Enchant wrote:
In post 89, Titus wrote:
In post 87, Enchant wrote:
I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.
Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.
I never would go for that if I have a gun. I would shoot my reads period.
I smell you don't have it.
I might. I might not. Why are you speculating?
Because i have nothing to do.
Likelyhood you picked rose as town are 90%.
Maybe higher.
It seems you started this conversation assuming that Titus is town by saying you believe they are a rose. I think this is potentially weird, you have a strange perspective here.
See, this is why I don't think
Dunn-Enchant
seem aligned, because
Dunn
is treating
Enchant
the same exact way he treated most of the playerlist aside from
Wheme
, he is passive here and over-explains to some degree.
noted for later
I feel like a partner would ask this, or at least, this is not above rand either alignment because it gathers info for the mafia team to respond to.
Alisae
posits
Wheme-Enchant
"Unlikely" from
Dunn
is very open-ended because it can imply the knowledge of mafia there and the knowledge of town as well. Notice how
Dunn
never specifies further in this convo, or rarely later.
In post 262, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 261, Malakittens wrote:
Enchant picking gun is NIA for me
I don’t really see why people are scumrrading enchant for it
Can you point to somebody scumreading Enchant for picking gun.
The discussion is about
Wheme/Enchant
but this is a singular focus on
Enchant
and his interactions. This feels more likely unaligned in response to indirect distancing of a suspected partner
(Wheme)
.
In post 264, Dunnstral wrote:
Regarding 261 by Malakittens I don't think Enchant was ever scumread for "picking gun". I do believe the reasons were: "enchant is claiming rose but would pick gun as town", "enchant is being deceptive", and "enchant is a flailing wolf". In light of that I find post 261 pretty suspicious.
Same as above.
Fluff
Showboating
Random and has almost nothing to do with the thread aside from
Bulge V Ari
, which could be an informed take here.
Especially given the confidence in
Ari
in the
Ari V Bulge
round 1 is unnatural as fuck. I was suspecting
Ari
here a little tbh.
Like with
Ari
this is how scum tens to state a townread without really going into detail because of how
"obvious"
it is.
still the same counterpoint that argument of innocence = to role pick.
In post 593, The Bulge wrote:
In post 409, Celebloki wrote:
This is the post that made me decide to go for Cakez over Ari or Ali. Ari started the push and has specific, very established reasons. Ali was engaged a bit in the claim talk and wanting to get rid of guns. Cakez piled on more so for meta'ing Enchant it seems. The vote also came in not long after Ali's. Maybe there was hope there'd be more momentum for a wagon to start that didn't. To me his vote was opportunistic and not from the same place as Ari or Ali.
At this point I'm not making a case on Cakez, I'm just trying a different direction than Enchant. I'll say it again so I'm not mis-represented. I am NOT saying I think Enchant is town and the gun claims are interesting choices to make. I tend to agree with Ali's statement that guns have to die at some point. My stance is just to save them for later.
celebloki is doing a lot of enchant-defense without ever outright calling enchant town, and being very careful not to do so. their whole iso i find to be very carefully worded but that doesnt have to be ai necessarily. but i could easily see enchant+celeb
Again, nothing about
Wheme
when he was relevant to the discussion, if not more active than
Enchant
at select points.
There's also more attention onto
Celeboki
defending the
enchant/wheme
wagons by going after the votes on them... but once again,
Bulge
focuses almost purely on the
Enchant+Celeb
association rather than
Wheme+Celeb
.
It almost feels like
Bulge
is chainsawing (I think I'm using this term correctly?)
In post 602, The Bulge wrote:
In post 432, Taly wrote:
Cakez feels like a bystander that, unlike Dunnstral, actually moves their vote around to places that people have already focused on. This might be a playstyle observation though.
can you talk about your cakez read? i don't quite understand what you're saying here, but cakez has been solely focused on enchant, so idk what this is about moving votes around. i get the bystander thing but not the rest.
same as the above, more
enchant
, less
wheme
why do i feel like this spews
enchant
town? because
bulge
has no reason to be bussing ina scenario where
Wheme V Enchant
is TvS at this time because the thread can go either way here.
In post 322, The Bulge wrote:
In post 87, Enchant wrote:
I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.
Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.
i dont think the claim even makes whem!town any more likely than rand much less conftown
Only part about
Wheme
This is an interesting post because
Wheme
is deciding between partner V partner in the reality he is scum, so I'm likely going to do a smaller ISO on this conversation to highlight what the point of it might be.
In post 769, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 510, Taly wrote:
- Able to see
Dunn
with some town motive. +Town
- Grievance with
Cakez's
posting strengthens -Town
-
Celebloki
,
Titus
,
Aristeia
,
Alisae
, and
The Bulge
are good next potential ISO groupees. Namely
Celebloki
and
Bulge
at the moment.
-
Wheme
does not make anymore sense to me, except for perhaps why they do not scumread
Celebloki
~Null
- I don't feel my suspicion on
Enchant
was absolved. ~Scum
In post 562, Taly wrote:
idk i want both
dunn
and
cakez
flipped, they have failed the vibe check
Huh. What is changing your opinion of me back and forth?
In post 770, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 569, pisskop wrote:
Im struggling to understand why anyone would take a rose and instead wouldnt take a gun
power-wise there's so much more influence in flipping a role than potentially absorbing a kill or two
Most townies should not be wielding an extra kill to be honest.
In post 771, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 574, Aristeia wrote:
Dunnstral posted once on wednesday and once on thursday and niether post really bothers to push anything in the game state - just a very one liner comment focussing on talking about someone's comment about himself.
I responded to a notification but didn't have time to read the whole thread.
Mentioned and spoke to everyone but
Wheme
in this lead-up.
In post 785, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 777, WhemeStar wrote:
Okay to be fair I thought it was obvious joke but then ppl took it seriously so I was like hmm I can just act like nignt 2 gun maybe mafia kills me night 2
I'm not buying that it was a joke, and if mafia shot you night 2 you would be able to get your own shot off as claimed.
Near the beginning of the game you were asked why you had claimed, and you immediately responded that you thought it had made you clear. Doesn't seem like a joke to me, really. Instead it seems to me that you are now flailing after two people claimed gun after you did.
VOTE: Whemestar
Artifical feeling.
In post 789, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 785, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 777, WhemeStar wrote:
Okay to be fair I thought it was obvious joke but then ppl took it seriously so I was like hmm I can just act like nignt 2 gun maybe mafia kills me night 2
I'm not buying that it was a joke, and if mafia shot you night 2 you would be able to get your own shot off as claimed.
Near the beginning of the game you were asked why you had claimed, and you immediately responded that you thought it had made you clear. Doesn't seem like a joke to me, really. Instead it seems to me that you are now flailing after two people claimed gun after you did.
VOTE: Whemestar
Yeah no this vote makes 0 sense
Why isn't there a vote, then?
In post 806, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 785, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 777, WhemeStar wrote:
Okay to be fair I thought it was obvious joke but then ppl took it seriously so I was like hmm I can just act like nignt 2 gun maybe mafia kills me night 2
I'm not buying that it was a joke, and if mafia shot you night 2 you would be able to get your own shot off as claimed.
Near the beginning of the game you were asked why you had claimed, and you immediately responded that you thought it had made you clear. Doesn't seem like a joke to me, really. Instead it seems to me that you are now flailing after two people claimed gun after you did.
VOTE: Whemestar
This might not make sense I don’t know how to word things but look
First off this whole post sounds like you know I’m town and it’s confusing me. Second off the only scenario in which claiming gun = being ic is if all mafia are gun and there’s only one town gun. That’s impossible to know which is why it’s an obvious non serious claim and if I’m mafia and I know there’s only one town gun because we’re all guns then why would I claim gun and risk a counter claim. The only way it makes sense for me to be mafia is if I am rose mafia baiting a counter claim and night shot by gun which is a genius idea and I’m glad Ali thinks I would do that but I think that’s out of my range. If I’m scum with a gun claiming gun is just asking for a death wish because you would just get shot. So if you believe I am actually a gun there’s no way I could be scum.
See, this is where I think that
Dunn/Wheme
are SvS because
Wheme's
argument is basically
"aRe YoU inFOrmEd?"
and it comes across as wanting to pushback on
Dunn
but without any teeth on it.
Kind of wild that
Wheme
wasn't vying for a
Dunn
elimination, it just spells informed or that they know they are not town.
In post 823, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 812, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 806, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 785, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 777, WhemeStar wrote:
Okay to be fair I thought it was obvious joke but then ppl took it seriously so I was like hmm I can just act like nignt 2 gun maybe mafia kills me night 2
I'm not buying that it was a joke, and if mafia shot you night 2 you would be able to get your own shot off as claimed.
Near the beginning of the game you were asked why you had claimed, and you immediately responded that you thought it had made you clear. Doesn't seem like a joke to me, really. Instead it seems to me that you are now flailing after two people claimed gun after you did.
VOTE: Whemestar
This might not make sense I don’t know how to word things but look
First off this whole post sounds like you know I’m town and it’s confusing me. Second off the only scenario in which claiming gun = being ic is if all mafia are gun and there’s only one town gun. That’s impossible to know which is why it’s an obvious non serious claim and if I’m mafia and I know there’s only one town gun because we’re all guns then why would I claim gun and risk a counter claim. The only way it makes sense for me to be mafia is if I am rose mafia baiting a counter claim and night shot by gun which is a genius idea and I’m glad Ali thinks I would do that but I think that’s out of my range. If I’m scum with a gun claiming gun is just asking for a death wish because you would just get shot. So if you believe I am actually a gun there’s no way I could be scum.
How does the post look like I know you are town? I am accusing you.
I also never said mafia had three guns and that is not something town can assume here either. It is strange that you are running with this as your reasoning as if you know this information to be true, while at the same time defending both gun claims - seems inconsistent to me.
I'm not sure whether you are a rose or a gun. But you claimed gun, and now you are retracting it after receiving pressure which reasoning that I find suspect, and that is what is important to me.
Okay but look
It only makes sense to do what I did as mafia if i am mafia rose
Scum gun would never claim gun
Once again, what scum does as a gun is a 100% fact, like he knows it.
Remember how he claimed gun and then backpedaled?
In post 886, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 853, WhemeStar wrote:
Can we agree that even if I’m really dumb there’s 0% chance I ever claim gun if I’m actually a gun especially mafia gun so dunn thinking I’m gun is really weird
I didn't say you were a gun, I said you were mafia.
Only logical attack by
DUnn
In post 887, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 785, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 777, WhemeStar wrote:
Okay to be fair I thought it was obvious joke but then ppl took it seriously so I was like hmm I can just act like nignt 2 gun maybe mafia kills me night 2
I'm not buying that it was a joke, and if mafia shot you night 2 you would be able to get your own shot off as claimed.
Near the beginning of the game you were asked why you had claimed, and you immediately responded that you thought it had made you clear. Doesn't seem like a joke to me, really. Instead it seems to me that you are now flailing after two people claimed gun after you did.
VOTE: Whemestar
?
This literally goes nowhere and this is almost forgotten like it never happened.
Says nothing but doubtcasts several slots and a whole, dignified reason why we should eliminate
Wheme
.
Celeb
is
Wheme's
favorite person to try to mislim atm
In post 1077, Dunnstral wrote:
I am townreading:
Aristeia, Alisae, Gamma Emerald
I think these people could go either way:
Titus, Taly, The Bulge, SirCakez, Celebloki
I think this group is likely to have mafia in it:
Malakittens, pisskop, Theta Alpine, Whemestar
------
Malakittens: Has barely done anything relevant this game day. What they have done has been contradictory, I feel t hey were not able to get their story straight yesterday. They have claimed that Enchant was being scum read both for picking gun and for not picking gun.
pisskop: I'm not able to follow their suspicions on myself and SirCakez. Strangely, they say there is not a lot to the slot in
1024, and yet they were pushing the slot before then, and there's no mention of slots like Malakittens despite not having a lot of content. Ultimately it feels like pisskop has decided on their reads here but isn't basing it on anything.
Theta Alpine: They have never voted for anybody. They have been very vague about suspicion such as the phrase: "i have been pinged by the requests for massclaims but i cannot come to a conclusion if those are scum motivated or not". They say that mafia picked mostly roses but it's not clear why they think that or what that means. They end it with "just no clue who that means to push" which is again vague and not pointing at anybody, and that feels scummy to me.
Whemestar: Their early claim did not feel like a joke claim to me. They seem weirdly fixated on whether they would be a mafia rose or gun and whether each is possible and that feels like an angle that mafia look for when they've picked something unexpected, rather than a townie trying to defend themselves here. Them not really understanding the arguments I am making and going back to the gun/rose thing might be indicative as well.
Only relevant thing about
Dunn/Wheme
that's broguth up.
Wheme
spends the rest of the time going for
Celeb
until EoD1 and never returns to this.
Uh
