In post 509, Taly wrote:
In post 9, Dunnstral wrote:
With so many roses, there doesn't seem to be a need to be secretive about claims this time, maybe.
In post 16, Enchant wrote:
Assumption "All mafia and some townie picked guns" asking for self.
Picking rose as scum is hard to justify.
Dunn
and
Enchant
open with similar themes,
Dunn
saying there isn't a need to be secretive and
Enchant
goes on to push for massclaim after making an assumption that mafia cannot be rose.
Noted
In post 77, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 37, Gamma Emerald wrote:
VOTE: malakittens
Still confused and kinda bothered by the suggestion that I’m skilled with mech, I can handle it but I would not say I’ve been pivotal to helping win a game that way
How does that make them mafia as opposed to just being wrong?
+1 good question actually
In post 79, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 29, Theta Alpine wrote:
i do not think there are any advantages to doing so
maybe
i mean i could see some but
without trackers or anything like that there is no way to prove someone could visit if we have less then four people claim gun
The advantage is that we know there are 10 roses and 4 guns:
If mafia fake claim rose we know we can trust the gun claims
If mafia true claim gun they can be held accountable for where they are targeting
The downsides to claiming is that mafia can then target the guns. And the knowledge of guns today may not be helpful.
I like this point arguing against massclaim.
In post 87, Enchant wrote:
I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.
Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.
Enchant
posits
Wheme
conftown with the mafia = all gun route, and relays a plan for all the guns to circle kill the other... I don't understand the town-motivation behind this. I know with
Alisae
there's an explicit scumread outside of their idea about how guns function in this game, but this feels like it could be
Enchant
wanting role information to tailor potential NKs. The town-motivation is less straight-forward if any is present, especially because the
Wheme
townread here was false.
In post 92, Enchant wrote:
In post 89, Titus wrote:
In post 87, Enchant wrote:
I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.
Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.
I never would go for that if I have a gun. I would shoot my reads period.
I smell you don't have it.
This actually does ping a bit like rolefishing, tbh. Kind of wondering if
Bulge
picked up on that.
In post 108, Enchant wrote:
I think after Wheme claimed gun, all 3 other guns are mafia and it's all pointless.
Weird logic loop, even with this read being false, it's positing that only town gun would claim.
In post 112, SirCakez wrote:
i want to move off rvs but no one has scumpinged me yet so someone do that please
Fluffy posting
In post 113, SirCakez wrote:
i do think the guns/roses claim discussion over the past few pages has been generally town-motivated
I didn't agree when I first read that
The post preceding the lie that
Ari
caught.
In post 142, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 96, Enchant wrote:
In post 95, Titus wrote:
In post 92, Enchant wrote:
In post 89, Titus wrote:
In post 87, Enchant wrote:
I think massclaim is good, so we force everyone who claimed gun to shot each other, because i don't believe Mafia didnt Went full 3 gun fun.
Wheme is conftown, unless atleast one gun claims.
I never would go for that if I have a gun. I would shoot my reads period.
I smell you don't have it.
I might. I might not. Why are you speculating?
Because i have nothing to do.
Likelyhood you picked rose as town are 90%.
Maybe higher.
It seems you started this conversation assuming that Titus is town by saying you believe they are a rose. I think this is potentially weird, you have a strange perspective here.
See, this is actually a take I agree with on
Dunnstral
, their diction just feels off to me. I'd figure a townie would have a more articulate thought than "strange perspective" and actually do something with teeth here, like a vote or harder push.
In post 144, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 138, Aristeia wrote:
In post 135, Gamma Emerald wrote:
:/
I just stated scum can also win if all town roses are dead
That’s been a thing in every run of this setup
I've never played this setup before but it just feels silly to me to pick rose as mafia - I'd pick gun every time
I am inclined to agree with this. Extra kills are more powerful for mafia than for town. On the other hand I've played a run of this setup where town only had 3 roses at the start and it felt pretty doomed.
The reasoning here makes sense, even though I disagree with the very premise that mafia are always going to be guns here.
The other game with 3 roses was a mafia win, after all.
Wondering where
Ali
came from here.
In post 166, Enchant wrote:
Ok you got me i did in fact pick gun.
I pretended i townread wheme, so i can shot wheme in the face without being shot back but i guess it's blatant i always pick gun.
Bruh game.
So yeah. Crosskill?
The post where
Enchant's
stance on his claim and
Wheme
completely 180
In post 183, SirCakez wrote:
VOTE: enchant
looks like a flailing wolf to me, this feels notably different from just normal Enchant scumminess
Feels slightly superficial read here, like I can see anyone coming up with this as a justification to vote
Enchant
. Am I being too harsh on
Cakez
?
In post 184, Enchant wrote:
Of course you can't let me shot wheme, until she wastes gun on some random townie, uhum.
I see this as attempt to powerlim me so Wheme can say "oh i joked i am in fact rose" on D2.
Posits that
Wheme
will waste a gun, but not that they're scum?
Also says that the votes are an attempt to powerlim so
Wheme
can say they lied about their claim... I am wondering what made
Enchant
want to do massclaim if they presumed who would claim is lying.
Fair question, I'm not sure an
Enchant
-partner would give attention to this publically
Same justification, only town gun can be
Enchant
... which is ???? Completely wild assessment to me. How can nobody else conceive the idea of town-gun if they themselves do?
In post 189, Enchant wrote:
In post 187, Dunnstral wrote:
Actually... if you are a town gun, why are you claiming instead of just shooting at night?
BeCaUsE EnChAnT NeVeR pIcK rOsE aS tOwN.
I TRIED to hide until i get my shot, i just realised that if i get wagoned to E-1, people just disbelieve me and it's blatant i am lying anyway.
So if pick rose, everyone push me for picking rose and when i do pick gun, everyone still push me, because they can't bear mind that i do have gun.
Literally unplayable.
It's not about the gun, it's about how you interacted regarding the claims and your reads.
In post 191, Dunnstral wrote:
In post 188, Celebloki wrote:
yeah, I don't understand the drive for the D1 claims, seems senseless to me
At this point it is likely too late
The gun claims are likely either both town or 1 town 1 mafia
Mafia know everybody else is a rose
Town /maybe/ has 1 more gun hidden, assuming one of the current claims is mafia.
Hmmmmm...
On one hand, I like this post superficially because
Dunn
is giving a very real possibility of TvT here. But they aren't really doing much to caution the current suspicion alongside this. I also wonder if this post can come from an informed perspective.
K.
Tbh,
Dunn
, how has your
Wheme/Enchant
reads evolved and do you really think an
Enchant
flip is good here?
In post 225, SirCakez wrote:
In post 223, Celebloki wrote:
Personally I still think we forget about an Enchant or Wheme wagon until D2 and instead anyone pushing for an Enchant or Wheme wagon are good fodder for a wagon.
VOTE: SirCakez
Why?
Like I mentioned before, I don't feel that
Celebloki
said much to suggest
Enchant/Wheme
cannot be scum, so this feels like a purposeful counterwagon. The intentions behind that are less clear.
In post 264, Dunnstral wrote:
Regarding 261 by Malakittens I don't think Enchant was ever scumread for "picking gun". I do believe the reasons were: "enchant is claiming rose but would pick gun as town", "enchant is being deceptive", and "enchant is a flailing wolf". In light of that I find post 261 pretty suspicious.
Yes
Still want you to explain this
K...
Wheme's
posts aren't really giving much and that's intentional. Really helping me sort that slot... /s
Interesting, I wonder where this came from, and also where the feels on
Celebloki
dissipated, was it because
Celebloki
wanted to counterwagon him and
Enchant
?
In post 305, Enchant wrote:
In post 303, Taly wrote:
Is this your defense of eliminating
Wheme
over yourself D1...?
If you eliminate Wheme, who i will shot?!
Just let crosskill happen, fools.
Never convinced by your reasoning for killing
Wheme
K? More focus on
Titus
Cakez
parroting
Dunn
on something I actually had the similar perception as
Celeblok
In post 310, SirCakez wrote:
I feel like Enchant and Wheme both being scum is almost like *too easy*? Like I feel like they would have solved this shit in scum chat or something by now. And they are both a little naturally scummy I think
I never really like these types of posts. It always feels like an easy out to backpedal when a read is correct or incorrect when convenient. The whole idea about scum solving this in their chat is WIFOM. The benefit of the doubt that
Cakez
supposes here is muddled by the previous statements, so I'm left feeling less sure on what
Cakez's
actual read of
Enchant
and
Wheme
and their wagons are.
Another
Bulge
reference with no clear prompt from the other ISOs I've grouped here.
Wizard-Mercenary
