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Post Post #1821 (isolation #400) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:29 am

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Majority of me post D1 is doubling down on townreads when it actively hinders me if I were the final mafia
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #401) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 3:38 am

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Maybe I'm taking this too seriously hmmm. I would GIF but I'm on the bus.

I'll reevaluate the wagons
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Post Post #1850 (isolation #402) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:28 am

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Man I'm dense
pisskop
has decent posts this page
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Post Post #1851 (isolation #403) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 8:29 am

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Or last page...
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Post Post #1855 (isolation #404) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 9:59 am

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VOTE: Redados

We don't have much time and I have a stronger inclination about
Cakez
-town, specifically their difficulty with making a decision right now feels towny in the current gamestate.
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Post Post #1856 (isolation #405) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:00 am

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In post 1840, pisskop wrote: That Im not voting you is more a reflection of my playstyle than any innocence I presume you have
Why are you holding onto your vote?
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Post Post #1857 (isolation #406) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 10:11 am

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ari
how are you reading my slot rn?
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Post Post #1862 (isolation #407) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:53 am

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thats pretty fair, tbh i think a lot of it is just my nature, im pretty flighty with my mind because im a very imaginative person and that shows in how i can waffle and push multiple directions almost simultaneously but in different ways

you are correct that i never really lost my scumread on
dunn
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enchant/wheme
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pushing
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eod1 was because i didnt tihnk there was a counter to
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i think i just have unique brain processes when it comes to mafia and its easy for people to have a wide variety of perceptions on my slot, or, like
aliase
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Post Post #1863 (isolation #408) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:54 am

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usually if im not voting, im second guessing, and thats rarely good D1.

so being trigger happy actually helps me flesh out my thoughts

almost like i play the game to figure myself out as much as i do the game itself
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Post Post #1864 (isolation #409) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 11:56 am

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In post 1848, SirCakez wrote: im feeling pretty depressed right now so it's gonna be really hard for me to stir up the fight back I need here
I promise this isn't some kind of AtE, just context for why I'm feeling this way about this game
In post 1849, pisskop wrote: its been a terribly crappy month for me too. A bad year overall, actually.

In the words of some philosopher or something 'If you hide it doesnt go away'
In post 1858, Titus wrote:
In post 1849, pisskop wrote: its been a terribly crappy month for me too. A bad year overall, actually.

In the words of some philosopher or something 'If you hide it doesnt go away'
Take a hug. I'm struggling in real life too with illness. We'll persevere. If you need a friend (this goes for anyone), please pm me.
same tbh

i just made some shakshuka to burn away my stress with grad school rn
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Post Post #1865 (isolation #410) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:00 pm

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In post 1861, Aristeia wrote: 804 is questionable because if you're a n1 rose why would you care if Enchant shoots you?
i didnt want
enchant
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Post Post #1867 (isolation #411) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:04 pm

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PhD in Medicinal Chemistry / Molecular Pharmacology
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Post Post #1869 (isolation #412) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:06 pm

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well, i figured i was likely an N1 shot for scum due to my high volume presence, and that's a pretty credible idea given we could've had 2 shots blocked.

but you're right, not sure if it means anything now
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Post Post #1870 (isolation #413) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:07 pm

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plus i was kind of just shitposting with
enchant
lmao, if im talking about cookies, gamesolving isnt a priority in that moment
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Post Post #1871 (isolation #414) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 12:09 pm

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tbh i hope the game just ends with a
red
flip

i feel like this shouldn't be more difficult.
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Post Post #1885 (isolation #415) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:44 pm

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i want as fast night as possible if we dont endgame

hmmm, i still dont think its
cakez
but fighting it atp seems counterproductive
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Post Post #1886 (isolation #416) » Thu Nov 09, 2023 1:44 pm

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wait that was the hammer, was it?
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Post Post #1896 (isolation #417) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:11 pm

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I'm not compromising anymore.
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Post Post #1897 (isolation #418) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:12 pm

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pisskop
, is it accurate to assert that yuo waited for
cakez
to be in hammer range before you put your vote down? If so, why?
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Post Post #1900 (isolation #419) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:17 pm

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E was complacent on most popular votes but the main reason I suspect their NK was because they were considered closest to conftown due to shooting
Bingle
. I don't think there was ever a strong feeling of e doing a gambit, so this kill might be more about who was least likely to become a viable wagon D4.
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Post Post #1901 (isolation #420) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:18 pm

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Bulge
* ffs
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Post Post #1902 (isolation #421) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:21 pm

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Wheme
is the only person who had been voting for both mislims. That likely clears them rather than incriminate. Thoughts?
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Post Post #1903 (isolation #422) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:22 pm

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I don't think it's
Malakittens.


And I think the initial assumptions made about the final scum D2 and D3 are likely incorrect.
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Post Post #1904 (isolation #423) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:24 pm

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We have 3 more shots, but the towncore is now starting to be picked off - or for good reason, questioned.
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Post Post #1906 (isolation #424) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:25 pm

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In post 1905, pisskop wrote: shock and awe, town died in a mech clear
Did you copy my answer?
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Post Post #1908 (isolation #425) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:26 pm

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I don't think e dying is surprising in the slightest.
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Post Post #1911 (isolation #426) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:28 pm

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Then who is scum? Because your only notable scumread since D2 has flipped town despite my defense of them.
In post 1910, pisskop wrote:
In post 1908, Taly wrote: I don't think e dying is surprising in the slightest.
I probably would have called you or ari the towniest apples in the barrel
Mafia probably wants to instigate a
Taly V Ari
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Post Post #1914 (isolation #427) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:30 pm

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I'll be floored if the next bullet doesn't hit
Ari
or I if we don't endgame today.

Actually, not too surprised, but it certainly seems probable.

But I don't think discussing this is helpful.

What are your reads aside form us two?
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Post Post #1918 (isolation #428) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:33 pm

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Cute.
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Post Post #1919 (isolation #429) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:34 pm

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In post 1902, Taly wrote:
Wheme
is the only person who had been voting for both mislims. That likely clears them rather than incriminate. Thoughts?
I think revisiting this slot with this question is a good talking point. It's the easiest VCA connection we can make.
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Post Post #1922 (isolation #430) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:38 pm

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I think the final mafia wants a better case than "that looks bad", after all, they need to survive three eliminations. Hence why I think it's more likely town.
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Post Post #1924 (isolation #431) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:42 pm

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pisskop
I'll be honest, I'm not set on you yet.

You've just been around for each hammer and daystart. That's not an actual reason, it's just a gut ping.

I want you to justify your push and vote on
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Sigh, I guess I'm just not convinced by anyone's reason for calling that slot scum.
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Post Post #1927 (isolation #433) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:46 pm

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In post 1920, pisskop wrote: I think voting for mislims is a bad look no matter what. You could rightfully argue its a bad look for you, for me, for wheme. The game is a little different than most considering its just the 1 maf left, so it applies less here after day 1.

Wheme's play, I think while he was under pressure for the claim, is worth going back for. I know Ive been promising to buckle down and do a dive, I really should this weeked.

... no promises though.
This feels a bit noncommittal. I want a more definite read.
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Post Post #1930 (isolation #434) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:48 pm

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Ari/Titus/Wheme/Red
what are your reads?
In post 1929, pisskop wrote: youd be forgiven to forgetting anything either member said
Fair but not a spicy take
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Post Post #1931 (isolation #435) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:51 pm

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How do you feel about
Red, pisskop
?
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Post Post #1932 (isolation #436) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:52 pm

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In post 1773, Malakittens wrote: Typical cuz today was hell and was going to be my catch up day.

I will say I feel like redgardos is acting like they know me which is werid cuz I don’t recognize the name at all.

Also pisskop with the “Mala is a good policy lim” at this point is a cop out
Scum doesn't make this post.
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Post Post #1933 (isolation #437) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:54 pm

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VOTE: Redados
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Post Post #1936 (isolation #438) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:59 pm

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In post 1932, Taly wrote:
In post 1773, Malakittens wrote: Typical cuz today was hell and was going to be my catch up day.

I will say I feel like redgardos is acting like they know me which is werid cuz I don’t recognize the name at all.

Also pisskop with the “Mala is a good policy lim” at this point is a cop out
Scum doesn't make this post.
First sentence is a tonal thing, just the wording makes me think of an actual tiredness and not scum stalling.

Mala
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Red
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The third is
Mala
expressing that policy on them is a cop out. That shows a level of self-belief in being town as there is no resignation, additional motive, or blatant AtE at play.

This just isn't looking like an informed perspective.
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Post Post #1937 (isolation #439) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 5:59 pm

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I townread
Enchant
when people did not

I townread
Cakez
when people did not

I'm pretty damn confident in my ability to read the "scummy" slots at this point.
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Post Post #1938 (isolation #440) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:03 pm

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Titus
isn't scum either. I don't think tunneling their D1 read with very minimal confidence at that is something scum wants to do to survive.
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Post Post #1939 (isolation #441) » Fri Nov 10, 2023 6:04 pm

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I don't think the final mafia is a lurker.

You can hear it from me while I'm still alive at F7 or figure that out at F3
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Post Post #1942 (isolation #442) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 12:55 am

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In post 1902, Taly wrote:
Wheme
is the only person who had been voting for both mislims. That likely clears them rather than incriminate. Thoughts?
In post 1936, Taly wrote:
In post 1932, Taly wrote:
In post 1773, Malakittens wrote: Typical cuz today was hell and was going to be my catch up day.

I will say I feel like redgardos is acting like they know me which is werid cuz I don’t recognize the name at all.

Also pisskop with the “Mala is a good policy lim” at this point is a cop out
Scum doesn't make this post.
First sentence is a tonal thing, just the wording makes me think of an actual tiredness and not scum stalling.

Mala
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Red
did not engage with them in a natural manner, this seems like an expectation unlikely to come from an informed slot who isn't so concerned about how realistic people read them.

The third is
Mala
expressing that policy on them is a cop out. That shows a level of self-belief in being town as there is no resignation, additional motive, or blatant AtE at play.

This just isn't looking like an informed perspective.
In post 1938, Taly wrote:
Titus
isn't scum either. I don't think tunneling their D1 read with very minimal confidence at that is something scum wants to do to survive.
I need someone to be critical with these thoughts
Ari
, do you think I am making any missteps?
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Post Post #1943 (isolation #443) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:02 am

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Passive influence from other headmates is a hell of a drug.
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Post Post #1944 (isolation #444) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:04 am

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Titus/Wheme/Mala
, please contribute, even if it is just "IDFK", anything goes a long way here.
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Post Post #1945 (isolation #445) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:07 am

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is a great prompt to everyone in the game, not just
Ari
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Post Post #1946 (isolation #446) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:45 am

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If I had to be very candid, it's between
pisskop/red
for me.

I think I had rose-tinted glasses with
Red
last dayphase and that has faded. Namely, I haven't seen anything in their ISO that jumps out as unable to be faked.

On the other hand, I've said my piece with
pisskop
for now.

I can do group ISOs comparing
theta/pisskop
but that feels a bit overdone...
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Post Post #1947 (isolation #447) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:57 am

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In post 1504, Aristeia wrote:
In post 654, Theta Alpine wrote:
v/la until wednesday for personal reasons


i did try to dive dunn and bulge and idk
both feel like lhf and not scum
feels like this is what scum says about their partners floundering and i dont read any real scumhunting from her.
it is a pretty damning post
In post 1506, Theta Alpine wrote: rather unfortunate indeed

more unfortunate that the person i most suspect right now is aristeia because i am fairly sure that is wrong
yup, right after
ari
called
theta
out
In post 1509, Theta Alpine wrote: you were one of the strong proponents of all mafia must have been gun

which i assume the final scum would have pushed for given that it appears the final scum went rose instead
theta
asserts that the rhetoric that all mafia must be gun as a scum rhetoric is odd given that majority of the town functioned off this atp in the game
aliase, enchant, wheme, etc. who are all likely to be town
.
In post 1548, Theta Alpine wrote: i mean it is a little hard to get motivation when i know i need to be eliminated probably anyways and i also am not the best at sorting people

but i can do some actual reading into interactions with dunn and bulge and try to figure out if i can determine much
more stalling
In post 1551, Theta Alpine wrote: huh

dunn and bulge had opposing interactions with aristeia
dunn was supportive of aris ideas while bulge was pushing ari for role fishing

not sure what that means but it is interesting
i am not especially able to tell if the interactions felt unnatural or not though
a net 0 in terms of a read
In post 1553, Theta Alpine wrote: yeah i do not expect to last longer then ari myself so

it is just my strongest suspicion at the moment cause we are either looking for a deep wolf or scum that have nearly given up and i do not know which
odd statement when being questioned about reads.
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In post 349, Aristeia wrote:
In post 347, The Bulge wrote:
In post 344, Aristeia wrote:
In post 341, The Bulge wrote:
In post 334, Aristeia wrote:
In post 327, The Bulge wrote: 146 strikes me as an attempt at thread control, like they don't want discussion to stray away from mass-claim adjacency.
attempt at thread control? I barely even bother to post more than one time a day in this thread where the fuck are you getting thread control vibes
narrative control is probably more accurate. shutting down d1 scum strat speculation rubs me the wrong way, esp when you only seem interested in discussing claims. what's the point of assuming there are 3 scum guns and then not going any further with that speculation? it's all noise.
to reduce noise in the thread
to what end?? you haven't shown any interest in sorting alignments
you think pushing enchant for lying about his pick is not sorting alignments?

ok why
there is incentive for town to lie in this setup
^ this is Bulge pushing me and claiming that me pushing enchant for lying about his pick is not sorting his alignment
because town has incentive to lie in this setup
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In post 367, Theta Alpine wrote: again

town has every reason to lie about their claim in this setup

scum cannot trust anything town says
town cannot trust anything scum says

a mass claim puts scum into the advantage in this setup if town follow it truthfully
^ this is theta on the same page supporting bulge and picking up the baton to argue with me about mech and town incentive to lie
that is a good tidbit... they both had an aligning agenda.

and given that
wheme/enchant
are town in this universe, both
theta
and
bulge
look like they're both TMI'ing them.

kind of odd that
theta
bought into my
wheme
push with this logic... perhaps they benefited from a mislim there.

granted, we cant do much about this since
theta
rep'd out.
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Post Post #1948 (isolation #448) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:19 am

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In post 1601, Redados wrote:
In post 1343, Theta Alpine wrote: scum already have three free shots to take from whoever they attempted to kill last night plus the town gun
so i feel safe claiming night 1 rose
Confirming this.
k
In post 1602, Redados wrote: I read the game.VOTE: Pisskop

Ask me questions.
no reason on why
pisskop
is scum but wants questions asked, i sometimes do this as scum when i want someone to prompt me into giving a stance by asking questions that lead me into developing a narrative
In post 1603, Redados wrote: Alisae and Ari are town.
ali
died so

but important to note for later
In post 1604, Redados wrote: My feelings are that the scum is simply content with the status quo. It doesn’t feel like the game is easily in hand, I think it’s important to not get complacent.
im not quite sure the thought process behind this, it implies that the wagoned people
(cakez, wheme, maybe even pisskop)
were town, probably a TMI statement tbh.
In post 1605, Redados wrote: Malakittens.
?
In post 1612, Redados wrote:
In post 1606, pisskop wrote: So why are you voting me?
Well it was a gut feeling but now that I have ISOd you it looks like I’m a genius
"it's incredibly obvious you're scum"
~ a scum player, usually
In post 1616, Redados wrote: Your style of posting is pro-town yet NAI if that makes sense. Makes you tricky to sort.
again, more non-concrete reads, this is also probably the most common and easiest stance to take on me as a player in any context
In post 1636, Redados wrote: I like your analysis taly
i kind of wonder if this was because i agreed with
pisskop
scum rather than a specific part of my analysis, i figured even town would be critical of an assessment, especially one that just agrees with them -- as i gave no inclination of a
pisskop
scumread prior to this. interesting that this wasnt a point of curiosity for
red

In post 1645, Redados wrote:
In post 1638, pisskop wrote:
In post 1636, Redados wrote: I like your analysis taly
We have one scum left, can you not start pocketing people
I appreciate your input.

Taly! You are scum scum scum. How could you. I trusted you.

Dear pisskop. Is that better? Sincerely, redados.
was a good question by
pisskop
that was never answered, maybe intentionally
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In post 1643, pisskop wrote: Its like pulling teeth with red.
it's been like two hours how can you make a blanket statement like that lol
well you've shown a track record already for dismissing
pisskop

In post 1697, Redados wrote: Whemestar, Malakittens, Titus, and SirCakez all owe me a read on me.
kind of an odd self-focus, like, i understand that replacing in in a lengthy game warrants a desire to be asked questions and a read on a rep'ing into a scummy slot, but i have no real indication here that
red
wants to know this information to sort, this might be more focused with optics.
In post 1713, Redados wrote:
In post 1710, pisskop wrote: So if they had shiny pokemon, whyd they bother with the red gyrados in gen 2 or 3.
Do you think scum is one of the four inactive people or do you think scum is active rn
I don't think they answered this themselves, and
pisskop
mentioned it is a lurker, which does align with their
cakez/other slots
POV
In post 1718, Redados wrote: Wheme I feel like your day one was almost too haphazard to be scum.
Keyword: "almost"
In post 1732, Redados wrote:
In post 1724, WhemeStar wrote: 1st vote = 4 points
2nd vote = 3 point
3rd vote = 2 points
4th vote = 1 points

Just add up the points based on who’s where and then we vote whoever has highest points first
I’m not doing this, we don’t learn from this like we learn from wagons
idk why it wouldnt be useful, if its effectively a pseudovote, it gets the game rolling

im also inclined to townread
wheme
for this post alone

if i were scum, id probably NOT want to do this either because i dont want to feel the need to justify a shift vote change from having a pretty open PoE like that.

but if
red
is town, why don't they just assert that this is unnecessary because they scumread
pisskop
and not because "we don't learn anything"
In post 1741, Redados wrote: You think there’s just a super obvious wolf to vote out and that the towncore is all town?
is there a contrary thought to this?
In post 1744, Redados wrote:
In post 1743, pisskop wrote: Youre obviously not theta, but I didnt have much love for the slot either, and as a single scum a rep in is a perfect excuse to post, for instance.

The tell will be in sustaining this energy you have now.
I didn’t give a ton of energy to analyzing theta because I can see the role card, but I would feel the same way about not feeling great about the slot if I didn’t know otherwise. So I totally get where you’re coming from.
In post 1745, Redados wrote:
In post 1743, pisskop wrote: Youre obviously not theta, but I didnt have much love for the slot either, and as a single scum a rep in is a perfect excuse to post, for instance.

The tell will be in sustaining this energy you have now.
Is it possible that you’re reading into it more than you need to? It’s as simple as - player excited about playing mafia replaces in. I don’t think that my volume of posting is alignment indicative, although I haven’t played as scum here in about three years so I can’t really self-meta at this point
In post 1823, Redados wrote: UNVOTE:
This just gives the potential impression of smoothening things out with
pisskop
because I can't tell why they scumread
pisskop
in the first place
In post 1826, Redados wrote:Ali?
This is a response to [post=18241824[/post] I believe, where
Titus
tells someone to pick to eliminate.

Why would
Ali
even cross
Red's
mind if
Ali
was 1 of the 2 townreads they mentioned upon replacing in?
In post 1831, Redados wrote: Fixed mindset is anti town
?
In post 1842, Redados wrote:
In post 1838, pisskop wrote:
In post 1165, FakeGod wrote:
Night 1
In post 1116, SirCakez wrote:
In post 1099, Gamma Emerald wrote: Feels like Cakez is deliberately sidestepping the discussion on why we are choose to not go after those slots.
Elaborate
ISO post 36 of 71 to date.

The very first thing you say in D2 is 'I'm recalibrating my reads.'

In post 938, SirCakez wrote: Reading reading reading
In post 952, SirCakez wrote: Dunn is like nullscum for me I keep getting weird tone reads off his posts but I can't point to anything specific enough to make a coherent argument for it
In post 1057, SirCakez wrote: I think Bulges lash out on pg 39 was hella town not sure what that means for Ari's alignment yet
In post 1065, SirCakez wrote: so ya consider my vote essentially on Dunn but I want to wait a bit here I am a little spooked by lack of counter like Titus said and wagon comp
You call dunn nullscum, and as the day progresses you get significantly more vocal about asking them to act town but never actually vote there. You defend bulge and, just as Ive been saying mafia should, you immediately enter survivalism mode and begin upping your play and then sink back into the abyss once people start pushing your rather naked vote on me.
VOTE: SirCakez
E-2?
Since I was never convinced
cakez
is scum, I think this is very weak evidence to want to compromise on eliminating someone.
In post 1898, Redados wrote: I’m re-reading Alisae’s ISO from since I replaced in and I’m a little confused on who they even wanted to vote out next. I assume in a game state like this you night kill people who want to vote you out?
idk, this feels like it might be feigned, i think there's good reason without this that suggest
ali
is an ideal NK target.
In post 1899, Redados wrote: Pisskop can you explain why you would have night killed Alisae
this has yet to go anywhere.
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Post Post #1949 (isolation #449) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:22 am

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pisskop
has been working with me despite my suspicion of them, i feel like mafia would more survivalistically pivot against me in this scenario rather than stick to the
"lurkers have scum / should be policy"
that he has more so presented.

im currently thinking
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can get a pass this dayphase, as I feel D1 interactions point much more to
theta
as a partner, especially in the context of that
Ari V Bulge
1v1 and
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we might just win if we get 3 more votes on
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Post Post #1951 (isolation #450) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:27 am

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I think
Redados/Theta
is the final mafia,
Titus
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Post Post #1953 (isolation #451) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:42 am

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Why I think eliminating Redados is an immediate town-win and that this is a sheep-able case.


Ari
posits that
Theta
supported
Bulge
in the narrative that town had incentive to lie in D1, and .

I think this is because
Theta/Bulge
knew
Enchant/Wheme
were both town and lied about their claims.
Enchant
= Rose (But we now know is actually a Gun),
Wheme
= Gun (But we now know is actually a Rose).

This is important because
Theta
accused
Ari
of probably being the last scum because
"town have incentive to lie --> scum gain the most form the narrative that mafia were all guns to cover up their final rose."


Upon replacing in
Red
pushes
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for reasons that aren't remotely explained other than a hand-wave response akin to saying
"it was obvious"
.... and fails to answer an important question posed by
pisskop
like from .

Another inconsistency is that
Red
answers that
Alisae
is the next pick for someone to eliminate from
Titus'
prompt in --- this is odd because
Alisae
was a townread in the first posts
Red
made as a replace-in .

However,
Red
decides to put
Cakez
at E-2 but
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is virtually nonexistent in their ISO aside from agreeing with
pisskop's
reasoning that
Cakez
is scum. Why would this sway
Red
if they initially believed
pisskop
is scum? I believe that
Red
needed an extra miselimination and
Cakez
had the most votes in the moment.

I strongly feel
Red
is scum and the game ends here, and everything else is a red herring that benefitted whatever
Dunn, Bulge, and Theta
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Post Post #1957 (isolation #452) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:53 am

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We're at E-2.
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Post Post #1959 (isolation #453) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:59 am

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Malakittens, Aristeia, Whemestar
, the hammer is one of you.
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Post Post #1969 (isolation #454) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:06 am

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its not lost on me that i just nuked a slot only 12 hrs into the dayphase.
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Post Post #1988 (isolation #455) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:58 am

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why am i a better scum player when i roll town
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Post Post #1990 (isolation #456) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:00 am

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slowballing this dayphase seems good

damn
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Post Post #1992 (isolation #457) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:00 am

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pisskop
you dont suspect me?
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Post Post #1994 (isolation #458) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:01 am

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youve got a good reason to question that?
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Post Post #1998 (isolation #459) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:03 am

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no, i was just wondering if scum was trying to buddy me since im still alive
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #460) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:06 am

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busy for a few hrs, bad timing oof
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Post Post #2003 (isolation #461) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 6:21 am

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can you link your town and scumgames pisskop?
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Post Post #2008 (isolation #462) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 8:08 am

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Mala
what are your reads?
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Post Post #2009 (isolation #463) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:26 am

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Meta on
pisskop
checks out?

I notice they tend to do the "idk am confused, meme" posting situationally as scum. Haven't seen that here.

They're also engaging more directly here
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Post Post #2010 (isolation #464) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 10:28 am

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Not me throwing town's awesome D2 position down the toilet ndosjsjdn
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Post Post #2011 (isolation #465) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:35 am

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In post 1982, pisskop wrote: Taly, if youre still serious about putting me away thats w.e.
Scum doesn't say this in F5?
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Post Post #2012 (isolation #466) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:38 am

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In post 1986, pisskop wrote: Maybe scum NoKilled
Ari
died?
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Post Post #2013 (isolation #467) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 11:44 am

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X_X I know this is counterproductive but I feel bad for turbolimming
Red


I should've stuck with my gut...
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Post Post #2014 (isolation #468) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:12 pm

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In post 2005, Titus wrote:
In post 2002, pisskop wrote: we need titus to make an appearance
Jesus this feels in bad faith. I am not usually here on Saturdays.
titus
, how do you feel about
mala, pisskop, and wheme
?
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Post Post #2015 (isolation #469) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:23 pm

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I keep coming back to
Mala
.
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Post Post #2016 (isolation #470) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:26 pm

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In post 1983, pisskop wrote: Also, who was a N4 rose? youre now town
In post 1986, pisskop wrote: Maybe scum NoKilled
Did you not see the
Ari
NK?
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Post Post #2019 (isolation #471) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:34 pm

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I'm not thrilled about the fact that you have 1 townread
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Post Post #2021 (isolation #472) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:36 pm

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nani
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Post Post #2024 (isolation #473) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:38 pm

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im getting mindfucked rn
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Post Post #2025 (isolation #474) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 1:42 pm

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i didnt expect either of you to return to the thread to townread the other, and now im having to rethink everything about the way ive approached this
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Post Post #2030 (isolation #475) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:21 pm

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In post 2027, WhemeStar wrote: How’d you guys elim so fast
Because everyone made me town leader
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #476) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:24 pm

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I chose violence
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Post Post #2032 (isolation #477) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:27 pm

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pisskop
where are you at with reads?
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Post Post #2033 (isolation #478) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 2:28 pm

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I'm genuinely stumped
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Post Post #2039 (isolation #479) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 3:22 pm

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I agree with
Titus'
take, it's unlikely and plus, I don't scumread him.
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Post Post #2048 (isolation #480) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:43 pm

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In post 2044, Titus wrote: You didn't approve fast night? I asked on a prior night so I figured he went with that.

I have it down to Taly or Mala anyway.
Are you basing this only off the timing? What is your read with
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Post Post #2049 (isolation #481) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:46 pm

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I don't have any action so I never had to "approve" of a fast night if that's what y'all are talking about
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Post Post #2050 (isolation #482) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:50 pm

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In post 2022, pisskop wrote: oh youre doing a thing. Mala has made it pretty clear what level of content they are willing to post. But that isnt nai.
In post 2007, Malakittens wrote: That’s gotta be the towniest thing you said all day
This just doesnt seem to recognize that with only 1 mafia left, scum has to kowtow to the various mentalities of the town to ride the proverbial line to a win
I'm not following how this is still a town post from
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Post Post #2051 (isolation #483) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:55 pm

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Well I consider
pisskop
to have likely townslipped based off glazing over the NK that seems too real to fake
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Post Post #2052 (isolation #484) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 4:56 pm

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Titus
do you have any hangups with me rn?
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Post Post #2054 (isolation #485) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:03 pm

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Just took Seroquel. I'll be out in about 30 minutes just a heads up.

Pedit

I'm trying to think of an alternative to
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but I'm coming up with nothing.

I've had a solid townread on you and
Wheme
for at least 2 dayphases each and I really don't think
pisskop
makes their posts today as scum.
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Post Post #2055 (isolation #486) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:04 pm

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Sorry I would really not want to kill the person who just wanted to sheep me.
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Post Post #2056 (isolation #487) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:04 pm

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I don't think I'm doing very well this game x_x
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Post Post #2058 (isolation #488) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:05 pm

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No I think you have a valid point I'm just trigger shy atm
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Post Post #2059 (isolation #489) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:15 pm

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In post 2042, WhemeStar wrote:
In post 2036, Malakittens wrote:
In post 2034, Titus wrote: It may not be kosher but I'm ruling out Wheme because of how short night was.
It’s not kosher and I don’t think the mod would go fast night without everyone doing a PM

Mala just slipped??
In post 2045, WhemeStar wrote: No and the mod said in a previous message he only asked the people with nignt actions for fast night
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Post Post #2061 (isolation #490) » Sat Nov 11, 2023 5:55 pm

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me brain sleeepy and its been hour past seroquel nighties
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Post Post #2067 (isolation #491) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:33 am

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In post 2063, Malakittens wrote: Taly — I don’t really understand the cold feet on me right now especially with how close the game is to ending.

How can I help you stop the switch of the read on me?

I really don’t want us to lose.
I genuinely thought this game was going to end by now, near 100% confidence.

The other reads are either longer lasting or I feel my reason is stronger. I'm going to do due diligence and ISO, but that's why I'm reconsidering with you especially as I will with everyone elsem
In post 2064, Malakittens wrote: I lowkey just think “I’m going to eliminate xyz from being scum bc they didn’t post during hours” is an unfair advantage and just against the ingenuity of the game

But whatever

I don’t really see how wheme lasted this long

Cuz I thought enchant was more town than wheme
You quite literally said
enchant/wheme/ari/ali
were all town D1 or D2, I can link the post.

So I don't get your trajectory on
Whme
being the scum we missed.
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i dont understand why scum!me would kill ari if she's townreading me
What was that talk you had with
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about
ali/ari
being more town than the other for?
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Post Post #2068 (isolation #492) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:38 am

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just looking at this group ISO and it's almost entirely
titus/wheme
until
pisskop
reps in
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Post Post #2071 (isolation #493) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:56 am

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You mentioned
Dunn/Bulge
4 times total in your ISO and none of them are direct interactions.

Can you describe your read progression on them?
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Post Post #2073 (isolation #494) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 8:47 am

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that just benefits scum, your play has been a benefit to scum. thats my hangup with your play here.
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Post Post #2075 (isolation #495) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:20 am

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do you want to slowball this
titus
? we're at E-1
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Post Post #2077 (isolation #496) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:43 am

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do you want this to go quickly or slowly, and are you wanting
pisskop/mala
to comment?

im not going to hammer at the moment personally but im just gauging your mentality behind that vote.
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Post Post #2079 (isolation #497) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 10:50 am

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because its not me and ill be damned if im mislimmed F3 for the 1000k time in my mafia career

but i do think its
mala
, yet
pisskop
may disagree so i want to hear them out
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Post Post #2081 (isolation #498) » Sun Nov 12, 2023 1:00 pm

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I remember realizing something to the effect but I can't find it either

Even still, I'm tempted to just hammer, I scumread
Mala
from all the picks I've noticed today.
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Post Post #2083 (isolation #499) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:28 am

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Increased teaching assistant workload brcause someone is sick, grant proposal is due, insurance denials, exams

I'm going VLA until Thursday.
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Post Post #2084 (isolation #500) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:01 pm

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do we just want to hammer and fuck around and find out?

like, my grief rn is if we're wrong, we go to 3p and town lose sbecause
titus
thinks im the other option

but also, i really dont think we're wrong here? and i feeel like
mala
is playing dead.
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Post Post #2087 (isolation #501) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:28 pm

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VOTE: Malakittens

here goes...
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Post Post #2092 (isolation #502) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:38 pm

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FUCK YEAH :D
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Post Post #2095 (isolation #503) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:39 pm

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sorry for turbolimming you
redados
<3

well played
mala
, you laid low and let town cannibalize itself for awhile

it was nice playing this game, very low stress levels in all honesty
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #504) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:40 pm

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FakeGod
, how do you feel about this game?
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Post Post #2100 (isolation #505) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:42 pm

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it was nice playing with a lot of yall again
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Post Post #2104 (isolation #506) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:43 pm

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so did a N1 shot get blocked still?
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Post Post #2106 (isolation #507) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:48 pm

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yet another dead thread that where some thought i was the final mafia
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Post Post #2107 (isolation #508) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:50 pm

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wheme
is underrated with reads
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Post Post #2108 (isolation #509) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 5:51 pm

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mala
really wanted
gamma
gone :o
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