Guns & Roses VI [Game Over]

[pisskop]

Night 1

Feels like Cakez is deliberately sidestepping the discussion on why we are choose to not go after those slots.

Elaborate

ISO post 36 of 71 to date.

The very first thing you say in D2 is 'I'm recalibrating my reads.'

Reading reading reading

Dunn is like nullscum for me I keep getting weird tone reads off his posts but I can't point to anything specific enough to make a coherent argument for it

I think Bulges lash out on pg 39 was hella town not sure what that means for Ari's alignment yet

so ya consider my vote essentially on Dunn but I want to wait a bit here I am a little spooked by lack of counter like Titus said and wagon comp

You call dunn nullscum, and as the day progresses you get significantly more vocal about asking them to act town but never actually vote there. You defend bulge and, just as Ive been saying mafia should, you immediately enter survivalism mode and begin upping your play and then sink back into the abyss once people start pushing your rather naked vote on me.

I mean, how much succinct can I make it.

[Taly]

Sigh, I guess I'm just not convinced by anyone's reason for calling that slot scum.

[Taly]

I think voting for mislims is a bad look no matter what. You could rightfully argue its a bad look for you, for me, for wheme. The game is a little different than most considering its just the 1 maf left, so it applies less here after day 1.

Wheme's play, I think while he was under pressure for the claim, is worth going back for. I know Ive been promising to buckle down and do a dive, I really should this weeked.

... no promises though.

This feels a bit noncommittal. I want a more definite read.

[pisskop]

Id actually like to see more mala and titus. I think a big part of the slow pace of the game is the lurkers.

[pisskop]

youd be forgiven to forgetting anything either member said

[Taly]

Ari/Titus/Wheme/Red

what are your reads?

youd be forgiven to forgetting anything either member said

Fair but not a spicy take

[Taly]

How do you feel about

Red, pisskop

?

[Taly]

Typical cuz today was hell and was going to be my catch up day.

I will say I feel like redgardos is acting like they know me which is werid cuz I don’t recognize the name at all.

Also pisskop with the “Mala is a good policy lim” at this point is a cop out

Scum doesn't make this post.

[Taly]

VOTE: Redados

[pisskop]

Its detrimental to the game to have multiple slots with no content.

This feels a bit noncommittal. I want a more definite read.

Ive been calling them nulltown for most of the day.

P: I did not tr theta. red's content and effort is better, but I would rather base my read of the slot with a higher weight to the player present in Day1.

Id have to iso theta and make a more informed decision. I was willing to vote them out despite all that.

[pisskop]

Scum doesn't make this post.

I honestly dont see why you feel that way, but youve been tring them since at least last gameday, no?

[Taly]

Typical cuz today was hell and was going to be my catch up day.

I will say I feel like redgardos is acting like they know me which is werid cuz I don’t recognize the name at all.

Also pisskop with the “Mala is a good policy lim” at this point is a cop out

Scum doesn't make this post.

First sentence is a tonal thing, just the wording makes me think of an actual tiredness and not scum stalling.

Mala

makes a comment about how

Red

did not engage with them in a natural manner, this seems like an expectation unlikely to come from an informed slot who isn't so concerned about how realistic people read them.

The third is

Mala

expressing that policy on them is a cop out. That shows a level of self-belief in being town as there is no resignation, additional motive, or blatant AtE at play.

This just isn't looking like an informed perspective.

[Taly]

I townread

Enchant

when people did not

I townread

Cakez

when people did not

I'm pretty damn confident in my ability to read the "scummy" slots at this point.

[Taly]

Titus

isn't scum either. I don't think tunneling their D1 read with very minimal confidence at that is something scum wants to do to survive.

[Taly]

I don't think the final mafia is a lurker.

You can hear it from me while I'm still alive at F7 or figure that out at F3

[WhemeStar]

Can I be voted off so if we lose it’s not my fault

[Aristeia]

uh I'm willing to sheep taly on whatever he wants this dayphase

kind of worried that me being alive is because pisskop is mafia and I'm defending him >.>

[Taly]

Wheme

is the only person who had been voting for both mislims. That likely clears them rather than incriminate. Thoughts?

Typical cuz today was hell and was going to be my catch up day.

I will say I feel like redgardos is acting like they know me which is werid cuz I don’t recognize the name at all.

Also pisskop with the “Mala is a good policy lim” at this point is a cop out

Scum doesn't make this post.

First sentence is a tonal thing, just the wording makes me think of an actual tiredness and not scum stalling.

Mala

makes a comment about how

Red

did not engage with them in a natural manner, this seems like an expectation unlikely to come from an informed slot who isn't so concerned about how realistic people read them.

The third is

Mala

expressing that policy on them is a cop out. That shows a level of self-belief in being town as there is no resignation, additional motive, or blatant AtE at play.

This just isn't looking like an informed perspective.

Titus

isn't scum either. I don't think tunneling their D1 read with very minimal confidence at that is something scum wants to do to survive.

I need someone to be critical with these thoughts

Ari

, do you think I am making any missteps?

[Taly]

Passive influence from other headmates is a hell of a drug.

[Taly]

Titus/Wheme/Mala

, please contribute, even if it is just "IDFK", anything goes a long way here.

[Taly]

1942 is a great prompt to everyone in the game, not just

Ari

.

[Taly]

If I had to be very candid, it's between

pisskop/red

for me.

I think I had rose-tinted glasses with

Red

last dayphase and that has faded. Namely, I haven't seen anything in their ISO that jumps out as unable to be faked.

On the other hand, I've said my piece with

pisskop

for now.

I can do group ISOs comparing

theta/pisskop

but that feels a bit overdone...

[Taly]

v/la until wednesday for personal reasons

i did try to dive dunn and bulge and idk
both feel like lhf and not scum

feels like this is what scum says about their partners floundering and i dont read any real scumhunting from her.

it is a pretty damning post

rather unfortunate indeed

more unfortunate that the person i most suspect right now is aristeia because i am fairly sure that is wrong

yup, right after

ari

called

theta

out

you were one of the strong proponents of all mafia must have been gun

which i assume the final scum would have pushed for given that it appears the final scum went rose instead

theta

asserts that the rhetoric that all mafia must be gun as a scum rhetoric is odd given that majority of the town functioned off this atp in the game

aliase, enchant, wheme, etc. who are all likely to be town

.

i mean it is a little hard to get motivation when i know i need to be eliminated probably anyways and i also am not the best at sorting people

but i can do some actual reading into interactions with dunn and bulge and try to figure out if i can determine much

more stalling

huh

dunn and bulge had opposing interactions with aristeia
dunn was supportive of aris ideas while bulge was pushing ari for role fishing

not sure what that means but it is interesting
i am not especially able to tell if the interactions felt unnatural or not though

a net 0 in terms of a read

yeah i do not expect to last longer then ari myself so

it is just my strongest suspicion at the moment cause we are either looking for a deep wolf or scum that have nearly given up and i do not know which

odd statement when being questioned about reads.

146 strikes me as an attempt at thread control, like they don't want discussion to stray away from mass-claim adjacency.

attempt at thread control? I barely even bother to post more than one time a day in this thread where the fuck are you getting thread control vibes

narrative control is probably more accurate. shutting down d1 scum strat speculation rubs me the wrong way, esp when you only seem interested in discussing claims. what's the point of assuming there are 3 scum guns and then not going any further with that speculation? it's all noise.

to reduce noise in the thread

to what end?? you haven't shown any interest in sorting alignments

you think pushing enchant for lying about his pick is not sorting alignments?

ok why

there is incentive for town to lie in this setup

^ this is Bulge pushing me and claiming that me pushing enchant for lying about his pick is not sorting his alignment

because town has incentive to lie in this setup

again

town has every reason to lie about their claim in this setup

scum cannot trust anything town says
town cannot trust anything scum says

a mass claim puts scum into the advantage in this setup if town follow it truthfully

^ this is theta on the same page supporting bulge and picking up the baton to argue with me about mech and town incentive to lie

that is a good tidbit... they both had an aligning agenda.

and given that

wheme/enchant

are town in this universe, both

theta

and

bulge

look like they're both TMI'ing them.

kind of odd that

theta

bought into my

wheme

push with this logic... perhaps they benefited from a mislim there.

granted, we cant do much about this since

theta

rep'd out.

[Taly]

scum already have three free shots to take from whoever they attempted to kill last night plus the town gun
so i feel safe claiming night 1 rose

Confirming this.

k

I read the game.VOTE: Pisskop

Ask me questions.

no reason on why

pisskop

is scum but wants questions asked, i sometimes do this as scum when i want someone to prompt me into giving a stance by asking questions that lead me into developing a narrative

Alisae and Ari are town.

ali

died so

but important to note for later

My feelings are that the scum is simply content with the status quo. It doesn’t feel like the game is easily in hand, I think it’s important to not get complacent.

im not quite sure the thought process behind this, it implies that the wagoned people

(cakez, wheme, maybe even pisskop)

were town, probably a TMI statement tbh.

Malakittens.

?

So why are you voting me?

Well it was a gut feeling but now that I have ISOd you it looks like I’m a genius

"it's incredibly obvious you're scum"

~ a scum player, usually

Your style of posting is pro-town yet NAI if that makes sense. Makes you tricky to sort.

again, more non-concrete reads, this is also probably the most common and easiest stance to take on me as a player in any context

I like your analysis taly

i kind of wonder if this was because i agreed with

pisskop

scum rather than a specific part of my analysis, i figured even town would be critical of an assessment, especially one that just agrees with them -- as i gave no inclination of a

pisskop

scumread prior to this. interesting that this wasnt a point of curiosity for

red

I like your analysis taly

We have one scum left, can you not start pocketing people

I appreciate your input.

Taly! You are scum scum scum. How could you. I trusted you.

Dear pisskop. Is that better? Sincerely, redados.

1642 was a good question by

pisskop

that was never answered, maybe intentionally

Its like pulling teeth with red.

it's been like two hours how can you make a blanket statement like that lol

well you've shown a track record already for dismissing

pisskop

Whemestar, Malakittens, Titus, and SirCakez all owe me a read on me.

kind of an odd self-focus, like, i understand that replacing in in a lengthy game warrants a desire to be asked questions and a read on a rep'ing into a scummy slot, but i have no real indication here that

red

wants to know this information to sort, this might be more focused with optics.

So if they had shiny pokemon, whyd they bother with the red gyrados in gen 2 or 3.

Do you think scum is one of the four inactive people or do you think scum is active rn

I don't think they answered this themselves, and

pisskop

mentioned it is a lurker, which does align with their

cakez/other slots

POV

Wheme I feel like your day one was almost too haphazard to be scum.

Keyword: "almost"

1st vote = 4 points
2nd vote = 3 point
3rd vote = 2 points
4th vote = 1 points

Just add up the points based on who’s where and then we vote whoever has highest points first

I’m not doing this, we don’t learn from this like we learn from wagons

idk why it wouldnt be useful, if its effectively a pseudovote, it gets the game rolling

im also inclined to townread

wheme

for this post alone

if i were scum, id probably NOT want to do this either because i dont want to feel the need to justify a shift vote change from having a pretty open PoE like that.

but if

red

is town, why don't they just assert that this is unnecessary because they scumread

pisskop

and not because "we don't learn anything"

You think there’s just a super obvious wolf to vote out and that the towncore is all town?

is there a contrary thought to this?

Youre obviously not theta, but I didnt have much love for the slot either, and as a single scum a rep in is a perfect excuse to post, for instance.

The tell will be in sustaining this energy you have now.

I didn’t give a ton of energy to analyzing theta because I can see the role card, but I would feel the same way about not feeling great about the slot if I didn’t know otherwise. So I totally get where you’re coming from.

Youre obviously not theta, but I didnt have much love for the slot either, and as a single scum a rep in is a perfect excuse to post, for instance.

The tell will be in sustaining this energy you have now.

Is it possible that you’re reading into it more than you need to? It’s as simple as - player excited about playing mafia replaces in. I don’t think that my volume of posting is alignment indicative, although I haven’t played as scum here in about three years so I can’t really self-meta at this point

UNVOTE:

This just gives the potential impression of smoothening things out with

pisskop

because I can't tell why they scumread

pisskop

in the first place

Ali?

This is a response to [post=18241824[/post] I believe, where

Titus

tells someone to pick to eliminate.

Why would

Ali

even cross

Red's

mind if

Ali

was 1 of the 2 townreads they mentioned upon replacing in?

Fixed mindset is anti town

?

Night 1

Feels like Cakez is deliberately sidestepping the discussion on why we are choose to not go after those slots.

Elaborate

ISO post 36 of 71 to date.

The very first thing you say in D2 is 'I'm recalibrating my reads.'

Reading reading reading

Dunn is like nullscum for me I keep getting weird tone reads off his posts but I can't point to anything specific enough to make a coherent argument for it

I think Bulges lash out on pg 39 was hella town not sure what that means for Ari's alignment yet

so ya consider my vote essentially on Dunn but I want to wait a bit here I am a little spooked by lack of counter like Titus said and wagon comp

You call dunn nullscum, and as the day progresses you get significantly more vocal about asking them to act town but never actually vote there. You defend bulge and, just as Ive been saying mafia should, you immediately enter survivalism mode and begin upping your play and then sink back into the abyss once people start pushing your rather naked vote on me.

VOTE: SirCakez
E-2?

Since I was never convinced

cakez

is scum, I think this is very weak evidence to want to compromise on eliminating someone.

I’m re-reading Alisae’s ISO from since I replaced in and I’m a little confused on who they even wanted to vote out next. I assume in a game state like this you night kill people who want to vote you out?

idk, this feels like it might be feigned, i think there's good reason without this that suggest

ali

is an ideal NK target.

Pisskop can you explain why you would have night killed Alisae

this has yet to go anywhere.

[Taly]

pisskop

has been working with me despite my suspicion of them, i feel like mafia would more survivalistically pivot against me in this scenario rather than stick to the

"lurkers have scum / should be policy"

that he has more so presented.

im currently thinking

pisskop

can get a pass this dayphase, as I feel D1 interactions point much more to

theta

as a partner, especially in the context of that

Ari V Bulge

1v1 and

Enchant/Wheme

TvT TMI theory.

we might just win if we get 3 more votes on

red