Open 895 - 09:12 PM - Postgame

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VOTE: Elements

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VOTE: claptastik
I like your name

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daang, sniped by elements

VOTE: black

Ngl, I was refreshing the page until I saw the pm notification

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VOTE: black

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E-2

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Hello again.

VOTE: Cook punishment for not being first post.

Quick vote black!
You can unvote immediately after

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VOTE: Black

alright elements you can have your E-1

<3

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VOTE: cook

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good grief i'm being wagoned already we're not even through RVS

Some games you can just tell if someone's red team ya know?

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That was madness

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I'm just gonna chill day 1, DONT eliminate me.

You can't tell me what to do!
VOTE: gob

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Elements, are you always this chaotic at the beginning of a game? Does it continue?

Yes
Not usually past the first few irl days of day 1

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elements and ccs are the second generation of not_mafia on this site

I'm gonna need a moment to decide how I feel about this

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Honestly limming me here might be the most optimal play

Because I am town, and if the mafia knew my capabilities they would know I win here if left alive for more than 1 day as town. So mafia should kill me tonight.

Therefore the most optimal thing for me to do is die and give info on my way out, since I can give more info being the mislim than I can being NK'd.

What do you all think?

Most town indicative post so far this game
UNVOTE:

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self vote in the meantime

I've done that already
I need a new wagon
VOTE: Mizuki

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@mod

I'll be v/la on the 4th, 5th, 6th

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Gob is just town here

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Sure, but you're just town

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gob is too much of a loose cannon for me to gauge accurately

currently i'd vote him on policy

Got any thoughts on clap?

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What are your thoughts on me?

Idk, I'm asking so I can steal them

[Elements]

What are your thoughts on me?

Idk, I'm asking so I can steal them

oh so

you're

the thoughtstealer that keeps stealing my thoughts

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VOTE: Elements

Why am I red team?

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Fair

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If they're a bad player it's cool. Fact is that d1 lims don't hit scum any better than random chance. So, taking out a person who's junking up the thread and will be difficult to read later is logical if no one is particularly scummy.

And you think I'm a better target in that scenario than gob?

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Elements seems to get limmed Day 1 often.

I get limmed day 2 often
I get waggoned day 1 most games

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Trying to stick my neck out for you Elements and you go and call me bad.

Youre donezo

I don't want you voted out either

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VOTE: elements
E-1

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Just don't vote me and it's not a problem

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UNVOTE: Elements

Stuff happening now

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Reading Elements is impossible

Thank you
But is it?
Day 1 maybe
I go a bit mad day 1

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I refuse to play into what Elements wants here, which is to be limmed

I don't want to be limmed

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Why were you voting me in the first place again gob?

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Why were you voting me in the first place again gob?

What is the purpose of this question?

So I can say why every vote on me is bad and that it's a bad wagon

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@Kyouko

you read a bunch of my games, do I calm down when it's not day 1?

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VOTE: cook

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UNVOTE:

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I think gob has jumped to my top scumread except whoever I'm voting atm

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VOTE: D&D
I feel like these two haven't had much discourse around them

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I think gob has jumped to my top scumread except whoever I'm voting atm

VOTE: D&D
I feel like these two haven't had much discourse around them

This feels like a weird progression

246 was clearly a reference to 242

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Black could be mafia here

i also read black as mafia. the naked vote changes aren't really doing her any favors

Is this because naked vote changes are scummy or because they're scummy for black?

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first one

I do them all the time as town

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@gamma you feel like you're posting less than usual, is this because you're putting a lot of your thoughts in the hydra chat rather than straigh here?

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Town
Gob/Clap/Black

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VOTE: D&D

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Clearly just a Gob/D&D team and gob is refusing to bus day 1 in a micro

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Clearly just a Gob/D&D team and gob is refusing to bus day 1 in a micro

This is my tinfoil theory. I have doubts because I townread gob individually but maybe I'm wrong there

I also tr gob individually
I think a good test would be flipping D&D

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Kyouko do you not like either of the current wagons?

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I'll have time to read properly catch up tomorrow so can give y'all reads then
I forgot I was already voting D&D when I revoted

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@Elements, what was the point of your revote in 342? You were already voting the hydra. It actually feels kinda scummy to me there after Clap switched votes and Black expressed interest in voting D&D.

Do you actually think it feels scummy or is it just unexpected and you dont understand it?
Clap switches a vote and Black expresses interest then I revote
What's the scum motivation?
Making Black think there's more interest in the wagon than there actually is? Making Black not change vote yet because "there's 2 more votes on D&D now and it's a micro"?

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I would like to lim Kyouko everyone. I have yet to find a better option.

Who is with me? Kyouko, if youre town here just take the mislim

I like you gob but I don't see your case on Kyouko. Black's response to you on the last page was pretty accurate.

Sometimes we must let go of our pride and do what is requested of us…

You should vote the hydra

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I'm really not satisfied with shaddow's "catch-up"

It's like prying teeth trying to get anything out of him and when he's finally at his PC he gives us next to nothing

I'm just getting the vibe that maybe he's trying to coast through the day and not say much. There's questions in his ISO but I'm not getting the sense that he's all that interested in finding scum

Yep. I'd rather vote shaddow than D&D, but that push didn't go anywhere.

It looks like you, me, and gob are willing to vote there

Not sure about the rest

I could vote there, I'd prefer D&D or Kyouko atm but I need to have another look at Kyouko

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I keep forgetting we've got 4 days still

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VOTE: Kyouko

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VOTE: Kyouko

Did you have another look?

Not yet, but gob told me to move my vote

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How does that matter, unless D&D and myself are both scum, and the third quick hammers?

Is this a town!slip?

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bloop

why are you still voting me?

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VOTE: Kyouko

Did you have another look?

I've had a look now and refimmed my feeling that Kyouko feels different than the last 9:12 game

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also reminded myself why cook got to e-1 in the first place

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Bloop

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Pedit: funny, I was thinking the same thing about you

fair, but I'd say last game is more atypical of my normal play

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I do like seeing Black unvote rather than letting the wagon get rushed through.

do you think it's a particulalrly town thing for Black to do?

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Town
Gob/Clap/Black

These havn't changed
Cook I guess can get a pass for today seeing as on one else will want to vote there
But I can get behind a wagon on anyone else

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Intent

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watch this flip vt

who do you want to vote?

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kyo or doc

vote kyo with me and Gob then

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that would end the day

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why weren't you on it before?

I prefer kyo or doc

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it also kinda just appeared
there wasn't much time for me to join if I wanted to

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why weren't you on it before?

I prefer kyo or doc

why declare intent then?

see how people react
I declare intent on most e-1 wagons I'm not on

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Kinda just want to fade shaddow after this little stunt by Elements?

moreso than Doc?

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shaddow/Elements has equity

if shadow flips scum I get cleared in the night so eh

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Bloop

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shaddow/Elements has equity

if shadow flips scum I get cleared in the night so eh

What do you mean?

If I have good partner equity with Shadow, if shadow flips scum I'd assume a PR would invest/block me in the night

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kyo or doc

I'll also follow you to doc

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Elements why did you declare intent if you were just going to try and rally everyone to a different wagon right after?

There was 8 hours between me saying intent and me asking someone who isn't on the wagon who they'd rather be eliminated

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Why is Cook no voting anyone is a better question

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It seems strange that that's all it took for you to be like "ok lets wagon someone else then"

Does it?
Does it really?

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nothing was happening so I thought I'd give intent as it might make something happen
the only thing that hapened was cook said she thought shadow would flip vt yet isn't voting anyone
by the fact my vote has never? been on shadow i think it's fair to see I'd prefer a doc or kyo lim so why would I not push for one of those now the oppertunity has presented itself?

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why weren't you on it before?

I prefer kyo or doc

why declare intent then?

see how people react
I declare intent on most e-1 wagons I'm not on

This doesn't really track because you didn't even wait for people's reactions before you moved on

I waited 8 hours
and nothing happened

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I'm inpatient

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I do think this whole thing means I can only be scum with Shadow

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524 feels like you know shaddow will flip town and you think you can avoid getting targeted by a PR after he flips

That's not what it is, but sure

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My reads havn't changed since last time I posted them

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I do think this whole thing means I can only be scum with Shadow

Wrong

I just hammer as scum and no one bats an eyelid

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I do think this whole thing means I can only be scum with Shadow

Wrong

In fact I'm thinking that he's probably just town and you're spewing him as town here

524 feels like you know shaddow will flip town and you think you can avoid getting targeted by a PR after he flips

VOTE: Elements

Someone wagon this with me

So I no longer have partner equity with shadow?

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Why is Cook no voting anyone is a better question

Exactly what I was thinking. The speculation that shaddow flips VT, along with no vote out, is scummy af.

Why is not voting scummy

Why is giving intent to hammer then changing your mind scummy?

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Bloop

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Why is it scummy to not want to vote out a vt?

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Why is it scummy to not want to vote out a vt?

If you are scum then you would rather vote out a PR, or at least make one claim

If you're town you'd rather vote out scum, or make one fake claim

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Reading Elements is impossible

Dw gang
Black knows what she's doing

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Nah, too much effort for me

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I'm not sure about shaddow. I still wouldn't mind going here but my current paranoia is directed at Elements and that makes me think she's spewing shaddow as town

If I'm scum, shadow is town

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I'm not sure about shaddow. I still wouldn't mind going here but my current paranoia is directed at Elements and that makes me think she's spewing shaddow as town

If I'm scum, shadow is town

I don't but the vt/ pr argument, but this kind of paying is scummy.

Idk if it's scummy, but it's emotional and just bad

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Yikes

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Sorry for throwing so hard I guess?

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They almost seem like they're trying to be nullread.

I always try to be null read day 1

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Why is there so much resistance to the Kyo wagon?

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Maybe, I'm not very good at doing "town" things

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Day 1 yes

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no

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me and shadow are both e-1

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wait no, I'm e-2

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Gob what happened to you not wanting to lim elements on d1?

i dont care who dies day1 frankly

Then why have you not voted shadow?

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shaddowez seems good lets go to elemental everyone

Shadow seems good, let's go kyo

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Bloop

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South side of null

In curious what town pings you have gotten from her

249 - starts activity on Doc
304 & 306 - defends you against cook's charge of naked vote changes
338 - gives me a town read when I have 3 votes on me IIRC. Also town reads you and gob. Limiting mislim options = town pings.
358 - puts out a theory which you then say you've considered yourself. That should be a town ping to you.
366, 463 - trying to get a kyouko wagon going when there are other, easier mislim opportunities. Or are you going to say that she must think kyouko is a PR?
471 - points out a possible town slip by shaddowez
511 - still trying to get votes on kyouko

There's more, but that should be enough to at least get you thinking.

Not much has changed since the above, although I do find the disappearance at end of day a little concerning.

This post was about me? Drew was asking about Kyo?

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Bloop

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Elements, can you hammer this?

I can
I'd still prefer kyo

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Elements, can you hammer this?

I can
I'd still prefer kyo

I've heard kyo's name a zillion times but it never gains traction. It's apparently not happening today.

Join us

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i think this is VT but whatever need to kill someone today

If so, are there scum on the wagon? Who?

I feel like gob/shaddowez could be the solution, that's part of why I want shaddowez faded. If shaddowez flips red it's game over.

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Cook or Gob?
I'm thinking Gob

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Rolecop or strongman
If strong-man we won't know
If rolecop someone might know but that's not important right now

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This kill feels like killing the most townread player

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Who was roleblocked

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Ima hopefully read through the game in 4ish hours time

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Still down for Elements too.

Why am I red again?

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How is talking about who was rolevlocked pr fishing?

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I do think this whole thing means I can only be scum with Shadow

Terrible argument trying to clear herself

Reading Elements is impossible

Dw gang
Black knows what she's doing

Cute discredit trying to undermine my push

I'm not sure about shaddow. I still wouldn't mind going here but my current paranoia is directed at Elements and that makes me think she's spewing shaddow as town

If I'm scum, shadow is town

Yep

Yikes

Sorry for throwing so hard I guess?

Bad AtE

Gob what happened to you not wanting to lim elements on d1?

i dont care who dies day1 frankly

Then why have you not voted shadow?

Trying to get gob on shaddow when your wagons were neck and neck

Who was roleblocked

PR fishing

VOTE: Elements

And none of this can come from annoyed town because....

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Because VTs don't know if they are blocked, so you are literally asking any remaining PRs to reveal if they got blocked or not

Execpt I'm not

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And none of this can come from annoyed town because....

Because you're scum

That's an incredibly blinkered answer
You sound like you don't care about my alignment you just want me gone
VOTE: Black
Yesterday you said it was impossible to read me, then formed a read on me, which you are carrying through into today without looking at anything else.
Not that it means much but I think Clap was the biggest reason I wasn't the lim yesterday

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What was the purpose of the question then?

It wasn't a question, I was telling gob what my first post was about when he responded to it with a ?

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Nice OMGUS

Yes, that is what you're doing.
You're pointing to bad and emotional things I've done and saying "look! Scum!"

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What was the purpose of the question then?

It wasn't a question, I was telling gob what my first post was about when he responded to it with a ?

Ok I see. I still think speculating about who was blocked is scummy

Oh

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Bloop

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And none of this can come from annoyed town because....

Because you're scum

Where do you go when I flip town?

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gtmh cook/black

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gtmh cook/black

Weird

I was sitting here trying to figure out why you're addressing Black like she's town just a few posts after voting her, I thought maybe you'd changed your mind after she said she'd misunderstood your 689, but then with this it just doesn't make sense.

Seems like you think Black is town, but you're saying your solve is cook/Black

where am I talking to Black like I think she's tonw?

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i'm back to favoring elements for elim today

VOTE: Elements

is this still your soul read?

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gtmh cook/black

I'm paranoid about Cook too actually

You jumping on me the moment clap dies isn't a good look on you
712 you said the only reason you didn't gun for me yesturday was because of Clap. Now he's flipped town you're completely ignoring the read on me

148 is one of the things that's making me look at black/cook posibilities
Black fake e-1-ing, knowing it's safe. Whateve Gob does, either "hammering" or not voting she can react to in the way she did "haha i didn't think you would" and Cook's reaction can easiliy be scum wanting to seem town in twighnight or even they could have planned the whole thing in the hood (although I'm kinda losing faith in the panned idea as I'm typing it)
After the fake hammer the next few times Black mentions Cook she talks about the faking it theory and how she's paranoid about it 166, 173. 326
There's also some shading of cook yet still towing her 213,298

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i'm back to favoring elements for elim today

VOTE: Elements

is this still your soul read?

not anymore, now it's based on your fishing for info

What do you make of the fact Black has just been pushing me hard?

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All of Day 1 Cook has Black as one of her top scum reads yet never votes there and never pushes there

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you seem to be scumreading me solely on the basis that i could be an easy miselimination with what you're claiming are strong associatives to a practically untouchable player

yet you're not seeing black pushing an incredibly easy to mislim player now the only person that was defending me is dead?

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i have to wonder why, though? not as though you can't kill black

don't omgus me

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Bloop

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supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Pedit: Elements stole my pagetop VC

sorry....

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you seem to be scumreading me solely on the basis that i could be an easy miselimination with what you're claiming are strong associatives to a practically untouchable player

i'm seeing that as then an easy way to discredit black and push for lim there

also, how are you an easy mislim?
most people were and afaik still are of the opinion your reaciton to the e-1 hammer was genuine and towning you for it
sure there have been discussions about it being faked but until just now I can't recall any push on you since then

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i have to wonder why, though? not as though you can't kill black

don't omgus me

don't look for omgus where your vote isn't

you literally said "not as though you can't kill black"
it doesn't get more omgus than that

i'm back to favoring elements for elim today

VOTE: Elements

is this still your soul read?

not anymore, now it's based on your fishing for info

What do you make of the fact Black has just been pushing me hard?

i make of it three potential realities:
1. black can't read you and is employing her standard repertoire of strategies (cross-examining) to determine what you are
2. black knows you're town and is shitpushing to distract from a deepwolf/lurker (doc and drew, maybe?)
3. black rolecopped you and found you as rolecop

now who's rolefishing

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supercalifragilisticexpialidocious

Pedit: Elements stole my pagetop VC

can't steal a pagetop from elements, they're the pagetop monarch

*bows*

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I have never asked for a claim

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ooo it's my cake day!

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town doesn't respond to omgus by omgus though??

What???

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i think this is VT but whatever need to kill someone today

If so, are there scum on the wagon? Who?

I feel like gob/shaddowez could be the solution, that's part of why I want shaddowez faded. If shaddowez flips red it's game over.

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Cook or Gob?
I'm thinking Gob

HUH?

Who was roleblocked

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shaddowez (EXECUTED):

Claptastik

, Doc and Drew, Mizuki, Black, Cook[/area]
Not shadow: Elements, Gob, Kyouko

D&D - I have too many people I think could be scum this game (I went through these in reverse order)
Mizuki - Really seems like just going with the wagon? I do that a lot as town day 1 but could easily be disinterested scum
Black - Everyone pushing for a shadow lim then black tries to switch momentum to me, (fully aware I'm looking thought scum!black glasses atm) but I can very mush see this as a way to try and get a differnt mislim through with pre-existing support for a second one today. Then goes back to shadow after my wagon didn't get enough traction
Cook - Vote progression went from me for 90% of the game to unvote, to voting me when Black - Cook's biggest scum read - started pushing me - then hammer. Very vote friendly with Black despite apparently scumming the slot. Makes me think it was never a real read. The hammer itself iI don't think is AI, either scum thinking "sure I can be patient and hammer the mislim" or town wanting to get a flip through.

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VOTE: Doc and Drew
Gamma, do something

VOTE: Doc and Drew
Seconded

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VOTE: Doc and Drew

Gamma, do something

Do you want my specific input on something?
I was going to say I have doubts about how strong the rolefishing point is but Elements trying to use it to deflect makes any skepticism I can muster feel hollow.
-Drew

What am I using to deflect what exactly?

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If Elements flips town then Kyouko is 100% mafia just keep that in mind.

Do you have any reason for this, or are you just saying things?

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I disagree with your nka

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UNVOTE:
Don't think Gamma's lack of engaging is ai

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What changed your read on me?
You seemed pretty adamant about all the scummy things I'd said

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I think there's two scum in {D&D, Cook, Mizuki}

Follow my lead here just this once, i have the game wrapped up theoretically

Thouroghly dislike this post

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I'm not, I'm telling everyone else

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I'm not, I'm telling everyone else

then dont quote me

Last time I didn't quote you people thought I was role fishing

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VOTE: cook

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If Cook flips scum we need to take a serious look at gob. Calling himself and Cook conftown in 164 will look really bad in hindsight

I'm not liking gob at all this pase so far

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*phase

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Let us focus on ele/kyo

Do you have reads on either of other besides "props one scum off wagon"?

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Let us focus on ele/kyo

Do you have reads on either of other besides "props one scum off wagon"?

Not right now. Thats just where im gonna start. I haven't done any solving besides those 2 PoE.

Dope, I'll wait for that

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Gob
If both red were on the Shadow wagon who do they kill off wagon?
Kyouko or Elements - both of us were possible counter wagons so potentialyl mislimable
So probably you?

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Was anyone not towning clap at the end of day 1?

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Elements what is your actual read on Black at the moment?

Not sure, I'll look later

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I'm not really sure why everyone is allergic to Elements/Kyoko

Especially Kyouko.

I'm happy to vote kyouko
Given the severe resistance to her wagon yesterday

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VOTE: Kyouko

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In 729 - "where do you go when I flip town" implies you think Black is solving

I disagree?
Asking that quesion of anyone can let you see if they're trying to think flexibly or not. It was a question to get a reaction and see how Black is treating my slot. As she's since reconsidered her stance on me it's not important anymore
also, do you never quesiton people you're in 1v1s with?

I didn't answer at the time because I wanted to wait for Black to respond to my question first, then I forgot about it so thatnks for reminding me Mizuki

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good news i am nearly well again. i suppose i have some rapid fire catchup to do

When your done can you give a gth guess along with however else you're planning to give reads?

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Elements I lean scum on. I don't see an indication that they're out of their scumrange and I was able to read them on D1 last game. They're too different here from the last run of the setup. Idk if they're going to become more readable, but if they do and are town, I think I'll be able to tell.

Is there any more to your scumlean on me than this?

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Its pretty impossible for ele and kyo to both not be mafia. Highly unlikely

Why?

Gobs theory of the kill being on wagon

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With all this said, one look at Element's early day 1 makes me wanna lim them over Kyouko

Isn't that just like, all my day ones though

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Dam it gob, just when people were staring to listen to you

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After like six years without playing, that's a very fun game to catch-up and replace into

no huge walls at all!

So what ya thinkin'

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Not a fan of how slow this is.

do something to pase it up then

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have people stopped SRing me yet

no

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Elements is being prodded.

just as I'm working on a post, classic

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I'm working on a post

I'm working though people's iso's ctrl+f ing everyone's names
I've gone through Titus (black) and Drew's so far and they both seem pretty towny but I need to sleep becasue work and I keep getting distracted so it's taking me ages to get it done

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Elements is being prodded.

just as I'm working on a post, classic

I'm working on a post

I'm working though people's iso's ctrl+f ing everyone's names
I've gone through Titus (black) and Drew's so far and they both seem pretty towny but I need to sleep becasue work and I keep getting distracted so it's taking me ages to get it done

Up to this point I was hard parking you as a town slot, now hmmmmmmm ok. Maybe because it’s Christmas and you just forgot.

I haven't had a chance to finish yet, I've had work and now I'm in a murder mystery dinner

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The deadline freezing probably hasn't helped my sense of urgency on that one

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Hey look

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Bloop

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My theory is the triangle of voters in the last vc are all town.

Can i get you to VOTE: Cook then?

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If we vote Cook out we don't need to wait for a replacement...

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Jackson if you're town you might want to do things asap

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Jackson if you're town you might want to do things asap

This Cook wagon seems like it came on quickly, not sure I like the timing of it.

Please elaborate

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Who did knott replace?

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Jackson if you're town you might want to do things asap

This Cook wagon seems like it came on quickly, not sure I like the timing of it.

Please elaborate

Eod, during a holiday where people are MIA.....now especially with a repp in.

Seems very convenient for a mis lim to be pushed though.

Who are the scum pushing it?

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Mizuki

Yea I could go there
Miz and cook are where I want to vote today

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It was meant to be cheeky rather than aggressive

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VOTE: Knott

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Clap wasn't eliminated

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Before I start reading the game beyond page 1 and somewhat of the current gamestate, I believe Elements to be very forced and like they're appealing to what a "townie would be doing". The whole "you might wanna do things asap" screamed bad vibes immediately out of the game of which I of course responded to, then the whole statement of E-2 on page one shows that it's probably a consistent thing throughout the whole game so I will wait to see if others have noticed and called out this same thing

It's a playstyle thing
At least one player says this every game I'm in

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El is reading the same as Cook, Flippant and Curt. Might be a scum PT thing going on ……

I don't believe this us a real thought

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Bloop

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VOTE: Elements

Just not what I have experienced in the past, limited as it is. But not the elements I have played recently.

Do we have any completed games together?

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I Do

If you actually do, why not vote cook/JV which is a much more likely lim?

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I wanted to lim JV more than knott, but after this my stance on that has changed

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VOTE: Elements

Just not what I have experienced in the past, limited as it is. But not the elements I have played recently.

Do we have any completed games together?

it's still ongoing but you've been limmed and flipped VT. So you don't line up with the Elements in that game. I'm more convinced now that you are not playing in the same way.

Of course I can't go into more detail as it's ongoing

That's coz it's a large

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I Do

If you actually do, why not vote cook/JV which is a much more likely lim?

I'd prefer to lim you.

Then why aren't you trying to persuade anyone given how little time is left?

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I'm likely not going to be around for the deadline

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I haven’t read further than page 10 but I don’t like Black and Titus repped black so I’d rather that than Elements

VOTE: Titus

At the start of day 2 Black came in very aggressively pushing me, I put up a fight and she looked again at the game and did almost a 180. I don't think she does that as red team

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Not sure, I am not happy with either of their play. Titus has done nothing since subbing in and I had some small doubts doubts about the slot, nothing major but it’s been exasperated by her lack of input. Elements is not Vibing well at all. Her play doesn’t strike me as centered or considered, almost as if she has a suicide wish and doesn’t care about the gam. She’s aggressive, and completed divorced from any thing that looks slightly like scum hunting

Yet another player thay has no idea how to read me

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Seems I don’t have too. You are playing a completely different game and you are not coming across to me as town. You should be limmed. Take a seat and enjoy the rest

It's not even a good push
It's a meta read based off day 1 from 1 game
And you were supposedly "hard town reading" me before the 25th. That's such a weak reason to push me. It's like you're looking for something to say because you want to push me, not that you've looked at me, had thoughts and decided I'm red team

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VOTE: ElementsI am gonna go with Gobs thinking(RIP) and follow him to Elements, well follow in spirit I guess lol.

And you think I'm more likely red than kyo despite the severe lack of getting anyone to vote her day 1 because....

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Turns out I'll probably be here for deadline