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I played few newbie games in 2019 ( was rown in all of them) and then i didnt play for bunch of years, came back this September and was town in all games i played since my return
The middle 3 i got bored before putting thought into so they're mostly meaningless
Gamma I don't remember ever starting a day 1 like this
Drew I can't rmemeber why I put there
Celebloki see 27
Roden being so blase with coming in with a vote then dissappearing feels like disinterested town
That Roden read could be one of the worst reads I've ever seen
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Post #102 (isolation #10) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:02 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 92, ActionDan wrote:
I suppose I can't speak for what the intent was but considering my own feelings I ascribed a measure of assessment that Naerys was town from it.
Yep, I'm saying that I think Naerys is probably town because I believe the "I have never rolled scum" line.
Unfortunately those two responses don't convey that I have a town read on them, so I thought I would kill two birds with one stone with six simple letters!
I don't think your read on me here is particularly scummy but I'll let you know that it's very wrong, the whole exchange from me is extremely generic and NAI.
In post 98, Vanderscamp wrote:
That Roden read could be one of the worst reads I've ever seen
Thank you
Idk what else to say about it, unlike Gamma's that read seems actively scummy since I have no idea how anyone could come to that conclusion.
Why is posting a meta vote and then bailing towny?
I would think it should be the reverse unless there's some specific meta.
Unfortunately those two responses don't convey that I have a town read on them, so I thought I would kill two birds with one stone with six simple letters!
Not a fan of this, but I think it's more of a posting style thing
Yeah I think sparing a couple more words would’ve been better in this instance
In post 98, Vanderscamp wrote:
That Roden read could be one of the worst reads I've ever seen
Thank you
Idk what else to say about it, unlike Gamma's that read seems actively scummy since I have no idea how anyone could come to that conclusion.
Why is posting a meta vote and then bailing towny?
I would think it should be the reverse unless there's some specific meta.
I don't understand what any of this means
Roden made literally one meta vote and then bailed.
I don't see how that is towny in any way, why couldn't they be disinterested scum?
Your read IMO is either awful or TMI, unless you have some history with Roden to make you think they only do nothing as town or something.
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Post #113 (isolation #15) » Mon Nov 13, 2023 12:16 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 111, Gamma Emerald wrote:
For what I thought was a simple acknowledgment yes
For saying you think Naerys is town, more were likely deserved. And I’m not the only one to say so.
In post 98, Vanderscamp wrote:
That Roden read could be one of the worst reads I've ever seen
Thank you
Idk what else to say about it, unlike Gamma's that read seems actively scummy since I have no idea how anyone could come to that conclusion.
Why is posting a meta vote and then bailing towny?
I would think it should be the reverse unless there's some specific meta.
I agree with you that it is a head scratching take from Elements, but why would it be scummy as well?
And don't worry Elements, I will justify my placement way down on your reads list lickity split.
In post 98, Vanderscamp wrote:
That Roden read could be one of the worst reads I've ever seen
Thank you
Idk what else to say about it, unlike Gamma's that read seems actively scummy since I have no idea how anyone could come to that conclusion.
Why is posting a meta vote and then bailing towny?
I would think it should be the reverse unless there's some specific meta.
I don't understand what any of this means
Roden made literally one meta vote and then bailed.
I don't see how that is towny in any way, why couldn't they be disinterested scum?
Your read IMO is either awful or TMI, unless you have some history with Roden to make you think they only do nothing as town or something.
Why do you keep saying it's a meta vote?
"Meta vote" to me means a vote that was based on factors outside of the current game.
Looker - actively pushing the game forward, I think this is townie
LEAN TOWN
Elements - posting a lot but not too spammy, seems to contribute enough
ActionDan, Gamma, Doctor Drew - generically townie on vibes
NULL/NEUTRAL
Flavor Leaf - I don't know how to read FL early
Random Nurse - silent, getting replaced
WhemeStar - why are we running this up?
Celebloki, Roden, Naerys - idk
LEAN SCUM
Vanderscamp - seems quite erratic and a bit unnatural
SCUM
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VOTE: Vanderscamp
This is another strange list of reads and I'm not saying this because you're voting me.
I think having Looker as town for generic tone is reasonable but when you posted this he'd posted mostly irrelevant stuff to the game with his only "content" post being asking you a question.
Saying he's "actively pushing the game forward" is pretty odd.
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Post #187 (isolation #26) » Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:48 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
Elements/kitty are my two scum regardless of this flip, and my town read is whoever said the thing about never rolling scum, I don't remember who that was.
In post 221, Elements wrote:
hey gang
have things to do so can't stop by for long
seeing as no one got shot i thought it would be good to let you know I've been vannilaised
I was a novice inventor
Good Vanillaize if scum. Bad if town did it.
Vanillaize me next scum.
Elements is probably town since scum probably was behind it
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Post #336 (isolation #34) » Sat Nov 18, 2023 11:55 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 299, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In Blood Utopia, i had Roden as objectively scum when they made a specific action in the way they tried to pivot the game, and then they were able to turn me into town reading them when I called them out with solid logic.
And by the time of my death, I had every single scum called out as scum EXCEPT for Roden slot even after Hu Tao replaced in.
In DragonEater’s game, Hu Tao even said specifically that I mainly town read Hu Tao because of Roden as well.
So I don’t see low effort lol wagoning as scum Roden, especially after they had some stank with the Drew comments Day 1.
In post 299, Flavor Leaf wrote:
In Blood Utopia, i had Roden as objectively scum when they made a specific action in the way they tried to pivot the game, and then they were able to turn me into town reading them when I called them out with solid logic.
And by the time of my death, I had every single scum called out as scum EXCEPT for Roden slot even after Hu Tao replaced in.
In DragonEater’s game, Hu Tao even said specifically that I mainly town read Hu Tao because of Roden as well.
So I don’t see low effort lol wagoning as scum Roden, especially after they had some stank with the Drew comments Day 1.
I don’t feel like this argument is very good. It feels like you assume Roden would stick to the same general scum gameplan. My gut reaction is “this would be exactly what Roden would want you to sey if he’s scum”.
In post 313, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Oh wait I’m a dumbass for some reason I thought Kitty replaced RN
see these wild topic shifts are the fucking death of me. I made a fucking mod error in the last game I ran because of shit like this.
In post 302, Flavor Leaf wrote:
I didn’t expect to get sheeped so hard on Kitty, but I do expect scum hopped on, especially if Kitty is scum.
And frankly, I hate to use this, and I won’t actually use it as a reason, I’ll find more over time, but RN replacing out this early like that is scum indicative on a meta level.
Town RN is aggressive.
Scum RN is passive or fake aggression.
Like you shift from talking about kitty to talking about RN, who yessiree replaced, with NO segue. This whiplash could cause lasting neck injuries.
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Post #363 (isolation #40) » Sun Nov 19, 2023 10:10 am
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 346, KittyTacky wrote:
"He's putting in more effort so he must be scum because he puts in more effort as scum" is a fallacious 'tell'. Maybe I'm taking this game more seriously.
Is it fallacious or just annoying from your perspective?
In post 266, Naerys wrote:
VOTE: Doctor Drew
i can see Drew and Vanderscamp as buddies
Without any other context this loojs like you selected two random names that participated in wheme/kitty wagons. Vander isn't even on the kitty wagon. Please elaborate
Drew´s position on wagons is pretty bad, in my opinion. Also his comments like "hopefully this will gain me some townie points" are suspicious. Overall this Drew does not feel like he is solving at all.
When it comes to Vander, the fact he was not at that point on kitty wagon was exactly reason i suspect him. While Drew remained on the same place in 2 wagons, i believe the other 2 scums switched their places. I need to think about, who the 3rd scum might be, but Drew+Vander feel like solid suspects to me.
I hadn't posted in the thread at all at that point, and when I did, I joined the kitty wagon.
Do you still feel like I'm a solid suspect for that reason?
In post 373, Vanderscamp wrote:
I don't understand why we're moving from the kitty wagon, I don't find anything they've said recently towny.
I also think Naerys' posts today are very bad.
If we're moving wagons I would rather go there.
I think it’s a mix of AtE/meta, where I personally haven’t ever seen Kitty fight like that to stay alive, as either alignment.
When they’re caught, and pressured that hard, they normally come in awkward and still go down, where here, I think they made a connection to some people, and AtE was in fact pretty strong.
But I understand why some wouldn’t buy it, it just felt like others needed more to end up limming Kitty, and if Kitty is scum, they did enough to avoid getting the required votes on them.
I will say, though, if Kitty is town, scum moving off of Kitty after Kitty claimed VT is highly likely.
I agree with that last part, the move off of Kitty felt very inorganic.
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Post #397 (isolation #45) » Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:34 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
In post 389, Gamma Emerald wrote:
UNVOTE: Roden
His Kitty hop-off actually feels towny with how much his sngle feels like it changes. I agree with Drew the AtE feels mediocre but I think scum!Roden would be more worried about the optics than he is here
Potential scenario:
Roden is scum and part of a big wagon on townKitty.
Kitty makes a very very mild ATE post that Roden knows is genuine because Roden knows Kitty is town.
Roden is worried that he would look bad for continuing to stay on the wagon after an ATE post, which is more relevant and obviously real to Roden because he has TMI to know that it's real.
He moves away.
Why is that not a scenario?
Because that was the vibe I got from Roden giving that read.
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Post #401 (isolation #46) » Sun Nov 19, 2023 12:38 pm
Postby Vanderscamp »
If Flavor Leaf is scum he's an incredibly baller scum.
The combination of confidence and pushing reads, while not pushing them in a way that is IMO designed to be especially convincing or towny, screams to me that his thoughts are all genuine.
In post 422, ActionDan wrote:
I just want you to know FL, that I absolutely caught that crumb, signaling town investigative.
Good crumb though. Not that I had much doubt but this further means naerys less lilely to be scum eliminating them as killer / vanillaizer.
I agree with your list minus Kitty / Celebloki. There are things in Kitty's response that continue to be objectively untrue, for example their disposition on looker. I can classify their other opinions re: contributions/ good and bad vibes as subjective opinions but it isn't quite fitting into place just yet.
I was of the opinion that drew was nominally towny. I'll revisit.
Yeah, I wouldnt have claimed, but I wanted to explain my progression overall this game. I think there's a chance Kitty could have done this as scum, but it was enough for me to be okay changing wagons. Wasn't ready for day to end yet.
Noting your Drew read, though. Drew and I get in paranoia feuds a decent amount, so it's possible.
It's not clear to me what "this" Is that would have been hard to fake.
I'm not tunneled on Kitty being super scummy but I continue to dislike their reads and general slot and think it's pretty dangerous to write them off based on comments/interactions from the wagon.
In post 346, KittyTacky wrote:
"He's putting in more effort so he must be scum because he puts in more effort as scum" is a fallacious 'tell'. Maybe I'm taking this game more seriously.
Is it fallacious or just annoying from your perspective?
Yes it's fallacious. What if I decide I am putting in more effort as town?
Than putting in more effort as scum would not be your meta.
Fallacy doesn't mean anything that could possibly be wrong.
In post 429, Vanderscamp wrote:
VOTE: Roden for what I feel might have been TMI about ATE
Walk me through this one
When you made post #332 I did not agree with you that anything Kitty said was town-indicative.
What Kitty said wasn't overly scummy or anything but it was probably one of the least town-indicative ATEs I've ever seen and I think you got a Kitty town read too easily.
In post 427, Vanderscamp wrote:
Don't know, not especially, but it's a genuine question.
I dislike Gamma's reads and don't think they've been overtly towny.
Feels kinda weird this is only coming up now when Drew has said he townreads and wants to sheep me from daystart
In post 429, Vanderscamp wrote:
VOTE: Roden for what I feel might have been TMI about ATE
Walk me through this one
When you made post #332 I did not agree with you that anything Kitty said was town-indicative.
What Kitty said wasn't overly scummy or anything but it was probably one of the least town-indicative ATEs I've ever seen and I think you got a Kitty town read too easily.
If the AtE is that bad and ineffective then why do you think I jump off the wagon as scum
That seems kind of incongruent
Because from your scum pov you would know it's real
In post 429, Vanderscamp wrote:
VOTE: Roden for what I feel might have been TMI about ATE
Walk me through this one
When you made post #332 I did not agree with you that anything Kitty said was town-indicative.
What Kitty said wasn't overly scummy or anything but it was probably one of the least town-indicative ATEs I've ever seen and I think you got a Kitty town read too easily.
If the AtE is that bad and ineffective then why do you think I jump off the wagon as scum
That seems kind of incongruent
Because from your scum pov you would know it's real
That's my point
Your point is bad if your argument is "you're scum because you're scum"
Luckily that isn't my argument!
My argument is that I think your read is fake.
Scum have an easier time reading things as genuine if they have a pov of knowing that it is genuine beforehand.
But I think you know this and are just trying to discredit my argument, maybe other people can weigh in on whether my phrasing was unclear enough that anyone thought "you're scum because you're scum" is what I was saying.
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Post #554 (isolation #59) » Wed Nov 22, 2023 2:11 am
Postby Vanderscamp »
Like I have a read that Roden is scum for reading kitty's ATE as town too easily.
The gist of this read should have been super clear, even if it's wrong. I definitely think the read could be wrong! But I feel like Roden is trying way too hard to paint this as some kind of ridiculous stance on my part.
